NationStates Jolt Archive

Hey guys... I got the login script done, and much of the html portion completed. I will have v.1 up and running this weekend! Please register, you can log-in right after you register, and you will see what v.1 will bring to the table. The amount of people who register will also help me determine if I will invest time/money into expanding v.1 and the construction of further versions.

You can get more info/register for it at: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com

NOTE: It used to be hosted at: nsmod.gamerspcsource.com so if you already registerd make sure you use the new link.

Thanks.

i hope we dont have 2 pay money for this :( :confused: :eek:

What the **censored**?

wow when this goes live it could be really good if enough people sign up to it

Wow!

Wow *registers* is there a deposit option?

I don't godmod, or at least I've never been accused of it. Also, does this site of yours include FT races or nations?

To be honest I don't actually like the look of this.

I don't get it. I only find an account thing, and nothing more. Is there actually a population thing or anything?

Is this like a petition?

The menu is not yet complete. I ran into a bit of trouble, but it should be worked out by this weekend. I am working on getting some forums together so you guys can tell me what you want to see in it. What you guys want in later versions...etc

Sry forgot to add. Right now it acts as a bank only. But later versions will include other things that you wish to have included. Example. weapon listings, shops, interactive wars, an ability to judge when a country is officially taken over...etc As of right now though... You can use v.1 for your online shops when you buy weapons...etc The shop can bill you through this..etc

Before I sign up or anything, what, exactly, is this?

Errr, wow.

My god, real finances? You mean nations can't spend all their money on the millitary while remaining a viable state? I'm overjoyed at the amount of realism this will bring to NS, great job.

It looks like a sort of super-nation calculator, or a replacement for Nationstates.net
Not sure.

Just signed up:
Hmm...looks very interesting. How do I find out how much money I have though: it doesn't say.

Just signed up:
Hmm...looks very interesting. How do I find out how much money I have though: it doesn't say.

Thanks for asking. It turns out the register script is missing a vital portion that sets up the account credentials. I will have that updated ASAP, and manually set-up your account credit. All other nations with the same problem goes the same for you.

How can I deposit money or is that currently unfunctional? I've kept my talleys thus far in EXCELL and I have a few trillion dollars that I have to spend and I want to move from EXCELL to this thing.

Why? Because this thing is GREAT!!!

nver mind

This guy mentions security, but yet the password field is in clear text....(when you register)...

This guy mentions security, but yet the password field is in clear text....(when you register)...

Make sure no one is looking over your shoulder then.

I don't trust it. Some Jan '05 nation pops in, makes some groovy calculator and no one puts a question mark behind it?

I don't trust it. Some Jan '05 nation pops in, makes some groovy calculator and no one puts a question mark behind it?

True...

Yeah I am little suspicious myself. I will wait awhile and see how this plays out.\

Oh and btw, Communist Brazil is on the list twice.

I don't see how this could be realistic if, as it says in the terms of agreement, everyone starts with the same amount of money. For example, my nation is crawling out of the 19th century, has no modern industry, and is entirely reliant on foriegn aide. I should definately NOT begin with the same amount of cash as, say, praetonia.



Also, one of the nice things about NS is that it is freeform. While people do abuse the system by godmodding, isn't social ostracism a good enough punishment?

Note, I don't object to what you're doing here. An NS banking system is an excelent idea, and I worked on one with Praetonia and Hamptonshire a couple of months ago. I do, however, object that we need to put the financial wellbeing of our country entirely in your hands and can no longer profit from trade and taxrates thiat differ from what NS says they are.

If all our deposits need to be cleared by you, I'm afraid you'll be spending so miuch time okaying deposits that you won't be able to actually check each on. Fluid time is another problem. While it may seem unreasonable for a person to deposit a trillion dollars each day, if they are playing one RL day= 5 NS years... it's not so unrealistic.

The common currency is also a sticking point. My nation actually has FOUR currencies... would it not be better to simply use a common currency on your site and work out exchange rates? Will there be interest? I'm not to fond of the idea of putting my naitonal surplus in a locked vault... I'd much prefer to invest it in local corperations and give loans to people.

I think I would support Verdant Archipelago idea of having a NS Banking/Budgetry System that was endorsed by all the major players as far as was possible to stop certain nations abusing the Freeform breath given to their economies.

This would of course have to mean that all the Major alliances would have to put their name to this, which I don't honestly think would be a problem.

If you need any help on the Economics, I'd be more than happy to lend a hand.

Damn that's a pretty good idea.

Look forward to it being all up and running :D

I've decided to sign up to test this. However, I'm quite skeptical. I would like to see some of the suggestions mentioned in the posts before me implimented, espically those suggestions regarding the actual finances of my nation.

what can actually be done on the site. I see bills send give money but nothing happening and how would same money for everyone work?
taxes must come into it economy?

UPDATE

Ok guys here is my plan, I am trying to develop a basic system as a base to build off of. v.1 wont be much, just a banking system. But with time and further versions I hope to add alot more, and use your suggestions. As far as how every nation starts off with the same amount...etc for v.1 this will have to be the way it works. However, if you can prove to me with posts/other evidence that your nation has more $$$/less $$$ I will adjust the account balance. As far as the functions... they are not yet complete. This Sat. is the night I hope to get them working.

**To debate account balance please build your file by posting on the support forum located at: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com/board . Please use your nation name as the subject followed by account (i.e. nationame, account).

As far as suggestions go please post them on the wishlist located at: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com/board .

If you guys want to see v2.0 in less then 6 months then please help me develop this. If you wish to help contact me at: nsmodsupport@gamerspcsource.com .

P.S. Account balance problem fixed. (Had to re-enter account data.) If your password or nationname is wrong please contact me via nsmodsupport@gamerspcsource.com.


Thanks.

i will try this out

Honestly, I don't support this idea. There are two reasons - the first being that Godmodding should simply be ignored. Half the problem with it is that people stoke the fire by yelling at the person, which causes greater problems.

Secondly, I doubt such a calculator would work with many nations out there. FT nations in particular. as some possess the facilities to build everything and don't buy anything themselves. Nations could be commmunist, have no money but protect another nation for it, might have been taken over and their funds pillaged, etcetera. Not that I'm saying it's a bad idea, or that it's a badly done piece of work, I just don't see how one can have a "One size Fits all" system for freeform roleplay.

No offense meant to anybody.

THat's the problem I see as well... It would be better if this was used as a comodities trading system rather than a counter to godmodding. THe NS society as a whole acts to dampen godmodding, and it's... unrealistic to expect that there's any magic fix. While this is an interesting system, the emphasis should be more on trade and less on countering godmodding.

What I'd like to see (and I'll post this on your forum too) is a bidding system for comodities and a ticker that shows what the average price for that comodity has been so far. IF we also had the ability to leave comments about people's bids, then that would actually curtail godmodding. For example, if someone offered "1 billion barrels of crude oil for one dollar w00t!" people would leave a message saying "you're a moron. go home." And with the average prices for that comodity displayed, it would be easier to modify our prices to be competative. There could be blind auctions and normal auctions, or straight sales. If you want to get really complicated and people were good sports about it, you could even move into speculation and start a stock market... though those have a tendancy to fail miserably.

Also, rather than arbitrarily declaring how much money we have, why not let us just make deposits?

Honestly, I don't support this idea. There are two reasons - the first being that Godmodding should simply be ignored. Half the problem with it is that people stoke the fire by yelling at the person, which causes greater problems.

Secondly, I doubt such a calculator would work with many nations out there. FT nations in particular. as some possess the facilities to build everything and don't buy anything themselves. Nations could be commmunist, have no money but protect another nation for it, might have been taken over and their funds pillaged, etcetera. Not that I'm saying it's a bad idea, or that it's a badly done piece of work, I just don't see how one can have a "One size Fits all" system for freeform roleplay.

No offense meant to anybody.

To complicate things even further, my species has no concept of a currency. It gets even more complicated when your species is alien - such as mine. We do trade on an exchange basis and that's about it. As for resources, it's quite likely that any FT race or nation could easily supply most of what they need.

Sorry, but what a terrible concept. Fraud is so damn easy, you make several nations there (big ones) and have a different e-mail each time you sign up. Because the background check will be basic (not being able to get hold of ones nationstates IP) or the datafeed will be set up for nations who registered early so, you make lots of nations and when the financial part is ok I donate all the money to my main account. Easy money and the security there is laughable, I can make dozens of accounts and no one checks it's legitimacy.

And I still don't trust this, hence why I signed up with a hotmail (!!!) adress, something that should be banned if you promote security.

Sorry, but what a terrible concept. Fraud is so damn easy, you make several nations there (big ones) and have a different e-mail each time you sign up. Because the background check will be basic (not being able to get hold of ones nationstates IP) or the datafeed will be set up for nations who registered early so, you make lots of nations and when the financial part is ok I donate all the money to my main account. Easy money and the security there is laughable, I can make dozens of accounts and no one checks it's legitimacy.

And I still don't trust this, hence why I signed up with a hotmail (!!!) adress, something that should be banned if you promote security.

This is just a beta release. Given time all those issues especially the one above will be taken care of. The best thing you guys can do is post those issues/suggestions on how to make it work at: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com/board. Again it will take time to build/rebuild to obtain a perfected product.

My money is like a twentieth of my trade surplus :S
It should be $6,695,205,161,541!

UPDATE

v.1 is COMPLETE! Sign up now, and start using it. Below is an example on how to use v.1.

Nation A's Store Front

Selling M16s 200 dollars a unit.

Nation B says i'll buy 4unit's, my account number is: (your account number here).

Nation A logs on nsmod, and sends a bill:

(account number)

(800)

(4 Units Purchase from, Nation A's Store Front)

Then Nation B logs on at some point, goes to bills oh, i have a bill, clicks on pay bills.

(Directions how to pay bills on the pay bills page.)

Any questions visit the board for tech support: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com/board.

OR

Email me at: nsmodsupport@gamerspcsource.com.

Thanks and enjoy!

**Bump**
You can register at: http://nsmod.thejefffiles.com.

Thanks.

Very, very good idea. This deserves a sticky, IMO.

**BUMP**

You guys do know that you can send bills/pay bills right?

What an amazing idea!

If only this could work in conjunction with Commerce Height's NSeconomy budget calculator, and have the budget increase with a country's growth, then it would be super.

As for nations with aliens or future-tech, I guess you have to develop a separate system or fix yourself to your current system. But this is awesome for modern-tech nations.

you know of any storefronts that we can use i dont want to seem like a G.I.M.P(love that word)

You can search through various posts, or just post a notice, looking for....etc and people will post thier links for you.

As far as budget increase with the calculator, that is comming in the following versions. However please use this current system, and feel free to complain about some things. We need people's input to really get this thing going.

NOTICE:::Please post interest levels, and use the current system. If interest level's drop we will be forced to drop production.:::
Thanks.

*scream*

WOW! I registered, I'm going to require all my buyers to use this system! GOOD JOB UP!

The problem with a transaction system such as this is that to say “you have exactly this much money” requires that some calculator be used to calculate that amount (before spending), which cannot be done accurately because any calculator is biased (because it interprets insufficient information) and ignores things such as tech level and the actual RPed nation that might differ from NS’s statistics. Of course, calculators are still useful as a guideline (especially if you agree with their bias http://terranordalis.thirdgeek.com/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif), but a transaction system such as this requires more than a guideline.

Unless, of course, I’ve misunderstood this…

The problem with a transaction system such as this is that to say “you have exactly this much money” requires that some calculator be used to calculate that amount (before spending), which cannot be done accurately because any calculator is biased (because it interprets insufficient information) and ignores things such as tech level and the actual RPed nation that might differ from NS’s statistics. Of course, calculators are still useful as a guideline (especially if you agree with their bias http://terranordalis.thirdgeek.com/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif), but a transaction system such as this requires more than a guideline.

Unless, of course, I’ve misunderstood this…

We are in the process of taking care of this issue. Thanks for your input.

**bump**

Now, looks nice, but how does this help stop godmodding :confused: :confused:

By keeping track of funds. You cant buy more then the account can pay for ;).

By keeping track of funds. You cant buy more then the account can pay for ;).

Is the account "size" dependent on nation's population, economy and stuff. This sounds VERY good!

Bump.

Excellent idea. If more people signed up with this and used it in conjunction with their storefronts then this could really be something great.

Along with the calculator update you said was coming, I had to sign up!

TAG. Good idea.

tag.... i'll check this out.

Tag - logged in, registered and first store up is up.

This is an interesting idea, although I should point out that it won't kill godmodding. A common currency and single purchase system will not stop n00bs from pwning teh world!!!oneone or having ridiculously exaggerated armies. It may also create a schism in the NS population, with those not on your system being unable to trade with those on it, and vice versa. But it's essentially a good idea, and a step in the right direction.

OoC: I signed on, logged in and everything but calling it the "proposal to kill god modding" is a bit over the top - even though it is a very good system.

I agree with Kriegorgrad there, but yes, it is an awesome idea and I signed up. :) Good work!