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Seat of Commonwealth Senate, Baltimore, Maryland

"It is done, then." Senator Naomi Crandle said, staring at the ceiling of the conference room. "Florida has been secured."

"Risban's invasion provided us the opportunity to take over the state with minimal diplomatic nuisances," her long time friend, Senator John Kasahama, said. "But time is running short."

"Indeed." Senator Dan Lee said, and stood up. "Motion for Senate approval of Operation Manifest Destiny."

One by one the Senators gave their consent.

"Very well," Senator Roxesung said, and pressed a button. "Operation Manifest Destiny is a go."

Elsewhere, diplomats, soldiers and lawyers rushed onto their designated planes. Soon more than 9 Commonwealth VIP planes were soaring through the air, with more than 180 massive cargo planes not far behind.

OOC: I am in PNAS and all I have to say is WHAAAAA?

State Capital Dover, Delaware

Due to its proximity to Maryland and relative small size, Commonwealth officials arrived in Delaware before any other place.

Senator Abtini Pachex strolled into the local government building, holding a stack of official documents. Two guards who tried to stop him quickly stood aside when 24 Commonwealth soldiers closed in behind the Senator.

Intruding into the supposedly 'temporary' govenor of Delaware's office, Senator Pachex slammed the documents down on his desk, almost giving the govenor a heart attack.

"The Commonwealth has secured plans for partitioning North America. Delaware is now recognized as rightfully ours by the international community, and I have came here today to tell you that the Commonwealth will now commence the formal annexation of this land."

"Yes... Yes, of course," the Govenor said, shaking controlloably. "I.... I..... I sign here, right?"

He quickly took out a pen and signed the state of Delaware into the Commonwealth.

Outside, the soldiers of the 12th Brigade quickly unloaded from their planes, and peacefully imposed control over most of the state's government facilities.

OOC: I am in PNAS and all I have to say is WHAAAAA?

OOC: What do you mean? I'm seizing control over the territories of North America as appropriated by the Baltimore Convention.

OOC: What do you mean? I'm seizing control over the territories of North America as appropriated by the Baltimore Convention.


OOC: No, I wasn't arguing with what you were doing, I just had no Idea what you were conquering or where or the plans.

Operation Manifest Destiny Command Center, Nantou, Taiwan

"The first reports have came in. Delaware is ours," a triumphant young man reported joyfully.

"Surrendered without a fight, just as we thought they would," NSA Director Christine Azai grinned. "With their neigbours falling one by one, those inept dictators will lose all will to fight."

"Starting from the south: Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virgina. All these land will soon be ours," Admiral Shimadu could not help but smile either. "Like dominoes falling, as soon as the first ones give they all come down."

"And with the East Coast firmly in our hands, the Western states will see no point in trying to counter us," Senator James Branden added in. "Finally, the Commonwealth will directly govern her rightful territories."

State Capital Atlanta, Georgia

Senator Neil Skrovisky's limousine pulled slowly up to the Govenor's palace. Stepping out of the vehicle casually, Skrovisky strolled towards the exquisite building. Seeing that he was accompanied by two fully armed squads of Commonwealth troops, the guards at the gates quickly gave way and opened the entrance.

The Senator did not, of course, wait to be led into the Govenor's office. Barging in with as much manners as possible under the circumstances, the Senator softly sat down and looked at the cowering Senator right in the eyes.

"Govenor," he began. "As you know the Commonwealth has acquired legal rights to this state. Initially we allowed you to retain autonomy, but your poor records on human rights and administration in general has caused the Senate to decree your removal."

The Govenor tembled, but his eyes suddenly became letal. "If you-"

Senator Skrovisky cut him off. "As of this moment one fully armed Commonwealth Brigade is in the process of taking over your facitlities. A force of more than 100,000 in Florida can cross the borders in within hours. If you cooperate peacefully, the Commonwealth has arranged for a retirement village for you and your colleagues in Florida."

That took all the fight out of the Govenor of Georgia. With a heavy sigh he signed the documents Senator Skrovisky briskly presented him.

Commonwealth rule has been established in Georgia.

The Nation of Golencia Condemns this actions by the Taiwanese Islands, and request they cease and descist. The 1st and 2nd Naval Fleets are heading to Taiwan and will commence a massive blockade should you ignore our request entirely.

OOC: Meaning if you give some consideration and basically humor me...well then they go away. And remember my fleets are large for my size since costs are taken care of by Grays Hill

OOC: Actually, I wouldn't mind some combat. Kind of boring if I keep posting after myself.

IC:

Operation Manifest Destiny Command Center, Nantou, Taiwan

"Georgia has been taken," a messenger reported. "Some wierd foregin nation for unknown reasons have protested, though, and are sending naval forces towards Taiwan."

"Good God," NSA Director Azai muttered. "Smart of them to pick an area not covered by PNAS."

"But execellent for us to test our new ship and tactics," Admiral Shimadu said confidently. "Inform the Seraphim."

Tag

State Capital Columbia, South Carolina

Senator Helms Colonste watched the battle raging in front of him.

The Govenor here had received news of Commonwealth subjugation of Florida, Delaware and Georgia, and resolved to maintain his rule over South Carolina by force. More than two thousand troops had gathered in front of the Govenor's palace, and all civilian traffic had been blocked.

But the Commonwealth delegation was not unprepared. Alerted of the circumstances, the Senator and his forces stormed another government building nearby, and used it a base of operations. Troops and equipments quickly assembled.

Minutes ago, eight Commanche set off towards the palace. The militia there fired crazily at the incoming helicopters, but most went off wild, while the rest dealt no serious harm. Leveling, the Commanches fired off a volley of rockets simultaenously, followed by sharp bursts of their cannon.

The munitions smashed into the piled cars the defenders had been hiding behind. Detonating, the blast knocked down every primitive barricade the Govenor had ordered to be put up, while the subsequent bullets finished off any lucky survivors. With another round of missiles, the Commanche quickly blew away a whole side of the palace.

Behind them, four hundred fully armed Commonwealth Special Forces charged in. A few gun shots could be heard, as they finished off any idiot who dared resist, but most have already lost the will to fight, and surrendered without fuss.

Within 5 minutes Commonwealth troops had suppressed any resistance South Carolina had to offer. The Govenor was dragged from under his desks, and a simple, efficient trial was held.

Senator Colonste presided. "Mr Govenor," he said. "You have ordered the resistance of a peaceful delegation from the Commonwealth by force, have you not?"

The Govenor muttered with white lips. "Yes, yes I did, I'm sorry, please-"

"Then we find you guilty of the following charges: 1. Unprovoked aggression against the Commownealth; 2. Unprovoked violence against a diplomatic envoy; 3. maltreatment of Commonwealth Delegations; 4. corruption when ruling South Carolina; and 5. being a dictator when ruling South Carolina."

Without a word a Lieutenant walked up, pressed a pistol against the Govenor's head, and pulled the trigger.

With their dictator's brains splattered across the front steps of his own palace, Commonwealth rule across South Carolina was confirmed.

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Aboard the USS Albuquerque
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"Sir, orders confirmed commence blockade. The 3rd Fleet is moving to join up."
said a crewmen to the new Admiral of the Navy. Admiral Aragon the youngest son of The Emperor, had taken command. "All ships to form in Island blockade. All neutral ships are to be warned, should they ignore a warning they shall be sunk. All hostile ships are to be sunk on sight."

The Admiral walked over and looked at the Radar Screen. "Any hostiles in the waters you sink them."

The Fleet began to manuver around the island and commenced a blockade.

OOC: Any of your ships there...they shoot em.

Feet 1-

2 Illeana Vassili-Class Carrier (Fully loaded with F/A-18)
2 Illeana Vassili-Class Carrier (Fully loaded with F-35 JSF)
8 SSN-688 Los Angeles Sub
12 Seawolf Subs
20 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
16 Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigate
12 Arleigh Burke AEIGS Destoryer

Fleet 2-
1 Illeana Vassili-Class Carrier (Fully loaded with F-35 JSF)
2 SSN-688 Los Angeles Sub
3 Seawolf Subs
5 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
4 Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigate
3 Arleigh Burke AEIGS Destoryer

Fleet 3-
1 Nimitz Class Carrier(Fully loaded with F-35 JSF)
3 Spruance Class Destroyers
2 Ticonderoga Cruisers
3 Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigate
2 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer

The Secretary of the Navy, Abdullah Ramhadi, ships to aid in the blockade of Taiwanese Islands. The following ships will be sent:

2 Illeana Vassili ACC, Loaded with F-35 JSFs
9 SPRUANCE-class Destroyers
5 Seawolf Subs
11 Ticonderoga Cruisers
10 Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigate
9 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer
7 Los Angeles-class Sub
6 Ohio-Class FBM Submarines
11 Krasina/Slava class Guided Missile Cruisers
16 Sovremenny class Guided Missile Destroyer

These ships will arive in about 3 days. (3 RL hours)

/* Naval Code 13-SB - All Ships of the Atlantic Fleet, West Cedarbrook Navy */
Hostilities have been threatened against PNAS ally Taiwanese Islands. Prepare to engage any hostile ships or aircraft west of 15 degrees West and north of Tropic of Cancer

Adm. Yehoshua Ben-Zvi
Chief of Staff
West Cedarbrook High Command

/* End coded message */

OOC: Blahh

State Capital Raleigh, North Carolina

Senator Michelle Chen was pondering her next move. She had been in the Govenor of North Carolina's office for more than an hour now, and although the man had tried to be pleasant and gave her no excuse to be mad, his insistance on North Carolina independence was also apparent.

Suddenly, an aide hurried into the room and whispered in his ears. Chen saw her opponent's eyes bulged with fear, and immediately guessed the message.

South Carolina had been annexed through force.

As the aide left, she smiled at the Govenor. "So, you were saying?"

"Er...er.... What happens once North Carolina joins the Commonwealth?" the Govenor said, with sweat running down his face.

Within minutes he signed the documents Chen laid before him.

OOC: You are godmodding taking over these states. You are playing no opposition. You cant just talk to the govenor and say that they handed over the state. You have to get someone else to control the state and you try to take it over. And btw, please respond to the naval blockade.

OOC: I'm still trying to think of names for my military commanders..... will post naval response once finished.

OOC: You are godmodding taking over these states. You are playing no opposition. You cant just talk to the govenor and say that they handed over the state. You have to get someone else to control the state and you try to take it over. And btw, please respond to the naval blockade.

OOC:
As E3 moderater, I back this claim, and make this RP void until detailed information and slight combat/diplomacy is used.

I stamp this:


You Are an Idiot!!111!!!!!

OOC: You are godmodding taking over these states. You are playing no opposition. You cant just talk to the govenor and say that they handed over the state. You have to get someone else to control the state and you try to take it over. And btw, please respond to the naval blockade.

OOC: I'm only forcing the Govenors to sign their states into the Commonwealth. I haven't exerted control over the lands, or win support from people yet. Remember that Operation Manifest Destiny has only begun for two hours at the most. Kind of hard for the people to actually start resisting yet.
I'd say you two are overreacting.

BTW, you are welcome to RP resistance forces, if you want. I'd do them myself later anyway, but well there you go.

OOC: Well, to me this is not feasible. How are you making them sign over? How are these men doing this when 85% of diplomatic imperialism fails (the 15% are from Kerry supporters). How can you make a governor, well, lets say president, sign over his nation to a larger one?

Even if you made it this simple, add detail, character RPs, and btw, I never use too many boldings. And I never over-react either ;-)

OOC: I'm only forcing the Govenors to sign their states into the Commonwealth. I haven't exerted control over the lands, or win support from people yet. Remember that Operation Manifest Destiny has only begun for two hours at the most. Kind of hard for the people to actually start resisting yet.
I'd say you two are overreacting.

BTW, you are welcome to RP resistance forces, if you want. I'd do them myself later anyway, but well there you go.

Thats what I'm saying. You have to get someone else to RP as the Govenors. That way you just dont get them all to just sign their states away.

OOC: Well, to me this is not feasible. How are you making them sign over? How are these men doing this when 85% of diplomatic imperialism fails (the 15% are from Kerry supporters). How can you make a governor, well, lets say president, sign over his nation to a larger one?

Even if you made it this simple, add detail, character RPs, and btw, I never use too many boldings. And I never over-react either ;-)

OOC: Forcing them, i'd imagine. I did deploy a brigade to escort each Senator. Remeber that these are not really nations either, just anarchic states.

Jeez..... This is so ruining my plans. If you have to know, I wanted to advance north untill Virginia, where the Govenor there would rally Southerners to resist the Commonwealth, and the West Coast was supposed to form a coalition against me.

Thats what I'm saying. You have to get someone else to RP as the Govenors. That way you just dont get them all to just sign their states away.


OOC: I should have the freedom to determine the styles in which I wanted this RP to go in, okay? As I explained I wanted to face non-regular forces in the East and the Govenors in the West. Kind of boring without variety, you know.

I suppose I'd have to think of something else now.

OOC: Hurry and answer to the blockades...ignore them, them being GH and Truitt since GH got all worked up over what it looked like

OOC: I should have the freedom to determine the styles in which I wanted this RP to go in, okay? As I explained I wanted to face non-regular forces in the East and the Govenors in the West. Kind of boring without variety, you know.

I suppose I'd have to think of something else now.

I'm just telling you, as an E3 mod, how it should go. Lets just say that Syria was unowned. I wouldnt just go in there and RP as both sides. I would have to get someone to RP as Syria. But anyways, back to the blockade.

OOC: and i'm just telling you, because I wanted to be dealing with guerrillas, terrorists and the like, that I don't want to get people to RP the govenors.

OOC: ARG!!! Get on with the RP, im bored and you keep arguing and its ANNOYING! RP its simple you both have said crap now lets RP.

OOC: Sorry. Anyway I've basically done my response, but I want to know a bit more about your forces, such as where they are coming from and which fleet is where......

OOC: They were all On te Coast of India and have been there, there being blocading Taiwan

Territorial Waters, North of Keelung, Taiwan

Aboard Battleship Seraphim

Admiral Kaori Hirota watched her crew readied the ship for combat with mixed feelings of excitement, anxiety and pride.

Battlship Seraphim, flagship of the First Fleet, is the most powerful warship of the Commonwealth. More than four times bigger than the Nimitz class carriers, the introduction of the Seraphim had led to several revolutionary changes in Commonwealth military thinking - which will soon be tested, right here next to the ship's birthplace.

The Seraphim is accompanied by 4 Arleigh Burke class destroyers, in spread out positions and continously circling the battleship. Despite the new doctrine of one ship fleets, Commonwealth commanders do not want to take risks.

Which is also why 18 Seawolf Class Submarines defended the Seraphim's underwater positions, in teams of two for every direction, and two more as reserves directly beneath the ship. And just to make sure that nothing will go wrong, 4 AWACS planes carefully watched for any signs of enemy forces, with 16 F-2 fighters patrolling the skies above the Battleship.

"Ma'am," one of the officers called out. "Enemy ships to the south west!"

"Good," Hirota replied. They had ample time to get ready. "Let's give them a warm welcom. Fire 1/8 of the anti-ship missiles."

Ten seconds later, 128 M-1AS missiles blasted off the ship simultaneously, creating a huge, banging noise that shocked many of the sailors on board. The missiles raced across the ocean towards the incoming Golencian ships, staying nice and low, close to the waters.

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For more info on the Seaphim see this thread:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8148958

The M-1AS missiles are a modified/upgraded version of the Harpoon missiles, with an extended range of 350 miles and a slightly increased speed of 900km/h

As the Missiles sped towards 2 Cruisers they tries desperately to get away, but in the end failed. The Ship farthest right was hit dead on and it sunk to the very bottom pits of the Ocean. The Second began to sink and crewmen jumped from it as it was engulfed in flames.

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USS Albuquerque
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"Sir 2 Cruisers have been sunk." The Admiral looked at the crewman, who reported it. "What direction are they at?"
"Here sir, Northeast of our location."
"Allright 200 F-35 JSFs Air Borne, and 40 F/A - 18s. Use them to bomb thier ship and shoot down any planes they may actually have. I want all of our Submarines, (25) To be prepared for an underwater strike. Use the Cruisers to bombard the ports."

The crewman listened and then went bout carrying out the commands of the Admiral. After guiding Air Planes from the Air Craft Carriers the 200 Ordered F-35s took to the air, and immediately engaged the enemy. While some prepared fro air combat others moved in position to sink the Battleship.

20 of the 25 submarines moved towards the underwater fleet, they spread out so if one were to be hit, the others would be unnaffected. Yet they still surged through the ocean water's like a plague.

The 230 F-35s loaded on the 2 carriers with the Grays Hillian fleet sent went airborne to bomb their ships, then return to the carriers. The Spruance Destroyers and Arleigh Burke class destroyers opened fire upon the subs. The other Grays Hillian subs with the fleet also opened fire upon the Taiwanese subs.

"We do not need this war sir!" the Secretary of the Navy told President al-Sahaf. "No, you are wrong, we do now WANT this war. But nontheless, Golencia was fired upon in our presence, and we acted in defending out ally. Order your ships to refrain from attacking their mainland for the moment. Tell them to only attack incomming planes and other ships. Also, alert the forces in the Mediterranean, and tell them to advance to Sicily and mouth of the Suez, but tell them not to enter Dimmimarian waters." the President ordered. the Sec.Nav. replied with a pithy, "Yes, sir!"

OOC: umm..... I did NOT use 128 missiles to sink 2 cruisers.....

IC:

"Enemy fighters detected!"

Hirota's head snapped up. "Get the fighters airborne! Fire the anti-air missiles!"

On the deck, flight crews immediately went into action. The F-1 fighters took off in groups of eight, and as spaces became avaliable more planes were quickly lifted up on to the flight deck through elevators. Behind them, 16 F-2 fighters were scrambled, and similarly followed by more and more.

Before long, all 48 of the F-1 the Seraphim carried were flying to engage the incoming Golencian planes, and behind them followed 96 F-2 fighters. The planes were spread out evenly across a huge space, so as to make sure that each fighter have enough space for maneouvres.

Meanwhile, the 5 ML-1AA VLS on the Seraphim readied themselves, and released a horde of 360 M-1AA missiles. The moving cloud they made up soon overtook the fighters and headed right into the Golencian planes.

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F-1 Air Dominance Fighter is a modification of the F-22 Raptor, and is more suited for maritme operations

F-2 Combined Support Fighter is based upon the Joint Strike Fighter, with more emphasise on VTOL and interceptor capabilities

The M-1AA missiles are essentially like the PAC-2 missiles, but with a range of 180km

BTW, won't 200+ planes be overfilling the spaces here..........

The 230 F-35s loaded on the 2 carriers with the Grays Hillian fleet sent went airborne to bomb their ships, then return to the carriers. The Spruance Destroyers and Arleigh Burke class destroyers opened fire upon the subs. The other Grays Hillian subs with the fleet also opened fire upon the Taiwanese subs.

"We do not need this war sir!" the Secretary of the Navy told President al-Sahaf. "No, you are wrong, we do now WANT this war. But nontheless, Golencia was fired upon in our presence, and we acted in defending out ally. Order your ships to refrain from attacking their mainland for the moment. Tell them to only attack incomming planes and other ships. Also, alert the forces in the Mediterranean, and tell them to advance to Sicily and mouth of the Suez, but tell them not to enter Dimmimarian waters." the President ordered. the Sec.Nav. replied with a pithy, "Yes, sir!"

OOC: what the heck is this?

Palace Residence of Govenor Li Xan Zhang, Virginia

An attendent entered the office of the Govenor after 3 brief knocks.

"Sir, Delaware, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina has all been annexed by the Commonwealth of Taiwanese Islands."

Dismissing him with a wave of hand, Govenor Zhang swore.

"Bloody fools, they should have been prepared - like I am - ever since that bloody Baltimore Convention. Ignorant," he shoke his head, and pressed the intercom button. "When is the delegation from Baltimore arriving?"

His top spy, Kung Fei, answered. "In 15 minutes, sir."

"Good. Shoot them down."

"Sir, you sure? This may anger..."

"You dare question me?" Zhang snapped. "Who are you to question the Govenor's decisions?"

Fei swallowed and protested, and promised to carried out his orders immediately.

"No wait," Zhang called him back. "We will just turn them away. Shooting it down may protray us as the bad guys."

At the other end, Fei muttured several phrases beneath his breath. "Very well, it shall be as you commanded."

Outside, in a nearby military airport, 16 F-16 fighters will soon be lifting off to turn back Commonwealth planes.

In the Skies, Above Border of Virginia and Maryland

"You are entering a restricted area, turn away or we shall open fire."

A voice with a wierd mucky accent suddenly spoke through the plane's radio, startling the pilots. One promptly left the cockpit.

"Ma'am, what should we do? Virginian fighters are warning us to turn back!"

Senator Kimberly Kawauchi blinked in surprise. "Head back to Maryland," she ordered immediately, and sighed. "How ignorant of us to come without fighter escorts."

The 21 planes heading towards Virginia quickly turned back. Senator Kawauchi phoned in her news to the Operation Command Center in Taiwan, and set the NSA staff there running madly.

Virginia was to put up a real fight against Commonwealth troops.

OOC: what the heck is this?

Its dialoge between my president and my secretary of the navy, after attacking your ships.

Its dialoge between my president and my secretary of the navy, after attacking your ships.

OOC: and your attack was done just like that.... okaaay...... i think i'll just assume that no harm was done then

OOC: and your attack was done just like that.... okaaay...... i think i'll just assume that no harm was done then

Then thats a godmod. I sent 230 F-35s lauched from carriers at your ships. I also fired upon your subs with my subs, and destroyers. That is too much firepower to have no harm. If you keep godmodding at this rate, none of you claims will get approved.

Then thats a godmod. I sent 230 F-35s lauched from carriers at your ships. I also fired upon your subs with my subs, and destroyers. That is too much firepower to have no harm. If you keep godmodding at this rate, none of you claims will get approved.

Right. Everyone else is godmodding and yours isn't. So, all those fighters I have in the air, all those missiles I launched --- did nothing to hinder you. The fact that my Seawolf subs are one of the most stealthy there is doesn't trouble you. Fired upon my subs? With what? Machine guns?

How the hell am I supposed to respond? My ship got sunk from an attack by far more planes than practical or even possible? And those planes somehow penetrated my defenses without the slightest difficulties? My subs got taken down by an unknown weapon used in an unexplainable way? Your subs somehow stayed out of mine's sight and yet detected them, despite the fact that we use the same models and your's are the ones moving?

A lot of right you have saying others are godmodding.

{OOC: finally, the real fun is starting.....despite several attempted sabotages}

Operation Manifest Destiny Command Center, Nantou, Taiwan

Reports of Virginian refusal to submit soon arrived. Although most had exected such a result, this was still upsetting to many. The dream of taking the East Coast without significant battles were shattered, and the West Coast may be encouraged to stand the grounds against the Commonwealth. In response, the Commonwealth was to crush Virginian resistance by force, as quickly as possible.

"Move the marines near the border with North Carolina," General Takesugi ordered. "Position the 8 brigades from Florida behind them, and deploy 12 Brigades in Maryland."

Within three hours, Commonwealth forces would be in place to launch Operation Dominion Renewal. Two marine divisions would make straight for Norfolk and Virginia Beach, while a third pushed up towards Richmond. Five brigades were to be sent Westward in a sweeping operation, while the rest clear out pockets neglected by the main battle forces.

From the North, 12 Brigades were to roll south from Washington, overwhelming Arlington and Alexandra, and then divide into groups of 8 and 4 brigades. The larger one would continue south to meet with Marine forces in Richmond, while the rest make their way south on the western side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

{OOC: some basic ideas for Commonwealth strategies}

Right. Everyone else is godmodding and yours isn't. So, all those fighters I have in the air, all those missiles I launched --- did nothing to hinder you. The fact that my Seawolf subs are one of the most stealthy there is doesn't trouble you. Fired upon my subs? With what? Machine guns?

How the hell am I supposed to respond? My ship got sunk from an attack by far more planes than practical or even possible? And those planes somehow penetrated my defenses without the slightest difficulties? My subs got taken down by an unknown weapon used in an unexplainable way? Your subs somehow stayed out of mine's sight and yet detected them, despite the fact that we use the same models and your's are the ones moving?

A lot of right you have saying others are godmodding.

Ok, first off, about the subs, I have 3 different types deployed off the coast of Taiwan, inculding the Seawolf. Destroyers specialize in anti-submarine warfare, and I deployed 3 different types of those too. And about the missiles you fired and fighters you have in the air... Ships DO have AA guns and SAMs. I haven't posted losses yet because these things take a lot of time. (Not to mention my mom has been on the computer and I have had a lot of HW to do.) I will post losses shortly.

Taiwanese Islands]OOC: umm..... I did NOT use 128 missiles to sink 2 cruisers.....


OOC: It'd be easier to know how many missiles you launch when you inform me of how many other than 1/8 of our something something.
Also you seriously need to reply to my and Grays Attacks. YOu have a bunch of Air Planes ready to bomb your ships and shoot down your fighters. And i deployed somewhere around 20 Seawolf Subs yet i haven't seen a single engagement of them and yours. And it possible for me to have such a large Navy as my good friend GH here supplied me it.

OOC: It'd be easier to know how many missiles you launch when you inform me of how many other than 1/8 of our something something.
Also you seriously need to reply to my and Grays Attacks. YOu have a bunch of Air Planes ready to bomb your ships and shoot down your fighters. And i deployed somewhere around 20 Seawolf Subs yet i haven't seen a single engagement of them and yours. And it possible for me to have such a large Navy as my good friend GH here supplied me it.

I did say 128 missiles were launched........ Read my post more carefully.

And I do realize that there are planes coming after my ship..... which perhaps explains why I scrambled my fighters. Your move now.

As for subs, remember that I'm on the defensive here. When your sub makes a move towards my ship, they'll show up.

Ok, first off, about the subs, I have 3 different types deployed off the coast of Taiwan, inculding the Seawolf. Destroyers specialize in anti-submarine warfare, and I deployed 3 different types of those too. And about the missiles you fired and fighters you have in the air... Ships DO have AA guns and SAMs. I haven't posted losses yet because these things take a lot of time. (Not to mention my mom has been on the computer and I have had a lot of HW to do.) I will post losses shortly.

Los Angeles class was the predecessor of the Seawolfs, and has a propulsion system ten times louder. Ohio is actually designed for nuclear strategic deterrent. Kind of hard to see why having them would compensate for your tactical disadvantages.

Saying that 'destroyers specializes in ASW' doesn't mean a thing. I simply cannot accept having the most stealthy branch of my fleet detected and assaulted while being stationary. Different types means more complicated logistics more than it means improved performances. Besides, it all depends on which system you use.

Keep in mind that the Seawolf submarines were designed to 'operate autonomously against the world's most capable submarine and surface threats'.

What it comes down to is this: how can you logically expect my subs to sit waiting for your ships to attack them? As soon as your ships entered range my subs will fire missiles: simple as that. I won't wait untill you get a lock. And given the circumstances the chances of me detecting you first is almost definite.

I'm quite confused about the air bit. I scrambled more than 100 planes to defend my ship, and fired twice as many missiles to intercept incoming enemy fighters. Are you suggesting that your ships are close enough to mine that they could use their AA guns and SAM to defend their fighters? Because, again, there is no way I would have let you come that close without launching my missiles and firing my guns.

I thought teleportation is one of the godmods. Evidently not. In that case, Commonwealth ship Seraphim is 5 metres away from your flagship, and just launched 2000 missiles - including some from her dedicated air defense systems - against your fleet. That's also too much firepower to ignore, so what's your losses huh?

LOL. Don't take that one seriously, in case you are wondering.

OOC: It'd be easier to know how many missiles you launch when you inform me of how many other than 1/8 of our something something.
Also you seriously need to reply to my and Grays Attacks. YOu have a bunch of Air Planes ready to bomb your ships and shoot down your fighters. And i deployed somewhere around 20 Seawolf Subs yet i haven't seen a single engagement of them and yours. And it possible for me to have such a large Navy as my good friend GH here supplied me it.

Sorry, my bad about the subs. Dunno why I neglected those...... Anyway will post something shortly.

OOC: This post is gonna be very crappy.
IC:

The Air Craft launched prepared for combat spreading through the sky and coming in waves. The 1st Wave consists of two strike groups. 100 Were to engage head on why the other 50 flew around and made their way from the rear, and hit the Enemy Fighters from the rear, while targeting the ship.
Wave 2 wasn't to come until all fighers were neutralized and they could hit the ships easily.

As the 1st Wave split into its two Squadrons the First Engaged and using everything from Missiles to Cannon Fire they swooped in for the kill.

Los Angeles class was the predecessor of the Seawolfs, and has a propulsion system ten times louder. Ohio is actually designed for nuclear strategic deterrent. Kind of hard to see why having them would compensate for your tactical disadvantages.

Saying that 'destroyers specializes in ASW' doesn't mean a thing. I simply cannot accept having the most stealthy branch of my fleet detected and assaulted while being stationary. Different types means more complicated logistics more than it means improved performances. Besides, it all depends on which system you use.

Keep in mind that the Seawolf submarines were designed to 'operate autonomously against the world's most capable submarine and surface threats'.

What it comes down to is this: how can you logically expect my subs to sit waiting for your ships to attack them? As soon as your ships entered range my subs will fire missiles: simple as that. I won't wait untill you get a lock. And given the circumstances the chances of me detecting you first is almost definite.

I'm quite confused about the air bit. I scrambled more than 100 planes to defend my ship, and fired twice as many missiles to intercept incoming enemy fighters. Are you suggesting that your ships are close enough to mine that they could use their AA guns and SAM to defend their fighters? Because, again, there is no way I would have let you come that close without launching my missiles and firing my guns.

I thought teleportation is one of the godmods. Evidently not. In that case, Commonwealth ship Seraphim is 5 metres away from your flagship, and just launched 2000 missiles - including some from her dedicated air defense systems - against your fleet. That's also too much firepower to ignore, so what's your losses huh?

LOL. Don't take that one seriously, in case you are wondering.

You have this all wrong. My ships are in your waters, thats what a blockade is. And I was refering to the AA guns and the SAMs because they can shoot down incomming missiles aimed at my ships. Only 100 Fighters? I sent up 230, the amount on two of my carriers...And back to the subs, mine and Golencia's subs have already been firing upon yours. Destroyers can be firing on subs before the subs get close enough to fire upon the destroyers also. And you speak of this new ship of yours as if it is invincible. I think 230 planes attacking it are enough to fight off the 100 you sent up and sink the ships.

(And now, that I have time to do this) Damages to missile attacks and the air war:
2 Destroyers
1 Cruiser
2 Missile Destroyers
3 Cruiser Destroyers
57 F-35s

A larger force is being prepared for deployment to Taiwan. Also, 57 F-35's are on their way out to the carriers to replace the others shot down.

You have this all wrong. My ships are in your waters, thats what a blockade is. And I was refering to the AA guns and the SAMs because they can shoot down incomming missiles aimed at my ships. Only 100 Fighters? I sent up 230, the amount on two of my carriers...And back to the subs, mine and Golencia's subs have already been firing upon yours. Destroyers can be firing on subs before the subs get close enough to fire upon the destroyers also. And you speak of this new ship of yours as if it is invincible. I think 230 planes attacking it are enough to fight off the 100 you sent up and sink the ships.

(And now, that I have time to do this) Damages to missile attacks and the air war:
2 Destroyers
1 Cruiser
2 Missile Destroyers
3 Cruiser Destroyers
57 F-35s

A larger force is being prepared for deployment to Taiwan. Also, 57 F-35's are on their way out to the carriers to replace the others shot down.

You are treating my nation as if it doesn't have any naval forces patrolling her seas. Its all nice and well to say 'my ships are in your waters' but they have to actually get there fist. You can't expect my navy to let you accomplish a blockade without responding. You can't go 'I blockaded you!' without letting me have the option of letting your ships get in position or actively engaging them.

Like I said, when Taiwan has an air space reportedly completely defensible with 100 fighters (I think the real figure should be twice that, though), I don't see why you can send out 230 planes, especially when Golencia already had a pile coming my way. My ship may be big, but it's still nothing compared to even small islands like Taiwan. Space is not unlimited, you know.

I don't remember sending missiles at your ships at all. I fired 128 against Golencia's ships (I thought I was firing against his main fleet, but somehow there was only 2 cruisers around) and another 360 against incoming enemy planes. I don't see why that has anything to do with your SAM and AA guns. What on earth are you trying to achieve, putting up losses before I even attacked you?

Next, nothing is as black and white as you made wars sound like. What's the logic behind 'destoryers can fire on subs before subs are close enough to fire back'? I fail to see why MK-46 torpedoes, with its range of 12,000 yards max, and ASROC with about 13 km or so, can hit my subs before I used the 60 nautical miles ranged Harpoons on them. And you still haven't told me what weapons you used.

My ship is certainly not invincible. But I did put a hell of a lot of effort into it, and if you think spending 5 seconds typing up 'The 230 F-35s loaded on the 2 carriers with the Grays Hillian fleet sent went airborne to bomb their ships, then return to the carriers' will convince me that a $120 billion ship is now gone, well, what can I say? I'm not prepared to have it sunk just to please you, you who don't even pretend to have put the slightest effort into RP's.

And, lastly, if all this is to you is sayig 'my ships did this and my planes did that' then I refuse to RP with you, simple as that. Games like, say, Hearts of Iron would be indefinetly more fun than that.

Just as a note: if you want to use 'destroyers' that can teleport and launch anti submarine weapons against the world's most silent submarines from 250 km away, I do appreciate it if you don't label the ships Sprunce, Perry, and Arleigh Burke. Kinda misleading, if you know what I mean.

OOC: This post is gonna be very crappy.
IC:

The Air Craft launched prepared for combat spreading through the sky and coming in waves. The 1st Wave consists of two strike groups. 100 Were to engage head on why the other 50 flew around and made their way from the rear, and hit the Enemy Fighters from the rear, while targeting the ship.
Wave 2 wasn't to come until all fighers were neutralized and they could hit the ships easily.

As the 1st Wave split into its two Squadrons the First Engaged and using everything from Missiles to Cannon Fire they swooped in for the kill.

What about those anti-air missiles I launched against your planes.....? And what happened to the 128 missiles against your ships?

I did say 'Ten seconds later, 128 M-1AS missiles blasted off the ship simultaneously...' in my post.

Submarine Detachment, Commonwealth First Fleet

Although previously spread out evenly, as Golencian ships were detected 15 of the Seawolfs defending the Seraphim had moved forward and formed a chain spreading 4.5 km across.

Everyone aboard the subs knew that Golencian submarines would be moving towards them any time now. In fact, they could be on their way right this moment. An atmosphere of unease filled the silent, enclosed spaces below water.

Just then, a warning signal flashed across the computer screens of the submarines.

Some 400 metres above them, Admiral Hirota was immediately notified. "Our subs report that about 10 enemy submarines has been detected," an officer said. "Seems like Los Angeles class, and they are entering range shortly."

Nodding with her eyes closed, Hirota pondered for a strategy.

"Tell them to launch 8 Mark 48 ADCAP torpedoes each against the enemy ships," she said after half a minute. "Then divide into two groups of 7, and proceed at maximum tactical speeds away from each other. Spread out facing each other after they are 25 km apart. Leave that odd one out in the middle."

The order was instantly relayed down. Preparing themselves, the 15 Seawolfs launched a total of 120 Mark 48 torpedoes. These deadly weapons left their tubes silently, and raced towards their targets like a huge net rushing towards fish.

Almost immediately, 14 of the 15 Seawolfs began turning around towards their desinated directions, and soon were moing off at 20 knots in opposite directions.

You are treating my nation as if it doesn't have any naval forces patrolling her seas. Its all nice and well to say 'my ships are in your waters' but they have to actually get there fist. You can't expect my navy to let you accomplish a blockade without responding. You can't go 'I blockaded you!' without letting me have the option of letting your ships get in position or actively engaging them.

Like I said, when Taiwan has an air space reportedly completely defensible with 100 fighters (I think the real figure should be twice that, though), I don't see why you can send out 230 planes, especially when Golencia already had a pile coming my way. My ship may be big, but it's still nothing compared to even small islands like Taiwan. Space is not unlimited, you know.

I don't remember sending missiles at your ships at all. I fired 128 against Golencia's ships (I thought I was firing against his main fleet, but somehow there was only 2 cruisers around) and another 360 against incoming enemy planes. I don't see why that has anything to do with your SAM and AA guns. What on earth are you trying to achieve, putting up losses before I even attacked you?

Next, nothing is as black and white as you made wars sound like. What's the logic behind 'destoryers can fire on subs before subs are close enough to fire back'? I fail to see why MK-46 torpedoes, with its range of 12,000 yards max, and ASROC with about 13 km or so, can hit my subs before I used the 60 nautical miles ranged Harpoons on them. And you still haven't told me what weapons you used.

My ship is certainly not invincible. But I did put a hell of a lot of effort into it, and if you think spending 5 seconds typing up 'The 230 F-35s loaded on the 2 carriers with the Grays Hillian fleet sent went airborne to bomb their ships, then return to the carriers' will convince me that a $120 billion ship is now gone, well, what can I say? I'm not prepared to have it sunk just to please you, you who don't even pretend to have put the slightest effort into RP's.

And, lastly, if all this is to you is sayig 'my ships did this and my planes did that' then I refuse to RP with you, simple as that. Games like, say, Hearts of Iron would be indefinetly more fun than that.

Just as a note: if you want to use 'destroyers' that can teleport and launch anti submarine weapons against the world's most silent submarines from 250 km away, I do appreciate it if you don't label the ships Sprunce, Perry, and Arleigh Burke. Kinda misleading, if you know what I mean.

Well, being that my ships were goin along with Golencian ships, I assumed that they were being attacked too. That why I was talking about AA guns and SAMS, because they can bring down missiles. But the planes I sent up came from my carriers in the region, and they were only aimed at your ships. I haven't aimed anything at the Island its self so far.

And my ships arent 250 km away. They are off the coast of Taiwan. They did not just teleport. If you go back you will see that I rped that I was sending them, and waited several RL hours untill they got there, which in NS time is a few months if you go by the ratio that 1 RL day= 1 NS year.

What about those anti-air missiles I launched against your planes.....? And what happened to the 128 missiles against your ships?

I did say 'Ten seconds later, 128 M-1AS missiles blasted off the ship simultaneously...' in my post.

OK I KNOW you never mentioned firing AA Guns. and i did read the 128 missile thingy, ill have to do some re-assesment here in a bit.

IC:

The Golencian subs moved in deeper to enclose the enemy. The force of 20 had been sitting in the waters until they were finally given the order to move in and engage. As the Subs moved deeper and deeper in, their command was given, "2 Torpedoes per ship are to be launched. No more no less. Stay spread out so we al dont go down when 1 is hit. Understood?"
Men shook heads and responded and the subs submerged only a few feet off of the Ground, and continued forward.

Well, being that my ships were goin along with Golencian ships, I assumed that they were being attacked too. That why I was talking about AA guns and SAMS, because they can bring down missiles. But the planes I sent up came from my carriers in the region, and they were only aimed at your ships. I haven't aimed anything at the Island its self so far.

And my ships arent 250 km away. They are off the coast of Taiwan. They did not just teleport. If you go back you will see that I rped that I was sending them, and waited several RL hours untill they got there, which in NS time is a few months if you go by the ratio that 1 RL day= 1 NS year.

You can't just decide what time I'm going by. Not everyone can get on the net 24 hours a day. You can send your ships, but then you must wait for me to respond, because who is to say that I won't be sleeping during your '3 RL hours'? The common ratio of 1 day to 1 year doesn't work out in practice because then our planes would be in the air for weeks and months without having a chance at refuelling.

Assuming that your 230 planes can go bomb my ship and then all return is plain godmod.

And again, I would really appreciate it if you don't try to take RP so simply as just 'A did B'. Don't expect me to reponse to your attacks unless you start adding in details.

The Golencian subs moved in deeper to enclose the enemy. The force of 20 had been sitting in the waters until they were finally given the order to move in and engage. As the Subs moved deeper and deeper in, their command was given, "2 Torpedoes per ship are to be launched. No more no less. Stay spread out so we al dont go down when 1 is hit. Understood?"
Men shook heads and responded and the subs submerged only a few feet off of the Ground, and continued forward.

OOC:You do realize that Seawolfs are very hard to detect, don't you?

My subs only found your Los Angeles too.

OOC: Then i expect that it'll be very hard for you to ee my Subs as they move in under your fleet.

Also the Los Angeles are with the rest of the fleet.

Assuming that your 230 planes can go bomb my ship and then all return is plain godmod.



Thats why I posted some plane losses when I posted my losses. But your ship surviving an attack from at least 100 of these 230 at the same time, is a complete godmod.

And I havent put as much detail into my post here lately, because I havent had as much time as I usually do, but that is changing.

OOC: Then i expect that it'll be very hard for you to ee my Subs as they move in under your fleet.

Also the Los Angeles are with the rest of the fleet.

OOC: True, which is why I only saw your Los Angeles. And you did send out 20 subs, so I'll expect that there is a minimum of 5 Los Angeles.

Thats why I posted some plane losses when I posted my losses. But your ship surviving an attack from at least 100 of these 230 at the same time, is a complete godmod.

And I havent put as much detail into my post here lately, because I havent had as much time as I usually do, but that is changing.

If you send out 230 planes equipped to bomb my ship, I'll expect that it won't work, because they'll all get shot down before accomplishing anything. If there were some fighters escorting them, well, you certainly didn't make it sound like it.

Posting losses ages after saying '230 planes went to blah blah blah and then returned' doesn't sound very convincing, either. You could at least send out the plane and wait for my counter measures before ranting on and on about losses. Did you even know what kind of defenses I had placed on my ship?

And my ship didn't 'survive your attack', I ignored you.

I'm tired of arguing with you. I'll stop ignoring your posts as soon as you started roleplaying properly.

If you send out 230 planes equipped to bomb my ship, I'll expect that it won't work, because they'll all get shot down before accomplishing anything. If there were some fighters escorting them, well, you certainly didn't make it sound like it.

Posting losses ages after saying '230 planes went to blah blah blah and then returned' doesn't sound very convincing, either. You could at least send out the plane and wait for my counter measures before ranting on and on about losses. Did you even know what kind of defenses I had placed on my ship?

And my ship didn't 'survive your attack', I ignored you.

I'm tired of arguing with you. I'll stop ignoring your posts as soon as you started roleplaying properly.

he sent F-35 JSFs. those are Joint Strike Fighters. They are used as Fighters and Bombers. I sent those too, but i do have some F/A-18s in my fleet

Ok, if you paid attention to my post, I said out of the 230 planes sent up, only 100 focused on your ship. The others were for protection, and to engage any of your planes that were sent their way. And by just 'ignoring' me, you are taking the babies way out. Scared to REALLY fight me are you?

he sent F-35 JSFs. those are Joint Strike Fighters. They are used as Fighters and Bombers. I sent those too, but i do have some F/A-18s in my fleet

Thing is, this is what he said: "The 230 F-35s loaded on the 2 carriers with the Grays Hillian fleet sent went airborne to bomb their ships, then return to the carriers".

Now, JSF is capable of many different missions. But that doesn't mean they can switch from one function to the other as they wished, in the air. He needs to be sure what to use them for before launching them. I don't think anyone used AIM-120 against ships.

Basically I'm just pissed off by the simplicity behind that line.

Ok, if you paid attention to my post, I said out of the 230 planes sent up, only 100 focused on your ship. The others were for protection, and to engage any of your planes that were sent their way. And by just 'ignoring' me, you are taking the babies way out. Scared to REALLY fight me are you?

I fail to notice this. Perhaps you could show me where. And oh, any additions after you accused me of godmodding shouldn't be counted.

If you really want to fight, you can always restart in a proper way. Seeing as you are online at the moment, now should be a perfect time.

I fail to notice this. Perhaps you could show me where. And oh, any additions after you accused me of godmodding shouldn't be counted.

If you really want to fight, you can always restart in a proper way. Seeing as you are online at the moment, now should be a perfect time.

I dont REALLY want to fight you. I just sent ships to aid my ally in a blockade of Taiwan. Then you attacked and I retaliated. And you saying all my planes would be shot down is a godmod. They are Joint Strike Fighters, multiroled. They can be sent on the offensive, and defend themselves at the same time.

Also he never said they already returned. All he said was then they would return. meaning after they do their mission they'll come back.

OOC: FYI, Taiwanese Islands' ownership of it's North American claims has been confirmed on the Earth III main thread.

Most of this stuff is happening far away from North America.

OOC: Yeah, just noticed yesterday. I guess I'll do a West Coast rebellion instead.

Also he never said they already returned. All he said was then they would return. meaning after they do their mission they'll come back.

Well, he did say 'then return to', what the hell am I supposed to take from that? Then he accused me of godmodding, and I guess it triggered the whole thing. I thought nations have the right to ignore poorly done RP's. He never told me what weapons he used on my subs either. I mean, as far as I know he could be firing CIWS or something.

I dont REALLY want to fight you. I just sent ships to aid my ally in a blockade of Taiwan. Then you attacked and I retaliated. And you saying all my planes would be shot down is a godmod. They are Joint Strike Fighters, multiroled. They can be sent on the offensive, and defend themselves at the same time.

Having a multiroled fighter means that they can be condigured for different types of missions, not that they can function both as a air superiority fighter and a naval bomber at the same time. Well technically they can, but you'll get much diminished capabilities. I mean, 4 Harpoons are just not the same as two.

Of course, unless by offensive you meant air-to-air combat, which then has no relevance to what we've been saying.

In any case, being able to 'defend themselves' does not equate to survival. Of course they probably won't all be shot down, but given my forces I'd say that most will, and certainly virtually all would be damaged.

In event of such an airborne attack on my fleet, the fighters in the air would not stand by and watch now, would they? Let us assume that my F-2 and yours JSF are exchanged in a 1:0.8 ratio, so as to make allowances on your numerical superiority. There goes 77. Then my F-1 should probably get about 1:4 or something, since its based upon (read: same as) the F-22. That's another 192. After that, I have a total of 900 Patriot Advanced Capability 2 missiles ready, which I would say can take down probably another 225. After that, my last line of defense is the 288 PAC-3 missiles, which should be able to get about 192 planes or something. That's about 686 planes.

Also, a blockade is an act of war. What kind of reponses did you expect?

OOC: Wow, looks like I missed a lot while I was gone.

IC: New Stamford officially halts all trade except for foodstuffs and medical supplies with the warring nations until hostilities cease. That covers everything from Black Hawk helicopters (B$400,000 to anybody else) to pornography.

When peace resumes, New Stamford will lift its ban on these nations, and trade can resume again.

(FED ORDR NO. 22062 - G, TRADE BAN 8/99/43/2.)

OOC: I think they've dropped out of the RP....... Maybe you could RP the Virginian government?

bump..... hoping to revive this rp