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Somewhere on the way to Decisive Action

George Lenix thanked God for the ear protection he had. If not for that he would be immediately deafened by the roar of the 1st Charlton Heston Air Armada – one hundred Howard Dean Mark I stategic bombers and one thousand Ann Coulter Mark III fighter-bombers.

He shrugged uncomfortably at that definition. The AC-III was not a very good fighter – not too manoeverable. Where it did excel was firepower. Even now when it was carrying six extended fuel tanks to get to Decisive Action, it still carried six medium range air-to-air missiles and 10 Yakhont-3’s (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Yakhont_3). Sure, it would be screwed in a dogfight. He hoped he wouldn’t.

In a Bunker in Allanea

Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky smiled as he spoke into the camera.

Friends, citizens, Allaneans!

Six hours ago, the Senate has ordered me to begin a war. A righteous campaign of justice against the fascist haven called Decisive Action. As I speak, the legendary Charlton Heston Air Armada is already on it’s way to that third world craphole.

I will be short on words – you already know what this is about, and I will not insult you by lecturing. I will simply paraphrase a great man, Dr. Howard Dean of Vermont: We’ll bomb Jacksonville! And Houston! And Monterrei! And then we’ll send in the Marines and string up Roger Fabus! Yeee-haa!

Somewhere on the way to Decisive Action

“We are within range. All pilots ready!”

“Yes, Annie-357, coming up right behind you, all missiles armed and ready to dance.”

Every pilot chose himself five targets – from what they knew from sattelite observance. When the missiles detached from the Coulters, there would be in total 5,000 of them. Many would be shot down by CIWS. Some – unlikely –would miss altogether. Still, many would probably hit – and the Howard Dean bombers have not fired their payloads yet.

Uh...

He's going to ignore it.

((OOC: Yeah, that's the reason he hasn't been utterly destroyed.))

He's going to ignore it.OOC: Not wanting to spam too much, I don't really see why he should ignore this. I mean, looking at some of Decisive Actions previous actions, it's not surprising that some nation is eventually going to take a swipe... meanwhile Allanea is easily his equal in RP standards.

Well, I dispise Fabus so I don't pitty him but I agree that he may ignore it. Then again he may not.

Somewhere on the way to Decisive Action

George Lenix thanked God for the ear protection he had. If not for that he would be immediately deafened by the roar of the 1st Charlton Heston Air Armada – one hundred Howard Dean Mark I stategic bombers and one thousand Ann Coulter Mark III fighter-bombers.

He shrugged uncomfortably at that definition. The AC-III was not a very good fighter – not too manoeverable. Where it did excel was firepower. Even now when it was carrying six extended fuel tanks to get to Decisive Action, it still carried six medium range air-to-air missiles and 10 Yakhont-3’s (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Yakhont_3). Sure, it would be screwed in a dogfight. He hoped he wouldn’t.

In a Bunker in Allanea

Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky smiled as he spoke into the camera.

Friends, citizens, Allaneans!

Six hours ago, the Senate has ordered me to begin a war. A righteous campaign of justice against the fascist haven called Decisive Action. As I speak, the legendary Charlton Heston Air Armada is already on it’s way to that third world craphole.

I will be short on words – you already know what this is about, and I will not insult you by lecturing. I will simply paraphrase a great man, Dr. Howard Dean of Vermont: We’ll bomb Jacksonville! And Houston! And Monterrei! And then we’ll send in the Marines and string up Roger Fabus! Yeee-haa!

Somewhere on the way to Decisive Action

“We are within range. All pilots ready!”

“Yes, Annie-357, coming up right behind you, all missiles armed and ready to dance.”

Every pilot chose himself five targets – from what they knew from sattelite observance. When the missiles detached from the Coulters, there would be in total 5,000 of them. Many would be shot down by CIWS. Some – unlikely –would miss altogether. Still, many would probably hit – and the Howard Dean bombers have not fired their payloads yet.


If I let everybody with OOC reasons only declare war on me, I'd be swamped with crap and would never have time to RP what I'd like. I really don't know who you are, I've only made about two posts in threads you're in. I just really don't like people coming on out of the woodwork, who I've never heard of, and springing crap that makes no sense as to why...

OOC: If they have their reasons and its perfectly legitimate then why ignore it? As someone already said; thats why you haven't been destroyed. You attract so much antipathy from others that your just begging to be attacked. Good luck Allanea; very nice opening post. Look forward to seeing more

If I let everybody with OOC reasons only declare war on me, I'd be swamped with crap and would never have time to RP what I'd like. I really don't know who you are, I've only made about two posts in threads you're in. I just really don't like people coming on out of the woodwork, who I've never heard of, and springing crap that makes no sense as to why...

((OOC: The fact that ICly you're a Nazi gives every commie here a legitimate reason to invade you. Weak, but legitimate.))

Look at me! I am teeth, I am fur, I am dribble! I am the wolf-man... homo wolfus! My rocket is made from pure carbon and smashes through planets! I am wolf man! I hate being bored, and I can punch suns! I am the wolfman; a huge rancid dog traveling at 5000 miles per hour! Wolf person! Dog boy! I am the universe! I am the brilliant dog!


WHAT!?

((OOC: The fact that ICly you're a Nazi gives every commie here a legitimate reason to invade you. Weak, but legitimate.))



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I've made it clear, our domestic policies are Fabusism. Also, Sevaris has been refusing for the last three months, the right of Kahta and I to simply invade him over domestic issues. The NS community respects Sevaris's rights to do that, what about my rights?

And besides, when a nation you've never heard of save for once or twice, comes out of the woodwork and declares war on you, it has to reek of OOCism.

its my siggy; it was an old PS2 advert; back when it was 'the Third Place'

Anyway, you already told me you're a future tech 2020 nation, I am not future tech. Thus that should have made this whole post, a waste of your time.

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I've made it clear, our domestic policies are Fabusism. Also, Sevaris has been refusing for the last three months, the right of Kahta and I to simply invade him over domestic issues. The NS community respects Sevaris's rights to do that, what about my rights?

And besides, when a nation you've never heard of save for once or twice, comes out of the woodwork and declares war on you, it has to reek of OOCism.

OOC:Or they want to just fight an interesting war. Ever heard of RP'ING FOR FUN, DA?

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I've made it clear, our domestic policies are Fabusism. Also, Sevaris has been refusing for the last three months, the right of Kahta and I to simply invade him over domestic issues. The NS community respects Sevaris's rights to do that, what about my rights?

And besides, when a nation you've never heard of save for once or twice, comes out of the woodwork and declares war on you, it has to reek of OOCism.

((OOC: And you have your rights, but how do you know that it reeks of OOCism, hm? Maybe it is purely IC for some strange reason, you never know.))

I really hate to agree with Decisive Action on anything but find I must....

why, in character, would Allanea risk the very real possibility of mutually assured destruction in order to go to war with Decisive Action?

Basically in real world terms we are talking the Warsaw Pact vs NATO with all of the gloves coming off very quickly.... short of insanity, that was never likely to happen without real desperation on one or the other (or both) sides.

I would ignore it too

this is pretty sad right now, are you gonna' retaliate or ignore...let's get it started or finish it...

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I've made it clear, our domestic policies are Fabusism. Also, Sevaris has been refusing for the last three months, the right of Kahta and I to simply invade him over domestic issues. The NS community respects Sevaris's rights to do that, what about my rights?

And besides, when a nation you've never heard of save for once or twice, comes out of the woodwork and declares war on you, it has to reek of OOCism.

So, prior interaction isn't REALLY necissary. If he were to really be opposed to something you did well then...tough, your gettin' invaded.

As for Severis, ignore him all together, its what people who ignore legitimate invasions(much like this one) deserve.

So, prior interaction isn't REALLY necissary. If he were to really be opposed to something you did well then...tough, your gettin' invaded.

As for Severis, ignore him all together, its what people who ignore legitimate invasions(much like this one) deserve.

OOC: Spell my name right.

Also, look, I am not ignoring legitimate reasons. If you can give me proof of it, then I'll look into it.

OOC: If you look at Allanea's history, you'll notice that he tends to invade anyone who shows fascist tendencies (aka Fabusism), and can be invaded without extreme danger of annhialation. Allanea is on Terra, and can be taken out with a tactical nuclear strike. It would be a tough fight, but considering the amount of genewank I've seen in Mississippi (you've already claimed that your people aren't humans), you should be able to handle him. Besides, powered armor is already a reality, and most Allanean tech IMHO is just modern tech with a shiny futuristic look.

It's up to you to ignore someone. Weyr has been IC-ly watching Mississippi and its associates for quite a bit of time (for us it's been nearly a century, although that would never be mentioned IC-ly), and were Weyr a more militaristic nation it would invade you on the pretext of you being a fascist nation by Weyrean standards. There is little OOC in Allanea invading you, considering that you are at polar socioeconomic points, especially since Allaneans are not known for their ability to talk things out when they can just bring in the guns.

[Wow, I never thought I'd see the day something like this happened. Consider this a tag.]

OOC: CM (Yes, I know you as that and will probably always call you that), just about every non-facist nation in Nationstates has a reason to attack you ICly, and you know it.

I understand you like to be notified in advance OOCly about invasions, and that's fine, for RP purposes. Sometimes, though, you need to just wing it -- that's what politics and the real world, which is what these forums are attempted to be based off of, are like, and how the majority of people treat their RPs. National leaders don't sit down together and say, "Okay, I'm going to declare war on you, and attack you here, here, and here." "No, no, no, that won't do. I have things here and here....." You get the point.

That's part of the fun in Nationstates, winging it. I understand you do it for the writing purposes -- and your damn good at it, there's no denying it -- but you cannot just ignore something just because you have the chance to get your ass kicked, and it's not scripted. Well, technically, you have every right to do it, but that just makes you seem like an ass OOCly to everyone.

I can see both points, and both are fairly valid here, but CM, seriously, and I apologize for being blunt -- stop being such a dickhead.

Now, everyone - Decisive Action has the right to ignore or accept this invasion as he sees fit - we Moderators do not and will not police RP.

However, you do need to remain civil while you debate this. Please do so.

Derscon, this is not an "official" Moderator warning - but calling anyone a "dickhead" is unacceptable, no matter their IC or OOC politics. Please refrain from doing so in future.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Indeed, he can ignore anyone he likes. Afterall, this is a game and we're meant to have fun with it... in fact if we were to get to specifics I would likely ignore Decisive Action in the majority of combat RP simply because I don't believe he can do it realistically as his military is susposedly made up of one in twenty of his people (yup, around 5% of his population) while having a perfect economy and having additional private military organisations one top of that... then all that military are apparantly trained near to American Standards (this is concidered the average by most NS nations, however realistically the American army is afterall one of the more heavily trained and probably the best equipped in the world) while having l33t special forces, who have genetic modification.

So yeah. Personally I wouldn't bother with him, it's my opinion to do so in those cases where combat is likely, simply because I expect him to say "I win" without being realistic.

His reasons for ignore seem to be based on these:

(1) Allanea is attacking for OOC reasons. - This personally I find unlikely, as Allanea the player doesn't know much about Desicive Action except that he's constantly In Character racist and a highly militant nation which constantly causes other nations trouble. Basically, all Allanea knows is In Character knownledge about him and he's declaring war over it. Personally I think a little bit of work before hand would have smoothed it over... but his reasons look IC.

(2) Allanea is in the future. - Compared to modified IQs for all Decisive Actions leaders, genetically engineered soldiers who are automatically better then TBD's Genetically engineered soldiers and armour which isn't possible yet. You're own nation's technology is based on Near-Future Technology... creating your own superiour tanks and body armour based on technology we should be capable of making now but haven't because of cost is essentially the same as being near future because there is alot we're possibly capable of if we had the funding. Moderd technology is based on what we have now, quite strictly so with some nations. I'm sure there are more serious nations which ignore you for your genetic wank.

(3) The third reason I suspect is because you simply don't want to have a war, despite the fact you want to push wars on others. This guy is bigger then you and in some cases easily as wanky as you... he's ok with some RP though he tends not to listen, ironic really because thats the impression I get of you really. You both can RP but you both tend to be rather annoying when it comes to combat RP.


Ignore him if you want, but personally I think it's down to the fact you can't take the conquences for being a controversial nation. You just ignore those conquences and RP with nations you feel content with being able to beat.

You know, I don't feel I really want to RP with this guy after learning all this stuff. F___ it.

Funfunfun, isn't it? Given that DecA pulled exactly the same kind of stunt over, say, Feminany... But of course, when the target nation is smaller than DecA, it is all fair and should be respected.

Just, when he might actually lose because he isn't the biggest and baddest around, then it is of course an ignorable offence.

*Giggles hopelessly*

Funfunfun, isn't it? Given that DecA pulled exactly the same kind of stunt over, say, Feminany... But of course, when the target nation is smaller than DecA, it is all fair and should be respected.

Just, when he might actually lose because he isn't the biggest and baddest around, then it is of course an ignorable offence.

*Giggles hopelessly*

Yeah its always been a shame that I can't go warmongering around since everyone I'd attack would consider their economy better than mine (even if they were commies and their NS economy is at imploded), their military better than mine (even if they're anarchists with no military at all), their strategy better than mine (especially if they arent limited by logistics), their nation bigger than mine (since having more population just because I've played this game for longer is UNFAIR), their alliances stronger than mine (since they have more allies), and in short I'd spend all my time trying to OOCly convince them to not be complete dickheads and not get any RPing done. And wind up just getting ignored anyway.

OOC:He has the right to ignore this for the following reason:
Allanea ignored all defenses and blatantly said his forces penetrated DAs airspace without being detected and intercepted. That warrants a ignore.

I am not going to take sides on the right to attack someone because of their domestic issues. I am just saying that is a reason that DA has a right to ignore DA.

I am just saying that is a reason that DA has a right to ignore DA.

I might have to put that line in my signature ... it is quite profound, if you think about it.

Well, it's questionable... given that Allanea hasn't actually fired the missiles yet, my assumption being that he was waiting for the other player to respond.

We know DecA has the right to ignore legitimate or otherwise, it's just most people find it very hipocritical.

OOC:He has the right to ignore this for the following reason:
Allanea ignored all defenses and blatantly said his forces penetrated DAs airspace without being detected and intercepted. That warrants a ignore.

I am not going to take sides on the right to attack someone because of their domestic issues. I am just saying that is a reason that DA has a right to ignore DA.

I did not say that. If you clickd on my link to the descriptions of the missiles, they got range of 900km. I can fire them - and did - without getting into his airspace. Note, as I WROTE, they could have got shot down by CIWS. I did not ignore any defenses.

OOC:Are these cruise missiles? Considering that your using Fighter-Bombers... no they are not, there is no non-cruise air-ground missiles(RL and NS) that are capable of 900km. It would have to be so big(to carry the amount of fuel required) that it couldnt go on a Fighter-Bomber.

OOC:Are these cruise missiles? Considering that your using Fighter-Bombers... no they are not, there is no non-cruise air-ground missiles(RL and NS) that are capable of 900km. It would have to be so big(to carry the amount of fuel required) that it couldnt go on a Fighter-Bomber.

Click on the link I provided.

Allanea vs. DA. Interesting.

<Tag, Scandavian style.>

OOC:If they are cruise missiles than you would have to use Strategic Bombers ONLY! Cruise Missiles are too large to carry on fighter-bombers.

BTW: Link does not work.

Now, everyone - Decisive Action has the right to ignore or accept this invasion as he sees fit - we Moderators do not and will not police RP.

However, you do need to remain civil while you debate this. Please do so.

Derscon, this is not an "official" Moderator warning - but calling anyone a "dickhead" is unacceptable, no matter their IC or OOC politics. Please refrain from doing so in future.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Sorry. I do say, though, I'm on a good record, though, I think. I haven't had a runin with the mods for about three, maybe four or five months. With my personality, that's fairly good.

I say it again, I decided not to do it, and the more I learn about DA, the more I am set in this opinion.

OOC:Okay... the link works now... so they are basicilly cruise missiles, which you are firing from FIGHT-BOMBERS?! I am sorry but fighter-bombers are not capable of carrying and launching cruise missiles.