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It was another hot day in Bandar Abbas, with the sun sitting high in the sky and the thermometer rising rapidly. In a quick stop convienience store, the Persian manager of all stores in the Bandar Abbas area was looking around doing a secret inspection on the Arabs they had forced to work here. Parthia had imported guest workers to do lower jobs and then kept the Arabs locked away in massive ghettos to prevent them from interbreeding with Persians or causing crime to the native Iranians. He looked around carefully, and from the corner of his eye, he could see two Arab children hired to clean floors sneak packs of gum from a rack into their pockets. The manager pulled out his Colt .45 and then pointed it directly at the children before pushing a button on his belt mounted pager to call the police, who arrived within two minutes to find the frightened children looking directly at the man. One made a break for it and dashed to the back entrance, only to have the manager fire one hollow point round directly into the child's skull. The police descended on the other child and began to savagely beat him with nightsticks, then dragged him out of the store by the ankles and threw him into a police van. An hour later, he had been condemned to death. (We don't have real trials here unless the accused are 1st class citizens) Tomorrow, he would be publically beheaded for his horrible crime of theft.

"Damn kids and their music"
-Official statement from Minister of Domestic Tranquility, Vincent Vetra

The Imperial Roycelandian Government would usually draft a communique expressing our outrage at such a flagrant human rights violation, but His Majesty has decreed such exercises to be a "Waste of Fucking Time & Money", since "No-one ever pays attention to them". As a result, he as authorised the use of "Form Letters" for such moments, thus meeting his commitment to the International Community without doing any actual work.

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Standard Expression of Outrage/Disapproval (Delete as appropriate)

The Imperial Roycelandian Governent hereby expresses it's Outrage/Disapproval at The Parthians for:

Imposing the death penalty on an 8 year old for stealing some chewing gum

Please don't do it again, or we'll have to send you an angry letter or invade your country*

*Not applicable to big countries with lots of Allies.


Signed Jeff Lewboski, Foreign Minister
On behalf of His Imperial Majesty Emperor Royce I

"Bollocks!"
Official response to events,
Ankhmeti Department of Irony, Sarcasm and I just don't give a fuck.

Parthians, Im sicking and tired of you. You these arabs like slaves. So im just shocked at this. This is your warning, stop this NOW.

i agree with the nation of Brydog here ... this is uncalled for killing a child for a misdemeanor ? not even worth of a court hearing ?..the union requests that you stop ..

Everyone band together and whoop the parthians.All that stupid punishment. It paints the picture of a nation so pathetic it executes it's youth for tiny little crimes usually not worthy of more than a caution.
Bob Scruyu,
Ministry of stating the obvious and I still don't give a fuck really.

OOC: Was all that OOC or IC?

IC:

We fully support the Parthians system of Justice and as their ally will stand with them against any heretical forces seeking their just Government's overthrow.

For God and Saint Peter,

Criticus Zabic,
Foreign Affairs Advisor to the Emperor,

OOC: Was all that OOC or IC?

IC:

We fully support the Parthians system of Justice and as their ally will stand with them against any heretical forces seeking their just Government's overthrow.

For God and Saint Peter,

Criticus Zabic,
Foreign Affairs Advisor to the Emperor,
WTF, Is wrong with you, he killing a kid for stealing CHEWING GUM.
President of The Republic John C. Handstand

OOC: Errr... I do far worse...

IC:

Nothing, what is wrong with you, Sir? Have you seen you Head Doctor lately?

You seem to have forgotten that stealing chewing gum is the start of what could be an extensive career for this boy(s), thus the Shah has made it his business to prevent more thefts in future by eliminating the individual.

A truely inspirational system of Justice, one we would encourage you to follow.

For God and Saint Peter,

Criticus Zabic,
Foreign Affairs Advisor to the Emperor,

IC:
Hmmm? Was that it? A lousy kid who was killed because he stole something? In racially clean society's there's no room for failure. Our people respect our laws, and follow the path illuminated by us and God. We wouldn't have killed the poor bugger, no. A firm flogging would have the same effect or an extensive rehabilitation process. You must understand, there are no thieves or liars in Guffingford, so we rarely have to apply these laws. What else can you expect from a nation so free, liberal and friendly best known as Guffingford?

- Signoli DeFelice, on holiday.

This is not tolerable. Stop executing your nation's future.The world will not stand your kind of 'justice' forever.Quack.
Bob Scruyu,
Ministry of stating the abvious and I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!

IC:
Hmmm? Was that it? A lousy kid who was killed because he stole something? In racially clean society's there's no room for failure. Our people respect our laws, and follow the path illuminated by us and God. We wouldn't have killed the poor bugger, no. A firm flogging would have the same effect or an extensive rehabilitation process. You must understand, there are no thieves or liars in Guffingford, so we rarely have to apply these laws. What else can you expect from a nation so free, liberal and friendly best known as Guffingford?

- Signoli DeFelice, on holiday.


Liberal?You flog people for having fetishes.Not the smartest punishment, but still, not very liberal.

This is not tolerable. Stop executing your nation's future.The world will not stand your kind of 'justice' forever.Quack.
Bob Scruyu,
Ministry of stating the abvious and I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!

OOC: Calm down... this IC... not OCC. Jesus.

IC:

You do not scare us with your puny threats, we suggust you go perform some Sodomy... it might help you.

We would remind you many powerful nations stand behind us and others like us.

For God and Saint Peter,

Criticus Zabic,
Foreign Affairs Advisor to the Emperor,

OOC: Lol first time NS roleplaying :p

IC:

I suggest a milder policy to execution, prehaps a public flogging or branding, as is practised in our worshipful republic. ( ;) )
While painful and humiliating they allow the offender to live... and ensure that the offender is discouraged to participate in further crimes (or if not at least he will bear the marks of a criminal, obvious to your hardworking shopkeepers).

From the Anzaar Mortis, Chairman of the Republic of Daic.

We again applaud the Parthian government on their acts of law enforcement against petty criminals of this sort. It is proactive polices of this sort that control crime and a create happy, industrious place for the more important citizens of society.

Maximilian Von Hinterguard
Direktor of International Relations
Confederacy of Lachenburg

ok ..
I’m thinking of starting a blockade .. the union will give Parthia 24 hours to comply with stopping all petty executions or we shall send in a naval blockade

ok ..
I’m thinking of starting a blockade .. the union will give Parthia 24 hours to comply with stopping all petty executions or we shall send in a naval blockade

OoC: Be my guest, you want your ships with holes or just totaly obliterated?

"I would be shocked, if I didn't just do the exact same thing 3 minutes ago."-The Great Leader Li.

OoC: Be my guest, you want your ships with holes or just totaly obliterated?

OOC: you don’t scare me :P .. just try to sink my ships in international waters..

Ic: our warning stands

We will aid the Union in a blockade.

OOC: you don’t scare me :P .. just try to sink my ships in international waters..

Ic: our warning stands

OoC: Well since you seem to be using the word "blockade" I assume you will stop all shipping and either destroy/turn back each one, correct?

Because thats kinda illegal and will warrant a rather nasty blockade breaker from me.

Not destory turn back yes ...

Several ships left there docks the 7th and 4th fleets started thrashing along the cold but clear blue waters of the Atlantic , there destination Parthia , admiral foster kay bourn was the fleets commander he stood on the deck of his ship looking out to the clear blue sky’s and choppy Atlantic waters as his fleet sailed steaming along towards Parthia’s shores . the fleet would arrive with in 24 hours time .. just enough time to turn back if Parthia’s government deiced differently .

Why is it that Liberal scum refuse to respect the rights of national soveringty? Is it not fine for Parthia to execute criminals for violent crime? Is theft not a violent crime? I hereby call upon my allies to help crush these liberal scum deserving of death.

-Shah Khosru III

Why is it that Liberal scum refuse to respect the rights of national soveringty? Is it not fine for Parthia to execute criminals for violent crime? Is theft not a violent crime? I hereby call upon my allies to help crush these liberal scum deserving of death.

-Shah Khosru III

"We politely inquire how the theft of fruit-flavoured chewing products is violent in any way."

~Foreign Affairs Minister Jack Angus

"We politely inquire how the theft of fruit-flavoured chewing products is violent in any way."

~Foreign Affairs Minister Jack Angus

It hurts buisnesses, and we take pride in the fact our buisnesses are very productive. Stealing from a buisness is like stealing from the economy and thus, stealing from everyone.

-Shah Khosru III

Parthians, Im sicking and tired of you. You these arabs like slaves. So im just shocked at this. This is your warning, stop this NOW.

Slaves? They aren't slaves, just repressed pleasantly so they don't give us Persians any problems. They have tried to invade Parthia since 627, and we will not tolerate the barbarians any longer. No Persian will do the work these Arab scum do, and they deserve every bit of it.

-Shah Khosru III

While it has never been the policy of our nation to support or agree with the terminally racist, far right wing imperium of the Shah prior to this event, we must here agree that these two children were common criminals, and must be punished appropriately. Criminals are scum, and understand only pain and fear.

- Foreign Minister A. Schützer

Official Imperial Statement

As the Imperial army is currently entirely engaged against the soulless abominations of Sarzonia and Praetonia, we can offer Parthia no more than our congratulations on a job well done and our moral and diplomatic support in the event of a conflict.

Lord Varus Tiberius Alexei,
Acting Supreme Imperator of the Generic Empire,
Loyal Servant to Emperor Antonius I

*vomits* you mkae the union sick to its stomace .. our blockade will stand

Open Communiqué

While the Arab Republic of Al-Sabir is angered by the abusive treatment of Arab people in The Parthians, we feel no need for excessive violence or retaliatory repercussions in our society against Persian minorities. Instead, Al-Sabir offers extensive reparations in cash to the shop owner and would be willing to grant the young criminal asylum.

Open Communiqué

While the Arab Republic of Al-Sabir is angered by the abusive treatment of Arab people in The Parthians, we feel no need for excessive violence or retaliatory repercussions in our society against Persian minorities. Instead, Al-Sabir offers extensive reparations in cash to the shop owner and would be willing to grant the young criminal asylum.

Secret IC:

Really? This is a most interesting offer. We may go along with this method, and will advertise the death of the other criminal as an on-the-spot execution. After all, if the child simply dissappears and is secretly shephereded off to another nation, it looks like the work of SAVAK and maintains our system of justice. We will ship the criminal to Al-Sabir via a truck marked to look like one transporting beef products.

We accept your offer.

Secret IC:

The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir is honoured to inform you that the offer has been accepted.

Official Netcast:
Was it high quality chewing gum? If so, we have no objections.

Due to accurate pint point intelligence , the union has halted and turned around the fleet even though we still dislike the way The Parthians treats there people there is not reason for us to meddle in there affairs , if it dose not involved killing children

Excellent, expect a large truck marked Teymorian Meat Products to move out of Bandar Abbas and into your nation a day or two from now. When he arrives, please send a secret message to the people involved. I don't want my people knowing about the fact I didn't execute him.

Secret Message to those Involved:

We are currently moving the criminal into Al-Sabir by truck. His execution will no longer happen. Please wait for the Arab Republic to inform you of his safe arrival within a day.

Children should not be excecuted for stealing gum. They're children, after all, and that is a minor offence. Prison should do just fine. Execution is stepping over the line. The Czar does not usually interfere with national soveregnty, but this has stepped over the lines.

Do NOT let this happen again.

Deo Vindice,

Count Franz von Papen
Foreign Minister to the Czar
The Protestant Prussian Czardom of Derscon
Greater Prussia

Official Netcast:
Was it high quality chewing gum? If so, we have no objections.

Yes, it was.

Open Communiqué

While the Arab Republic of Al-Sabir is angered by the abusive treatment of Arab people in The Parthians, we feel no need for excessive violence or retaliatory repercussions in our society against Persian minorities. Instead, Al-Sabir offers extensive reparations in cash to the shop owner and would be willing to grant the young criminal asylum.

We in Atlanta-Pacifica will be willing to ship you our criminals free of charge, and be advised that we have a loaded 747 headed to your largest airport to drop them off (if they make it)- we only gave them enough fuel for 3 hours of the 4 hour flight, to test out the arrangement.
You can keep the plane with our compliments- we've got plenty more where that one came from-we are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Boeing Corp.

Mahatma Kane-Jeeves, President for Half-Life
The United States of Atanta-Pacifica

Yes, it was.

In that case, he should have been publically flogged, but excecuton is unacceptable.

Unless, of course, it was a case of Cognac or something, in which case I'd be perfectly fine with it.

Count Franz von Papen
Foreign Minister to the Czar
The Protestant Prussian Czardom of Derscon
Greater Prussia

In that case, he should have been publically flogged, but excecuton is unacceptable.

Unless, of course, it was a case of Cognac or something, in which case I'd be perfectly fine with it.

Count Franz von Papen
Foreign Minister to the Czar
The Protestant Prussian Czardom of Derscon
Greater Prussia


Franz, baby- they start with gum and move up to cognac. Stop 'em early and don't give 'em a second chance.

Dear leader of Parthia

I nerver thought of that, pretty good idea you gave me!!! (you see, i'm new to that country leading thing)

We usually send kid's parents to jail for a coupple of decades, but a death sentence is a much more effective and cheaper solution!

Hmmm, last thing, would you do the same for peanut stealing :confused: (i think it is not as bad to steal a peanut than a gum)

Thanx a lot!
Oh and say hello to your wives!

Jack LaLanne,
Omnipotent Leader of the Republique of Tchekébença

Although we should condemn this action, the Emperor has decided another action. The Emperor declares that this is just law and order, and what the government does in its own nation is up to itself, however the exicution of child is a bit extreme and as long as it is not a consistant occurance, we will ignore this issue.

Sebecean Ministry of International Affairs

We are still formulating a responce. What flavour chewing gum was it?

What flavour chewing gum was it?


Its flavor you damn redcoats... and if those kids where gonna give up their lives for gum, it should be juicy fruit.

Its flavor you damn redcoats... and if those kids where gonna give up their lives for gum, it should be juicy fruit.

We invented the language, we get first choice on how its spelt. Bloody colonials... :p

Its flavor you damn redcoats... and if those kids where gonna give up their lives for gum, it should be juicy fruit.

No, it's flavour. Just because you had to basterdise our language in order to make up for the fact that you have no culture...sorry what were we talking about?

King Falcon II's official response to the execution of a Parthian child:

Whoopee-shit.

We invented the language, we get first choice on how its spelt. Bloody colonials... :p
You may have invented it, but we Bloody colonials beat you guys twice, so we can spell it or say it anyway we GD please.
Now, about the Juicy Fruit...........

No, it's flavour. Just because you had to basterdise our language in order to make up for the fact that you have no culture...sorry what were we talking about?

So that isn't poor American you are speaking and we were just too polite to correct you. Now I get it.

Okay, you speak it your way, we'll speak it ours, and the next time the dung hits the ventilator in Europe, YOU close the Chunnel from the invading hordes, and forget our phone number!

Ta-ta, and all that rot!

If it is regular gum flavor the kids should be executed for no class.
If it is anything else the kids should be executed for stealing good gum, unless it is meat flavored!

Civil Rights Spokesperson Carl Hamington

So that isn't poor American you are speaking and we were just too polite to correct you. Now I get it.

Okay, you speak it your way, we'll speak it ours, and the next time the dung hits the ventilator in Europe, YOU close the Chunnel from the invading hordes, and forget our phone number!

Ta-ta, and all that rot!

If you want to get started on just how "amazing" your contribution to European victory was, I'll be happy to oblige, but shall we so it somewhere else?

(OOC: Lol! :p)

IC: Well done. We applaud Parthia's refusal to leave crimes unpunished. All criminals are scum, regardless of age, race, gender, or creed.

-Secretary of Law and Order Chia Neng Lee

Erm yes, the Americans helped end the First World War by a couple of months. As for WW2? You couldn't be bothered to help until your interests were threatend. Russia did far more for Europe than America.

But that's a debate for another time.

If you want to get started on just how "amazing" your contribution to European victory was, I'll be happy to oblige, but shall we so it somewhere else?

Without us in WWII you would have been the greatest victory to the Nazis... Just be glad we saved your asses...

ooc: Erm, that is bull. Operation Sealion, the invasion of Britain, was called off before United States intervention in the war.

I applaud Parthia on its choice of justice. You see, we must teach children that stealing is a crime. Exodus 20:15 states: Though shalt not steal. The only exception to this biblical authority is zealousy for God and His Will. The punishment fits the crime considering it broke one of God's foremost rules. 'An eye for an eye; And a tooth for a tooth.'

Sincerely,
Czar Charles Hayden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/Fascist_Confederacy/CoatOfArms.jpg

Following the eye for an eye principle, the Shah stepped over the line -- the child should have been removed of all gum-ownership rights for the rest of his life.

And if they stole Cognac, I'll supply the guns and ammunition for their execution myself.

--Franz

OOC: Yeah, well guess what mate? your on a fucking british host, so you if you want to bitch, shut the hell up. For Chrissakes, we spell it Armour, and you spell it Armor. Guess what? Ours is right. Yours is a butchered version. Maybe you beat us "twice" , realise the fact that America got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, who was a 3rd world country. Gasp. We had the greatest nation on Earth. We are bound to have made several mistakes and losses.
What the fuck? SAVED OUR ASSES? That is most pretentious bullshit I have ever heard. If anyone saved World War One it was the Greeks, the Russians, and the Australians.
Momanguise is right. We kicked the Nazi's ass in the Battle of Britain, without American help. And who sunk the Tirpitz? Who sunk the French navy so it couldn't defect to the Nazi's? Who destroyed the Nazis' in Africa? Who saved Malta from the Italians?
And the fact that an American brought it up furthers the [i]worldwide idea that America is an arrogant nation full of arrogant people.

IC:
This is a deplorable act by the deplorable nation of The Parthians. This has only furtherned our tensions with your nation. We officially condemn The Parthians for this act against human rights.
Josef Dorsal, Hogsweatian Autocrat

OOC: Yeah, well guess what mate? your on a fucking british host, so you if you want to bitch, shut the hell up. For Chrissakes, we spell it Armour, and you spell it Armor. Guess what? Ours is right. Yours is a butchered version. Maybe you beat us "twice" , realise the fact that America got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, who was a 3rd world country. Gasp. And the fact that an American brought it up furthers the [i]worldwide idea that America is an arrogant nation full of arrogant people.

IC:
This is a deplorable act by the deplorable nation of The Parthians. This has only furtherned our tensions with your nation. We officially condemn The Parthians for this act against human rights.
Josef Dorsal, Hogsweatian Autocrat

OOC: We did not 'get our asses kicked.' The communists lost at least 900,000 men, we lost less than 60,000. Moreover, all top military leaders unanimously agreed that the war could have been won in less than six weeks had we gone all out (i.e., mined Haiphong harbor, invaded the North, bombed the transport links to China, bombed Hanoi, et. al.).
A few good sources are

1.How We Lost the Vietnam War by Nguyen Cao Ky;
2.Science & Mechanics, March 1968, p. 40;
3.Congressional Record – Senate, March 6, 14, and 18, 1985, p. S2632;
4.The Hanoi Commitment by James Mulligan;
5.Wings of the Eagle by W.T. Grant;
6.In Their Defense: U.S. Soldiers in the Vietnam War by Dr. Pham Kim Vinh;
7.Thud Ridge by Colonel Jack Broughton;
8.Story of Ray Davis, General of Marines by Major General Raymond G. Davis, with Colonel William J. Davis

ooc: At which point you would have had a repeat of the Korean war with Chinese pouring over the border. And that is exactly why the north was never invaded.

OOC: Yes, you DID get your ass kicked. The Vietcong and NVA using inferior weaponry, inferior tactics, inferior training, and up against the best army in the world, forced said army to pull out. That is the personification of the word owned. I will not say what I think of Vietnam here, because i'll get my ass flamed and i'll probably lose some friends.

ooc: At which point you would have had a repeat of the Korean war with Chinese pouring over the border. And that is exactly why the north was never invaded.

OOC: No, we wouldn't have. The Chinese were a)in no condition to intervene (the Great Leap Forward was a colossal failure, millions were starving to death, and the economy was in shambles); b)Vietnam's relationship was a lot different from China's than was North Korea's. Vietnam a)wasn't particularly fond of China (which has dominated Vietnam over the centuries); b)the Vietnamese insisted on fighting the war on their own (aside from weapons, supplies, money, etc.) Either way, going all-out would have been far better than staying in there ten years, picking at each other. Far fewer civilians would have died, seeing that the war would have been much, much shorter than it actually was. Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread, so if anyone wants to discuss this further, please TG me. Thanks!

OOC: Yes, you DID get your ass kicked. The Vietcong and NVA using inferior weaponry, inferior tactics, inferior training, and up against the best army in the world, forced said army to pull out. That is the personification of the word owned. I will not say what I think of Vietnam here, because i'll get my ass flamed and i'll probably lose some friends.

(OOC: Looks like you didn't read my whole post.)

OOC: Yes, you DID get your ass kicked. The Vietcong and NVA using inferior weaponry, inferior tactics, inferior training, and up against the best army in the world, forced said army to pull out. That is the personification of the word owned. I will not say what I think of Vietnam here, because i'll get my ass flamed and i'll probably lose some friends.


OOC: Lol, I'm going to butt in here... it's more like the US public forced the US Army to leave Vietnam.

While 50,000 to 60,000 Americans died in the war there were 2 million North Vietnamese dead - that's what I call owned. South Vietnam survived until we left, and when we left South Vietnam held. However, purely militaristicly the US army was completely successful in the objective assigned to it - the defense of South Vietnam and the blatant destruction of the communist in North Vietnam. From a military perspective we did our job hell of well too.

OOC:Damn, how'd this thread end up on the subject of Vietnam?

OOC: no clue.

OOC: I do. Someone posted the word "flavour," and someone said that was wrong, then we got into a Europe vs America, and here we are.

By the way, I'm American, and I use the extra "u" just because it looks better. :)

OOC: Heh, must've been some good gum.

IC:

The Reichsvolk Empire of North Germania is wiring 2 Reichsmarks to The Parthians for more gum.

Dear Whoever commited this crime in the first place(I dont remember) :headbang: oh now I remember, Parthia :mad:
Killing a child based on stealing a piece of gum is stupid whether you try and justify it or not. Giving the kid a warning however is not. When countries start to racially enslave and abuse other races because of religon, apperance or any other reason, that country becomes a nation not worth being in existence. Therefore I am publicly condeming your act of stupidity, and sactions, and I am pulling my embassy out of your retarded country.

President of the mostly Arab nation of AhmadYAli

OOC: Yeah, well guess what mate? your on a fucking british host, so you if you want to bitch, shut the hell up. For Chrissakes, we spell it Armour, and you spell it Armor. Guess what? Ours is right. Yours is a butchered version. Maybe you beat us "twice" , realise the fact that America got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, who was a 3rd world country. Gasp. We had the greatest nation on Earth. We are bound to have made several mistakes and losses.
What the fuck? SAVED OUR ASSES? That is most pretentious bullshit I have ever heard. If anyone saved World War One it was the Greeks, the Russians, and the Australians.
Momanguise is right. We kicked the Nazi's ass in the Battle of Britain, without American help. And who sunk the Tirpitz? Who sunk the French navy so it couldn't defect to the Nazi's? Who destroyed the Nazis' in Africa? Who saved Malta from the Italians?
And the fact that an American brought it up furthers the [i]worldwide idea that America is an arrogant nation full of arrogant people.

IC:
This is a deplorable act by the deplorable nation of The Parthians. This has only furtherned our tensions with your nation. We officially condemn The Parthians for this act against human rights.
Josef Dorsal, Hogsweatian Autocrat


I guess the War of 1812 slipped by your history books- that being the second time we won.
The fact is that it would be nice if "Fortress Europe" didn't need the industrial and agricultural base the US provided before we entered into the war, but you did, seeing that "Fortress Europe" was reduced to the Iberian Peninsula and the UK and one can't totally say that the Iberian Peninsula was exactly friendly territory, can we? Oh, and did the UK have enough troops to battle the Germans? Seems to me that there were a number of other nations who wore your uniform when their nations were occupied, and even some of our boys who went to Canada to join the RCAF or went to Britain to join the RAF and fight.
True, we did not enter into the fight openly until 1941, but our merchant fleet suffered due to the Wolfpacks attacking the convoys of war materiel crossing the Atlantic befoere our formal entry into the war.

As for WWI, who knows what would have been had we not tipped the balance of your war of attrition. Fresh troops ended the stalemate, regardless of how you want to classify our participation.

As for Viet Nam, true, we lost the war due to a lack of will from our elected leaders who didn't have the guts to let the troops do the job they needed to do. It's kind of tough to win a boxing match when your opponent has both hands free and you have one of your tied behind your back- which is sort of what we are starting to see from some of our elected leaders in regards to Iraq. Funny thing, Ted Kennedy was in the Senate back in the 60's and now as well. Guess he just dusted off his old anti-war playbook and updated the locations.

I was only kidding about the language thing, and I sure don't want to engage in a protracted argument - but you haven't begun to see arrogance from me.

Let's keep it light and humorous-OK?

bump

Though we do not approve of the tactics used, it is neither our place to speak against another nations soverienty nor really our place to judge considering that we ourselves are still washing the blood stains from our government offices.

I suppose the most positive response we can generate is that we are atleast glad to see a well established, and quick reacting police force?

Sincerely-we think...
Eliza Meraz
Minister of Foriegn Affiars, DPRM
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Ok, as a Part-time historian I will clear this up shall I?

I guess the War of 1812 slipped by your history books- that being the second time we won.

Thats highly debateable, we physically won the war (if it wasn't for Jackson and that fort (canny remember the name off hand) you wouldn't be making the claim you are now), blew your economy pretty much to hell, in that respect we won. In respect to you maintaining your independence you won... There...

We are taught over here it is was a pretty stalemateish thing but on a longer war (we only bothered in 1814 really) you would have lost, there is no question of that (against a fleet of a thousand men at war and hundreds of thousands of Veteran soldiers from the Penisula against your rag tag bunch of militia/few proffesionals with spirit and will but not the numbers or ability to stop a full scale British deployment, which note never really happened). Americans are taught they won it because of the earliest British plans were to retake the entire of America for the crown...


The fact is that it would be nice if "Fortress Europe" didn't need the industrial and agricultural base the US provided before we entered into the war, but you did, seeing that "Fortress Europe" was reduced to the Iberian Peninsula and the UK and one can't totally say that the Iberian Peninsula was exactly friendly territory, can we?

Erm, the Germans would have never had invaded the UK, it was a fools errand even if they had managed to eliminate the RAF somehow they wouldn't have been able to stop the RN simply due to numbers/probable determination. We needed your resources but not you per se.


Oh, and did the UK have enough troops to battle the Germans?


Yes, they did.


Seems to me that there were a number of other nations who wore your uniform when their nations were occupied, and even some of our boys who went to Canada to join the RCAF or went to Britain to join the RAF and fight.


Happens in all wars. You had the same, Germans did, Russians did etc... I don't see the point of that comment. When we talk of the UK you have to include the Dominions and the Empire in it's manpower/resources.


True, we did not enter into the fight openly until 1941, but our merchant fleet suffered due to the Wolfpacks attacking the convoys of war materiel crossing the Atlantic befoere our formal entry into the war.


True, but had Hitler not declared war on the US in the wake of PH you in all probability would have not entered the war against Hitler. Why a lot of Americans liked/were a fan of Hitler and the Nazi's... besides it wasn't seen as your war, and FDR had pledged to keep you out of the European conflict.


As for WWI, who knows what would have been had we not tipped the balance of your war of attrition. Fresh troops ended the stalemate, regardless of how you want to classify our participation.


True, it shortened a war, which Germany would have lost anyway simply because they were starving...

Let's keep it light and humorous-OK?

Indeed.

Just I decided I had, had enough of the pseudo-intellectual babble.

/thread hijack

OOC: Damn silly Chewing gum flavours...

Secret IC: We can confirm that the child has safely arrived in Al-Sabir. Doctors have immediately started the child's treatment to heal the open wounds of horrible abuse. He will be given a new, Al-Sabirian identity and he'll undergo plastic surgery to make sure that he will never be recognized as the one the nearly provoked an international incident.

Yours Faithfully,

Abdullah Mohammed Sharif
President of the Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

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[ From a transmission to The Parthians] I Jace Parker leader of Neo Zeta would like to give you support for your actions. Neo Zeta being in the new Trade Guild understand that profit is everything and that gum was profit lost and that must be punished.

OOC: Can I get an update? Has the kid been killed yet? I dont feel like reading 6 pages to find out what happens... sorry.

OCC: In Australia we say flavour..

IC: Lord Thomas III is outraged at this breach of human rights but as he has been advised to not say anything, he will do just that.