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New Gun-Cruiser unveiled, not for sale

IDF
22-01-2005, 16:54
MENACHEM BEGIN Class Gun-Cruiser

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/1091/guncruiser.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS FOR ISS MENACHEM BEGIN, CA-24

LENTH: 784.5 feet long
BEAM: 136 feet (trimarian hull)
DRAFT: 31.5 feet
DISPLACEMENT: 24,500 tons
POWERPLANT: 6 pebblebed reactors 255,000 shp
PROPULSION: 4 reversible pitch screws
MANEUVERING: 2 x rudders aft, 2 bow and 2 aft thrusters
SPEED: 36 knots max for 12 hours, 32 max sustained for 1 week


ARMAMENTS:
9 x 10” 55 cal. IDF MK-114 Rapid Fire semi-automatic ETC Cannons (3 triple turrets). These guns were specially designed for this ship and actually the ship was designed to carry these guns. The guns have a range of 80 km, about 20-25% less than the range of comparable cannons, but that is so the guns can have their strength. The guns were made for massive fire power to be delivered quickly. IDF Engineers took the guns from The Des Moines class CA's and worked to improve her guns and their rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute per barrel. During tests, the guns fired about 20 times per minute per barrel or 180 x 10” shells in a single minute!!!!!! These guns are superior when it comes to shore bombardments. Imagine being able to put 180 shells on a beach in 1 minute when you are trying to clear the beach for an invasion team. Or imagine a duel between 2 cruisers. Who will win if you have a much better firing rate than the enemy? The guns can be elevated to 42 degrees, giving them AA capabilities. The only disadvantage of the fast firing rate is that you will eventually run out of ammo, but your target will probably be dead by that time.

15 x 5” 42 cal MK-102 ETC (15 single mounts)semi-automatic cannons, range of 55 km. These guns can fire about 30 times a minute so that equals 450 shells fired per minute from the ship. This adds to the quick fire power of the main cannons. These guns are also good for the killing of shore targets or other ships at closer ranges. They are very good if you want to clear an area of enemy troops.

9 x 8 (72 cell) VLS system aft of superstructure. This system is better if you want to defend yourself with SAMs or if you want to attack at longer ranges than your guns allow.

4 x 10 box RAM launchers. Each of these RAM launchers is positioned at the corners of the superstructure.

8 x 30 mm Goalkeeper CIWS system.

1 x Israeli Defense Industries AML (anti-missile laser). This laser was developed on the Meir DDG and is being placed throughout the fleet. All new ship are being built with them. They can fire at a range of 200 miles and are based on improvements done to the 747 laser.

ARMOR
10" Belt,
10.5" Turrets,
6" Deck,
8" Superstructure

The armor is made up of the steel hull, Kevlar to deflect fragments, tubes running through the interior of the hull to help absorb and break up the explosive force of a weapon impact. Fire proof coating is placed all around the interior and exterior of the ship. The outriggers work as armor themselves. They contain quarters for the crew and storage for supplies like food. The outriggers can absorb impacts to help keep the guns and VLS systems safe from enemy weapons. No battle-stations are in the outriggers as they are used specifically for non-battle usage. This gives the ship much survivability.

STEALTH
The ship wasn't built to be a stealth ship as her primary ability as the Meir was, but she adopts the Meir's innovative designs. Most notable is the superstructure design, jokingly called the F-117 design. This reflects RADAR waves and reduces the RCS. The trimarian hull also helps give her stealth. Another note worthy stealth innovation is the fact that most of the decks, especially the well decks, are angled to give a smaller RCS. On top of this, the hull is coated with RADAR absorbing materials.

RADAR/LADAR
Regular IDF Aegis IV suite
Air Search/Fire Control: RCA SPY-5D, 3D (SPY-1D(V) phased arrays AEGIS
Surface Search: Norden SPS-71(V)3
Navigation: Raytheon SPS-82(V)9
Fire Control: 3 Raytheon RCA SPG-74

LADAR, dual green-light LADAR arrays on the aft quarters of the superstructure. This is useful for detecting stealth aircraft's

SONAR
Gould/Raytheon SQQ-89(V)10; combines SQS-53C bow mounted active search/attack with SQR-19B passive towed array
Nothing too remarkable here as this isn't an ASW platform, but it's still a very competent system.

AIRCRAFT
No hangar facities or shelters, but the ship can land 1 SH-60 Seahawk or equivilant chopper. If some 5” guns are removed, then a hangar can be added for choppers.

NOT FOR SALE HERE
Teh ninjas
22-01-2005, 17:26
Excellent design, I really like this vessel. Any chance of it every being on sale?
IDF
22-01-2005, 17:28
bump
IDF
22-01-2005, 17:30
Excellent design, I really like this vessel. Any chance of it every being on sale?
Check the NATO forums if you want to buy it.
IDF
22-01-2005, 19:30
bump for comments.
Ottoman Khaif
22-01-2005, 19:32
OCC: Damn that's a nice design.

IC: The Ottoman Government request to buy this ship production rights.We are willing to pay top dollar for the rights.If we can't the rights for the ship,we will buy 20 of these ships.
New Endenia
22-01-2005, 19:34
impressive design, very detailed.
The Parthians
22-01-2005, 19:51
Wow, thats amazing, shame it's not for sale.
IDF
22-01-2005, 20:08
OCC: Damn that's a nice design.

IC: The Ottoman Government request to buy this ship production rights.We are willing to pay top dollar for the rights.If we can't the rights for the ship,we will buy 20 of these ships.
IC: We apologize but the sale of this ship is restricted. Our older ships are for sale, but this ship has too many classified weapons and systems on there for sale outside of NATO and the OMP.
Wolfish
22-01-2005, 20:12
Would you say the tech level is probably about 2020 or slightly greater? I suspect with gun ranges in excess of 50 km you'd have to have some sort of high-compression alloy barrels (yet to be invented in RL).
IDF
22-01-2005, 20:16
Would you say the tech level is probably about 2020 or slightly greater? I suspect with gun ranges in excess of 50 km you'd have to have some sort of high-compression alloy barrels (yet to be invented in RL).
OOC: For that range, ETC is being used. It is a system currently being considered on newer DD-X DDGs and for 5" guns it can get 70 km, for 10" guns it will be longer, but the US Navy lacks guns of that size. It's actually less than 2020 tech, more like 2010 tech. (That's the target year for DD-X, but of course due to budgeting it won't be done by then)

OOC2: Nice job on the RWC ship.
Wolfish
22-01-2005, 20:17
So it is pure modern (current) tech - not 2020?
IDF
22-01-2005, 20:18
So it is pure modern (current) tech - not 2020?
It is something possible in 5 years, but not yet. At most, 2015 tech
GREAT ELVES UNITED
22-01-2005, 23:06
boring.
Izistan
22-01-2005, 23:13
OOC: So this is that cruiser with the semi-automatic guns. Nice. I'd better get my Spraylash class into service soon.
IDF
22-01-2005, 23:20
OOC: So this is that cruiser with the semi-automatic guns. Nice. I'd better get my Spraylash class into service soon.
yeah, it isn't a first. The USS Des Moines class of 1946 had them. Most famous of them was USS Newport News.
IDF
27-01-2005, 04:17
bump the pride of my Navy one more time as she and 2 of her sisters have gone off to war.
McLeod03
27-01-2005, 05:23
OOC:

Two questions - 1) What's the total crew number?, 2) Where do I order?
IDF
27-01-2005, 05:25
OOC:

Two questions - 1) What's the total crew number?, 2) Where do I order?
The crew comes to 115 officers and 955 enlisted men.

You can order on the OMP boards under the announcements forum.
Wolfish
27-01-2005, 05:36
Since this is post-modern - I'd consider modifying the propulsion systems to this: http://www.hsva.de/pubs/The_Efficiency_of_Pod_Propulsion.pdf

Pod Propulsion will be the next big thing...right now the power draw / speed limitation are too significant (note: that discussion paper doesn't consider use on a nuclear vessel).

In the near future though, outfitting a gun-cruiser or battleship with pods would dramatically increase the accuracy of the guns (more stable platform)...the increase in turning ability (it can turn without forward or reward motion) would also be a huge advantage in bringing your guns to bear.

Here is another link, that does mention naval use - though I believe it is still untested for military in RL.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/product/propulsion/electrical/default.jsp

Cheers,
W.
IDF
27-01-2005, 05:41
IIRC, the USS RONALD REAGAN has Azipod propulsion as do newer cruise liners.
McLeod03
27-01-2005, 06:02
OOC: Cheers. Ordered.
Wolfish
27-01-2005, 06:16
IIRC, the USS RONALD REAGAN has Azipod propulsion as do newer cruise liners.

Actually the Reagan has the standard four props - the new CVX-class carriers will have the azipod system...but you're right about the cruise liners - the Queen Mary II currently has the largest produced to date (though she's actually an ocean liner, not a cruise ship).