NationStates Jolt Archive


Latin Catholics Divided (ATTN: Nations with a Pope)

The Latin Union
06-02-2005, 06:16
Article taken from the Latin National Daily Journal (LGQE):

A DIVIDED PEOPLE
By Yolanda Beatriz Quiñonez

SETUBAL, PAX PROVINCE - This city has been the scene of an unprecedented religious conflict. In the Church of the Holy Virgin on Via 48, Cardinal Giuseppe Arnandini and several dozen other religious leaders of the Union's Catholic community have been meeting for the past two years, debating, often in a very heated manner, over the issue of unification.
But it is not the issue of the nation's unification that troubles these holy men. A more pressing matter troubles them. Nearly 24% of the Latin Union's 790 million residents identify themselves as members of the Catholic faith. That's nearly 189,600,000 people - an amount so large it dwarfs the populations of many other nations. With such a large community comes a large responsibility, and a very large stake in the issue at hand for any major religious figure outside of the Union.
The Catholics in the Union are at an impasse: which Pope is the true voice of God? Or, should the Catholics of the Union even follow the mandate of any specific Pope at all? Prior to the signing of the Latin Constitution and the unification of the five provinces into what we now call our great nation, the Catholics living in this region remained divided over which Pope to follow. Since the political unification of the nation, Cardinal Arnandini has sought to unite the Catholics of the nation as well. He feels such a unification would "eliminate dissention in a community that should have none." According to Arnandini, "we all believe in the same Lord, and the same Savior. There is no need for us to debate about who is the true voice of the Lord. If we as Catholics can peacefully co-exist with completely different faiths, we should be able to peacefully co-exist with one another."
But for years before the unification of the nation, the Catholics of the region debated and disputed the nature of their leadership. Some believe Pope Leo of the Holy Vatican See is the true leader of Catholics. Some believe Cardinal Middelhuis of the Holy See of Twente is the true voice of God. A minority follow the mandate of Pope Castor III of Frenzberrie. Still others feel that Pope John Paul II holds their allegiance. And among many there is the feeling that the Latin Catholic community should simply abolish the notion of a Pope and worship on their own, with only local religious leaders to look to for leadership.
Cardinal Arnandini feels this last choice is what is best for the nation. "Our government believes there should be to each his own," he says. "If our government sees all people as equal and all faiths as equal, can we not see all religious leaders as equal, and eliminate this meaningless conflict over who is right and who is wrong?"
But he knows many others disagree with him, so for years he had hosted debates in his church to help bring this issue to resolution. Candidly he revealed they are farther from a solution than they were when he began.
Arnandini is formally a leader in the Catholic sect that views Pope Leo as its true leader, but he and many other local religious figures adhere to the belief that those who choose other religious leaders should not be shunned by their fellow Catholics. He is the head of a movement to eliminate this dissention and restore peaceful coexistence to the Catholic community, even if their own beliefs are not chosen as the correct path.
The issue of Catholic unification was a troubling thorn in the side of President Pedro Marquez's effort to unify the nation. He overcame the issue by proclaiming church and state to be separate and saying that disputes of faith were to be resolved by leaders of faith. His campaign on a solely political platform is what unified the nation. When questioned repeatedly about his stance on the Catholic issue, the President has always replied, "I urge the various leaders of the Catholic faith to come to a quick and peaceful resolution on this issue. Prolonging this dispute merely helps intensify it." Marquez, a self-proclaimed agnostic, was married to his wife in a Protestant church.
The issue not only extends to Catholicism. The interfaith community in the nation is also troubled over this issue. Up to now, the Catholic community has been represented by only one delegate to any meeting, just like any other faith. But in recent months some have been pushing for Vatican Catholics, Twentish Catholics, and Frenzberrie Catholics to be represented each by their own delegate. This has helped widen the gaps in the Catholic community.
"I am troubled by seeing this happen," says Rabbi Sabas Tomás Feliciano, a member of the National Interfaith Committee. "As a Jew I simply don't understand this sort of conflict. Within Judaism we have five sects, but only one of them recognizes a single man to be the direct line to God. The rest believe that God listens to all people individually. As a professor of interfaith relations, I want to help my Catholic friends resolve this issue without widening the dissention. But as a Jew I just can't think of a solution. My people have not seen this kind of dispute."
"I think making this an issue will be devastating to the Catholic faith in our nation," says Father Érico Barba, himself a follower of Cardinal Middelhuis. "These people who think we should renounce any Pope and follow God on our own threaten to make Catholicism into Protestantism. Our faith is strong because its leader is strong. I believe Cardinal Middelhuis is the true voice of God. There are those who disagree with me, and follow other leaders, but this does not bother me. Trying to eliminate our faith in one religious leader is what frightens me."
The tension has thankfully not reached violent levels, but Catholic schools in the nation have recently been denying students access on the basis of who they or their families believe is the true leader of Catholicism. This issue has come to the attention of many municipal governments. Most are simply turning the issue away, but some have become entangled in the nationwide dispute and are no closer to a solution than any others. School officials are bickering with each other, and even some companies are starting to warn employees that if they engage in any religious debates on company time they will be reprimanded.
While a few call for government intervention, most agree this is an issue to be solved within the Catholic Church. Cardinal Arnandini's requests to meet the President have been politely declined to this day. Repeatedly Arnandini has been told "this is not an issue for the government, in whose eyes all religions are equal."
"I respect the government's commitment to freedom and equality," says Arnandini, "but I want to meet with the President out of personal interest. He is the unifying leader of our great nation. I want to know if he could give me some tips on how to unify a divided religious community."

Yolanda Beatriz Quiñonez is a staff writer of the Latin National Daily Journal.
Fascist Confederacy
06-02-2005, 06:29
You see brothers? This is popery. The unification of people under one Pope--dictator is a better term, and more correct. These people teach that if you pay the Catholic Church, you might get into Heaven. Salvation isn't obtained by indulgences and merit, but by grace and mercy of God the Father. -- Pastor Ray Redfairm, Director Of The Directorate Of Morality
The Parthians
06-02-2005, 09:00
Your church is weak, within my nation, I have crushed you heretics with ease. We worship but one God, Ahura Mazda and he is greater than your false pontiff you worship. Your faith has stolen much from ours, to Zarathustra, Ahura Mazda revealed the truth. From this truth, you have siphoned much and turned it into a heretical faith. Your Christ is no more than our Mithra, and your God is no more than our Ahura Mazda. You heretical Catholics have been killed throughout Parthian territories for collaborating with Communists. One day, I shall have my revenge as Persian soldiers march through the Vatican, looting it and holding the head of the Pope high upon a lance. Then, the justice of Ahura Mazda will be delivered.

-Shah Khosru III
The Latin Union
06-02-2005, 23:08
Bump.
The Latin Union
07-02-2005, 02:19
Bump.
Fascist Confederacy
07-02-2005, 02:22
Ignorant papists! Taking money from the poor in the 1500's and then killing 100,000 of them in Germany! I give the world my advice: Burn the Catholic churches and impale the heads of the Archbishops so all may see what true heresy is! -- Brother Max von Brandyn
Cherry Ridge
07-02-2005, 02:22
Official government statement-
The one true Pope is Pope John Paul II (ooc- the real life pontiff). All who listen to another are heretics.
The Island of Rose
07-02-2005, 02:28
Official Statement from The Rosian Roman Catholic Church:

Do not listen to the Persians or Fascians. And do not listen to the nation of Cherry Ridge either. What a recommend is what the Rosians have been doing for decades. You should elect a Primate, a national Pope. And you can use the Primate to guide the Catholic People. Or, you can appoint a Pope. But for now, we have a Primate, me. And that is why we will always be the Rosian Roman Catholic Church.
Sergei Kreshnech
Primate of The Island of Rose
The Resurgent Dream
07-02-2005, 02:33
The Archbishopric of the Resurgent Dream and all loyal Catholics here and in the world believe that Pope Leo of the Holy Vatican See is the one and only Supreme Pontiff, the Heir of Peter, the Vicar of Christ. To maintain otherwise is heresy. However, we will be willing to help with these matters of to deal with this rift in your Church.

Sincerely,
Maxwell Halliwell
Archbishop of the Resurgent Dream
Fascist Confederacy
07-02-2005, 02:36
Do not listen to the Fascians? Sergei, do you know what your papist ancestors did to the people of Germany when Martin Luther spoke of the truth? They tried to burn Luther at the stake and they killed atleast 100,000 thousand Germans. They made the poor pay to 'save' their purgatory suffering ancestors. Do you not see the evils in that? Luckily, a man by the name of John Calvin helped secure the beliefs by having a heretic to the Proestant church burnt for preaching anti-Trinitarianism and saying that you shouldn't be baptized. -- Pastor Ray Redfairm, Director Of The Directorate Of Morality
The Latin Union
07-02-2005, 15:23
bump
The Latin Union
08-02-2005, 00:59
bump
Doomingsland
08-02-2005, 01:10
Your church is weak, within my nation, I have crushed you heretics with ease. We worship but one God, Ahura Mazda and he is greater than your false pontiff you worship. Your faith has stolen much from ours, to Zarathustra, Ahura Mazda revealed the truth. From this truth, you have siphoned much and turned it into a heretical faith. Your Christ is no more than our Mithra, and your God is no more than our Ahura Mazda. You heretical Catholics have been killed throughout Parthian territories for collaborating with Communists. One day, I shall have my revenge as Persian soldiers march through the Vatican, looting it and holding the head of the Pope high upon a lance. Then, the justice of Ahura Mazda will be delivered.

-Shah Khosru III
*cough*I'm Catholic, numbnuts*cough*

-Emperor Helldawg V
Doomingsland
08-02-2005, 01:12
Official government statement-
The one true Pope is Pope John Paul II (ooc- the real life pontiff). All who listen to another are heretics.
Official Imperial Response

We agree with this particular statement, although we tend to go more towards the Inquisition than any of these new fangled teachings.
Doomingsland
08-02-2005, 01:14
Do not listen to the Fascians? Sergei, do you know what your papist ancestors did to the people of Germany when Martin Luther spoke of the truth? They tried to burn Luther at the stake and they killed atleast 100,000 thousand Germans. They made the poor pay to 'save' their purgatory suffering ancestors. Do you not see the evils in that? Luckily, a man by the name of John Calvin helped secure the beliefs by having a heretic to the Proestant church burnt for preaching anti-Trinitarianism and saying that you shouldn't be baptized. -- Pastor Ray Redfairm, Director Of The Directorate Of Morality
Official Imperial Response

Martin Luther and his infidel followers are heretics in the eyes of God, and have surely earned their place in Hell. Those who follow his blasphemous teachings are also heretics, and will join them in Hell for all eternity.
The Parthians
08-02-2005, 02:39
*cough*I'm Catholic, numbnuts*cough*

-Emperor Helldawg V

I'm referring to left wing dominated Churches, and the Church headed by left wing wacko Pope John Paul II.

-Shah Khosru III
Cherry Ridge
08-02-2005, 03:07
I'm referring to left wing dominated Churches, and the Church headed by left wing wacko Pope John Paul II.

-Shah Khosru III
ooc-John Paul II is Catholic (which you know), and is considered conservative by some people.
The Parthians
08-02-2005, 03:16
ooc-John Paul II is Catholic (which you know), and is considered conservative by some people.

He is against the death penalty, and a socialist. I call that liberal.
The Latin Union
08-02-2005, 22:08
Article taken from the Latin National Daily Journal (LGQE):

NO CLOSER TO A SOLUTION
By Yolanda Beatriz Quiñonez

In a recent flood of international attention, Cardinal Giuseppe Arnandini of the Latin Catholic Church has released a formal statement to his Catholic comrades worldwide, urging them not to further increase the divide within the Union's Catholic community by fueling the fire with accusations and malignant comments towards any specific pontiff.

"We realize totally that some leaders do not have equal claim to lead our Catholic community," the Cardinal said in his statement, "but nonetheless we are faced with a community divided according to their allegiances. We urge the international community to aid us in reconciling these differences."

He noted with particular gratitude the statement of Archbishop Maxwell Halliwell of the Resurgent Dream, who despite his personal beliefs has offered a helping hand in the matter. "He, like myself, wish to see this conflict peacefully resolved," Arnandini said.

The Cardinal's statement conspicuously ignored the attacks of exterior religious communities upon Catholicism within the Union and worldwide. When questioned about the attacks he said only that the issue was for the Catholic community to resolve, though if other religions wished to help they were welcome.

Cardinal Arnandini was visited by members of the Latin Rabbinic Council early yesterday morning, who offered to raise funds to support his cause, though they immediately recognized that they had no way of fully understanding the conflict and would not try to offer diplomatic aid. The Cardinal thanked them for their contributions.

Yolanda Beatriz Quiñonez is a staff writer for the Latin National Daily Journal.