NationStates Jolt Archive

The Balrogga Empire wishes to announce the technological breakthrough that will turn the tides in the recent hostilities between GZ and some ESUS members. According to rumor and various battlefield information GZ claims to possess and use some sort of Superstring Disruptor, or SD

We have sent in several stealth craft to alanyize this threat and after viewing the effects of the weapon we have decided to take action.

Because we do not wish our allies to suffer any unneeded causalities we have decided to use our technological knowledge and skills to develop a defense system that will nullify this threat.

Because of this we would like to announce the completion of our research. We would like to announce the ROQ Shield.

The Random Occurrence Quantum Shield, or ROQ for short, establishes a field around the ship that interacts with his SD and forces the randomness of Quantum Mechanics into the operations of his systems. It basically causes the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to go into overdrive. The SD would only have one chance to hit and the closer it comes to operating, the less accurate it will become.

In Theory this device should completely nullify the SD. We have already added it to all our ships in the case of a chance encounter.

The Empire would like to offer this technology to all ESUS members and Allies of The Balrogga Empire. We would like to withhold the rights to market the product so it would stay in friendly hands.

The units will be sold at cost to all active members of ESUS and other allies.

We are completely confident this product will work against the SD, besides everyone knows ROQ beats Scissors any day.


Please Note:

The price of 100 billion has been established as the value for production rights, or the trade of a simular value production rights.

OOC: Interesting. A nation with a background where they have an excellent understanding of Quantum mechanics, to the extent they can use it in almost every device they can create. Great website by the way, I can see it having some influence in the factbook and (possible) website I may create for my own nation. And good use of plausible theory.

IC:

Superstring disruption is theoretically some of the powerful weapons in the universe, up there with Quantum based weapons and gravity mechanics, Singularity based devices and Graviton technology. Given that, it seems ... risky to place your faith in such a device without combat testing against unpredictable enemy forces. Nevertheless, if your calculations are anything like ours, the device should work handsomley. Futhermore, this will obviously further your own quantum research, and allow natural progression to the direct application of Quantum weapons to take the place of your ships based weaponry.

We wish ESUS, and Balrogga's efforts luck in using this device to counteract the power of Superstring mechanics, and in the perfection process of improving upon this technology, should such innovation be needed.

Dr Johannes Ailbek - Head of Xenonian Science division.

OOC: I like it, sounds like it could be a huge advantage.

I wish I was as good with Quantum Mechanics, as I only use it for weapons and power sources.

As the Foremost leader in Temporal Mechanics and subquantum physics, the Temporal Research Commission does in fact agree with the calculations made by Balrogga and have seen this device in action. Any potential buyers can rest assured that this device does have merit and can prevent any manipulation or separation of vital strands of String or Superstring material. We honor this, even to the fact of placing an order for the production rights ourselves to prevent yet another nation from being able to try to screw with us in ways we deem, an irritant. We, the Senior Directorate of Indra Prime do suggest that nations one and all buy this magnificent device to install where ever you can imagine.

*Wires 50 Billion now, will wire the rest when the production plans have been recieved*

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*Throws the Calibi-Yau shape disruption field out the window*

Evil...

Absolutely evil...

I finally find a weapon capable of such wonderous destruction, and it is counteracted. Damnable fates of hell. I curse thee, Balrogga, and I assure you that I will not be stopped.

But I do wish you would have RPed your stealth ships... As I am bound by Kanuckistan to RP my disection of his ship, and I was unable to study a Shivan nanite because I did not RP its capture, I would have much liked to have been notified of your attempt. I will accept your shields, of course, because otherwise, would any of my String-Disrupting technology be held seriously?

Although, I wouldn't mind a scuffle between a ship of yours and one of mine...

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Oh, and, by the way, my String Disruptor operates on a macro-sort of scale, turning regular three dimensional space into eleven dimensional space, thereby uncurling the strings. When the weapon field is deactivated, the strings return to their original states, however, they are no longer adhered to each other to form energy or matter, essentially disappating the ship into its component strings.

In this mechanic of the weapon, which is only one of my ideas for operation, I do not see how this field would counteract any production of the field, as the field would be over a much larger area than the ship, and would be unable to miss...

Just a concern.

Hate to break it to you GZ, but normal three dimensional space as you call it is actually n dimensions and cannot be changed. No matter what you do, the string weapon does not convert, add, or subtract dimensions to a particular level of SpaceTime.

You've been IndraOwned. :)

Oh, and *noted* for the fact that I already purchased this technology on the ESUS boards, but It's nice to have a record on the main boards.

My pardons. The divice uncurls the higher dimensions, thereby uncurling the strings themselves. Happy?

Actually, Superstrings are a bit more than that.

According to the Ramanujan Function, Superstrings exist in a dual nature. They are both 10th dimensional (lower energy) and 26th dimensional (higher energy). This means you would have a bit more to unravel than three or four you mentioned.

Furthermore. when the universe was fairly new, the lower energy universe was in a state of False Vacuum, meaning a false lower state of rest. The 10 dimensional space undergone something called Tunneling. Since the universe was unstable it underwent a Phase Transition and the lower four tunneled, causing a “split” of the 10 dimensional space into two, a 4 dimensional and a 6 dimensional block. This is why physicist such as Kaluza-Klein could not find the 5th dimension they theorized existed in 1919. This split occurred at about 10 ^-43 seconds after the Big Bang.

I am not certain “uncurling” a superstring would be possible. The reason I say this is:

“As a string moves in space-time, it executes a complicated set of motions. The string can, in turn, break into smaller strings or collide with other strings to form longer strings.”

This quote can be found on page 154 of Hyperspace by Michio Kaku. All the other data I have used is also found within this book and the two books by Stephen Hawking titled A Brief History of Time, and Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays.

From data gathered from these three sources your Superstring Disruptor could not work, but since this is not a Real game I am assuming you discovered a way to make it work.

I can accept this and I do admit I should have RP the scouting. We can let the past settle and look forward to the future. This will be a most interesting encounter I agree.

*shudders* I don't think I've so much pseudoscience since the last time I visited Kent Hovind's site. All this talk of superstrings and quantum weaponry, the latest catch phrases in the layman physicists book, being used to justify uberweapons as if the word "quantum" suddenly makes anything possible.

It doesn't. At anything beyond the sub-atomic scale, quantum mechanics turns into classical mechanics. Ans quess what, Superstrings are sub-atomic. Not only that, I have yet to hear of any emprical evidence of them, unlike Quntum mechanical effects.

And Xenonier, gravity is the weakes fundamental force. It would make a piss poor choice as a weapon. And you can't generate gravity without mass. And starships don't have enough mass to created even the smalles bit of damage from gravity.

I remember that quote... I'm not finished with the book yet, however. I also remember reading of the split of the dimensional worlds. However, like Xessmithia stated, there is no proof of the split. YAY!

So, I'll just continue on in my false beliefs that we're in an 11 dimensional universe...

No, seriously, I'll work on it...

*shudders* I don't think I've so much pseudoscience since the last time I visited Kent Hovind's site. All this talk of superstrings and quantum weaponry, the latest catch phrases in the layman physicists book, being used to justify uberweapons as if the word "quantum" suddenly makes anything possible.

It doesn't. At anything beyond the sub-atomic scale, quantum mechanics turns into classical mechanics. Ans quess what, Superstrings are sub-atomic. Not only that, I have yet to hear of any emprical evidence of them, unlike Quntum mechanical effects.

And Xenonier, gravity is the weakes fundamental force. It would make a piss poor choice as a weapon. And you can't generate gravity without mass. And starships don't have enough mass to created even the smalles bit of damage from gravity.

OOC: However, in Nationstates, reality and The Impossible blur. I've seen some rather uber gravity weapons, and I'm merely going on what occurs in Nationstates, where we have psychic abilities, Superstring theory in a seven million pop nation with no background, n00b nukewars and so on.

If this was all real science and serious "it's not real or possible, you can't have it", I'd edit the post. But considering just about every possible "law" or "theory" humankind has ever come up with has been broken open in Nationstates, I'm merely commenting on what others have as weaponry, whether it be realistic or not.

We are completely confident this product will work against the SD, besides everyone knows ROQ beats Scissors any day.



OOC: ooooh.... with pun fallout alone this should be a workable defense system.... :D

OOC: May I ask if you're going to be using this in the Second Shivan war?

...We are completely confident this product will work against the SD, besides everyone knows ROQ beats Scissors any day...
Now that was funny! Perfectly done, used logic and science without getting bizzare or too twisted out of reality-ulike a friend of mine but that is neither here nor there. Well actually it is there as in his house but not there as in where he is not..... Okay maybe I should go to bed now.

OOC: May I ask if you're going to be using this in the Second Shivan war?

Only as a defense against the SD. I don't even know if GZ has joined in the squable.

No, I have not become involved in the Second Shivan War. We are aware of the conflict, however, we do not wish to face the consequences of another engagement with the Shivans. Although we are confident our Shivan Hunter cruisers are more than a match for any Shivan vessel, we have no motivation to become involved. However, should any nation, ESUS or not, request assistance, we would be happy to oblidge. As most everyone is aware, the Shivans are a mortal enemy of the UFGZ, and we have vowed revenge against them for their murder at Normandeicht.

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My SDs are not scissors. More like atom-smashers...

*shudders* I don't think I've so much pseudoscience since the last time I visited Kent Hovind's site. All this talk of superstrings and quantum weaponry, the latest catch phrases in the layman physicists book, being used to justify uberweapons as if the word "quantum" suddenly makes anything possible.

It doesn't. At anything beyond the sub-atomic scale, quantum mechanics turns into classical mechanics. Ans quess what, Superstrings are sub-atomic. Not only that, I have yet to hear of any emprical evidence of them, unlike Quntum mechanical effects.

And Xenonier, gravity is the weakes fundamental force. It would make a piss poor choice as a weapon. And you can't generate gravity without mass. And starships don't have enough mass to created even the smalles bit of damage from gravity.


Gravity is only an effect of the warping of Space-Time, according to Riemann Geometry, Einstein, etc. A mass of matter, or condensed energy, can warp the STC and create the effects of gravity. Thus, a divice which could warp the STC by other means than Mass would cause gravitational effects.

Gravity is only an effect of the warping of Space-Time, according to Riemann Geometry, Einstein, etc. A mass of matter, or condensed energy, can warp the STC and create the effects of gravity. Thus, a divice which could warp the STC by other means than Mass would cause gravitational effects.

Yes, I know what gravity is thank you. However how does this dull my point that starships simply don't have enough mass/energy to create any significant space-time warp. And besides, you still need mass to warp space-time.

And even then that still doesn't change the fact that gravity is weak!

Actually, you do NOT need mass to warp space/time. All you need is something that bridges space and time together, ie a wormhole or such. The height of spatial and temporal instability can cause an indentation in the fabric of space/time without the need for massive gravity. Granted, Mass is the most common form of spatial fabric indentation, there are other causes.

OOC/IC: Meh, screw all the techobabble, I'm just thankful to Balrogga for sharing this wonderful technology. *snuggles ROQ data disc*

Actually, you do NOT need mass to warp space/time. All you need is something that bridges space and time together, ie a wormhole or such. The height of spatial and temporal instability can cause an indentation in the fabric of space/time without the need for massive gravity. Granted, Mass is the most common form of spatial fabric indentation, there are other causes.

Nice technobabble. How about you back it up with some evidence. I have yet to see anything other than mass, toroidal black holes and the like, being used to create a wormhole.

The only other thing I can think of is negative energy. However that violates all sorts of stuff so I don't rank it to high.

TAG for a possible future tech puppet

Nice technobabble. How about you back it up with some evidence. I have yet to see anything other than mass, toroidal black holes and the like, being used to create a wormhole.

The only other thing I can think of is negative energy. However that violates all sorts of stuff so I don't rank it to high.

Tis not technobabble, tis the field in which I work. I am a theoretical physicist. As every person is well aware, wormholes are still just theory. However, current calculations indicate that similar to black holes, wormholes create an indentation in the fabric of space/time yet they, unlike blackholes, do not have any necessary mass, as they are vorticies of energy, and posible arced superstring material. Despite this, obvious difference, when objects are in the wormhole equivalent of the Schwarzschild radius, or in layman's terms the distance from the event horizon in which the gravitational forces are inescapable, they are pulled in through the event horizon by immense gravitational forces which therefore, leads us to the conclusion that the surrounding space/time has been bent due to the presence of a wormhole, something made out of total energy.

Tis not technobabble, tis the field in which I work. I am a theoretical physicist. As every person is well aware, wormholes are still just theory. However, current calculations indicate that similar to black holes, wormholes create an indentation in the fabric of space/time yet they, unlike blackholes, do not have any necessary mass, as they are vorticies of energy, and posible arced superstring material. Despite this, obvious difference, when objects are in the wormhole equivalent of the Schwarzschild radius, or in layman's terms the distance from the event horizon in which the gravitational forces are inescapable, they are pulled in through the event horizon by immense gravitational forces which therefore, leads us to the conclusion that the surrounding space/time has been bent due to the presence of a wormhole, something made out of total energy.

I have my doubts on your credentials, and the fact that you mention them first in your reply tells me you're trying to appeal to authority. Not a good technique to use.

Anyway I asked for evidence and I got a short essay. How about you link or reference some material so I may look it up for mysely rather than being forced to take your word for it.

And didn't I mention the negative energy thing? A category in which a wormhole would fit in. And as you mentioned, it is purely theoritical, having no empirical backing whatsoever at the moment. So I feel safe saying that the only thing that can warp space-time is mass with our current understanding of physics.

You can doubt me all you want, but it still doesnt change the fact that I am what I am. You want evidence? Go pick up a few books on the subject.

Unveiling the Edge of Time: Black Holes, White Holes and Wormholes by John Gribbin

or

The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene

or

Hyperspace by Michio Kaku

Any one of these books well give you a further understanding of the theories that are being currently worked on. Perhaps you should read up on the Unified Field Theory, which explains that the Quantum Physics and Spatiotemporal physics that a wormhole is based, cannot and will not follow our "current understanding of physics" as you put it. I never said that I completely 100% understand the physics of it myself, indeed thats what makes me a Theoretical Physicist. I study aspects of science that border the edge of science/science fiction. At one point flying through the air was considered science fiction. At one point in time going to the moon was considered science fiction. Just because you dont like something and it may not coencide with the Laws of Thermodynamics, doesnt mean that the possibility wont ever exist. I can tell you, the Laws of Thermodynamics are NOT 100% immutable. Still, I cannot fault you for falling back onto the basic physics that is tought to most schools these days. In fact thats what I expect. What needs to happen is that people need to keep an open mind about the possibilities that are endless. When you see everything and you know everything, then come back and tell me that it cant be done. But until then, perhaps instead of questioning others and having them go get the information for you, perhaps you should do it yourself and learn something in the process.

Thank you for the list of books.

I will not stop questioning others however, nor will I stop asking for references. People, myself included, can learn from that as well. I also keep a very open mind, just not so open that my brains fall out.

lol

Back to Non-Reality, I guess...

Point is, if a vessel could create a field which could alter the space-time continuum in such a way as to simulate the effects of mass, then, problem solved. It is also a granted that all vessels (practically) in all of NS have artificial gravity. Thus, such a technology is already in use by nearly all nations of the future-tech persuasion. Therefore, technology which warps the space-time continuum is already in existance, and would merely need be modified to a greater capacity to effect damage as many nations currently do.

What say you, Xessmithia?

Starships on NS casually take thousands of G's of acceleration from their own engines. Since they don't destroy themselves when they do so they must be capable of withstanding massive amounts of G-forces.

As such it would take a truly massive amount of mass/energy to warp space-time to such a degree to damage the target ship. No starship has enough mass/energy to create more than the several thousands of Gs warp that would be required to damage the target.

Thousands of G's of acceleration would turn any occupants into jelly. Therefore, fields which alter the affects of gravity and/or mass must be in place on the vessels. If structures were capable of withstanding such high energies, and biologicals also, then how would many primary or basic weapons cause any amount of damage? If artificial gravity can be created on a deck-by-deck basis, only affecting one direction, and fields which effectively negate Newton's Laws of Motion, namely inertia, then are we not capable of creating energies or fields which could affect the STC without need of mass?

GZ you asked about gravity weapons, please stick to that topic.

Anyway, no matter how the Starships and occupants survive the thousands of G's it would still require more than that to damage the vessel. No vessel has enough mass/energy to create a a tens of thousands of G gravitational field.