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Earth Greece Signup Thread: The New Old Earth

The Great Sixth Reich
19-01-2005, 03:54
BETA

Welcome to Earth Greece!

Links:

Sparta Delegate Forum (http://www.earthgreecespar.ipbfree.com/index.php)
Earth Greece Incidents (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7991292#post7991292)

Introduction:

The year is 431 BCE, the location: Hellenistic Greece. The Persians have been pushed back slightly by Athens and Sparta in the Persian War, but are still a major power. Several Greek City-States are competing for power.

The City-States (Full Descriptions will come shortly):

Akanthos/Amphilpolis
Athens: One of the two Greek superpowers of the Hellenistic World. Is famous for its Democracy.
Argos
Cornith
Corcya
Crete
Delphi: Includes the Oracle at Delphi!
Delos: Treasury of the Delcan League, or at least thought to be.
Illiyia: Home of the strongest Mercenaries in the Hellenstic Age!
Ithaca: This is the homeland of Ulysses in Homer's The Odyssey.
Lesbos
Megara
Macedonia: Alexander the Great ruled this faction.
Mantinea
Messenia
Melos
Rhodes
Persia: Strong navy and army, and has it in for Greeks.
Plataia
Pylos
Thebes
Thessaly
Thrace
Samos
Sparta: The other Greek superpower of the Hellenistic World. Is famous for its complusorary military service.
Syracuse

Rules!:

You MUST choose one city-state OR one "delegate".
NOBODY can claim Athens or Sparta. You have to claim a "delegate" in Athens or Sparta, to add to the challenge.

Claims:

Akanthos/Amphilpolis
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Athens (Thanks to Columbia University for the Delegates!):

Cleon (OPEN) : Though he has little education, Cleon is a gifted speaker who began his political career with a series of attacks on Pericles. He is very antagonistic to Sparta and successfully opposed Sparta's peace proposals. First successful against Sparta and later killed inaction, he retains his reputation as a vulgar and unprincipled demagogue, especially as described by his enemies Thucydides and Aristophanes.

Nicias (OPEN) : He is the successor and rival of Cleon. A moderate democrat but not quite an oligarch, Nicias is always a proponent of peace with Sparta and is successful to some extent. He shares power with Alcibiades and, and has been described by his detractors as militarily incompetent and indecisive.

Alcibiades (OPEN) : He is a great rival of Nicias, with whom he shares power. He is a young follower of Socrates, with great creativity, energy, and oratory ability. He can be quite rash in decision-making, however, and will cause large-scale military upset. Later in the war, Alcibiades is eventually recalled from battle to Athens for religious crimes. He then betrays Athens and advises Sparta, only to return back to Athens later.

Demosthenes: (Krawkovia) : Known as the greatest of ancient Greek orators, he calls for Greek unity and freedom.

Spartan Delegate/Fido (OPEN) : A young, intelligent politician in Sparta who is visting Athens.

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Argos:
Cornith: The Scandinvans
Corcya
Crete:
Cyprus (Persian Colony):
Delphi:
Delos:
Illiyia: Whittier-
Ithaca:
Olynthos: United Scotsmen
Lesbos:
Megara
Macedonia:
Mantinea
Messenia
Melos
Rhodes:
Samos

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Sparta (Thanks to Columbia University for the Delegates!): The other superpower of the Hellenistic World. Is famous for its complusorary military service for young boys.

Pleistolas (OPEN) - Ephor: Pleistolas is a pre-eminent Spartan lawyer, regarded as an expert in Lycurgian tradition. He served with the Spartan hoplites in the Persian War, and he was among the Spartan troops in the final routing of Persians from Greece. He has served as ephor once before.

Danagetis (OPEN) - Ephor: Danagetis is the eldest son in a family of stone merchants. While a Spartan citizen by birth, he spent most of his youth and adolescence in Corinth, where he was not exposed to the agoge system. As a result, he tends to value profitable commercial ventures over successful military expeditions. He has three daughters and has sent them to Athens, where it is rumored they are prostitutes. It is also rumored that Danagetis values the filling of his own coffers over the maintenance of the Spartan good, but there is no formal evidence to support this idea.

Chionis (OPEN) - Ephor: Chionis's election as ephor came on the heels of his brother's heroic rescue of four small children and a goat from a burning shack on a hill just outside Sparta. While the brother died from severe burns days later, his association with Chionis won Chionis a large number of votes among the Spartiates. This year is his first term as ephor, and, while he takes his duty seriously, Chionis does not believe that he is quite worthy of the position. Due to an ancient family rivalry, Chionis is loath to agree with Danagetis and tends to argue against him, in both personal and political affairs.

Metagenes (OPEN) - Ephor: Metagenes is the son of a Spartan commander and a Persian woman. After his birth in Asia Minor, he was brought to Sparta and raised in the agoge system. Despite his illegitimacy, he has won much popular favor among the Spartiates; his delightful stories and antics translated well from the communal meals of youth to the politicking of middle age.

Akanthos (OPEN) - Ephor: Akanthos is seventy-four years old. This year marks his seventh consecutive term as ephor. He has previously been very reluctant to advocate military missions except those determined necessary to defend Sparta from local threats. However, he has seen the growth of the Athenian navy, and he views it as a major threat to Spartan power.

Echemus (The Great Sixth Reich): Echemus is a thirty year old man from the most powerful and rich family in Sparta.

Thenycrates (OPEN): Thenycrates is a visting Athenian merchant. She is basicly a beautiful, young, and intelligent woman.

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Persia:
Plataia
Pylos
Thebes:
Thessaly:
Thrace: Vineyard
Syracuse:

General Alliances:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Peloponnesian_War.png
The Great Sixth Reich
19-01-2005, 04:01
~Reserved~
Vineyard
19-01-2005, 04:02
Sparta please.
The Great Sixth Reich
19-01-2005, 04:07
Sparta please.

You'll have to choose a Spartan delegate. Look at the list.

I would recommand Pleistolas.
The Great Sixth Reich
19-01-2005, 04:23
Bump!
The Great Sixth Reich
20-01-2005, 00:24
Bump!

The reason Athens and Sparta are delegate only positions: If one person controlled those city-states, then they would dominate. Having five+ delegates adds to the challenge.
The Great Sixth Reich
20-01-2005, 00:41
Bump!
The Great Sixth Reich
20-01-2005, 01:12
Bump!
Seluecia
20-01-2005, 01:39
Does Thessaly get Achilles, and/or does Delphi have the oracle?
The Great Sixth Reich
20-01-2005, 01:45
Does Thessaly get Achilles, and/or does Delphi have the oracle?

Thessaly does not get Achilles, but Delphi does have the Oracle of Delphi.
Seluecia
20-01-2005, 02:08
I will claim Macedonia
The Great Sixth Reich
20-01-2005, 21:11
I will claim Macedonia

Confirmed.

Go to the "Incidents" thread to post your actions. You completely rule your country, unlike Spartan or Athenian players.
SovietRepublicofRussia
20-01-2005, 21:27
I will claim Crete
GREAT ELVES UNITED
20-01-2005, 22:28
I claim Thebes.

For the sons of the gods shall return to their scared homeland and fufill their destiny's.
Fluffywuffy
20-01-2005, 23:04
I call Persia.

This time, the foolish Greeks will not beat us! We will burn Athens and Sparta to the ground!
Krawkovia
20-01-2005, 23:36
I would like to claim(be) Demosthenes
Vineyard
20-01-2005, 23:44
I will claim thrace. Long have they held the persians from greece, long have they spilled blood to spare the others of greece.
Golencia
20-01-2005, 23:46
Rhodes is mine! Well at least if you confirm it!
Yafor 2
21-01-2005, 01:13
Thebes, please.
The Great Sixth Reich
21-01-2005, 21:41
I call Persia.

This time, the foolish Greeks will not beat us! We will burn Athens and Sparta to the ground!

Confirmed... but you do realise that the Persians like Sparta, not hate them (because they're both against the Athenians).
The Great Sixth Reich
21-01-2005, 21:48
I want either thebes persia or macedonia please!

Please pick another (preferrably a delegate in Athens or Sparta), as you are relatively new to NS.

All others confirmed.
The Great Sixth Reich
21-01-2005, 21:52
Moderation:

Fixed the link to the Incidents Thread.

To Athens: You must create your own private forum for Nation (NOT International) Incidents, and it CANNOT be on NS. It also must have a forum where non-registered users can post. I cannot make it for you, otherwise it would allow me to cheat and spy on you guys.
Fluffywuffy
21-01-2005, 21:53
The Persians may have helped the Spartans in the Pelleponesian War (I can never spell that), but I don't believe they would have looked upon them as allies. After all, they did fight one another in the Persian Wars.

But I am not the best at history, so you could be right. Maybe they thought of them as allies to weaken the Athenians after they realized they couldn't invade Greece.
SovietRepublicofRussia
21-01-2005, 21:56
The Persians may have helped the Spartans in the Pelleponesian War (I can never spell that), but I don't believe they would have looked upon them as allies. After all, they did fight one another in the Persian Wars.

But I am not the best at history, so you could be right. Maybe they thought of them as allies to weaken the Athenians after they realized they couldn't invade Greece.
OOC: Sparta once though of creating an alliance with Persia but this decision was put down thanks to a former Spartan who flead to Persia and became a minister to Xerces(however you spell it)
Nicapolis
21-01-2005, 22:03
Corinth please
The Great Sixth Reich
21-01-2005, 22:09
The Persians may have helped the Spartans in the Pelleponesian War (I can never spell that), but I don't believe they would have looked upon them as allies. After all, they did fight one another in the Persian Wars.

But I am not the best at history, so you could be right. Maybe they thought of them as allies to weaken the Athenians after they realized they couldn't invade Greece.

That's actually correct. The Persians did not like Greeks, so naturally they would never ally with Sparta. They were, however, favorable to Sparta more than any other Greek polis.
The Great Sixth Reich
21-01-2005, 22:10
Corinth please

Welcome to the Pelopelessian (sp?) League!

Confirmed.
GREAT ELVES UNITED
21-01-2005, 23:37
Macedonia plzzzzzz
The Great Sixth Reich
22-01-2005, 03:03
Macedonia plzzzzzz

Read the list:


Macedonia: Seluecia
The Great Sixth Reich
22-01-2005, 17:50
Bump!
GREAT ELVES UNITED
22-01-2005, 18:52
Ok.......can I have Thessaly?
Kanor
22-01-2005, 21:22
Can I be Pleistolas?
Industrial Experiment
22-01-2005, 21:36
Why isn't Syracuse on there?

I want to be the only other Greek Democracy :(

I call it if you put it up.

EDIT: And yes, I know that Syracuse was in Sicily and not mainland Greece, but it was a Greek city-state nonetheless!
The Great Sixth Reich
22-01-2005, 22:17
Why isn't Syracuse on there?

I want to be the only other Greek Democracy :(

I call it if you put it up.

EDIT: And yes, I know that Syracuse was in Sicily and not mainland Greece, but it was a Greek city-state nonetheless!

Are you sure it was in 431 BCE? If you can prove, I will allow it.
The Great Sixth Reich
22-01-2005, 22:18
Ok.......can I have Thessaly?

Yes.
The Great Sixth Reich
22-01-2005, 22:21
Can I be Pleistolas?
Confirmed!

Welcome, fellow Spartan!

Our forums are here (http://www.earthgreecespar.ipbfree.com/index.php). Please register at the forums. When you do, I will authorize it for posting, and send you a telegram to your nation with the password for the secret section of our forums.
Industrial Experiment
22-01-2005, 22:26
Are you sure it was in 431 BCE? If you can prove, I will allow it.

http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/syracuse-history.htm
The Great Sixth Reich
23-01-2005, 06:57
http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/syracuse-history.htm

Confirmed, but you are not allowed to start any conflicts in Italy, Spain, or Africa. Keep it near the Aegean Sea.
Industrial Experiment
23-01-2005, 08:29
Ok, got ya.
Vineyard
23-01-2005, 19:21
Shouldn't there be an events page for the War rping? Elven something wants to get killed by declaring war on me.
The Great Sixth Reich
23-01-2005, 20:20
Shouldn't there be an events page for the War rping? Elven something wants to get killed by declaring war on me.

There is! It's been linked to on the first page for several days now!
Rebeled Elves
23-01-2005, 21:50
I claim Delos
The Great Sixth Reich
23-01-2005, 21:58
I claim Delos

Confirmed.

That gives you control the Treasury of the Delian League.
Rebeled Elves
23-01-2005, 21:59
Sweet
The Great Sixth Reich
23-01-2005, 22:01
Sweet

Or at least that's the myth. Historians say Athens might of moved it back to Athens.
GREAT ELVES UNITED
24-01-2005, 00:53
The Great Sixth Reich may I (if i die) have another city-state.
The Great Sixth Reich
24-01-2005, 01:56
The Great Sixth Reich may I (if i die) have another city-state.

Nope. But you can still RP as the King if he's alive or captured... but not he's dead.
GREAT ELVES UNITED
24-01-2005, 01:57
Do you mean that even if my king is captured he can send messages but cant go to war right?
GREAT ELVES UNITED
24-01-2005, 01:58
Also why did you invade me too?
Truitt
24-01-2005, 02:19
I would like Cyrpus (Wasn't that inhabited then? I am not the best at history)


Also, weren't navies around now? I know gunpowder is not, but navies, in general with spears and rocks being thrown?
SovietRepublicofRussia
24-01-2005, 02:24
I would like Cyrpus (Wasn't that inhabited then? I am not the best at history)


Also, weren't navies around now? I know gunpowder is not, but navies, in general with spears and rocks being thrown?
OOC: yes navies were quite important to the period. mostly consisting of Triremes,biremes,and other small ships
The Great Sixth Reich
24-01-2005, 02:33
I would like Cyrpus (Wasn't that inhabited then? I am not the best at history)


Also, weren't navies around now? I know gunpowder is not, but navies, in general with spears and rocks being thrown?

To the First Part: One second. EDIT: Yes, you can have it. BUT: Your leader will be a "governor", meaning that you are basically a colony of Persia (they were colonized by Persia during the time period this is in). You may declare independence and other actions, but risk immediate military invasions from Persia to gain Cyprus back, if you do.

To the Second Part: I never said they were not. They generally were light and heavy ramming ships, called "Biremes" and "Triremes", respectively.
The Great Sixth Reich
24-01-2005, 04:00
Do you mean that even if my king is captured he can send messages but cant go to war right?

You RP as him. If he's tried up, he obsiviously cannot write messages.
Seluecia
24-01-2005, 17:08
You RP as him. If he's tried up, he obsiviously cannot write messages.
I think what he means is, in reference to the conflict in Thessaly, should he be exiled or allowed to leave may his King, that he still RPing as, take position in another city (OOC: Claim another one in this thread.)
In my opinion this seems fair, as he is really the same King still, but it's not up to me (Probably just wishful thinking on my part.)
The Great Sixth Reich
25-01-2005, 22:10
Not actually what I meant.

He is the King. If the King dies, that's the end for you (for at least month or two). If the King is captured, you RP him being a captive. If the King escapes to the countryside, you RP his survive. If the King escapes to a tiny barbarian village and bribes them, you RP him being the King of that tiny settlement. If the King is accepted to an allied city-state, you RP that. Understand?
Industrial Experiment
25-01-2005, 22:13
What about me? Syracuse was a democracy (at least at the time this took place).
The Great Sixth Reich
25-01-2005, 23:54
What about me? Syracuse was a democracy (at least at the time this took place).

Then who's your leader?
Industrial Experiment
26-01-2005, 00:05
Then who's your leader?

Well, I'd have to research more in-depth, but I do believe there was no actual elected leader until the last twenty or so years of the Second Syracusian democracy, at least a decade after this. Beforehand it was a democracy with orators being the symbol of ideals, but not actual elected officials.
Nikolaos The Great
26-01-2005, 23:14
I would like to be the Greek city-state, Argos. I also got a 2 questions.

Argos is a neutral city-state but may I decide to ally with Sparta or Athens at any time?

Also do I have to post all of my actions in the thread you made for Earth Greece Incidents or can I make new threads?
The Great Sixth Reich
26-01-2005, 23:17
I would like to be the Greek city-state, Argos. I also got a 2 questions.

Argos is a neutral city-state but may I decide to ally with Sparta or Athens at any time?

Also do I have to post all of my actions in the thread you made for Earth Greece Incidents or can I make new threads?

Confirmed.

1. Yes, but I would strongly advise waiting for offers from both sides.

2. You must at least post a link if it's in a seperate thread.
GREAT ELVES UNITED
26-01-2005, 23:32
Look In The Incidents Thread
Basketballjj
27-01-2005, 22:34
I CLAIM TROY

(the city that was destroyed by the Myceneans,they conquered Crete, the city that was destroyed by the Trojan Horse)
SovietRepublicofRussia
27-01-2005, 22:39
I CLAIM TROY

(the city that was destroyed by the Myceneans,they conquered Crete, the city that was destroyed by the Trojan Horse)

OOC:Troy is long destroyed as are the Myceneans by hundreds of years...and therefore the area that was Troy is now Persia
Rebeled Elves
27-01-2005, 22:44
To: Crete,Macedon,Thessaly,Thrace,Echemi Family,Thebes,Persia,Rhodes
From: King Thunit

We have just recently found an uncharted island.They call the island "Thera" it is small but still a nice place.I think since we found it we should have it, but i will discuss it with the rest of Greece.

King Thunit

OOC: are the Myceneans dead?
Basketballjj
27-01-2005, 22:47
OOC:whoops

I CLAIM DELPHI then.
SovietRepublicofRussia
27-01-2005, 22:49
To: Crete,Macedon,Thessaly,Thrace,Echemi Family,Thebes,Persia,Rhodes
From: King Thunit

We have just recently found an uncharted island.They call the island "Thera" it is small but still a nice place.I think since we found it we should have it, but i will discuss it with the rest of Greece.

King Thunit

OOC: are the Myceneans dead?
OOC: yes Mycenean Greece fell apart soon after the victory in the Trojan war
Rebeled Elves
27-01-2005, 22:54
OOC: thanks for the update
The Skull Band Army
27-01-2005, 23:38
I claim lesbos
The Great Sixth Reich
29-01-2005, 00:47
I claim lesbos

Confirmed.
The Skull Band Army
30-01-2005, 18:48
kool
Nikolaos The Great
30-01-2005, 19:12
I give up my claim here since I dont got time to RP this stuff.
The Great Sixth Reich
01-02-2005, 01:03
I give up my claim here since I dont got time to RP this stuff.

Are you sure?
Nikolaos The Great
01-02-2005, 02:22
Yes I am sure.
The Great Sixth Reich
04-02-2005, 21:55
Yes I am sure.

Ok...
Jahizzle
05-02-2005, 15:31
I claim Chios
Jahizzle
05-02-2005, 18:16
**I claim Chionis**
Nicapolis
06-02-2005, 02:59
i have to back out of this i am giving up corinth
Infinacy
06-02-2005, 03:40
Can you add Ithaca? And if you can, I claim Ithaca. ( One of the many many islands to the west of the mainland of Greece lol )

Also, please explain this a little more. I kinda want to know what the Delegates do.
SovietRepublicofRussia
06-02-2005, 03:45
Can you add Ithaca? And if you can, I claim Ithaca. ( One of the many many islands to the west of the mainland of Greece lol )

Also, please explain this a little more. I kinda want to know what the Delegates do.
OOC: delegates operate as members of the government of Athens and Sparta. As in they must consult with each other before making decisions, so as to not give the superpower states(athens and sparta) to one person.
Infinacy
06-02-2005, 03:47
Ok then, sounds pretty cool. Anyways, if Ithaca can't be added, and if no one has claimed Rhodes, then my claim would be Rhodes. ( I don't think I saw it claimed )
SovietRepublicofRussia
06-02-2005, 03:51
Ok then, sounds pretty cool. Anyways, if Ithaca can't be added, and if no one has claimed Rhodes, then my claim would be Rhodes. ( I don't think I saw it claimed )
OOC: Rhodes is claimed
The Great Sixth Reich
06-02-2005, 04:00
Ok then, sounds pretty cool. Anyways, if Ithaca can't be added, and if no one has claimed Rhodes, then my claim would be Rhodes. ( I don't think I saw it claimed )

Ithaca added. Claim confirmed. Sorry for the wait.
The Great Sixth Reich
06-02-2005, 04:02
i have to back out of this i am giving up corinth

Confirmed.
The Great Sixth Reich
06-02-2005, 04:03
**I claim Chionis**

You claim "Snow"? Chionis is Greek for "Snow". There is an island named after it, but that's spelled Chios.
SovietRepublicofRussia
06-02-2005, 04:20
You claim "Snow"? Chionis is Greek for "Snow". There is an island named after it, but that's spelled Chios.
OOC: Jahizzle appears to possible be a member of the elves noob ring be ware
Infinacy
06-02-2005, 17:32
Also I saw the post from the guy who claimed Persia, saying Persia wouldn't lose this time. Is this before the Trojan war? Because if so then I know who the king of Ithaca is.
The Great Sixth Reich
06-02-2005, 19:23
Also I saw the post from the guy who claimed Persia, saying Persia wouldn't lose this time. Is this before the Trojan war? Because if so then I know who the king of Ithaca is.

Centuries after...
Whittier-
12-02-2005, 22:43
Illiyia if it is available.
SovietRepublicofRussia
12-02-2005, 22:55
Illiyia if it is available.
I believe it is open
United Scotsmen
02-05-2005, 20:14
i wish to claim Olynthos
The Great Sixth Reich
06-05-2005, 01:55
If anybody wants to join, Earth Greece is still here. Everybody seemed to have forgotten about it, but it's still here.
Whittier-
06-05-2005, 02:12
I believe it is open
Then I shall claim it.
United Scotsmen
08-05-2005, 17:46
i wish to claim Olynthos

was my claim ignored?
Whittier-
09-05-2005, 06:41
i think this thread is dead
Rebeled Elves
12-05-2005, 00:17
TGSR do a revamp......seriously.....get more people to play....and if you do...i want to be the first to claim....I caliam Macedonia
The Great Sixth Reich
12-05-2005, 04:00
No, it isn't dead. Everybody seemed to stop RPing for some strange reason...
The Great Sixth Reich
12-05-2005, 04:01
was my claim ignored?

Yes, but it isn't now. Olynthos is yours.
The Great Sixth Reich
12-05-2005, 04:03
Then I shall claim it.

Confirmed.
The Scandinvans
12-05-2005, 04:06
I would take Corinth.
The Great Sixth Reich
12-05-2005, 04:08
Confirmed.

(And I'll get ride of the idle nations now.)
Rebeled Elves
12-05-2005, 21:15
I claim Macedonia
Whittier-
12-05-2005, 22:40
The Illyrian kingdom proposes and alliance with Corinth and Macedonia.
The Great Sixth Reich
12-05-2005, 22:57
I claim Macedonia

Confirmed. Have fun!

(Whittier-: Remember, this is the signup threat. The RP thread is linked to in the first post.)