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Paul Stahlecker, one of the most well-known and respected members of the Mississippian Reformed Church, had been lobbying for the law, which wound end what he called, "wasted efforts and insults to God", since he sincerely believed the elect were already predestined by God, as to going to heaven, and those who weren't chosen by God, were, as stated in Romans 11:7, not only ignorant of, but blinded to, the gospel and the laws of God.

Thus it seemed self-evident to him, that there was no need to preach the gospel to those God had already predestined to be damned to hell for eternity, and furthermore, there was no need to preach a doctrine that God loved everybody, because there existed in the world, limited atonement. He believed that Christ only died to take away the sins of those God had chosen to be saved, and the rest of the world was still just destined for damnation.


He had spent the last twelve years, lobbying as hard as he could, first to Curtis, and then now to Roger, to try to get evangelizing banned and outlawed, as it was, in his view, contrary to everything God wanted. Curtis, a Roman Catholic, was less than receptive to the idea, but Roger, a Russian Orthodox (converted from Roman Catholic) with a large politicization from Social Darwinistic and racial science teachings, a mixture of Christian Identity and Southern Baptist also thrown in, was much more open to the idea.

After four months of nearly constant calls from Paul, meetings, and heated debates, Roger agreed to authorize the ban on evangelizing.




Paul spoke via the White Peoples Radio and Television Network on the matter. He stood before the camera, tall and proud, saying loudly, "Today we have struck a blow for God, for we have made it law what is written in the bible.

As stated in Romans 9:16, 'So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy', we have made it such. What you will yourself to do, is totally meaningless, there is no free will, nothing at all, all is determined by God, and has been determined by God since the beginning of time!

As in Revelations 20:15, 'And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.' God has known, and He has decided, since the beginning of time, who will be saved, and who will be damned to hell for eternity! There is no questioning the will of God, man is helpless before His will! It is through the grace of God, alone, that man can be saved.

And if He wills you to be saved, you cannot resist His will. Simply read, Romans 9:11, 'For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth'. God knows, He has decided, predestined, everything is determined before it happens, nothing happens that He has not decided!

Thus you can begin to see the pointlessness in preaching to those who he has, according to Romans, '7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.' Blinded to the gospel, those not predestined, not only can they not find their way to Him, but nobody can, He calls you! But not only that, they cannot even hear Him, they will never believe! They will never see! They have not been called to God because He has not willed it, He has not predestined it! Thus you can see, evangelizing is pointless, it is a waste of time, an insult to God. Those He wills to save, will be saved. The rest, will be damned to hell!"


After continuing on for sixty more minutes with what basically amounted to preaching, Paul smiled at the camera, shouted, "Remember, nothing happens that He doesn't will!" and then the broadcast ended.

Ooc- And yes, I believe in Calvinist doctrine, if anybody wants to debate me about that though, this isn't the proper place. Although you're more than welcome to get into an IC fight with Paul if you'd like. But if you want to debate me, IM or TG, please.

Farmina congratulates Mississippi for its strong stance on heretics; even if the Mississippian Reformed Church isn’t as pure as the Grey Catholic Church of God.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

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How can you turn your backs on those who have not yet found the light? There is always a chance for repentance and forgiveness, if the repentance is truely felt, and yet you seak to deny that chance to all those who have not been exposed to the truth? You are denying free will itself? The basic tenent of Christianity that although God died for us on the cross, we must choose to make his sacrifice worthwhile? When you remove the choice, we become no better than the damned mohamedans and idol worshiping hindus This comes perilously close to heresy. I shall request all of Jacksonton to pray that you overturn this unchristian declaration that the dammned are dammned and we can do nothing to gain God's forgiveness after sinning, for if you do not, then you are surely damned yourselves.

Bishop Brent
Church of the Great Trial
Jacksonton

Veragrad applauds DA's decision to acknowledge that if there is a God, everything must be predestined. Further, we congradulate them on ceasing to irritate those of other faiths with calls to convert. We only hope that in time they realize that predestination and a loving, compassionate God are incompatible.

Under-Secretary of Philosophical Correctness Kerensky
Supreme Work Gang
Veragrad

P3X1299 National News Broadcast

CEO-Premier John Carter gave this statement about religion today. "Who cares what deity a man worships? That is between him, and his god or idol, or whatever he calls it. If a man wants to worship his dog, let him. I don't care, as long as he fulfills his obligations to my contract, assuming that I've got one with him. If not, I really don't care and frankly it's none of my business. I've got better things to do with my business, like make my business grow."

We here at the P3X1299 National News Network agree that your business should be making our business grow, or whatever Johnny-boy there said. Dial us now to find out how for only a few Thalers you can advertise nation-wide. Anyway, it's time for my coffee break. The anchor flipped the camera the bird, apparently unaware that he was still being broadcast and walked off of the stage. On that note, the PNN broadcast ended.

Sevaris glad to see that Mississippi has decided to stop evangelising. People can find God best when they find the religion that suits them.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim

Sevaris glad to see that Mississippi has decided to stop evangelising. People can find God best when they find the religion that suits them.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim



"No, you don't find God, you're either chosen by Him or you just go to hell, it's really quite simple."

Paul Stahlecker

How can you turn your backs on those who have not yet found the light? There is always a chance for repentance and forgiveness, if the repentance is truely felt, and yet you seak to deny that chance to all those who have not been exposed to the truth? You are denying free will itself? The basic tenent of Christianity that although God died for us on the cross, we must choose to make his sacrifice worthwhile? When you remove the choice, we become no better than the damned mohamedans and idol worshiping hindus This comes perilously close to heresy. I shall request all of Jacksonton to pray that you overturn this unchristian declaration that the dammned are dammned and we can do nothing to gain God's forgiveness after sinning, for if you do not, then you are surely damned yourselves.

Bishop Brent
Church of the Great Trial
Jacksonton

Veragrad applauds DA's decision to acknowledge that if there is a God, everything must be predestined. Further, we congradulate them on ceasing to irritate those of other faiths with calls to convert. We only hope that in time they realize that predestination and a loving, compassionate God are incompatible.

Under-Secretary of Philosophical Correctness Kerensky
Supreme Work Gang
Veragrad



"No man can find God, God calls to man, man does not find God, but God selects man. Man is "elected" to believe in God, if you are not elected, then nothing in the world will change the fact you are blinded to the gospel."

Paul Stahlecker

'I find the incredibly hostile and punitive nature of your religious faith to be disturbing, while at the same time it makes perfect sense. This is the reason why you never have, and never will, know what true peace is like.'

Pharaoh Tuthmosis VII
The Spiritual Community of Ra-Horakty


OOC: Are you working towards some kind of bloody people's rebellion, or something?

'I find the incredibly hostile and punitive nature of your religious faith to be disturbing, while at the same time it makes perfect sense. This is the reason why you never have, and never will, know what true peace is like.'

Pharaoh Tuthmosis VII
The Spiritual Community of Ra-Horakty


OOC: Are you working towards some kind of bloody people's rebellion, or something?


Ooc- Not really, why would people rebel when they're ever so happy to be told what to, when to do it, how to do it, and why to do it. :D

Farmina congratulates Mississippi for its strong stance on heretics; even if the Mississippian Reformed Church isn’t as pure as the Grey Catholic Church of God.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

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Ic-

"You need to repent and change your ways, get out of that fag catholic church and stop listening to that tired old demon of a pope, that false prophet."

Paul Stahlecker



Ooc-

Sure, I'll check out the link

Grey Catholics are...unique. We are not truly Catholics, as we do not before a false idol, that is to say, the Pope.

We do however support strong Christian intervention; and use many, perhaps outdated, Catholic rituals.

Our religion is based on the upmost dedication and the strictest rules to prevent people sinning. It is to prevent the sins of other nations Farminans lay down their lives; trying continuously to bring God to the misbelievers.

-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

Grey Catholics are...unique. We are not truly Catholics, as we do not before a false idol, that is to say, the Pope.

We do however support strong Christian intervention; and use many, perhaps outdated, Catholic rituals.

Our religion is based on the upmost dedication and the strictest rules to prevent people sinning. It is to prevent the sins of other nations Farminans lay down their lives; trying continuously to bring God to the misbelievers.

-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina


"By attempting to carry the word to those not meant by God to believe, you are angering God and will get yourself damned to hell. The Elect will find God because God will lead the Elect to Him."

Paul Stahlecker

Ooc- Not really, why would people rebel when they're ever so happy to be told what to, when to do it, how to do it, and why to do it. :D

OOC: I dunno, I just thought it'd be fun to do that sort of thing. Heck, maybe even let them win, if only for a time. *Shrugs*. The possibility's always there. If history's taught us anything, it's that not all people always like being told what to do.

Prominent Catholic Bishop Anthony Raoul of the Alexian Empire had this to say

"All who belive this that is layed down by the madmen of Missisipi insult god and are herectics to the last. So you say that god wills that those you perceive as herectics to live? You say that god wanted the peasants to revolt in Missisipi?

This is the largest single showing of hypocrisy I have ever heard.

But, it is perhaps, a good thing.American evanglists are simply greedy trickster, who play on the peoples belief in the lord."

The Alexian Goverment, being fearfull of the religious hierachies, allowed the message to be broadcast.

Prominent Catholic Bishop Anthony Raoul of the Alexian Empire had this to say

"All who belive this that is layed down by the madmen of Missisipi insult god and are herectics to the last. So you say that god wills that those you perceive as herectics to live? You say that god wanted the peasants to revolt in Missisipi?

This is the largest single showing of hypocrisy I have ever heard.

But, it is perhaps, a good thing.American evanglists are simply greedy trickster, who play on the peoples belief in the lord."

The Alexian Goverment, being fearfull of the religious hierachies, allowed the message to be broadcast.



"Sorry, we obviously won't allow that to be broadcast into our nation, indeed I am lobbying hard to have the false Catholic religion banned totally in our lands."

Paul Stahlecker

The Archbishops of Zackaroth laughed when they heard of this news. They were amused that the Missppians were so lost and fooled by Satan's ways. We can only pray that God can show you the errors of your ways so that you yourselfs are not casted into the lake of fire and brimstone.

From the Archbishops of Zackaroth.

"Sorry, we obviously won't allow that to be broadcast into our nation, indeed I am lobbying hard to have the false Catholic religion banned totally in our lands."

Paul Stahlecker


No, of course not into Decisive Action! As a statement stating the posistion of the Alexian Catholic Church.


But how could you ban catholiscism when the king's father is a catholic?

The Archbishops of Zackaroth laughed when they heard of this news. They were amused that the Missppians were so lost and fooled by Satan's ways. We can only pray that God can show you the errors of your ways so that you yourselfs are not casted into the lake of fire and brimstone.

From the Archbishops of Zackaroth.



"The bible tells us those who do the work of Christ will be greatly hated and persecuted by the masses, for the masses are blind, for they are not predestined as part of the Elect, they are doomed to the fires of hell, even before they have left the womb, even before conception were they doomed!"

Paul Stahlecker

"No, you don't find God, you're either chosen by Him or you just go to hell, it's really quite simple."

Paul Stahlecker

"Not at all, Paul..One finds their way to God and the ultimate truth through whatever religion they may believe in. We are not damned yet. One enters heaven based on the kind of life they led."

-Yuna Mannerheim

"Not at all, Paul..One finds their way to God and the ultimate truth through whatever religion they may believe in. We are not damned yet. One enters heaven based on the kind of life they led."

-Yuna Mannerheim



"Justification is by faith alone. Through the grace of God alone, are we saved from depravity."

Paul Stahlecker

"Well, assuming that it exists, all of us will go to Hell, sparing our souls from having to hear you sisterfucking idiots talk out of your asses for the rest of eternity. Thus, I am thankful that only you and your allies are included in the elect."-The Great Leader Li.

"Justification is by faith alone. Through the grace of God alone, are we saved from depravity."

Paul Stahlecker

"Not necessarily. God is not the only way to get to heaven. One gets to heaven/hell based on what they did in their life- whether or not they were good or evil."

-Yuna Mannerheim

"No, you don't find God, you're either chosen by Him or you just go to hell, it's really quite simple."

Paul Stahlecker

"Nay, God does not pick and choose favorites. God loves all who hold Him dear in their hearts and repent of sin."

-Father Theodore Caulfield, RB Catholic Church

"Nay, God does not pick and choose favorites. God loves all who hold Him dear in their hearts and repent of sin."

-Father Theodore Caulfield, RB Catholic Church



"Silence papist, you will not spread your popery in our nation!"

Paul Stahlecker

"Silence papist, you will not spread your popery in our nation!"

Paul Stahlecker

"Son, I had conversations with the Lord, in the Lord's house! Your tainted views are not the same as His! You are a vile heretic!"

-Father Theodore Caulfield

"...indeed I am lobbying hard to have the false Catholic religion banned totally in our lands."

Paul Stahlecker


If you turly belive what you preach, then why waste your efforts on things of such ilk? Why concern yourself with faiths not your own, if you genuinly belive they are beyond all possible salvation, and that those who can be saved, will be, regaurdless of the words and actions of mortal man?

This is one of the few moves that DA has made recently that I don't like. People should be allowed to think that He loves them until they find themselves in hell, at which point they will lose all hope. If the masses start to realize that heaven is not for them, then they will cease living moral lives because they know they are predestined to hell.

Czar Sam Fabus

"By attempting to carry the word to those not meant by God to believe, you are angering God and will get yourself damned to hell. The Elect will find God because God will lead the Elect to Him."

Paul Stahlecker

Let us use your logic; all things are predetermined in God's great plan. Therefore, Farmina's galant actions are predetermined; and thus the thousands we have saved from Hell were part of God' great plan. It was elected by God that we save those who he elected to be saved.

Furthermore, a pre-determined future or otherwise, the Bible clearly states that we should save as many as we can.
-Bishop Walker

Let us use your logic; all things are predetermined in God's great plan. Therefore, Farmina's galant actions are predetermined; and thus the thousands we have saved from Hell were part of God' great plan. It was elected by God that we save those who he elected to be saved.

Furthermore, a pre-determined future or otherwise, the Bible clearly states that we should save as many as we can.
-Bishop Walker


"If you support the Catholic Church, you're already headed to hell, do you hear me, HEADED TO HELL! All you're doing is giving people this willy-nilly good feeling inside that they have hope, or at least that they can get to purgatory, some Catholic invention made up to make sinners feel good about themselves. I tell you this, if you believe in the Catholic Church and all the pomps of popery, you're headed to hell!"

Paul Stahlecker

We have had enough of your blasphemy and your direct violation of God's word. You have been officially declared a true foreigner*.
-Bishop Walker

OOC: *Foreigner and madman are substitutable in Farmina.

OOC: If you ever went to Landoverbaptist.org, DA, your ideas here sound similar.

IC: I declare that I have received the Good Religion of the worshippers of Ohrmazd and have no doubts concerning it not for any bodily or spiritual comfort that it may bring, not for a pleasant life or for a long life, nor yet because I know that my consciousness must needs part company with my body. I shall never apostatize from the Good Religion of the worshippers of Ahura Mazda (Ohrmazd), and I have no doubts concerning it. I neither approve of nor respect other religions, nor do I lend them credence. For it is plain that of thoughts, words, and deeds it is deeds only that are the criterion: for the will is unstable, thought is impalpable, but deeds are palpable indeed, and by the deeds that men do are they made known.

(Chidag Andarz i Poryotkeshan (The Chatechism) 23-26)

It is plain that deeds are indeed what is most pleasing to Ahura Mazda, for to Zarathustra, He revealed his infinite wisdom to pass on to mandkind.

-Shah Khosru III

OOC: If you ever went to Landoverbaptist.org, DA, your ideas here sound similar.

IC: I declare that I have received the Good Religion of the worshippers of Ohrmazd and have no doubts concerning it not for any bodily or spiritual comfort that it may bring, not for a pleasant life or for a long life, nor yet because I know that my consciousness must needs part company with my body. I shall never apostatize from the Good Religion of the worshippers of Ahura Mazda, and I have no doubts concerning it. I neither approve of nor respect other religions, nor do I lend them credence. For it is plain that of thoughts, words, and deeds it is deeds only that are the criterion: for the will is unstable, thought is impalpable, but deeds are palpable indeed, and by the deeds that men do are they made known.

(Chidag Andarz i Poryotkeshan (The Chatechism) 23-26)

It is plain that deeds are indeed what is most pleasing to Ahura Mazda, for to Zarathustra, He revealed his infinite wisdom to pass on to mandkind.

-Shah Khosru III


Ooc-

I believe in the following:

Total Depravity- Nobody can turn to God, God calls man to Him, since all people are wicked they cannot find God on their own. Only by the grace of God can we be saved.

Limited Atonement- Jesus Christ did not die for the entire world, rather He only died for the Elect. Only those God wishes to have mercy on, did Christ die for.

Unconditional Election- God chooses the Elect for reasons of His divine mercy, not for reasons of "good works", etc.

Irresistible Grace- God's grace cannot be resisted, no man can stand against the will of God.

Perseverance of the Saints- Those called to God will continue to believe and continue in faith until the end.

"Bearing witness to the nearly constant bickering between "One True God" monotheists continues to reinforce the widsom of the people of Krioval. In multiciplity, we have found sanctity and protection; in singularity, strife and devastation. We recognize any and all beneficial beings who wish to pass through our most blessed land, but we block, with all necessary force, the intrusion of false piety wrought by religions systems designed to promote one class of people at the expense of another."

from the verdict against former High Priest Branok Dova, read by:
Commander Raijin Dekker
Kriovalian Imperial Chancellor

"Bearing witness to the nearly constant bickering between "One True God" monotheists continues to reinforce the widsom of the people of Krioval. In multiciplity, we have found sanctity and protection; in singularity, strife and devastation. We recognize any and all beneficial beings who wish to pass through our most blessed land, but we block, with all necessary force, the intrusion of false piety wrought by religions systems designed to promote one class of people at the expense of another."

from the verdict against former High Priest Branok Dova, read by:
Commander Raijin Dekker
Kriovalian Imperial Chancellor
Foul heresy; at its very worst. If we weren't so busy preparing slaughter those who speak Satan's languages of Socialism and Islam; we could come to protect your people from such foul teachings.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

Foul heresy; at its very worst. If we weren't so busy preparing slaughter those who speak Satan's languages of Socialism and Islam; we could come to protect your people from such foul teachings.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

***Begin transmission***

Honorable Justinian of Farmina, when those who claim worship in the same God finally resolve their differences, whether through discussion or force, and there is only one monotheism, then so will there be Krioval. We will endure. Until that day, however, as we are neither Muslim nor Socialist, we see no reason to further interfere in your politics.

However, we are puzzled. Krioval is a nation of barely 18 million. We do, I freely admit, wish to spread the benefits of democracy, but we typically restrict our conversion efforts to the personal level. Further, we are more apostate than heretical, which should ultimately provide a lesser challenge for your churches to fight. After all, so few monotheists jump straight to polytheism these days. Ultimately, I wonder what it is about our modest nation that seems to indicate a threat to your hegemony. I eagerly await the reply of your government.

***End Transmission***

Chancellor Raijin leaned back in his chair and allowed his head to rest on the cushion. Gods, I love this job, he mused, before calling for Kiv Andros, his top military commander. This summons, however, was far more personal than military.

"Kiv, the whole world's gone mad."

The general walked over to the chancellor. "Yes, Valiyos. It certainly has. Yet we'll bring sanity to it or die trying."

"Side by side?"

"Is there any other way?"

With that, the two left the communications room and headed for their quarters, pointedly aware that they may have made an enemy that day...a powerful enemy at that.

"Do psychiatrists make a very good living off the leaders of your nation alone? Honestly, another religious fanatic declaring what he believes to be truth, while all people have their own individual truths. Except for in a nation where religion is enforced and free will is supressed. Your people are not happy to be told what to do, how to think, etc. It is human nature to have free will, and they will not go long with that will caged like an animal before they break free.

The only logical path is to let people practice whatever religion they like, as long as it does not hurt others. My government and I are atheist, as has been the rule of thought since the days of my father. We let others celebrate religion how they wish, and it makes the people happy.

Try to realize that what you are doing is nailing yet another nail in the coffin of your government. The people will not stay under your rule for long. They will revolt.

And your nation shall be better for it."

-Ellison Chaknov

Notice To The Nation of Decisive Action

From: The Greater Prussian Crown

As Minister of the Interior of the Greater Prussian Crown, and as a Calvinist and a follower of Christian belief, strongly advise that you repeal this unjust and un-Christian law or the Crown will begin reviewing its options in relation to your country.

Signed,
King Jason Conners the First - The Conservative Empire of RightWing Conspirators

Under the Authority of Emperor Napoleon of the Greater Prussian Crown

***Begin transmission***

Honorable Justinian of Farmina, when those who claim worship in the same God finally resolve their differences, whether through discussion or force, and there is only one monotheism, then so will there be Krioval. We will endure. Until that day, however, as we are neither Muslim nor Socialist, we see no reason to further interfere in your politics.

However, we are puzzled. Krioval is a nation of barely 18 million. We do, I freely admit, wish to spread the benefits of democracy, but we typically restrict our conversion efforts to the personal level. Further, we are more apostate than heretical, which should ultimately provide a lesser challenge for your churches to fight. After all, so few monotheists jump straight to polytheism these days. Ultimately, I wonder what it is about our modest nation that seems to indicate a threat to your hegemony. I eagerly await the reply of your government.

***End Transmission***

Chancellor Raijin leaned back in his chair and allowed his head to rest on the cushion. Gods, I love this job, he mused, before calling for Kiv Andros, his top military commander. This summons, however, was far more personal than military.

"Kiv, the whole world's gone mad."

The general walked over to the chancellor. "Yes, Valiyos. It certainly has. Yet we'll bring sanity to it or die trying."

"Side by side?"

"Is there any other way?"

With that, the two left the communications room and headed for their quarters, pointedly aware that they may have made an enemy that day...a powerful enemy at that.

We care not for hegemony. We do care that your government fails to protect its people throughly. What role above protection is there for a government. You fail to protect your people from their own sinful nature and thus you let them doom themselves to hell.

What type of leader would do that to their own people?
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

Ooc-

I believe in the following:

*Snip*


OOC: Are you telling me that your IC practices are based on your OOC beliefs?

The familiar tune buzzes of Rotovian National News as streams of images glide accross the screen, foregrounded by a transperent spining globe. The trademark introduction fades out into a news panel begins for the first time in weeks without point-blank accusations against Maxwell Powers.

"Good Evening, I'm Sally Anders!"

"I'm Dean Thebes..."

"And I'm Lucy Chong!"

"And you're watching RNN, when it happens... we know first! Rumours of talks between President Bacchus and major world leaders begin to spread in Athens, Cretian Militia groups arrested by the new Communist Government, the Athens Lions thrash the Spartan Spears in last night's match... but first... Rotovia's religous leaders throw in their opinion on Decisive Action..."

The feed switchs to outside St Joan Anglicus Cathederal, where a Cardinal stands in full robes.

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15). This is the command of God, all those who defy the explicit command of God are damned to Hell for their commision of the one unforgivable sin, that of Blashemy against the Holy Ghost!

We are eternally the servant of God or the servants of Satan, man cannot serve two masters. When you donot do the will of God, then you are condemned to Hell with the Damned.

It is with great sadeness that I enact my authority as Pontifix Maximus of the Catholic Church of Rotovian an order the excommunication of Roger Fubus. It is hereafter order that Roger Fubus be seperated from the Christian body and be baned from the attendence of sacrements. Let no Christian give him shelter or perform any duty towards him, let no Catholic support him nor condone him under pains of hellfire. May this action show him the error of his ways and return to the truth of God!"

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15).

OOC: Thats the passage I wanted.

OOC: Are you telling me that your IC practices are based on your OOC beliefs?

Ooc-

I'm saying that I'm an OOC Calvinist, wasn't that just clearly stated, don't you go trying to read into something and say DA is a mirror of myself. I said that this (posted Calvinist doctrine) is what I believe. I know where you're going with this, trying to extend it to say I'm a mirror of DA.

Anyway, I OOC don't believe in evangelizing, since the Elect will be called to God, and if you preach to the heathen, you're just wasting time, they're blinded, by God, to the true word. (Romans 11:7)

Notice To The Nation of Decisive Action

From: The Greater Prussian Crown

As Minister of the Interior of the Greater Prussian Crown, and as a Calvinist and a follower of Christian belief, strongly advise that you repeal this unjust and un-Christian law or the Crown will begin reviewing its options in relation to your country.

Signed,
King Jason Conners the First - The Conservative Empire of RightWing Conspirators

Under the Authority of Emperor Napoleon of the Greater Prussian Crown




"We strongly suggest you consider not making subtle threats about our domestic laws and policies which don't affect you, or if you do, at least realize what our armed forces are capable of, and the number of countries we've laid waste to thus far. You'd wind up nothing more than a statistic."

Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister


P.S. If you really believe in evangelism, you're insulting God and are headed to hell, do you hear me, headed to hell. And if that is the case, Mississippi wants nothing to do with you.

It is with great sadeness that I enact my authority as Pontifix Maximus of the Catholic Church of Rotovian an order the excommunication of Roger Fubus. It is hereafter order that Roger Fubus be seperated from the Christian body and be baned from the attendence of sacrements. Let no Christian give him shelter or perform any duty towards him, let no Catholic support him nor condone him under pains of hellfire. May this action show him the error of his ways and return to the truth of God!"



"First of all, how could you, a papist, excommunicate me from my own church, which happens to be Mississippian Russian Orthodox... Secondly, how could you, a papist who supposedly has helpers and assistants, spell my last name wrong, I'm not some goon out of the woodwork, I'm the Czar of the Mississippian Federation, by spelling my name wrong, you insult me."

Czar Roger Fabus

Moronyicka has long considered Mississippi to be one of are close allies, willing to give you military support in times of need, however we strongly disagree with these new beliefs. You are obviously only picking certain verses from the bible. I think you should read the whole thing. It many times talks about spreading the gospel to everyone, ever here of the great commission?

We strongly wish you would rethink this decision, until then, are nations are no longer allies

--King Jedo

Moronyicka has long considered Mississippi to be one of are close allies, willing to give you military support in times of need, however we strongly disagree with these new beliefs. You are obviously only picking certain verses from the bible. I think you should read the whole thing. It many times talks about spreading the gospel to everyone, ever here of the great commission?

We strongly wish you would rethink this decision, until then, are nations are no longer allies

--King Jedo



"I would be happy with the law being edited to outlaw Calvinists from evangelizing, since they are the Elect and not meant to evangelize. If godless Catholics wish to evangelize, they ought to be welcome to do so, but they lead people down the path to damnation."

Paul Stahlecker

That would be better. I believe you should suggest this.

-King Jedo

We care not for hegemony. We do care that your government fails to protect its people throughly. What role above protection is there for a government. You fail to protect your people from their own sinful nature and thus you let them doom themselves to hell.

What type of leader would do that to their own people?
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

Most Honored Justinina, Rules of Farmina,

Ours is a government determined by the citizens of all Krioval. In the end, it is the choice of the populace whether they are motivated toward your Heaven, our Blessed Lands, or any of the various hells that have been posited over the centuries. They choose the direction; I merely try to find the fastest way to go in that direction. Should my people choose otherwise, I would likely not retain power for very long. But on behalf of all Krioval, I do thank you for your concerns on the well-being of our modest nation.

Commander Raijin Dekker

Most Honored Justinina, Rules of Farmina,

Ours is a government determined by the citizens of all Krioval. In the end, it is the choice of the populace whether they are motivated toward your Heaven, our Blessed Lands, or any of the various hells that have been posited over the centuries. They choose the direction; I merely try to find the fastest way to go in that direction. Should my people choose otherwise, I would likely not retain power for very long. But on behalf of all Krioval, I do thank you for your concerns on the well-being of our modest nation.

Commander Raijin Dekker

Foolish democrats. Strong government is required to protect the people from themselves. Instead you allow your people to sin their way to hell, because of "democracy." Your government and your democracy has been labelled unfit to rule. Farmina is more than happy to rectify the problems inherent in your system.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

Foolish democrats. Strong government is required to protect the people from themselves. Instead you allow your people to sin their way to hell, because of "democracy." Your government and your democracy has been labelled unfit to rule. Farmina is more than happy to rectify the problems inherent in your system.
-Justinian, Ruler of Farmina

That's quite all right. We wouldn't want to distract the forces of mighty Farmina from more pressing matters. I would disdain to associate with Muslim fanatics or Communists in order to preserve our nation's integrity anyway. I prefer to leave you to your work and to be left to mine until our two paths cross again. For now, will you consider that acceptable, Honored Justinian?

Commander Raijin Dekker

You ask me to ignore such foul corruption of the duties of government.

If so my answer is no. You may say it is my job to protect my people; but truth be known; God has given me the duty to see that all people are protected; yours are quite clearly not.

We are watching you; we are preparing; show us that you can run a nation properly.
-Justinian

OOC: Sorry about the late and short reply; I'm preparing NSTV for launch.

"We strongly suggest you consider not making subtle threats about our domestic laws and policies which don't affect you, or if you do, at least realize what our armed forces are capable of, and the number of countries we've laid waste to thus far. You'd wind up nothing more than a statistic."

Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister


P.S. If you really believe in evangelism, you're insulting God and are headed to hell, do you hear me, headed to hell. And if that is the case, Mississippi wants nothing to do with you.

King Conners, shook his head as he read the notice from DA's Foreign Minister. "He's gone ahead and broken his own law...Condemning me to hell...even though it's not his choice. What a confused government this must be."

He took to writing his letter,

"Dear Minister Stahlecker,
Read as much as you may please into our 'subtle threats', make your own threats.

The Greater Prussian crown has made it's stance clear, this may not affect our laws or our people, but it is a clear perversion of the Christian faith; one that we will not stand by and and allow to be commited without some resistance.

We do agree with you on some stances, the Roman Catholic Church is not a branch of Christianity it
is more of a cult and the Pope we denounce to be an Anti-Christ figure. However, the way you are going
about teaching calvinism, well it's best said that Calvin would disagree with you.

As for your P.S. I hope you realize that you have broken your own law of Evangelism, and have taken it upon yourself to let me know that I am going to hell. Hardly a Calvinist position as you have made it clear that you know where I am going, and it is not your position to know, only God has that knowledge. We may make educated guesses at the time we meet a person based on what God has taught us from the bible about the elect.

May this disagreement come to a good end.

King Jason Conners the First
The Conservative Empire of RightWing Conspirators
Minister of the Interior of the Greater Prussian Empire

"First of all, how could you, a papist, excommunicate me from my own church, which happens to be Mississippian Russian Orthodox... Secondly, how could you, a papist who supposedly has helpers and assistants, spell my last name wrong, I'm not some goon out of the woodwork, I'm the Czar of the Mississippian Federation, by spelling my name wrong, you insult me."

Czar Roger Fabus
"You are expelled from the one Church, that is the Body of Christ, those who seek and follow the teaching of the God and of His Son. Furthermore The Catholic Church take great delite insulting you, for you sir of such low standing that not even the lowest of servents would deserve the humiliation of verifying the spelling of your name"

Fr Joseph Mercedes
Archbishop of Attica

You ask me to ignore such foul corruption of the duties of government.

If so my answer is no. You may say it is my job to protect my people; but truth be known; God has given me the duty to see that all people are protected; yours are quite clearly not.

We are watching you; we are preparing; show us that you can run a nation properly.
-Justinian



At least we've got to the point where we can relax on the formalities a bit! I mean, despite our glaring differences, we're both honorable people. I'm sufficiently honorable that I'd simply rather leave this conflict on a personal rather than a multinational level, and to your credit, you're sufficiently honorable that you'd likely not invade a nation whose population is about thirty times less than your own. Besides, the dead are unable to convert, right?

Anyway, my time is short for this discussion. I must prepare my delegation to the site of a ravaged Catholic cathedral. We have been invited to observe a Novena and to offer our condolences to the victims of the tragedy. Perhaps I will meet your delegates there?

***transmission ends***

"Well, it looks like they won't completely destroy us. At least not today," Raijin said, looking at the other Councillors.

"Just watch yourself, Raijin," Kiv Andros whispered to the Chancellor. "I don't how things would go if something happened to you."

OOC: Well, I never thought trying to press a point while simultaneously avoiding being whomped by a country 30X bigger than mine would be this entertaining. Also, don't worry about when you respond - I don't even know which time zone you're in (it's nearly midnight here)!

Dear Chancellor,

I am sure we can reach a compromise. I understand some nations feel their traditions are worth protecting, for the Almighty knows what reason; but we do need to have your citizens safety protected from their inherently sinful nature.

A ravage Catholic cathedral is exactly the evidence of a lack of protection in your country. Your reference to death is foolish; it is better to save some of your people than none at all.

If wish to keep your integrity and soveriegnty; I suggest you submit to our demands. In exchange we will protect you against threats larger than yourself.

I shall have a delegate meet you, but be warned continued defiance of the light shall see us forced to full mobilisation.

-Justinian

OOC: I'll post a seperate threadCLICK HERE, so we stop hijacking DAs.