NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC:
There have been lists like this before, but those were slightly biased because they were a combination of IC/OOC and the creator didn't want to harm the relations with their allies so only nations who were in unfriendly terms with the thread creator got a place on the list. This caused an incomprehensive list with the thread creator and allies as the righteous nations striving to secure world peace while the others were the most evil, twisted and insane regimes you can imagine. Kind of like the current USA-Iran thing, horribly biased and untrue. "We are good, they are evil"*. Taken out of proportion, but it's the same idea. Therefore this list is completely OOC, but of course, everybody is free to use it for IC situations.

*: DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS. ONLY AN EXAMPLE.

Well, what does it take to be part of this select and quite possibly, insane group of nations?
Being mean is not enough. You know, the weekly "I gas/kill/slaughter/butcher stereotype X" to serve II with it's portion of genocide. In NationStates everything is bigger. Ten million is a joke, nobody takes you serious or treats you as a real nasty person that way. When I was young I was quite fond of myself when I killed 23 million people, which is nothing. Think of Garrison II who nuked one billion(?) people to kingdom come roughly two years ago and you get the idea of "evil" in nationstates.

Being evil doesn't require a standard evil government. Seriously, being a regular nazi or fascist may show the world you have a wrong government but that's clearly not enough. Usually if you announce (see tip #4) being a nazi or a fascist people will most likely say "Oh great another. Cease all trade, interaction etc". We don't want this to happen do we?
Combine things, be creative. How about something the region The Reich stands for? Combine national-socialism (nazism) with religious fanaticism while spouting your hate about everything else constantly. Pass ridiculous laws. Hey wait a minute. Let's kill all homosexuals! Wrong. This has been done in the past and is still going on. Again, creativity counts. A solid block of text on a page of text summarizing your hatred directed at whatever you hate as a nation. If you can, make propaganda posters in photoshop or make your mass murder interesting to read.

Commit your genocide in another nation. Yes showing the world you do not care for your people may cause anger but people know they are X or Y, so they won't care or intervene. After all, would you want to get entangled in someone elses affairs just to secure the human rights of people who love to violate them? Not me. What can you do to make yourself someone who cares about his/her own people but couldn't care less when you having a party in another nation? Stage attacks, frame persons, steal, loot, plunder. Spread lies, propaganda. Make it look like the other nation is the aggressor - everyone knows it's you but has very little solid IC evidence to back their claims. Of course, you can start killing children for robbing the local toystore but it gets boring after a while. Genocide in another nation however, isn't. It takes much more to start killing in another nation.
A reason to invade that makes sense.
Successful Invasion
Strong presence
Established base
Means of escape
Means to cover up evidence
Methods of effective genocideContrary to killing in your own nation only takes one single post.
Announcing you are a nazi or totalitarian stalinist communist only results in people thinking you are some attention craving wannabe. A big no, because the big secret of success isn't the fact you being the one who spreads the news but others who opppose you. When the news of you having fun spreads, it spreads like wildfire. Imagine this, A is killing millions. B who is A's enemy has his own RP group of C, D, E and F who all have their respective RP groups. B tells his friends, and C, D, E and F tell their friends and so on. Trust me, it works that way.
Note it will never work if you be the one trying to get more people to condemn you or your actions. Being evil works from one side, the others must recognize you as evil, not to portray yourself as evil.
Have a clue, a motive, a backstory, a character. Never challange the fact character RP's make your story and background go deeper. Emotion, political instability and other weaknesses of your oppressive regime are all part of it. The nation you created cannot be something described in 1984. Resistance is always present everywhere at any time. You cannot make everyone love your government; look at the old and present totalitarian regimes. People flee from North Korea daily; the most oppressive regime on the world where dissing Kim Jong Ill is punished with death. Ergo, having/making one single character isn't enough. People have friends, associates, relatives... Give them a small role in your much bigger story and again, emotion is the key. Make it realistic, not every family member adores you after you kill 10 million again.
Okay, I am ready to turn to the dark side. I know what it takes and I'm in the mood to kick ass. I found a small nation who is ripe for destruction. I have a legitimate reason for war, my army is mobilized and I do not numberwank or godmod. Well, that's fun but never ever forget there are still nations who are bigger/have more allies/better equipped/better roleplayer/better strategies who love to be victorious over evil nations. You must realize action means reaction, and in most cases the reaction won't be very pleasant for you. You know, people aren't likely to support you when you go wild in someone elses domain and will support the opposing force, whatever it takes to take you down. Keep this in the back of your head: Good nations are not going to grant you mercy or letting you get away with your crimes unpunished. It's pure logic, but some people seem to forget it. Nine out of ten times nothing happens, but you never know when or where you cross the line.
Phew, that's done. Now, onto the list! This list is in random order so I'm not going to number it. Don't start moaning you want to be on top or request to be removed blah blah blah.
Automagfreek - You know him. Either love him or hate him, he deserves a place here. Genocide, rape & pillaging.
Melkor Unchained - According to many others he deserves a place here. To honest, I cannot judge about itl never took time to read his stuff.
Iesus Christi - The NationState profile Guffingford follows. Certainly deserves a place on the list. Ol' fashioned insanity.
Guffingford/Sirens of Titan* - Imperialism, genocide, randomly attacking nations, insulting random nations, defying... Well you know. Sirens of Titan is a notorious terrorist organization.
Belem - Likes nuclear weapons. Imperialism, mass murderer and hardline Christian.
The Silver Turtle (Future tech) - Same as Melkor but I do know he founded the GDODAD. Go figure.
Unified Sith/Imperial Brits** (Future tech) - If you are an experienced future tech player you must have had an encounter with him.
A small list open to improvement. Has AMF turned soft? Has Sarzonia started to execute political opponents? Do tell.

Notes:
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EDIT: Thanks to Der Angst for giving some really good input.

EDIT2: DA/VE/CM is the so called godfather of this new breed of evil nations. Certainly evil... But not enough to match AMF or Melkor or to be added to this list.

*: I'm not a real major player of evilness but in the RBA, NWO and NATO I am notorious for my crimes. Still, cannot be compared with the early '03s.
**: Same reason as above, Unified Sith is a big gun in the new generation of future tech.

I have little experience with being good, forgive me.

Here it is, the true Axis of Love! To start off rather blunt, being a recognized peace promoting nation is far more difficult than you might guess. For example, the way anti-terrorist nations acted back in Feb '04 is not the right road to peace and happiness. Attacking instead of trying diplomacy first to secure democracy? A noble cause but very, very wrong. A love state promotes life, not death. And to all the people who think diplomacy is a waste of time - Several months ago I talked a lot to Aust and Bonstock to betray their ally in a war. It worked, without fighting I heavily damaged an opponent. Just talking, asking questions to make people think about their actions, being short, to the point and powerful. Let your international broadcasts (instead of mine) contain real content, admit your mistakes and learn from them. ICly and OOCly, equally important.

DIPLOMACY PAYS OFF

Why join a war? Why fight? Why kill so many people? Boycotting a war (rarely done on NS) makes a statement from your people and your government. If you want to become a great lovestate, make sure you are an example to others. Nuanced thinking and reactions are perhaps the key to gain the reputation of being kind to everyone. An example:

Terrorist A attacked Nation B, who recently killed (zionist, christian, muslim buhddist, taosist...) brothers in arms for no reason.

Normally people would shout: DEATH TO A!!! TERRORISM IS WRONG! Now, this is wrong as well. Jumping into conclusions before reading the story makes you look like some sheep who blindly follows the masses. A nuanced nation would say: Terrorism is bad, but I do understand the motive for their actions, from what we know, nation B's attack was totally unprovoked and must be condemned as well. Again, condemning both sides creates an objective viewpoint. Also a very important point in becoming nice & friendly: do not be afraid to condemn your allies. Allies make mistakes too, be the first one to stand up for the rights of your enemy. If your ally cannot take that, he's not a real ally. It's a matter of giving and taking.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE IT: YOUR ACTIONS REFLECT YOUR PERSONALITY

You may be friendly and all, but one nation is bugging you terrible. Ever since you played this game you dislike him ICly. What stops you from talking about it? If he's not willing to comply, fine. You have shown the world you want to cease hostilities.

Some notes to keep in mind:
Provide humanitarian aid to both sides of a conflict.
Set up a funds to cure common diseases
Be helpful to nations with a weak economy
Stand up for the rights of those who are the victims of war (both ally and enemy)
The rules of engagement: Diplomacy, diplomacy, threats of a possible war, diplomacy, more serious threat, war. Always keep the option open for diplomacy.
Offer your services as a neutral place for peace talks. Neutrality in wars is also a very good idea.
Boycot wars.
Don't have a too extreme opinion about nations.
Remember: being good takes time. Diplomatic roleplays take time, be patient but you will see results.

The Axis of Love (in random order)
Independent Hitmen - always joined the "do gooder" alliances. His way of playing is quite the same as his current UN category.
Praetonia - liberal nation, ready to defend the weak.
Sarzonia - also a liberal nation, same as Praetonia in many ways
Constantinopolis - Many haven't heard from him, but he's the prototype of nice. According to my research that is.
Momanguise - Friendly nation, also a name that frequently pops up in alliances destined to save the world from people like me.
Sanctaphrax - He never declared war!
McLeod03 - Not quite sure he deserves a place, but I do remember he was one of the few to stood up for the rights of terrorists (Sirens of Titan). Certainly something that makes him different.
An even smaller list also open to improvement.

*Tag* I like the idea a lot!

A small list open to improvement. Has AMF turned soft? Has Sarzonia started to execute political opponents? Do tell. I like that especially! :D

You were the first that popped into my head when I thought about peaceloving nations. And as you have guessed, the Axis of Love is the exact opposite of the Axis of Evil.

PS: is DA deleted again?

OOC: Yup, and for good.

OOC: Yup, and for good.How come? What did he do?

And bump.

How come? What did he do?

And bump.

Something about being to graphic with writing about rape or something, the same thing you and AMF agreed on in the moderation forum was sparked by DA's deletion.

I feel for the guy, second deletion but anyway, I DO expect to be in the Axis of love! I mean, I'm the most liberal RWC nation and you guys still love me!

I would be seriously offended I was not in the Axis of Love. In fact, I think I might start to cry.

Yeah, I should be in the Axis of Love. Who hates me?

Yeah, I should be in the Axis of Love. Who hates me?

I do.

I second that.

I do.

That's mean :p

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Impressive. It always tickles me to see someone actually trying to end the massive amounts of "All People of Italian Liniage to be Executed" like threads, and replacing them with well written, comeling role plays. Kudos to you Guffingford. Is this Sticky worthy? I think there is a very distinct possibility that it is.

Impressive. It always tickles me to see someone actually trying to end the massive amounts of "All People of Italian Liniage to be Executed" like threads, and replacing them with well written, comeling role plays. Kudos to you Guffingford. Is this Sticky worthy? I think there is a very distinct possibility that it is.I hope Euroslavia adds it to his sticky on top, having your own sticky's is a rare phenomena.

You can just call me Dr. :: puts pinky to lip ::

http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/MagicCards/EDr.%20Evil.JPG

I'm surprised I didn't make it. My mass subjugations and genocides in other nations are the stuff of legend, and GICE, my secret police aren't exactly the nicest of fellows.

That's all well and good Generic but there are major differences. Following a trend or being what you want to be. For example, the nation of Holy Panooly has been a terrorist supporting since Nov 03. The new breed of evil nations have been infected by what I call the "DA virus", a sudden urge to be evil. If the Heaven terrorists were still alive or GLA, I would have added those two as well, they have always been nasty and will never change. Same holds for HP and me, I will never change.

The latest fad in NS to be genocidal; to be honest I think HP started the trend with the ethnic cleansing thread [A blast from the past, old forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=324572)] You'll see that's where I first introduced the Leighmar character, one I still use to this day. It's a long time ago, but it sparked off a trend still going on. Note this was also Sarzonia's first major RP with an established player back in the day.

Yeah the EOL doesn't do fads. Hell we never really did any genocide. Actually, come to think of it, I don't think I ever did genocide a people. Wow I feel left out.

Like the terrorist madness raging around in Dec '03 till March '04, I'm sure this will end. There was also a time when everybody (including me!) had a storefront. Actually, it was me again who brought the open sales of WMD's back in the spotlights. Anyway, the fundamental difference between the old established powers and the new ones strived to be. The (evil) powers that be cannot be kicked from the throne that easily, and that's why I think everybody tries to be even more evil than me or DA or AMF. This genocide race results in poor RP, just raising the bodycount.

Try to be more evil! Wheres the love man, wheres the love!!

*IH returns and kicks the hippies out of his house and regains control of the computer!*

Try to be more evil! Wheres the love man, wheres the love!!

*IH returns and kicks the hippies out of his house and regains control of the computer!*You know, I was and still am seriously considering of adding you to the axis of love... Scandinavian Liberal Paradise!

Like the terrorist madness raging around in Dec '03 till March '04, I'm sure this will end. There was also a time when everybody (including me!) had a storefront. Actually, it was me again who brought the open sales of WMD's back in the spotlights. Anyway, the fundamental difference between the old established powers and the new ones strived to be. The (evil) powers that be cannot be kicked from the throne that easily, and that's why I think everybody tries to be even more evil than me or DA or AMF. This genocide race results in poor RP, just raising the bodycount.

<-- still has a successful storefront:
245 total sales
24,596,236.609750 total revenue (M)
100,392.80248878 average sale (M)

OOC: Hehe, think its Left Leaning College State now isnt it? Damn thing flicks between the two!

<-- still has a successful storefront:
245 total sales
24,596,236.609750 total revenue (M)
100,392.80248878 average sale (M)Yup, started in the period I was talking about.

Left Leaning, Scandinavian... What difference does it make? RP is what matters, if the UN category played a major role then Praetonia would be an anarchy ICly.

Yes I did actually. That's an old storefront dating back to Nov '03 (signed up Oct 31 03). But at least I've carried it still so I defy it as a fad ;).

Yup, started in the period I was talking about.

Left Leaning, Scandinavian... What difference does it make? RP is what matters, if the UN category played a major role then Praetonia would be an anarchy ICly.
Exactly, which makes no sense. My nation is ultra-liberal, but that doesnt mean you can do whatever the hell you want. We're actually quite efficient at enforcing the relatively few laws we have, and we still fire into the crowd if rioters refuse to disperse... the problem with NS is it assumes you are America, and it assumes that if America did what you'd do it would do a certain thing. It doesnt really work as an RP simulator.

Bah, what a ridiculous list. If The Parthians, Doomingsland, Generic empire, Borman Empire, The Real ALM, and myself are absent from it, it is obviously not very well researched. Visit my nation and I shall show you the true definition of 'evil.'

-Generalissimo J.L.

Bah, what a ridiculous list. If The Parthians, Doomingsland, Generic empire, Borman Empire, The Real ALM, and myself are absent from it, it is obviously not very well researched. Visit my nation and I shall show you the true definition of 'evil.'

-Generalissimo J.L.
OOC: What a great advertising campaign that would make!

That's all well and good Generic but there are major differences. Following a trend or being what you want to be. For example, the nation of Holy Panooly has been a terrorist supporting since Nov 03. The new breed of evil nations have been infected by what I call the "DA virus", a sudden urge to be evil. If the Heaven terrorists were still alive or GLA, I would have added those two as well, they have always been nasty and will never change. Same holds for HP and me, I will never change.

The latest fad in NS to be genocidal; to be honest I think HP started the trend with the ethnic cleansing thread [A blast from the past, old forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=324572)] You'll see that's where I first introduced the Leighmar character, one I still use to this day. It's a long time ago, but it sparked off a trend still going on. Note this was also Sarzonia's first major RP with an established player back in the day.

Wow. I'm so offended by that even i'm surprised. Calling me unoriginal. I was corrupt as a nation from day I started NS, and there is no way, sir, that I could have joined on with any 'DA trend' since I had no idea who the Hell DA was at the time. I'll thank you to retract your previous statements.

Honestly, accusing me of taking my lessons from Decisive Action. To think.

The DA generation of evil is way different than the pre-Jan 04's. I don't care what people think of this list, I bet most of you never heard of The Silver Turtle or The Reich before. You are offended by a mere reply?

If you don't like this list or don't agree with it, fine. So be it.

Hmm...interesting. I find myself agreeing.

And you beat me to it, I was going to create a thread like this.

As I said in another thread:

Some of you guys try too hard to be evil. Evil isn't something you practice at, evil just happens.

Bah, what a ridiculous list. If The Parthians, Doomingsland, Generic empire, Borman Empire, The Real ALM, and myself are absent from it, it is obviously not very well researched.


I'm sorry to say it, and I mean no disrespect, but you guys are the Diet Coke of evil.

I'm sorry to say it, and I mean no disrespect, but you guys are the Diet Coke of evil.

OOC: Lol... thats what Guff just called me. I suppose it's true... but I think you'll find that we are just more obvious newer evil on NS and you lot are quite cheesily 'the ancient evil' per se.

Perhaps you ought to do a two tier system.

Evil

Diet-Evil

Love

Diet-Love

The evil of the players named before is just exaggerated. Every thread is about muder, death or rape. It's not realistic evil, the natural way is really the most feared one.

How about an Axis of Indifference for people who are most decidedly not in either category?

I could see myself being Caffeine Free Diet Love. As in, what's the point of drinking it? :p

Axis of Love is done. Actually, I have zero experience with being good in this game...

It's a shame a lot of these /new evil' nations were not around abck in the day when all the real juicy stuff was going down on ths site. Here's my own little list of the original evils of NS, in no real order:

Melkor Unchained: Considered to be the ultimate evil in NS. If you were around back in the day, you know why.

Iesus Christi: Makes DA (the nation, not the player) look like a daycare center.

The Resi Corporation: Makes the Umbrella Corporation look like Toys R Us.

Mallberta (Deceased): So evil it almost scared me.

The Silver Turtle: Leader of GDODAD, once the most evil alliance in the game.

The People's Anthill (Deceased): Very much like Mallberta in RP style.

Drakonian Imperium (Deceased): The mere mention of his name made people shudder.

Garrison II: Nuked several billion people at once, back when the game's largest nation was like 700 million.

These are just off the top of my head, I'll edit in more as I think of them.

These guys were old school, and they made this 'new evil' wave that we're seeing look like a bike ride. Some of them are still around, but sadly a lot of the 'old evil' nations are nothing more than a memory.

I agree with this, mine is only a bit more up to date. RB, GE and DA do not even deserve to be mentioned on an axis of evil list. Being naughty is one thing, but there's no force behind it.

DA is more known because he posts a lot and that's it. When he gets permabanned (I believe it will happen one day) he's forgotten history in a month. Some names remain, not his. I mean, even I know what Garrison II did years ago, shows the impact of what he has done. Me myself, I'm not really hellbent on earning a place on such a list. If it happens, nice. If not, I wouldn't stay awake all night thinking what I could do to improve my reputation.

OCC:

I completely Agree with this list, There are a few Nations still missing that need to be Added here and there, I am surprised that Guff didn't use this List to add me, but that’s only a Feud between us, and most Nations like me because i am very Central on things.

Also, What about Russian Forces? he has done some terrible things in his time.

Dr_Twist.

I don't really know about RF. You'll have TG me some stuff, if it hasn't been purged away. Like I said in the beginning, many people use such lists to vent their anger at certain nations, which is something I ain't gonna do in here.

I could have added the whole RBA, NATO, NWO, TEOO. Biased and completely false OOCly, but true in my IC perspective.

I don't really know about RF. You'll have TG me some stuff, if it hasn't been purged away. Like I said in the beginning, many people use such lists to vent their anger at certain nations, which is something I ain't gonna do in here.

I could have added the whole RBA, NATO, NWO, TEOO. Biased and completely false OOCly, but true in my IC perspective.

RF was notorious for gassing civilians back when WMD use was OMG! taboo.

RF was notorious for gassing civilians back when WMD use was OMG! taboo.

He Gassed Millions of ADK citizens back in the day, I was involved in those War's, however i never used WMD's or did anything like putting Civilians in camps like RF did. RF flattened town by Town, even doing mass Graves. Rather Brutal back then, all i did was aid him in Defense. Was good fun those days though.

Bah, what a ridiculous list. If The Parthians, Doomingsland, Generic empire, Borman Empire, The Real ALM, and myself are absent from it, it is obviously not very well researched.
I mean this in a polite way, but you guys are rather 2 dimensional and unintelligent. People aren't just evil for the sake of it. if you look back through history, everyone who committed terrible acts we remember thought they were doing good. Even Hitler, in his twisted mind, as far as anyone can tell honestly believed what he was doing was right. I dont see the world as 2 dimensionally as being good or evil just for the sake of it.

Therefore I take exception somewhat to being on this list. Praetonia is an "Old Europe" state, and will support anyone for as long as it furthers her national interest. True, our laws are very liberal, but we actually dont help the weak because it's the nice thing to do, only ever because it will further our own goals.

(...)And the here we have arrived at the central point of all evil nations. Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and all the other insane regimes were convinced they were right and all the others wrong. RB & co are just evil be evil, lacking a reason. If you look at my nation (could have been any of the really nasty nations) you clearly see there's a driving force behind the madness. Mine is nazism, religion, hatred and love.

Congrats Guff should be a syicky. You've got the right nation's on the list, i still rember all those actions, though maybe HLF should be on it as well.

If he was more active, I would certainly have add him under a section of terrorism. I believe terrorists and evil nations are two seperate categories, shame there are only three of those still alive. Guerrillistan (Guerrillistani Jihad), Sirens of Titan and The HLF. The list would be made up of those three.

And about the Real ALM as a terrorist: he doesn't even come near to what SoT, HLF or GLA have done in the past.

People aren't just evil for the sake of it. if you look back through history, everyone who committed terrible acts we remember thought they were doing good. Even Hitler, in his twisted mind, as far as anyone can tell honestly believed what he was doing was right. I don't see the world as two dimensionally as being good or evil just for the sake of it.Therein lies the rub. If I suddenly decided to make a heel turn and go on a murderous rampage of all anti-gay nations, I would do it with the idea being that I'm fighting for rights for homosexuals, but the methods for my doing so would be heinous (attacking any country who plans genocide against gays, threatening the soverignty of any country who even considers an anti-gay bill, etc). Perhaps I could go invade a Christian (or other devoutly religious nation) country for "pushing its morals on other countries."

The crux of the above is to suggest that in my mind, I'd be doing good, but killing millions or billions of people to advance my goals would label me as deserving of being in a list such as the Axis of Evil.

As for my being on the list, there are reasons I RP as a peace-preferring nation. Having said that, I also try to ensure that if I have to let loose the dogs of war, they can go in and maul ass like anyone short of AMF. It's why I say that you don't deter enemies through disarmament; you deter them by scaring the shit out of them.

It's why I say that you don't deter enemies through disarmament; you deter them by scaring the shit out of them.


Amen to that! 'Tis my mantra you know. ;)


Being evil is like being a hero. Nobody ever asks to be one, but you more or less earn the title through your deeds. Those who do ask to be a hero (or evil, as the topic of this thread goes), are merely doing it for recognition and the proverbial pat on the back.

Woooooo Love yeah!!!!

Btw, what do you mean by my way of playing? If you have time :P

I used to be good, brutal but good; for the sake of all humanity; and now I'm evil through my deeds and my worship of dark, terrible and infernal gods of Chaos

Woooooo Love yeah!!!!

Btw, what do you mean by my way of playing? If you have time :PIt's just something... I don't really know. Always trying to oppose me or just being good. I never really saw you declaring war over trivialities, just being patient and waiting until a good oppertunity passes by.

I agree with the hero comparison. You are classed evil by others; you cannot class yourself as evil.

I agree with the hero comparison. You are classed evil by others; you cannot class yourself as evil.


I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse......we've agreed several times in the past couple of days.......

It's just something... I don't really know. Always trying to oppose me or just being good. I never really saw you declaring war over trivialities, just being patient and waiting until a good oppertunity passes by.

I agree with the hero comparison. You are classed evil by others; you cannot class yourself as evil.
OOC: Heh i suppose so, war should not be undertaken lightly
(i think thats my time in the school cadets coming through as several of the instructors were in the Falklands + Both Desert Storms, and would talk about it sometimes.)

I am however trying to find a good RP atm, so i might be forced into a war! heh

I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse......we've agreed several times in the past couple of days.......I am thinking exactly the same. Something bad is going to happen.

woot I made the list.

Damn I need more people for my Axis of Love. There's a serious lack of love in II

I'm a member of RB and co. and I don't like what you're saying. I don't do evil to be evil, as you say it comes naturally. I’m in a lot of RPs with GE, RB, doom, and Parthians. From what I see we just user evil naturally. It's a way to control and it makes your armies seem so much more invincible. I only care about the people of my nation and my allies. I've only seen one or two AMF RPs and I have done things worse than he did in that. I don't think you've actually seen any of our 'diet Coke of Evil' RPs, yet you feel you have the ability to say that AMF is one hundred gazillion time more Evil.

I know GE took offence to that because you were saying he was trying to follow a fad and be evil just because it was cool. He is evil just because he is, that’s how he wants to RP and he will never willingly join the good side. I seem to get the impression you are also saying that being evil means you will still be evil after the ‘evil trend’ is over; and I assure you RB and co. will. I was doing evil before reading a single AMF, DA, or Guff post.

I'm sorry to say it, and I mean no disrespect, but you guys are the Diet Coke of evil.

Creative, but not true.

I know I haven't been in NS for as long as AMF or other ancients, but Borman, you've only been here since August! You haven't been around long enough to see exactly what AMF and others did.

Another thing I've noticed is that it seems like "back in the day" people got away with a lot because people let them.

Nowadays if anyone tries nuking billions or gassing civilians people yell godmode and immediately ignore the person. I'd like to see some more of the old stuff. I'm up for it.

I know I haven't been in NS for as long as AMF or other ancients, but Borman, you've only been here since August! You haven't been around long enough to see exactly what AMF and others did.

I've heard stories, honestly an AMF story kinda got me interested in NS.

And on who people got away with stuff, I do lots of what you mentioned; but not alot of people know my name so I get away with it.

OCC: Eh what the hell is this? Axis of evil and love eh? Lol i would have pointed out the country's ADK, Pure Evil or Imperial Forces, but its a pity many of us old farts have died out while some live one terrorising or being some peace keeper as usual.

Being mean is not enough. You know, the weekly "I gas/kill/slaughter/butcher stereotype X" to serve II with it's portion of genocide. In NationStates everything is bigger. Ten million is a joke, nobody takes you serious or treats you as a real nasty person that way. When I was young I was quite fond of myself when I killed 23 million people, which is nothing. Think of Garrison II who nuked one billion(?) people to kingdom come roughly two years ago and you get the idea of "evil" in nationstates.It is worth noting that Garrison II did something along the following lines:

"Ok. There's a region threatening my alliance. Now, I can do two things. 1. I can deal with it, and try to RP a reasonably huge conflict with lots of plots and character development and epic battles OR I can just go and say 'OMFG I N00KZ YUO!!!!11 thus claiming to have killed several billion people, despite this being the pinnacle of bad RP. Oh, I know, I will do the latter."

It's laughable, not evil.

(Amusingly enough, the same goes for threads along the lines of 'Death sentence of $Innocent_Child stealing a piece of gum!!!11' (As seen here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395364).) Quite simply because this threads SCREAM 'RAWR! GIMME ATTENTION! POST! THREATEN! INVADE AND BE CRUSHED!!!11')

Furthermore, you're right. Killing 10 mio people of $Minority is a joke. However, this is not because they are so few. This is because they are so many. I'm very sorry for the egos of RAWR! NPC GENOCIDE! players I'm currently trampling on, but just saying 'Hey, I kill a couple million people of $Minority who were, of course, completely unaware of my plans, (Occasional Add- On: 'And, despite compulsory gun ownership in my nation, completely unarmed') since the majority of my people never did ill against them, UNTIL I DECIDED I AM EVIL!!!11' ain't gonna impress anyone.

Oh, or the popular alternative 'I am persecuting and oppressing them for ages, and they DIDN'T LEAVE AND DIDN'T TRY TO RESIST BECAUSE THEY'RE OMFG ST00PID!!!11', which is equally ridiculous.

Or, the funniest alternative 'All this people take part in my economy and help me rising my GDP due to slave labour, and they still manage to be VERY LOYAL and VERY CONVINCED of me as a leader with a VERY LONG PENIS!'.
This does, of course, lead to the ludicrousness of 'I oppress EVERYONE! but they are still VERY LOYAL!', which is possibly the most common (And most riduculous) version we can see in this beautiful forums.

It's sad, not impressive.

Commit your genocide in another nation. [...]
[list]
Successful Invasion
Strong presence
Established base
Means of escape
Means to cover up evidence
Methods of effective genocideContrary to killing in your own nation only takes one single post.You know, I do find it mildly amusing that you forgot to add a reason for invasion. You know, you could prolly try to have a culture and a backstory explaining just why you are what you are. Ya'know, it makes you look so much better than just trying (and failing) to be evil... It's the major thing most wannabe evils don't get. They effectively write their posts in ways that suggest their leaders know ICly that they are evil, rather than a prophet of a great future. And this does, again, lead to being laughed at.

Oh, and writing your very own genocide in your very own nation in one post is not possiblyewhen you want to have, say, a story, or actual roleplay. Try the Ten Page Alternative (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341043).

Okay, I am ready to turn to the dark side. I know what it takes and I'm in the mood to kick ass. I found a small nation who is ripe for destruction, my army is mobilized and I do not numberwank or godmod.Going RAWR! I KILL SMALL NATION ain't gonna help you (Especially when having aforementioned lack of a reason.) And then there's the problem of said small victim not necessarily accepting a Drum Godsresque 'I R INVADEZ YUO' wank. I mean, why should it accept you fapping all over it? Perhaps it wants a story? A story including more than 'RAR! I GENOCIDE YUO!' that is. Oh, and you should be careful. I recall AMF losing a lot of respect due to his New Sparta invasion (He got in back in II, but still), which was exactly this kind of scenario. With the difference that AMF actually had a reason to invade, and as such managed to look less ludicrous than what you would look like when going through with this.

Melkor Unchained - Never really read any of his work but what I have heard is enough to put him here.I guess you should read it, then? Or are you just pulling names out of your ass in order to make this list look great? (Amusingly enough, you will note that Melkor does not even remotely follow your 'tips')
Iesus Christi - The NationState profile Guffingford follows. Certainly deserves a place on the list. Ol' fashioned insanity.I find it quite amusing that you mention IC, given that there are some things IC doesn't do despite you finding it smart. Lets say... claiming to kill $Randomnumber of $Minority. He doesn't mention numbers because it isn't necessary. Oh, and amazingly enough, IC has a backstory and a culture (Hey, even actual Characters) actually explaining its reasons, rather than just going 'RAWR! I WANT!'
Decisive Action/Communist Mississippi/VoteEarly - Racism & racism. You know, DA. Posts alot, everybody in II most have heard from him.Mildly amusing at best, given that his society isn't evil but his personal Mary Sue of a nation.
The Silver Turtle (Future tech) - Never read any of his work but he founded the GDODAD. Go figure.Once again I find it amazing that you're mentioning names you know nothing about, apart from them 'being there'. If you want examples, search for them.

Now... what could you mention instead of this rather, shall we say, well, wrong list?

Well, lets try 'evil' nations that have

1. A Backstory
2. Characters
3. A Culture.

and last but not least 4. Actually RP the problems an 'evil' regime has, rather than just wanking their supermilitarism of d00m.

Oh, and possibly regimes who, despite all their seemingly... Well, not exactly 'nice' nature are balanced, with their people not being based on two (And *only* two) kinds of people: 1. the helpless victims and 2. the cruel bastards.

There's space between, ya'know.

Thus, I strongly suggest egosearching for Eurusea (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=232894) or, alternatively, Iraqstan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=232693).

That's what I would consider serious and quite admirable 'evil' nation RP.

Villiapange would love to become a member of the Axis of Love.
~Foreign Affairs Vice President Monsieur Breaux C. Jamerson

OOC: very nicely done Guffingford,

What if i was a terrorist nation? If i can't be tracked to well then chances are that any major do gooders couldn't find me...lol.

I think that this thread is something that with a bit of work more to would be very Pinable!

Sanctaphrax is good, we join practically every good alliance around. We have never declared war, yet are quick to come to our allies aid when it is requested. We think we deserve to be on the Axis of Love. We're have equal rights for everyone, gays, blacks, all religions and races are equal. Democratic with no particular political affiliation, yet still quite left wing.

(...)Excellent addition, will be added.

*Axis of Evil* updated.

What about me? Nobody's more deserving of a Axis of Love spot than me! :(

Because it's you

Drakonian Imperium (Deceased): The mere mention of his name made people shudder.

OOC: I think you mean here Drak's alter ego Covar Corp (sp?). The Imperium was a nation of goody-two shoes. And who shuddered when "The Drakonian Imperium" was mentioned?

OOC: I think you mean here Drak's alter ego Covar Corp (sp?). The Imperium was a nation of goody-two shoes. And who shuddered when "The Drakonian Imperium" was mentioned?


Quite a few people acutally, I hope we're talking about the same Drakonian Imperium here. And I was unaware that Covar was Drak's alter ego.

I hope Euroslavia adds it to his sticky on top, having your own sticky's is a rare phenomena.Unless you're Euro. :p

I put a link to this thread in a post on Euro's Guide to NS thread. Hope he'll add it.

I'm a member of RB and co. and I don't like what you're saying. I don't do evil to be evil, as you say it comes naturally. I’m in a lot of RPs with GE, RB, doom, and Parthians. From what I see we just user evil naturally. It's a way to control and it makes your armies seem so much more invincible. I only care about the people of my nation and my allies. I've only seen one or two AMF RPs and I have done things worse than he did in that. I don't think you've actually seen any of our 'diet Coke of Evil' RPs, yet you feel you have the ability to say that AMF is one hundred gazillion time more Evil.

I know GE took offence to that because you were saying he was trying to follow a fad and be evil just because it was cool. He is evil just because he is, that’s how he wants to RP and he will never willingly join the good side. I seem to get the impression you are also saying that being evil means you will still be evil after the ‘evil trend’ is over; and I assure you RB and co. will. I was doing evil before reading a single AMF, DA, or Guff post.
To be honest, I wasn't talking about you and GE when I said your nations were 2 dimensional and unintelligent. I was really talking about Doominslang's nation, Parthian's nation and RB's nation, and yes I have read the RPs. I mean look at this one:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395752

It says it all in the title - Hippies and Liberals put to Death for no Good Reason. It has one half decent post by Doom, and then it goes into a load of 1 - 2 line posts saying something like "OMG liberals deserve lfe too I think u should stp ur genocide" or "Yey! her are some more liberals for u". Meh. Maybe I'm just a wisened and embittered old... well not really old... RPer who's sick of the "Nation x commits y atrocity" Rps that seemed to be the sum total of what happened in NS for about a month not so long ago.

Quite a few people acutally, I hope we're talking about the same Drakonian Imperium here. And I was unaware that Covar was Drak's alter ego.

OOC: Er....okay. I wasn't aware that the Drakonian Imperium ever played the bad guy role.

OCC: I think all of these old superpowers have a backstory and are worth recognition for their evil efforts. AMF in particular focus's alot on his characters as i notice and types up frickin 1000 word essays often lol.

Iesus christi has done some very fanatical things. He especially deserves recognition.

But i wonder when you categorize this "Axis of Evil" do you mean by ideology, actions or disruptive to the international community?

TAGged for interest :D

OOC: I do feel left out, in the sense that all the GOOD stuff happened long before I joined.

Speaking of which, when WAS the last time something "GOOD" has happened?

TAGged for interest :D

OOC: I do feel left out, in the sense that all the GOOD stuff happened long before I joined.

Speaking of which, when WAS the last time something "GOOD" has happened?

OOC: "Good" is kind of subjective since it depends on what people you roleplay with. Something "good" in your circle may go unnoticed on the boards due to the fact that quite a few roleplayers focus on certain other roleplayers to keep their own "universe" or "timeline" somewhat coherant. This means that some roleplayers receive an inordinant amount of attention.

And the fact remains evil deeds are remembered more easily than good ones :)

And the fact remains evil deeds are remembered more easily than good ones :)
Yep, everyone rembers HLF nuking 100 million of his own citizens to kill 1000 Credonian paratroopers, but who rembers the Axis of Good?

OCC: Heh and im the grandfather of communism. Guff i thought you distrust me, im amazed im not in your "axis of evil"

Maybe you need to start up your list of axis of reds

OOC: When I said "good", what I actually meant was, "the FUN stuff", you know, all that BIG stuff that I missed? Such as nuking 5 billion people at once. So really, my question was "When was the last time something BIG has happened?"

OCC: Heh and im the grandfather of communism. Guff i thought you distrust me, im amazed im not in your "axis of evil"

Maybe you need to start up your list of axis of redsIf I made this thread ICly I would have added the whole RBA, NATO and NWO. This thread is meant to be a good guide to be evil or good, not some biased piece of blah blah blah propaganda.

OOC: When I said "good", what I actually meant was, "the FUN stuff", you know, all that BIG stuff that I missed? Such as nuking 5 billion people at once. So really, my question was "When was the last time something BIG has happened?"You consider the insta- nuking of several billion people good?

That is, you would accept suddenly finding a thread in which a Dec. 02 nation with delusions of grandeur nukes you as retaliation for some vague statements and a few diplomatic communiques?

And by 'nuking' I mean

"Today, the Empire decided that the fools of The Plutonian Empire (I know, I know. Lets just assume you're an earth nation) need to be teached a lesson.

Thus, in order to spread the Glory of the Great and Invincible Empire, we launched $Amount_Of_Missiles at them. Their countryside will be devastated within the next twenty minutes. Have a nice day."

ooc: Post your losses.Would you really enjoy such a thing?

Face it. The 'Good old times' weren't any better than what we see, well, now. Different, yes. Better? No.

You consider the insta- nuking of several billion people good?

That is, you would accept suddenly finding a thread in which a Dec. 02 nation with delusions of grandeur nukes you as retaliation for some vague statements and a few diplomatic communiques?

And by 'nuking' I mean

Would you really enjoy such a thing?

Face it. The 'Good old times' weren't any better than what we see, well, now. Different, yes. Better? No.
Yeah, you're right. My bad. *embarrased*

OOC: Didn't Hogsweat Nuke his own nation in one RP with hundreds of ICBMs? Can't remember the point of it, but anyway...

and the time when a terrorist nation threatened to destory the ice caps..hahaha.

Unfortunatly he just got ignored by most people.

i think people shouldn't be classed like this really, if you see someone RPing it shouldn't take long to see what they are like, and anyway, i may be kind one day, giving aid to a million orphans in an enemy nation, thats good, but the next day be killing 5million of my own population for an uprising...am i good or am i evil? It was a different person who did the first and second thing...lol.

I should be in the Axis of Love! This is because I:

Have only ever fought one war of aggresion, although I have helped my allies a couple of times.

Have never committed genocide, or for that matter capital punishment

Have nukes, but not building any more

In war I do not use: napalm, dum-dums or other such ammunition, chemical/biological weapons, land-mines which cannot be cleared after the war is over by remote control or other similar devices, carpet-bombing tactics, torture, or mass killing of civilians

I founded the (sadly short-lived) World Humanitarian League

I am in two alliances: the International and the Woodstock Pact. Either of them evil? No? Thought not.

I'm sending Guffingford humanitarian aid despite hating almost all of their policies!

Unlike so many nations, I have never used WMDs

Good enough?

Non-lethal ICBM. And the point to that is?

Non-lethal ICBM. And the point to that is?

OOC: When you really want to be the laughing stock of NS. That's the only answer I can come up with.

ooc: Its kind of like a giant tear-gas thing for long-range attacks. Although if I get sufficient backlash like this, it will be consigned to the failed project basement. I don't get why it is unreasonable though: the Americans had projects for several types of non-lethal bomb.

ooc: Its kind of like a giant tear-gas thing for long-range attacks. Although if I get sufficient backlash like this, it will be consigned to the failed project basement. I don't get why it is unreasonable though: the Americans had projects for several types of non-lethal bomb.

1. There's no way to determine what warhead an ICBM is carrying after launch; therefore, it's highly unlikely anyone would assume it was a 'non-lethal' warhead; since nuclear retaliation scenarios generally involve deploying the reprisal strike before the initial strike even impacts you'd get levelled over a stack of CS gas.

2. Nonlethal weapons are used in either crowd control or to decrease the combat ability of troops you're about to engage; throwing a nonlethal weapon thousands of miles is completely pointless because you have no ability to follow up on it. At best you'd mildly inconveniance a military or civil target for a few hours with the payload, and after that one time they'd issue gas masks to the civilian population and your missiles would be totally useless.

Nonlethal bombs are useful because they can be deployed by aircraft in support of advancing infantry; unless you can advance 3,500 miles in an hour the same can't be said of your ICBM.

3. Also, the missile body, a heavy metal casing reentering at $many times the speed of sound, would most certainly not be 'non-lethal,' it'd likely do some fairly significant damage to whatever it hit.

ooc: Thanks, GMC. You probably just posted all the things that I forgot to think about. And so, it is time for the tear gas ICBM to be lowered into the recycling machine.
Unfortunately, that is one less reason why I should be in the Axis of Love.

OOC: I added this thread to my Emporium of Helpful Threads.

Thanks :)

Watch out Guff, gona comit genocide in another country, enslave some kids and rape a bunch o' women.

Not something you'd expect from me right? ;)

OOC: No problem. Great job on this thread.

For some reason i feel the need to BUMP this.

Why Independent Hitmen, how kind of you!