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Religious movement sweeps Mississippi: Calvinism spreads like wildfire

Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 14:47
It was finally realized that the rumors about the Pope, Herman Von Thaller, were true. In the regards as to what he had been doing in Upper Xen, consorting with women, and Japanese women at that. It was too much for the Church to bear, having the stain of the corruption and lechery of the last pope, still fresh on its image.

The end of the Mississippian Roman Catholic Church was in sight. Already the Reformed preachers were taking advantage of this, winning converts with their fiery and passionate sermons about the elect and the absolute predestination of all things.

Mississippi was experiencing what some foreigners were calling, "The Great Revival", getting back to the old traditional values, denouncing the false notions of Purgatory, unlimited atonement, salvation by merit, and then the even worse, doctrine of Arminianism.



The final blow to the Roman Catholic Church, and probably to the Russian Orthodox Church as well, came when the Czar officially converted from Russian Orthodox to Reformed, the same Reformed Church that the Czarina had already been a member of, for many years. After that, the bulk of members of the Catholic Church in Mississippi, either converted to The Church of True Israel, or to the Reformed Church, although Mississippian Calvinism was heavily influenced by the idea that Mississippi was the promised land and that the Mississippian people were the people of God, and a special covenant existed between the Mississippian people and God.



Paul Stahlecker, one of the most well-known of the Reformed Church members, was elated to hear the unofficial spokesman, a thirty-one year old preacher, calling for the Catholic Church to be banned, officially banned, from Mississippi and his territories.

The fiery young demagogue was standing outside the Jackson City Commonwealth Senate Building, where each Commonwealth nation would send several senators to vote on matters important to the entire Commonwealth as a whole. He was shouting loudly and had thus far drawn a crowd numbering at least seventy-five thousand.

They could hear his voice, echoing and booming throughout the area, "I tell you this, and I tell you this now. This nation is doomed if we foolishly insult God with false religions and idolize popes and worship popes and bishops. God will mock us in our calamity, as it says in Proverbs one, verse twenty four through twenty seven, 'But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you- when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you.'

God is mocking us!

That is what the recent blizzard was, that is what the tornadoes in Georgia were, the Hurricanes that hit Fabus Island, all these weather problems, it is the righteous indignation of a wrathful and angry God! Remember this, the great mass of mankind is doomed, before their births even, to an eternity of fire and brimstone. Know this, the message of Jesus Christ is a message of woe

As Christ Himself said, in Matthew ten verse thirty four, 'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.'

So I say onto you now, woe, woe to the sinner, to the fornicator, to the adulteror, to the drunkard, woe to you all, for God has predestinated you for a eternity of fire and brimstone. If you are not part of the elect, you have been blinded to the truth, Romans eleven verse seven, those not in the elect, were blinded! If you are not in the elect, you too, have been blinded to the truth, to the only way to God, to the doctrine of Grace, also known as the five points of Calvinism.

Realize this, I fully expect the great mass of you here today not to heed my call, not to listen to what I tell you, for the great majority of mankind is not in the elect, they are not predestinated to be saved, they were, from before their birth, hated by God. Malachi one, verse two through three, '"Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the Lord says. "Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."'

Even while the twin brothers of Jacob and Esau were in the womb, God loved Jacob, but Esau He hated. For no other reason than that He had predestinated Esau to sinful existence and eternal damnation, and because no other reason, than that it pleased Him to do such. There is no such thing as freewill, there is only what God wills, His divine will is all there is and all there ever will be. Anybody who tries to tell you otherwise, is a viper, a lying viper, and if you listen to them, you will surely writhe in hell for all eternity.

Friends, it has gotten such to the point that many churches in this nation today shame the Lord and don't keep His laws. First Corinthians fourteen, verse thirty four to thirty eight,

'Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Do you hear my voice, brothers, do you hear me? Let your women keep silence in the churches. What is not clear about that? How is that open to interpretation, it is clearly obvious and plainly simple, and church that allows women to speak, particularly if they are speaking to preach, is an insult to God and an abomination, a false church! A church of the devil! What is not clear about that brothers? What will you do brother! What will you do! Will you obey false preachers and wicked priests who want your money, will you obey those who are lying to you, and leading you to the path of ruin and damnation?

Why is this happening? First Timothy four, verse one and two, 'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.'

Do you hear me brothers? They have no conscience, they are lying to you, if you obey these lying scum, you are obeying the demons that they are working for. Will you obey demons? Will you insult and mock God, for if you do, remember, He will mock your calamity, he will laugh and mock when disaster overtakes you.

Again though, I do not expect more than a few of you here today to heed my call and listen to the truth, for only the elect will know the truth when they hear it. They will be irresistibly called, drawn to the way of God, at some point in their lifetime. If you are indeed God's elect, fear not, for at some point in your life, before you die, you will be irresistibly called by God, to accept the truth, to accept the five points of Calvinism, and you will thus be saved..."


He stopped speaking for a few minutes to observe the crowd, which had by now grown to at least five hundred thousand. It was working, the protest against the Roman Catholic Church was gaining support, or so it seemed.
Ankhmet
04-02-2005, 14:54
*clapclapclapclapclap*
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 14:58
In an attempt to stem the flow of disgruntled and disgusted Catholics leaving the church, the Pope resigned, (officially retired), and a new, more right-wing pope was named. But that token offer would not be enough. People were tired with indulgence peddling, with the sale of church offices to the highest bidder, with one man being bishop of a dozen or more dioceses, so as to collect more tithes and dues. The church was a corrupt organism that was dying of poison, a poison it had injected itself with, a poison it had taken in willingly, thinking it could control, but it had been consumed.

And as the church was being consumed, the people in the streets were consumed, consumed by the message of the preachers of the five points, consumed by the words they spoke. The movement of the Mississippian Reformed Church was spreading across the country quicker than a storm. Already within just a week of the breaking of the news of the papal scandal, the Roman Catholic church had lost 100 million of its 300 million members, and the Mississippian Reformed Church had ballooned from 2 million members, to nearly 75 million, with other churches gaining large amounts of members as well.

What made the movement catch on so quickly, the Pope couldn't figure it out. Although it was, in no small part, probably due, at least somewhat, to the Czar's official conversion to the Reformed Church, and his public statements in support of the five points of Calvinism.


Both the Czar and Czarina were now openly attacking the Catholic church as, in the words of the Czar, "Nothing more than sinful false prophets preaching under the guise of a pious religion. They are the blind leading the blind."

And in the words of the Czarina, "It's a church of sodomites and perverts, that accepts race mixers and faggots into its ranks, and if the people of this nation want that, then they can realize that God will make the brimstone all the hotter for them, when they finally are damned into hell."


The Czar, officially spoke on the matter of the spreading Calvinist movement, saying, "I'd like to make a few things clear, yes Calvinism is here to stay, I have totally accepted the truth, the five points, and the only way to salvation is to do so... And no, Catholicism will not remain legal, at least not for long. We cannot allow false doctrines and perversions of the word to influence the people. We will not allow perverted priests and false preachers to mislead their foolish congregations. Nor shall we allow all-powerful church institutions, when the only legitimate authority is local church authority, the only church that Jesus built, not a papist institution complete with bishops and cardinals and those who love the pomp and trappings of their offices, but rather those meek men who do the footwork of the Lord, and spread the gospel and the five points."
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 15:13
Location: Jackson City

Time: 0900 Mississippian standard time



It had been an eventful last few days, much had been happening and there was now a great deal of clamor over the issue of the Catholic Church in Mississippi, and whether to allow it to even continue to exist, or to get rid of it once and for all.

Finally, finally, after hours of debate and passionate pleas, the Calvinists, led mostly by Paul Stahlecker and a young, but previously unknown (as of a few months ago, unknown) preacher, Jeremiah Cartwright, who both had spent at least the last seventy-two hours, straight, doing nothing but preaching and lobbying the officials to accept the five points and make it law.

Finally, the Czar relented, and signed into law an act which would once and for all kill the Mississippian Roman Catholic Church, and all the lands of the Church would go to the establishment of schools to teach the five points.


At approximately 10:30 Mississippian time, the Czar made an announcement to the world, via the White Peoples Radio and Television Network.

"Greetings people of the world, as you know, the word of God has spread like wildfire throughout our lands, with people accepting the true message of the Lord as though it were being burned into them by the Holy Ghost. As we move forward in progress, being drawn to God's grace, we have to put to rest the issue of popery and papism once and for all. That is why from this day forth, by imperial decree, Roman Catholicism shall be banned in all of the Mississippian Federation. Holding a Catholic mass will also be banned and any found guilty will surely be held responsible."
Farmina
04-02-2005, 15:18
----Decree to Mississippi----

This Calvinism is Satan’s sinful lies; based on misused Biblical phrases and ignoring phrases completely when it suits. I call upon the Czar and the Czarina to move against the Devil and his liars before it is too late.

The Bible tells all good Christian people to beware of false prophets. Paul Stahlecker is such a false prophet. They must throw the demon that inhabits the body of Paul Stahlecker into the fires of hell; where it came from.

The Mississippian Reformed Church is an agency of the Devil and it must burn as such. I call to Catholics and all true Mississippian Christians to rise up against these Satanist lies of Calvinism.

For almighty God, the still clean people of Mississippi must prepare to rise against the so called Reformists, Satan’s foul Calvinists. Should any man die trying to prevent the growth of the Calvinist scourge, and then he will be blessed for all eternity. Should any man submit to foul Calvinism then he will be doomed to an eternity in hell.

Pope Thaller’s fall from Grace has long been predicted by the Grey Catholic Church. We have foreseen the evils of Papism. The Grey Catholic Church presents Mississippi with the one true choice, the one free of the Devil’s lies. The Highest of Priests, His Holiness Justininan, respects the traditions of the old churches, but the Pope was no messenger of God, no more than a sinner. Justinian has foreseen this saga from the beginning. He is truly God’s representative on Earth.

And Justinian has been given the message by God: “Fight for your religion, your God and your nation Mississippi; Calvinism may not prevail.”

The Grey Catholic Church promises to support Mississippi in its holy fight against Calvinism. Justinian offers Mississippi redemption, as he does to all Farminans.

“We are blessed to live under God’s eternal light. Under the Grey Catholic Church we will all be redeemed by the Light. We will fight the Devil with every breath in the name of the Kingdom of Heaven. For a Straight White People, under a Straight White God.”
---End of Decree---


OOC: The Post was a bit rushed, sorry.
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 15:23
----Decree to Mississippi----







Official Reply:


From: Czar Roger Fabus

To: Godless heathen, blinded to the way of God and the five points.


"Dear sir,
I care not for what a heathen like you says, for you are clearly not part of the elect, and you are clearly predestinated to hell. My wife, Alice, totally agrees with my thoughts on this matter (regarding your predestination for hell). Remember, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated", the idea of the elect is quite true, it cannot be disputed, and those who do try to do so, are false prophets and liars. Just ask yourself this, why is it that the only church in Mississippi that never passes collection plates, and refuses to accept your money, is the Reformed Church... Because they are a true church not out for profits and worldly trappings of power, they are not like this perversion of a church, commonly called Catholicism, which had, until recently, plagued us."
Ankhmet
04-02-2005, 15:33
Official Reply:


From: Czar Roger Fabus

To: Godless heathen, blinded to the way of God and the five points.


"Dear sir,
I care not for what a heathen like you says, for you are clearly not part of the elect, and you are clearly predestinated to hell. My wife, Alice, totally agrees with my thoughts on this matter (regarding your predestination for hell). Remember, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated", the idea of the elect is quite true, it cannot be disputed, and those who do try to do so, are false prophets and liars. Just ask yourself this, why is it that the only church in Mississippi that never passes collection plates, and refuses to accept your money, is the Reformed Church... Because they are a true church not out for profits and worldly trappings of power, they are not like this perversion of a church, commonly called Catholicism, which had, until recently, plagued us."

ooc: predestinated isn't a word.
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 15:38
ooc: predestinated isn't a word.


Ooc- Eph. 1:5: "Who hath predestinated us unto the adoption of children." But anyway, I don't care to get into an OOC debate, it is in the bible, it is in the dictionary, it is a word. Matter closed. (If you don't want it closed, TG or IM, but do not post more about this matter) Thank you.
Ra-Horakty
04-02-2005, 16:12
If this means that you will stop preaching to nations who do not want to listen, we are somewhat pleased by this move despite the ridiculous things it entails. If you intent to simply stop encouraging people to follow your god and instead simply tell them how they are going to hell regardless, we will just have to continue ignoring you, as before.
However, after reading all this I feel somewhat sorry for your people; they are all coerced into believing in such a destructive and vengeful god who seems to keep your people as playthings for his own amusement. It must be very depressing for them.

Pharaoh Tuthmosis VII
The Spiritual Community of Ra-Horakty
Zackaroth
04-02-2005, 17:22
How far has the Missiapians((sp?)) fell? They denouces there own religion in one that is from satan himself!! You see not threw his lies. More and more he tricks with his fork tounge. You seem to sink farther and farther into Satans grip. The little respect we had for you in beinging a cathloic country is all but gone. You are a demonic toy in satans grasps. That is why we open our doors for anyone fleeing your santanic cult to Zackaroth.


from the Archbishops of Zackaroth.
Upper Xen
04-02-2005, 20:56
OOC: Wow.......I just turned the MS Federation upside down, didn't I? Not sure what to make of it......
Roach-Busters
04-02-2005, 20:58
Tag
Sevaris
04-02-2005, 21:14
And there goes religious freedom. Fabus, could you have turned into any more of a religious nut? We don't really care, but don't try to convert us. Sevaris happens to be 90% Roman Catholic. We will not let you harm our citizens based on religion.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 21:29
And there goes religious freedom. Fabus, could you have turned into any more of a religious nut? We don't really care, but don't try to convert us. Sevaris happens to be 90% Roman Catholic. We will not let you harm our citizens based on religion.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim



Yuna, you are clearly just upset because you realize you're not part of the Elect, and you never will be. Basically, enjoy your stay in hell, you'll be there for eternity! If you were in the elect, you'd accept the 5 points of Calvinism, although it may be predestinated that you accept them later in your life. What is known is that the Elect will be called to God at some point in their life, and the irresistible grace of God will draw them into accepting the 5 points of Calvinism.

Czar Roger Fabus
MassPwnage
04-02-2005, 21:30
"I just have one question. Where in the bible does it say that Mississippians and SPECIFICALLY the Mississippians are the elect?"-The Great Leader Li.
Upper Xen
04-02-2005, 22:00
Yuna, you are clearly just upset because you realize you're not part of the Elect, and you never will be. Basically, enjoy your stay in hell, you'll be there for eternity! If you were in the elect, you'd accept the 5 points of Calvinism, although it may be predestinated that you accept them later in your life. What is known is that the Elect will be called to God at some point in their life, and the irresistible grace of God will draw them into accepting the 5 points of Calvinism.

Czar Roger Fabus

So wait, Roger, how would you measure who joins in the Elect, anyway? Is there an exact standard? I mean no offense by this, really, I just want to know, this announcement is quite a surprise, I myself am a Baptist, and have considered myself a religious person.

Gordon Lew
President
Deompublic of Upper Xen
Decisive Action
04-02-2005, 22:04
So wait, Roger, how would you measure who joins in the Elect, anyway? Is there an exact standard? I mean no offense by this, really, I just want to know, this announcement is quite a surprise, I myself am a Baptist, and have considered myself a religious person.

Gordon Lew
President
Deompublic of Upper Xen


"Nobody joins the elect, you are either chosen or you are not, Malachi 1:2-3, "Was not Esau Jacob's brother? Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated." Twin brothers, in the womb, one destined for God's love, the other for His eternal hatred and ultimate damnation, for no reason other than that it so pleased the sovereign and Almighty God, to do so."

Czar Roger Fabus
Farmina
05-02-2005, 02:54
---Decree to the People of Mississippi---

The Devil’s lies even affect the Czar’s mind. The spread of Calvinism must be stopped. This Satanism tries to justify itself through deliberate misinterpretation and ignorance. To this we say no more.

God has given down to me a message, a message for all Catholics.

If you see a Calvinist, there is but one choice, you must kill him before he poisons the minds of your family.

When you see a building of the Reformed Church you must burn it.

When you see Paul Stahlecker you have God’s permission and his order, to cut out the demon’s heart.

When you see the Czar, beg reason with him, try and cleanse his mind of this infectious evil; for at heart he is a good man.

When you see Alice, the Czarina, spit. She is but a witch, a wife of Satan. It is known she frequents the beds of not only Paul Stahlecker, but other high profile heretics like Jeremiah Cartwright. She uses her evil charms on the goodly Czar, to twist his mind. She has done so since he was last sick; when he was weakest she moved for power. If you can, kill the Czarina and try to break her evil spell on the goodly Czar.

Unite fair Mississippians, do not let Papist evils spread Calvinist evils. Fight for true Christianity. God demands it of any straight, white people.

-Justinian, Highest of Priests
Camel Eaters
05-02-2005, 03:22
A crowd had gathered under the Balcony of Angels in Huntsville. They milled about as The Speaker stepped forward. Raising his arms to the stars for a moment he looked over the crowd. His face burned with religious fire as he began.

"And the Lord shall strike them that have turned their faces against him and have sunk their heads into the mud. Brothers and Sisters in the Holy Rolling Church of Monotheism we have been confronted with a demon. A three faced beast that you hath dwealt by and lived among. THIS BEAST IS CALLED MAN! He sleeps with other beasts and goes forth in hatred! He bows to false idols in the form of women and other men. NO MAN SHALL DECEIVE YOU! The Prophets Haggis and Benji spoke these words! Kingdoms fighting against kingdoms! The Lord has turned his wrathful face to Mississippi! Where Kingdoms of the flesh and of the degenerate fight for the souls of the raised! Those that have seen the glory of GOD and have been struck aside by the thunderous wench of pride! We have seen her! And she has a mortal coil! Let God above decide who shall die in the onslaught! Let he who believes turn to the ignorant of the soul and wise of the flesh and strike him with the joy of the LORD! So sayeth the Prophets. So sayeth the Church!"

The crowd erupted in fanatic joy at the words as The Speaker continued.

"For the silencing of women is harsh. They see what a man can not and what the truth may hide! Mississippi must reform the new reformation and accept the teaching of Monotheism before they are lost to the Lord! Let them come to see that man is not divided in his folly. He falls with his brothers and he falls far. Let those who have accepted this teaching of evil and silence where silence is not due accept the Holy Rolling Church. There is no stopping on the path to Heaven. You either keep going or fall off! See the demons in the flesh that are the men and women of Mississippi. Let them see the raised pinnacles of the Lord and let them be set free. I say to the people of Mississippi cast aside your chains of pride and hatred and silence. Accept the Holy Rolling Church of Monotheism! See the wisdom of the Prophets Haggis and Benji. SO SAYETH THE PROPHETS SO SAYETH THE CHURCH!"

This chant was taken up by the audience of thousands. They fell to their knees and shouted in tongues as men and women danced under the hypnotic spell of The Speaker's words. He retreated slowly into the darkened balcony and rested.
Brydog
05-02-2005, 03:32
Rev. Al Green calls the Mississippian religion wrong and that the Devil is the only person that Fabus is going to meet. Many non-Catholics call Fabus, a non-believe and that he worships the devil and lies to his people to join his anti-god religion.
Laritia
05-02-2005, 03:42
You ignorant Christians, God can only make miracles happen and nothing more! I have seen you all (and I to am a Christian) but you all think that every gosh darn thing is a sin! THERE ARE ONLY TEN SINFUL THINGS YET YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE! A blindfolded baptist could tell the difrence. What is Calvinism anyway heh? Its prbably some false religion as screwed up as Mormonism. I say start a jihad(holy war) towards the Wiccans and Satanists. Calvinists are NO threat towards the Lords people, and so are Mormons, and all other religions(maybe Islam)except for Wicca and Satanism. And guess what Farminia EVERYONE is going to Gods kingdom not just straight white men, any one who has a good heart and a unsinful one is welcome in Heaven. And no one knows if God is white he can be anything he wants HE'S GOD! I leave you this "Whose is this image and superscription?"-Jesus MATTHEW 22. Who's is it huh? Do YOU know what the good lord looks like NO! No one has so stop speaking your lies, ALL OF YOU!
Farmina
05-02-2005, 03:51
You ignorant Christians, God can only make miracles happen and nothing more! I have seen you all (and I to am a Christian) but you all think that every gosh darn thing is a sin! THERE ARE ONLY TEN SINFUL THINGS YET YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE! A blindfolded baptist could tell the difrence. What is Calvinism anyway heh? Its prbably some false religion as screwed up as Mormonism. I say start a jihad(holy war) towards the Wiccans and Satanists. Calvinists are NO threat towards the Lords people, and so are Mormons, and all other religions(maybe Islam)except for Wicca and Satanism. And guess what Farminia EVERYONE is going to Gods kingdom not just straight white men, any one who has a good heart and a unsinful one is welcome in Heaven. And no one knows if God is white he can be anything he wants HE'S GOD! I leave you this "Whose is this image and superscription?"-Jesus MATTHEW 22. Who's is it huh? Do YOU know what the good lord looks like NO! No one has so stop speaking your lies, ALL OF YOU!

Ignorant fool. God is a straight white male. And never have we said non-whites or females are blocked from entry to heaven.
-Justinian of Farmina
Krioval
05-02-2005, 04:29
Good afternoon, I'm Kara Taylor and this is KNN*. Our top headlines this hour:

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But first, a new holography blockbuster has packed amphitheaters in all major Kriovalian cities. From Torokara to Telekar to Valak, people have been flocking to see "Hell Hath No Fury", a video experience that artfully blends traditional horror with slapstick comedy. Originally based on the speeches of a reactionary Calvinist minister of unknown origin, the tapes were collected, ported to holography, and enhanced with graphics including superbly animated fires. Here's an excerpt:

"I tell you this, and I tell you this now. This nation is doomed if we foolishly insult God with false religions and idolize popes and worship popes and bishops. God will mock us in our calamity, as it says in Proverbs one, verse twenty four through twenty seven, 'But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you- when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you.'

God is mocking us!

That is what the recent blizzard was, that is what the tornadoes in Georgia were, the Hurricanes that hit Fabus Island, all these weather problems, it is the righteous indignation of a wrathful and angry God! Remember this, the great mass of mankind is doomed, before their births even, to an eternity of fire and brimstone. Know this, the message of Jesus Christ is a message of woe

As Christ Himself said, in Matthew ten verse thirty four, 'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.'

So I say onto you now, woe, woe to the sinner, to the fornicator, to the adulteror, to the drunkard, woe to you all, for God has predestinated you for a eternity of fire and brimstone. If you are not part of the elect, you have been blinded to the truth, Romans eleven verse seven, those not in the elect, were blinded! If you are not in the elect, you too, have been blinded to the truth, to the only way to God, to the doctrine of Grace, also known as the five points of Calvinism.

Realize this, I fully expect the great mass of you here today not to heed my call, not to listen to what I tell you, for the great majority of mankind is not in the elect, they are not predestinated to be saved, they were, from before their birth, hated by God. Malachi one, verse two through three, '"Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the Lord says. "Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."'

Even while the twin brothers of Jacob and Esau were in the womb, God loved Jacob, but Esau He hated. For no other reason than that He had predestinated Esau to sinful existence and eternal damnation, and because no other reason, than that it pleased Him to do such. There is no such thing as freewill, there is only what God wills, His divine will is all there is and all there ever will be. Anybody who tries to tell you otherwise, is a viper, a lying viper, and if you listen to them, you will surely writhe in hell for all eternity. Friends, it has gotten such to the point that many churches in this nation today shame the Lord and don't keep His laws. First Corinthians fourteen, verse thirty four to thirty eight,

'Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Do you hear my voice, brothers, do you hear me? Let your women keep silence in the churches. What is not clear about that? How is that open to interpretation, it is clearly obvious and plainly simple, and church that allows women to speak, particularly if they are speaking to preach, is an insult to God and an abomination, a false church! A church of the devil! What is not clear about that brothers? What will you do brother! What will you do! Will you obey false preachers and wicked priests who want your money, will you obey those who are lying to you, and leading you to the path of ruin and damnation?

Why is this happening? First Timothy four, verse one and two, 'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.' Do you hear me brothers? They have no conscience, they are lying to you, if you obey these lying scum, you are obeying the demons that they are working for. Will you obey demons? Will you insult and mock God, for if you do, remember, He will mock your calamity, he will laugh and mock when disaster overtakes you.

Again though, I do not expect more than a few of you here today to heed my call and listen to the truth, for only the elect will know the truth when they hear it. They will be irresistibly called, drawn to the way of God, at some point in their lifetime. If you are indeed God's elect, fear not, for at some point in your life, before you die, you will be irresistibly called by God, to accept the truth, to accept the five points of Calvinism, and you will thus be saved..."

The holograph is rated R10, meaning children under ten years of age are forbidden entry, but remember, parents, this is a fairly mature topic, and children under the age of thirteen should probably sit this one out. "Hell Hath No Fury" got an overall critical review of 86% and an audience review of 94%, making this the must-see holo of the year!

***End broadcast***

Raijin turned to his Intelligence Director. "Melena, this is genius. Within months, nearly every Kriovalian has totally renounced the ideas of theocracy that nearly overwhelmed this country six years ago. How did you do it?"

"Simple. I took a trip to Mississippi - as a radical Calvinist. In a crowd of seventy-five thousand, it wasn't much to record his speech."

"And the holo directors?"

"Please, Raijin. They can tell a smash hit practically on sight. You're not the only Kriovalian with 'special senses', you know."

"Fifty million kerotars, directly into the treasury of Krioval as well. Your reward is well-earned. That seaside resort you've been eyeing in Ashera - yours."

"But Chancellor! How did you know?"

"Melena, you're not the only one with 'special senses' in Krioval, you know."

*OOC: KNN = Krioval News Network
Cair Parevel
05-02-2005, 04:33
The Kingdom of Cair Parevel roundly condones this movement in Mississippi. While Cair Parevel does not have to deal with this problem, as all citizens know the king of kings is Aslan, who sacrificed himself in order to free all citizens of Cair Parevel from sin, and who other lands refer to as Christ, we also, through personal communication with him understand that all who are good at heart and in works, although they may claim to worship such evil as Tash, are truely following Aslan, aka Christ. Therefore, your assuming to know who is saved and who is not, and basing it on such things as whoever perscribes to your religion is saved and those who do not are not, is inherintly false. All people, if they are good at heart and follow the true teachings of Aslan/Christ, are saved, be they Roman Catholic or Calvinist.
May the Grace of Aslan guide you.
High King Peter Wolfsbane
Champion of Aslan.

OOC: By the way, what you are calling Calvinism seems to actually conform more to Luther's ideas presented in The Discourse on Free Will, and other places. Calvins are a bit different. Just thought you should know.
Krioval
05-02-2005, 04:36
OOC: "condone" = "accept" (I get the feeling that's not what you had in mind)
Decisive Action
05-02-2005, 06:21
The Kingdom of Cair Parevel roundly condones this movement in Mississippi. While Cair Parevel does not have to deal with this problem, as all citizens know the king of kings is Aslan, who sacrificed himself in order to free all citizens of Cair Parevel from sin, and who other lands refer to as Christ, we also, through personal communication with him understand that all who are good at heart and in works, although they may claim to worship such evil as Tash, are truely following Aslan, aka Christ. Therefore, your assuming to know who is saved and who is not, and basing it on such things as whoever perscribes to your religion is saved and those who do not are not, is inherintly false. All people, if they are good at heart and follow the true teachings of Aslan/Christ, are saved, be they Roman Catholic or Calvinist.
May the Grace of Aslan guide you.
High King Peter Wolfsbane
Champion of Aslan.

OOC: By the way, what you are calling Calvinism seems to actually conform more to Luther's ideas presented in The Discourse on Free Will, and other places. Calvins are a bit different. Just thought you should know.


Ic-

Not everybody is saved, Catholics will be enjoying a stay in hell for eternity.

Paul Stahlecker


Ooc- Ooc (RL) I don't believe in the idea of man having any free will, I believe in absolute predestination.
Decisive Action
05-02-2005, 06:23
---Decree to the People of Mississippi---

The Devil’s lies even affect the Czar’s mind. The spread of Calvinism must be stopped. This Satanism tries to justify itself through deliberate misinterpretation and ignorance. To this we say no more.

God has given down to me a message, a message for all Catholics.

If you see a Calvinist, there is but one choice, you must kill him before he poisons the minds of your family.

When you see a building of the Reformed Church you must burn it.

When you see Paul Stahlecker you have God’s permission and his order, to cut out the demon’s heart.

When you see the Czar, beg reason with him, try and cleanse his mind of this infectious evil; for at heart he is a good man.

When you see Alice, the Czarina, spit. She is but a witch, a wife of Satan. It is known she frequents the beds of not only Paul Stahlecker, but other high profile heretics like Jeremiah Cartwright. She uses her evil charms on the goodly Czar, to twist his mind. She has done so since he was last sick; when he was weakest she moved for power. If you can, kill the Czarina and try to break her evil spell on the goodly Czar.

Unite fair Mississippians, do not let Papist evils spread Calvinist evils. Fight for true Christianity. God demands it of any straight, white people.

-Justinian, Highest of Priests


Ooc- You don't actually think we let that be broadcast in our nation, except perhaps to show people how the world hates us, since we use it as an example of the most persecuted being the faithful of God.


Ic-

"How dare you vile wretches insult not only my wife, but my brother-in-law, and then my preacher in the same sentence. My wife is a godly and righteous woman, part of the elect, and not some whore as the sort found in your nation. If you persist in this course, there will be consequences."

Czar Roger Fabus
Cair Parevel
05-02-2005, 07:27
We of Cair Parevel apologies for any confusion our condemnation may have caused. Unfourtunatly, I, High King Peter, was dictating to a slighty deaf and rather old fawn, who did not hear it quite correctly, and wrote condone insted of condemn. I admit fault as I was rushing of to a ceremony of state and did not adequetly reread the parchment. Once again apologies.

However, we at Cair Parevel would be glad to open our shores to any true followers of Christ who know that only loving Christ and being a good moral person are the signs of a Christian, and denomination does not matter. So, please citizens of Decisive Action, all those who know that the true Christ is love and not hellfire and damnation, we welcome you to our shores.

OOC: No, see Luther did not beleive in Free Will either. He was just debating someone who did. He was a firm believer in predestination, and his idea of predestination just seems a bit more similer to yours than Calvin's.
Fascist Confederacy
05-02-2005, 07:32
Do you peaople not see your mistakes? Your heretic ways? Your blasphemy? As it states in Matthew, Chapter Ten, Verse Fourty-Two: "And whosoever shall give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward." Do you now see? If you accept the beliefs of a disciple not worshiping Our Father, Who Art In Heaven, you are damned to Hell for all eternity. Follow the path if you find it. Follow the path to Him.

Sincerely,
Czar Charles Hayden

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Farmina
05-02-2005, 08:11
Ooc- You don't actually think we let that be broadcast in our nation, except perhaps to show people how the world hates us, since we use it as an example of the most persecuted being the faithful of God.


Ic-

"How dare you vile wretches insult not only my wife, but my brother-in-law, and then my preacher in the same sentence. My wife is a godly and righteous woman, part of the elect, and not some whore as the sort found in your nation. If you persist in this course, there will be consequences."

Czar Roger Fabus

OOC: Farmina has previously used technologies that override radio broadcasts and air our message over top. However this wouldn't work in this case. Hmm...I better think a way around this.
Farmina
05-02-2005, 09:37
SIC:
Czar, you block me from your people, but you block yourself from them too.

You claim to be a Calvinist, but yet by logic you can't be one of the elect. I cannot believe that you follow a faith that would condemn a man as great as yourself to hell.

How long before the Calvinists decide you are expendable, good Czar, and take power for themselves.

If you do not crush this threat now; you nation will collapse into civil war.

On a final note; I will not try to influence your people again; unless you fail to control this Calvinism. If it was up to me I would burn everyone of them for heresy.

-Justinian
Decisive Action
05-02-2005, 09:44
SIC:
Czar, you block me from your people, but you block yourself from them too.

You claim to be a Calvinist, but yet by logic you can't be one of the elect. I cannot believe that you follow a faith that would condemn a man as great as yourself to hell.

How long before the Calvinists decide you are expendable, good Czar, and take power for themselves.

If you do not crush this threat now; you nation will collapse into civil war.

On a final note; I will not try to influence your people again; unless you fail to control this Calvinism. If it was up to me I would burn everyone of them for heresy.

-Justinian


Ic-

"Stop messaging me with your trite or I'll crush your nation under the heel of the Republican Guard. Or perhaps the MSAAS will pay you a visit. Do you understand me?"

Czar Roger Fabus



Ooc-

Basically, stop saying the same thing a 100 times over in just different ways. Please... It gets really old to hear your guy spout the same thing a dozen times in one thread, in just slightly reworded ways. Either come up with something new or the Czar will have no choice but to have the MSAAS kill him, since it annoys the Czar IC.

(It also annoys me OOC, but I don't mix OOC and IC, but hey whether or not we admit it, when we get an IC reason to do something, often our OOC opinion may tip the balance in regards to whether or not we take the opportunity).

So if I get the chance IC, to kill a character who annoys my characters IC and annoys me OOC, I'll probably take it.
The Parthians
05-02-2005, 09:51
Shah Khosru heard the news of mass conversions in Mississippi with a bit of suprise. The Shah had no love for fundamentalist Christians, but he had tolerated the Armenian Christians as his predacessors did for one thousand years. Khosru knew he held the truth in his heart, he had read the Avesta and believed all of it, he was a strict Zoroastrian and felt that through his faith, Parthia was great.
Farmina
05-02-2005, 11:04
OOC: Apologies then. But at the moment I have no big war RPs on, which I have been continually involved in since Farmina was born; in short I was bored so I tried to provoke a civil war (I've succeeded twice in the past).

IC: Justinian sent the Czar three more telegrams, saying abominable things about Alice and certain Calvinists.

OOC2: I had to do that.
Decisive Action
05-02-2005, 12:27
you can, kill the Czarina and try to break her evil spell on the goodly Czar.

-Justinian, Highest of Priests



"If anybody harms or attempts to harm my wife, I will hold your entire nation and people collectively responsible, and I shall hand out collective punishment to your entire nation and people. Just remember, what I did to Seryown, Alice's own homeland, when their government tried to kill her..."

Czar Roger Fabus
Farmina
05-02-2005, 13:19
Your blind threats concern us not; your blindness is a different matter Czar.
-Justinian of Farmina

OOC: Do you have a grand scheme for your nation, or do you go where the river takes it?
VoteEarly
10-02-2005, 17:36
Your blind threats concern us not; your blindness is a different matter Czar.
-Justinian of Farmina

OOC: Do you have a grand scheme for your nation, or do you go where the river takes it?


Ooc- Sorry for delayed reply, slipped my mind, been busy with RL stuff.



Ic-

"You'd better be concerned, papist swine..."

Czar Roger Fabus
Miehm
11-04-2005, 22:52
Ooc- Sorry for delayed reply, slipped my mind, been busy with RL stuff.



Ic-

"You'd better be concerned, papist swine..."

Czar Roger Fabus


This man is not a calvinist, but a heretic in calvinist garb, for he said that he threw out the arminians, but if he were a true calvinist he would know that arminianism is just a term used to refer to more free thinking calvinists, or whoever the current ruler happens to disagree with, an arminian is simply someone who disagrees with you and is persecuted for it, were you to throw out the arminians you would have to throw out yourself also, for all calvinist forms of thought have been referred too as arminian at one time or another, the most common calvinist thought is that we do have free will, but there is a divine plan like intelligent design and evolution, God started here and it got here eventually, it is the same for free will. Cease your heresy or fall, you have been warned.

Miehm, Lord of Miehm

Deo Vindice!!!