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International Waters, North Atlantic
30 nautical miles from Kahtan waters
0800 hrs ZULU (Greenwich Mean Time)

The TSN Coelacanth was drifting in the calm seas of the Atlantic Ocean, its MHD drive online, making totally undetectable levels of noise at periscope depth. The new Pilnum-class SSGN had just received new orders from the Submarine Satellite Information Exchange, the communications network that was used exclusively by the nucs of the Imperial Navy. It was on a course of zero four five magnetic, waiting for the right opportunity to strike at its prey, vessels flying the Kahtan flag.

Several days ago, the Coelacanth was conducting ASW exercises in the area, but the most recent activity of Kahta, banning automobile sales from Asian manufacturers had pushed Davidson over the edge. The white trash of that massive nation was going to suffer total economic meltdown, courtesy of the sailors in the Silent Service. Already, spy satellites in geosynchronous orbit were quietly watching the activity of the Kahtan merchant marine, to better understand their trade routes and thus deploy more missile submarines for the job of interdiction. Kahta was going to pay, and pay hard for their recent activities.

And so, Operation SILENT ASSASSIN was developed. The overall idea of the plan was to ruin the Kahtan economy, and thus bring about the total collapse of the Samuel Fabus regime. Once the nation was thrown into anarchy, an invasion would begin in earnest, for the sake of "restoring order." Tyrandis would come out of this mess with new territory.

“Bridge,” radioed a midshipman as he watched his waterfall SONAR display, “I’ve got three possible contacts, bearing zero-four-eight, range thirty miles, speed around ten knots. Looks like a convoy.” The small yet powerful towed array scented blood, and the SS-N-26C Yakhont ASCMs mounted in the Pilnus’s VLS tubes were itching to sink some ships. Meanwhile, a lone Barnacle -class UAV, launched from the Coelacanth several days ago, was stealthily observing the Kahtan shipping lines. Considering that the UAV was coated with active camouflage and a plasma-stealth coating, not to mention flying at 62,000 feet, it wasn’t going to be detected by anything, especially not by commercial traffic. The live feed from the Barnacle’s camera showed clearly that these were Kahtan merchant sailors, and thus targets for the Coelacanth ‘s deadly weapons.

“Roger that sonar,” replied Commodore Benjamin Abraham, the commander of this boomer. He was a veteran of the Russian war, and knew the tricks of the submariner’s trade. He had a simple task: smash any and all commercial traffic flying a Kahtan flag. Granted, Abraham wasn’t very enthusiastic about doing the equivalent of clubbing baby seals, but orders were orders, and he would fulfill them to the best of his abilities. “Weapons,” ordered Abraham, “Ready VLS.” Within a minute, the state-of-the-art sea skimmers were loaded, prepped and ready to fire. “Navigation, turn up fifteen degrees.” The Pilnus lurched slightly, until it was at firing depth. “Let’s see here,” muttered Abraham as he looked at the Masters display in front of him. The four targets were designated with the names Sierra-1 through 4, and assigned firing solutions. “Fire at will,” uttered the captain, as the VLS tubes opened up…

A rain of three Yakhont-C missiles was launched at each of the ships, from a distance of just 50 kilometers, their trails lighting up just above the water. The cruise missiles were designed so that just one would totally destroy a vessel, and three would be overkill, especially with the new Octo-Nitro-Cubane warheads mounted on the things. Simply put, the Kahtan ships were destined for a date with Davy Jones’s Locker, and nothing in the world could save them now. As soon as the launches finished, the boomer responsible sank back down beneath the isothermal layer, and started heading south, back to the open sea at a leisurely speed of 6 knots, undetectable. The Kahtans would not know who was responsible, but these raids would continue, as part of the covert Tyrandisan support for the RALM Jihad against “Czar” Fabus…

The Coelacanth slid away from the site of the attack beneath the thermal layer, heading southeast and into the deeper waters. Tyrandisan involvement in this operation against the Kahtans would be totally secret, until Phase II of the operation, an amphibious invasion, began.

The ship did not even have a chance. The missile tore through the hull at the midsection of the ship, blowing it open. Almost as soon as it was hit, a distress signal went out, and a helicopter was on the way.

On the ship, 3 crew of the nine went down with the ship. The other 6 abandoned ship, and got into liferafts to await pickup.

International Waters, North Atlantic
62 nautical miles from Kahtan waters
1200 hrs ZULU

"Mission successful." breathed Abraham as he watched the live feed from the UAV on a plasma screen at the bridge. Ordinarily, sinking three ships was an event to celebrate, but this was murder, cold, calculated murder. While they had struck a blow against an evil state, it didn't make the submariners aboard Coelacanth feel any better about their action. The Barnacle made a few more sweeps over the area, noting that a Kahtan SAR helo was en route to the area from the readout on its on-board RADAR.

Meanwhile, the TSN Jackal, a Gladius-class fast attack boat, had received orders to support the Coelacanth in her mission of commerical raids. SSGNs excelled at the destruction of surface vessels, but in a fight under the waves, they may as well have been unarmed. The Jackal rendevoued with its charge without event, and the pair of silent killers sent their UAVs on a wide scan of the area for more merchant ships. The submariners at the very least could console themselves with the knowledge that this was only temporary, and soon they would be at war with the Kahtan navy.

Some fifty nautical miles to the south, another hunter-killer team was approaching the coast of Kahta, the submarines TSN Valor and the TSN Paladin. The former of these was another Gladius SSN, while the Paladin was a Pilum SSBN. They were moving on a course of two nine two, at a speed of six knots, their massive screw quietly parting the water. There were no cavitation noises, meaning that they would remain hidden until the time to strike was right. They were situated along a frequently used trading route, and all the crews of the Silent Service had to do was wait for the right opportunity.

"Skipper, I've got contacts bearing two-zero-seven, range looks somewhere around ten miles. From the screw noises it looks like there's three or four of em, they look pretty small, like another convoy." reported a sonarman aboard the Gladius. While officially the war plans demanded that only the SSBNs take the kills, the captain of this ship had an agreement with the Paladin's commander to split their prey. After a coin flip, Captain Zhao Li of the TSN Valor won the right to take first blood. "Up periscope," ordered Li, as he looked through the visor at his prey. Conditions were perfect for the Tyrandisan plan of attack, with clear skies and no military vessels around. This little band of merchant mariners were going to see their end at the point of a Mk. 56 MADCAP torpedo...

"All hands, battle stations!" ordered the captain while klaxons began flashing in all quarters. As the men onboard Valor rushed to their stations, Zhao Li looked at his targeting screen. "Designate main contact Tango-1, and go through 4." The plasma display lit up the ship positions, while the aft torpedomen hustled Mk. 56 MADCAP 660 millimeter torpedoes into the bays. "I've got firing solutions for all of em sir!" shouted a weapons officer as he watched his station. "Match generated bearings, and shoot!" ordered Captain Li.

The torpedoes slid out from the tubes, one by one, rocking the boat slightly as the pressurized gas expanded to push the deadly munitions out at a speed of 50 knots. The active SONAR guidance sent over a half ton of Octagen explosive into each of the trade vessels, enough to crush the civilian ships in half. As soon as this attack was carried out, the submarine pair vanished beneath the thermal layer like ghosts, while more and more Submarine Task Forces were moving towards the Kahtan trade routes, to bring the maritime shipping lines and with it the Kahtan economy to a screeching halt...

All 4 ships where destroyed. None of them got a message of distress out. They were blown out of the water.
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Kahta City
Imperial News Conference

"As Czar of Kahta, I am making 5 questions avaible on the apparent shipping crisis off the coast. First question"

"Thank you Czar, its an honor to be here. I was wondering if you had any plans to combat this undeclared war against Kahta."

"This war will not effect Kahta, currently we only import luxury goods, such as leather, tropical wood, and a few medical devices, such as pacemakers, but I am sure we can find other sources for these supplies. Next Question."

"Czar Fabus, do you suspect there is a certain country, or terrorist group behind this?"

"Yes, I believe that this is the workings of the forces of Satan, or possibly Sevaris, I am not sure yet, but if it is indeed Sevaris, I will figure out a plan. Next Question"

"If this war against Kahta continues, will you engage in Naval Patrols to stop these attacks?"

"I am not at the liberty to discuss what kind of patrols, or if we will be engaging in them."

"Mr. Czar Fabus, there have been people claiming you are orchestrating these attacks, is that true?"

"No, these are the words of New World Order conspiracy freaks. These traitors wish to create trouble where there is none. If you know about any of these traitorous freaks spreading lies, I recomend you report them to the local Imperial Guard Unit."

"Czar Fabus, why is it that you deny the New World Order exists, when you and other top leaders have spoken about it?"

"It is merely a term and will remain at that. End of subject."

Czar Sam Fabus then exited the podium.

"This war will not effect Kahta, currently we only import luxury goods, such as leather, tropical wood, and a few medical devices, such as pacemakers, but I am sure we can find other sources for these supplies. Next Question."


OOC: Ummm... Small problem here. Since you're based in the Northeastern USA (according to the DA thread), you need to import large amounts of raw materials (like petroleum, rubber, etc.) to keep your economy running. Since I've cut off the flow of these goods by my submarine blockade, you would have to find another way to get these items, or else your entire nation stops functioning...

I give it maybe 6 months or so before emergency stockpiles starting running out and anarchy takes hold.

OOC: Ummm... Small problem here. Since you're based in the Northeastern USA (according to the DA thread), you need to import large amounts of raw materials (like petroleum, rubber, etc.) to keep your economy running. Since I've cut off the flow of these goods by my submarine blockade, you would have to find another way to get these items, or else your entire nation stops functioning...

I give it maybe 6 months or so before emergency stockpiles starting running out and anarchy takes hold.
OOC: Not to mention food, hard to feed too many mouths with New England's soil.

OOC: Not to mention food, hard to feed too many mouths with New England's soil.

OOC: We keep a 2 year supply on hand in the form of MREs. And we grow large amounts of corn, beef, and pork, as a bare self sufficient minimum.

OOC: Ummm... Small problem here. Since you're based in the Northeastern USA (according to the DA thread), you need to import large amounts of raw materials (like petroleum, rubber, etc.) to keep your economy running. Since I've cut off the flow of these goods by my submarine blockade, you would have to find another way to get these items, or else your entire nation stops functioning...

I give it maybe 6 months or so before emergency stockpiles starting running out and anarchy takes hold.

[my private screen name]: In Earth DA, can we RP what resources we have?
IntratecAB109mm: yes

Kahta's economy is virtually self sufficient, if we need to import anything, we usually look to our neighbor which we share a border with, DA. Kahta's merchant marines are only about 12 approved companies. In emergencies, Czar Fabus could use old SSBN's converted into cargo submarines to keep the most vital imported goods flowing.

International Waters, North Atlantic
30 nautical miles from Kahtan waters
0800 hrs ZULU (Greenwich Mean Time)

The TSN Coelacanth was drifting in the calm seas of the Atlantic Ocean, its MHD drive online, making totally undetectable levels of noise at periscope depth. The new Pilnum-class SSGN had just received new orders from the Submarine Satellite Information Exchange, the communications network that was used exclusively by the nucs of the Imperial Navy. It was on a course of zero four five magnetic, waiting for the right opportunity to strike at its prey, vessels flying the Kahtan flag.

Several days ago, the Coelacanth was conducting ASW exercises in the area, but the most recent activity of Kahta, banning automobile sales from Asian manufacturers had pushed Davidson over the edge. The white trash of that massive nation was going to suffer total economic meltdown, courtesy of the sailors in the Silent Service. Already, spy satellites in geosynchronous orbit were quietly watching the activity of the Kahtan merchant marine, to better understand their trade routes and thus deploy more missile submarines for the job of interdiction. Kahta was going to pay, and pay hard for their recent activities.

And so, Operation SILENT ASSASSIN was developed. The overall idea of the plan was to ruin the Kahtan economy, and thus bring about the total collapse of the Samuel Fabus regime. Once the nation was thrown into anarchy, an invasion would begin in earnest, for the sake of "restoring order." Tyrandis would come out of this mess with new territory.

“Bridge,” radioed a midshipman as he watched his waterfall SONAR display, “I’ve got three possible contacts, bearing zero-four-eight, range thirty miles, speed around ten knots. Looks like a convoy.” The small yet powerful towed array scented blood, and the SS-N-26C Yakhont ASCMs mounted in the Pilnus’s VLS tubes were itching to sink some ships. Meanwhile, a lone Barnacle -class UAV, launched from the Coelacanth several days ago, was stealthily observing the Kahtan shipping lines. Considering that the UAV was coated with active camouflage and a plasma-stealth coating, not to mention flying at 62,000 feet, it wasn’t going to be detected by anything, especially not by commercial traffic. The live feed from the Barnacle’s camera showed clearly that these were Kahtan merchant sailors, and thus targets for the Coelacanth ‘s deadly weapons.

“Roger that sonar,” replied Commodore Benjamin Abraham, the commander of this boomer. He was a veteran of the Russian war, and knew the tricks of the submariner’s trade. He had a simple task: smash any and all commercial traffic flying a Kahtan flag. Granted, Abraham wasn’t very enthusiastic about doing the equivalent of clubbing baby seals, but orders were orders, and he would fulfill them to the best of his abilities. “Weapons,” ordered Abraham, “Ready VLS.” Within a minute, the state-of-the-art sea skimmers were loaded, prepped and ready to fire. “Navigation, turn up fifteen degrees.” The Pilnus lurched slightly, until it was at firing depth. “Let’s see here,” muttered Abraham as he looked at the Masters display in front of him. The four targets were designated with the names Sierra-1 through 4, and assigned firing solutions. “Fire at will,” uttered the captain, as the VLS tubes opened up…

A rain of three Yakhont-C missiles was launched at each of the ships, from a distance of just 50 kilometers, their trails lighting up just above the water. The cruise missiles were designed so that just one would totally destroy a vessel, and three would be overkill, especially with the new Octo-Nitro-Cubane warheads mounted on the things. Simply put, the Kahtan ships were destined for a date with Davy Jones’s Locker, and nothing in the world could save them now. As soon as the launches finished, the boomer responsible sank back down beneath the isothermal layer, and started heading south, back to the open sea at a leisurely speed of 6 knots, undetectable. The Kahtans would not know who was responsible, but these raids would continue, as part of the covert Tyrandisan support for the RALM Jihad against “Czar” Fabus…

The Coelacanth slid away from the site of the attack beneath the thermal layer, heading southeast and into the deeper waters. Tyrandisan involvement in this operation against the Kahtans would be totally secret, until Phase II of the operation, an amphibious invasion, began.

OOC: Nice....I have to get involved somehow, Kahta, would you mind an embassy attack?

Kahta's economy is virtually self sufficient, if we need to import anything, we usually look to our neighbor which we share a border with, DA. Kahta's merchant marines are only about 12 approved companies. In emergencies, Czar Fabus could use old SSBN's converted into cargo submarines to keep the most vital imported goods flowing.

OOC: Ok, the whole "I CAN HAVE WHATEVER RESOURCES I NEED LOL" is BS, but I'll put that aside. If you're based in Earth DA, fine. I can deal with that.

The fact of the matter remains that you need to bring at least SOME stuff in, most importantly oil (New England isn't known for its petroleum production capacity), and that stuff is vital to any economy. Your nation's financial health is seriously being hurt by my submarine fleet, which is currently sitting on your major trade routes (which were acquired by satellite recon).

It remains then, that you can't just shrug this blockade off, because eventually your economy is going to collapse completely, leading to a chaotic populace. Furthermore, how exactly are you capable of having 2 years stockpiled food for over 2.9 BILLION PEOPLE?

OOC: Nice....I have to get involved somehow, Kahta, would you mind an embassy attack?


OOC: Sure

SIC To Sam MacDonald

"Hello there... I know EXACTLY who is behind the attacks. Sam, remember the Real ALM? I think they or one of their allies attacked you, potentially in relation to the ban on asian cars. Sevaris had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks."-The Great Leader Li.

SIC To Sam MacDonald

"Hello there... I know EXACTLY who is behind the attacks. Sam, remember the Real ALM? I think they or one of their allies attacked you, potentially in relation to the ban on asian cars. Sevaris had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks."-The Great Leader Li.

Secret IC:

If it was them, I will not conduct offensive ground operations unless I can find out who exactly it was. I will not lift the ban ever.

Czar Sam Fabus

"Understood on the ban, but try to find out what nations were hurt badly by the ban on asian cars. Those nations might find cause with the RALM."-The Great Leader Li.

OOC: Ok, the whole "I CAN HAVE WHATEVER RESOURCES I NEED LOL" is BS, but I'll put that aside. If you're based in Earth DA, fine. I can deal with that.

The fact of the matter remains that you need to bring at least SOME stuff in, most importantly oil (New England isn't known for its petroleum production capacity), and that stuff is vital to any economy. Your nation's financial health is seriously being hurt by my submarine fleet, which is currently sitting on your major trade routes (which were acquired by satellite recon).

It remains then, that you can't just shrug this blockade off, because eventually your economy is going to collapse completely, leading to a chaotic populace. Furthermore, how exactly are you capable of having 2 years stockpiled food for over 2.9 BILLION PEOPLE?


OOC: We have steel reserves in New Hampshire, and Alunimum in the Fingerlakes region of New York. Our oil comes largely from drilling operations around Cape Cod. We recycle almost everything.

Also, our food is self sufficient for the minimum crops, such as meat, corn, potatoes, some fruits, lettuce, and other crops that can be grown hydroponically, or in a Northeast climate. Besides, if there is a need, I can import whatever I need via land, through DA.

ooc: my nation is large self sufficient, except it has no oil reserves. I get around the fact that I have no oil by using Fusion extensively.

OPEN COMMUNIQUÉ

Whoever does this, we applaud these actions against lapdog #1 of Decisive Action, Kahta. We even feel to support this mysterious attacker, whoever this may be. Mysterious attacker, you have our blessing and goodspeed.

ooc: my nation is large self sufficient, except it has no oil reserves. I get around the fact that I have no oil by using Fusion extensively.

OOC: 95% of the cars here are hybrids. Most houses get their own electricity with solar energy, and use solar panels to heat the water of the house. Whatever electricity we need to produce, we get from the coal fields of the White Mountains.

ooc: yea, with solar there's the problem of not getting enough electricity in the winter.

OOC: Kahta, there are problems here. You can't be sufficient on food since New England is known for its horrible and rocky soil. Even hybrids need gas. Most hybrids still get at best 30-40 mpg, but when you have billions of people you need oil still. You can't BS that you have oil in Cape Cod, that is GODMODDING. As for solar, a whole roof covered with them would not power a house or come close to it. NE does not have a good climate for it.

If you are isolated from the sea your economy will collapse. You can't export enough then and manufacturing jobs go and a ripple effect occurs. If the US closed all trade both ways we would have to lay off most of the manufacturing jobs and then services would go etc. You are running for a repeat of the depression

ooc: yea, with solar there's the problem of not getting enough electricity in the winter.

OOC: 3-Day Batteries If the batteries fail, powerplants kick in.

OOC: 3-Day Batteries If the batteries fail, powerplants kick in.
OOCL Even in summer a whole roof of solar power cells won't do jack shit. Especially true in summer when air conditioners will suck so much juice that the power cells are useless.

OOCL Even in summer a whole roof of solar power cells won't do jack shit. Especially true in summer when air conditioners will suck so much juice that the power cells are useless.

OOC: Ok, good point.

Kahta uses coal to power its electricity grid, the 70% of Kahta's power is made with clean burning coal powerplants, the other 30% is from green sources such as hydroelectric, solar, and wind power.

OOC: Ok, good point.

Kahta uses coal to power its electricity grid, the 70% of Kahta's power is made with clean burning coal powerplants, the other 30% is from green sources such as hydroelectric, solar, and wind power.

OOC: Your electrical grid will be able to survive for some time, but you can't avoid the fact that the average joe using a fuel inefficient vehicle (As you yourself said, all fuel efficient cars are being banned) will be unable to fill it up, causing the major avenues of transportation to be inoperable, leading to an economic disaster.

Look, you can't just ignore the fact that an unknown number of submarines have denied you access to the open sea. While you can try and hunt for them with your surface navy/own subs, if my blockade remains in effect for more than a few months, your econ is trashed to the point that all I have to do is roll in with several army divisions and seize power in a bloodless coup.

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If you are isolated from the sea your economy will collapse. You can't export enough then and manufacturing jobs go and a ripple effect occurs. If the US closed all trade both ways we would have to lay off most of the manufacturing jobs and then services would go etc. You are running for a repeat of the depression

I have yet to see a reasonable way out of this arguement.

OOC: Your electrical grid will be able to survive for some time, but you can't avoid the fact that the average joe using a fuel inefficient vehicle (As you yourself said, all fuel efficient cars are being banned) will be unable to fill it up, causing the major avenues of transportation to be inoperable, leading to an economic disaster.

Look, you can't just ignore the fact that an unknown number of submarines have denied you access to the open sea. While you can try and hunt for them with your surface navy/own subs, if my blockade remains in effect for more than a few months, your econ is trashed to the point that all I have to do is roll in with several army divisions and seize power in a bloodless coup.

edit:

I have yet to see a reasonable way out of this arguement.


Rolling in with several army divisions won't do jack. His armed forces don't vanish because his economy tanks, granted they will be greatly reduced. But Russia today would be far from a push-over, even given their poor economy.

A third world Iraqi insurgency movement, in a nation with 50% unemployment before the invasion (went to about 80% after) has made the US effort far from "bloodless". Somalia, with no economy, was far from bloodless. Nothing is free.

Anyway, MS could be supplying him via land routes from Ohio and Lake Erie, or from C-130s and C-17s. And that is just what we'll do.

Also we're going to send Anti-Submarine Warfare ships to help his fleet.

OOC: Kahta, there are problems here. You can't be sufficient on food since New England is known for its horrible and rocky soil. Even hybrids need gas. Most hybrids still get at best 30-40 mpg, but when you have billions of people you need oil still. You can't BS that you have oil in Cape Cod, that is GODMODDING. As for solar, a whole roof covered with them would not power a house or come close to it. NE does not have a good climate for it.

If you are isolated from the sea your economy will collapse. You can't export enough then and manufacturing jobs go and a ripple effect occurs. If the US closed all trade both ways we would have to lay off most of the manufacturing jobs and then services would go etc. You are running for a repeat of the depression


1. Hydroponics are used extensively to grow food inside, in greenhouses, year round.
2. In Earth DA, we are allowed to RP what resources we have.
3. I stated that we have powerplants too.
4. No, you buy the globalist theory. The smoot-harley tarrifs were like pulling the handle up, when you've already flushed the toilet.

OOC: Your electrical grid will be able to survive for some time, but you can't avoid the fact that the average joe using a fuel inefficient vehicle (As you yourself said, all fuel efficient cars are being banned) will be unable to fill it up, causing the major avenues of transportation to be inoperable, leading to an economic disaster.

Look, you can't just ignore the fact that an unknown number of submarines have denied you access to the open sea. While you can try and hunt for them with your surface navy/own subs, if my blockade remains in effect for more than a few months, your econ is trashed to the point that all I have to do is roll in with several army divisions and seize power in a bloodless coup.


1. I never banned fuel efficient vehicles.
2. I'm not ignoring it. We will import goods through other means, such as land, via DA.
3. If the economy crashes will people suddenly lose their brainwashed loyalty to the Czar, and the country? Kahtans are fiercely nationalistic, and will not make things easy for an invader. I'd guess maybe 10-15% would cooperate, 50% would passively rebel, and the rest would be active in an insurgency to return the Czar to power.
4. If my military doesn't have fuel, it can still fight, the troops will just have to walk everywhere, and tanks/artillery will turn into immobile guns.

1. Hydroponics are used extensively to grow food inside, in greenhouses, year round.
2. In Earth DA, we are allowed to RP what resources we have.
3. I stated that we have powerplants too.
4. No, you buy the globalist theory. The smoot-harley tarrifs were like pulling the handle up, when you've already flushed the toilet.

[OOC- Hint. #4 is the Smoot-Hawley tariff acts. Oh, and tag.]

tag; this should be interesting; given what else is planned

[OOC- Hint. #4 is the Smoot-Hawley tariff acts. Oh, and tag.]

Yeah, I know it was something like that.

To Sam MacDonald, nominal "Czar" of Kahta:

"Sam, listen to me. The RALM and their allied nations are after your ass.What you need to do is mobilize your war machine and hit the actual nations supporting the RALM, otherwise they'll destroy your economy, and Czar Roger won't support you for long if he sees you as a liability."

To Sam MacDonald, nominal "Czar" of Kahta:

"Sam, listen to me. The RALM and their allied nations are after your ass. I wouldn't recommend leaning on the Mississippians either. Remember your embassy? What you need to do is mobilize your war machine and hit the actual nations supporting the RALM."


Since that embassy stuff was so poorly RPed, I ignored it. I'll probably be accepting it if it gets redone properly. (although if isn't up to me, it's not my attack to RP, so it's really up to the other guy to do it right)

Since that embassy stuff was so poorly RPed, I ignored it. I'll probably be accepting it if it gets redone properly. (although if isn't up to me, it's not my attack to RP, so it's really up to the other guy to do it right)

OOC: I redid the thread, and I am RPing the entry in to MS. And again, I do apologize for not doing the homework.....it was my first time, I only made the mistake once more with Camel Eaters, it won't happen again.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390759 The RP is here.

ooc: edited./

1. I never banned fuel efficient vehicles.
2. I'm not ignoring it. We will import goods through other means, such as land, via DA.
3. If the economy crashes will people suddenly lose their brainwashed loyalty to the Czar, and the country? Kahtans are fiercely nationalistic, and will not make things easy for an invader. I'd guess maybe 10-15% would cooperate, 50% would passively rebel, and the rest would be active in an insurgency to return the Czar to power.
4. If my military doesn't have fuel, it can still fight, the troops will just have to walk everywhere, and tanks/artillery will turn into immobile guns.

1. You said, and I quote quite clearly, that you banned every single vehicle from asian manufacturers. They are, currently in the US, the only people who build fuel efficient vehicles.
2. And how much do you think that will replace? 20% of your normal imports and exports, perhaps? Again, if the blockade remains in strength, the economy WILL collapse and result in mass unrest against your nation. I will simply stand back and watch as your citizens create perfect conditions for an overland invasion to occur.
3. Yes, they would. Nationalism only goes so far, consider Germany in WWII.
4. Okay, so you have a bunch of foot soldiers just standing around armed with rifles while my air forces ravage your defense positions unchecked (Remember, you have no oil.), which are already weakened by the destroyed economy.

Also, HOW THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU GET OIL FROM CAPE COD?! That makes no sense.

Deep ocean drilling operations are reasonable, but remember that MY SUBMARINES ARE SINKING THE SHIPS CARRYING THE CRUDE BACK. The point I'm trying to make is that your navy will HAVE to try and stop my raids within the month or else your country collapses.

Oh and DA, I thought we agreed to ignore each other. I won't bother with the "Hearts and Minds" crap that the U.S is doing in Iraq. This will be total war, where not a single man is left alive, ala AMF's style of conquest.

Next post will be IC, there's too much OOC crap cluttering this thread already.

1. You said, and I quote quite clearly, that you banned every single vehicle from asian manufacturers. They are, currently in the US, the only people who build fuel efficient vehicles.
2. And how much do you think that will replace? 20% of your normal imports and exports, perhaps? Again, if the blockade remains in strength, the economy WILL collapse and result in mass unrest against your nation. I will simply stand back and watch as your citizens create perfect conditions for an overland invasion to occur.
3. Yes, they would. Nationalism only goes so far, consider Germany in WWII.
4. Okay, so you have a bunch of foot soldiers just standing around armed with rifles while my air forces ravage your defense positions unchecked (Remember, you have no oil.), which are already weakened by the destroyed economy.

Also, HOW THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU GET OIL FROM CAPE COD?! That makes no sense.

Deep ocean drilling operations are reasonable, but remember that MY SUBMARINES ARE SINKING THE SHIPS CARRYING THE CRUDE BACK. The point I'm trying to make is that your navy will HAVE to try and stop my raids within the month or else your country collapses.

Oh and DA, I thought we agreed to ignore each other. I won't bother with the "Hearts and Minds" crap that the U.S is doing in Iraq. This will be total war, where not a single man is left alive, ala AMF's style of conquest.

Next post will be IC, there's too much OOC crap cluttering this thread already.

Ooc- I may just have to unignore you since you're attacking my main ally. Although if I do unignore you, it'll likely be just until this Kahta stuff is resolved. I'll update you with a TG or something after I've made up my mind. For now though, I have lots of RL work to tend to.

International Waters, North Atlantic
60 mi from Kahtan waters
0300 hrs ZULU

The TSN Jackal was following the submariner's creed of "Run Silent, Run Deep," to its very core, running at just six knots at a depth of 820 feet. Its single eight bladed screw was surrounded by an acoustic housing, silencing the already near-undetectable level of noise the Gladius-class SSN made. It was a pretty uneventful day, although the crew of the submarine did have a bit of fun watching the Coelacanth smash a Kahtan oil tanker, resulting in a massive fireball that blossomed over the otherwise calm seas of the Atlantic Ocean.

Petty Officer William Jackson took advantage of this lull in action to catch some shuteye as his shift on the SONAR station was nearing its end. Closing his eyes, he thought of what his God would think of his activities against the blasphemous cretins of Kahta and Decisive Action, although he still kept a modicum of attention to his headphones...

"Captain!" shouted Jackson as he heard the telltale sound of a cavitating propeller in the water, "I've got at least two contacts bearing zero five two, range somewhere around fifteen miles! It sounds like a goddamn naval patrol." Captain Quentin Gregory of the TSN Jackal quickly snapped to his wits, then started issuing orders. "All hands, battle stations!" Flashing red alert lights opened up in all quarters as the sailors aboard the submarine moved to ready for the first shots of an actual war...

"Weapons!" ordered CPT Gregory, "I need a Masters readout, right now!"

"Aye sir, we've got a real faint lock on the first one, but the second sounds like a destroyer of some sort. Targets have been designated Bravo One and Two. I'm trying to bring up firing solutions on the first, need a better position!" To accomodate this need, the Jackal started surfacing as ballast tanks emptied, but not fast enough to create cavitation and thus detection. Once the SSN got to 450 feet, the weapons officer finally got the feed he so needed on the primary target. "Skipper, weapons solutions have been acquired for targets Bravo-1 and -2!" shouted the man while torpedomen loaded the newest weapon in the Tyrandisan arsenal, the 660mm TNM-16 Supercavitating Torpedo into the weapons bays.

"Match generated bearings, and open fire!" The TSN Jackal's weapons bays opened up, releasing two TNM-16 torpedoes into the water, moving at an incredible speed of five hundred miles per hour, suspended in a bubble of air that almost totally eliminated friction with the water. At this speed, the TNM-16 would be almost completely unstoppable. The projectiles caused some tangible recoil on the launching platform, but this was no sacrifice for such performance.

Once in the water, the four TNM-16s started on their flight path, shooting towards the Kahtan surface vessels. It had a 420 pound Octo-Nitro-Cubane warhead, but that was not the real killer. The sheer kinetic energy from the TNM-16 meant that anything hit by it would capsize immediately.

As soon as the attack was finished, the TSN Jackal dove beneath the isothermal layer again, a vanishing phantom of the dark seas...

These are not Kahtan ships, ours are all docked, preparing for searching the ocean.

These are not Kahtan ships, ours are all docked, preparing for searching the ocean.

OOC: You said you were having naval patrols hunting for my subs in that statement by Fabus, correct?

If not, I'll adjust the post.

1. You said, and I quote quite clearly, that you banned every single vehicle from asian manufacturers. They are, currently in the US, the only people who build fuel efficient vehicles.
2. And how much do you think that will replace? 20% of your normal imports and exports, perhaps? Again, if the blockade remains in strength, the economy WILL collapse and result in mass unrest against your nation. I will simply stand back and watch as your citizens create perfect conditions for an overland invasion to occur.
3. Yes, they would. Nationalism only goes so far, consider Germany in WWII.
4. Okay, so you have a bunch of foot soldiers just standing around armed with rifles while my air forces ravage your defense positions unchecked (Remember, you have no oil.), which are already weakened by the destroyed economy.

Also, HOW THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU GET OIL FROM CAPE COD?! That makes no sense.

Deep ocean drilling operations are reasonable, but remember that MY SUBMARINES ARE SINKING THE SHIPS CARRYING THE CRUDE BACK. The point I'm trying to make is that your navy will HAVE to try and stop my raids within the month or else your country collapses.

Oh and DA, I thought we agreed to ignore each other. I won't bother with the "Hearts and Minds" crap that the U.S is doing in Iraq. This will be total war, where not a single man is left alive, ala AMF's style of conquest.

Next post will be IC, there's too much OOC crap cluttering this thread already.

1. As I stated already, Kahta uses hybrid vehicles, and one or two MPG, does not matter when it comes to fuel efficiency, unless you are poor.
2. We can import this over land through DA. Plans are underway to expand the rail and highway connections.
3. Hitler didn't use brainwashing and subliminal messages. Also, consider the fact that most males that could have lead a guerilla war, had been killed on the eastern front, or were being sent to soviet death camps. And most Germans fled the soviets because the soviets were animals.
4. They can still carry around weapons, just use animals to do the pulling of ammo trucks. And I, like most sensible nations keep 1 year of civillian fuel supplies on hand, and around 2 years of military fuel supplies.

If the people see that they won't be left alive, they won't see a point in going peacefully. Remember, we arm our civillians with weapons such as RPG-7's and G-36's.

We drilled for oil and found it. Earth DA allows for the RPing of resource finds. Our off shore drilling is piped to land, we wouldn't do something as stupid as use ships for something so easy.

Eventually my navy will conduct sweeps of the area using sonar, and small nuclear weapons. Small ones.

Ah ys; your average everyday soviet was an animal; while the mass murdering anti-semetic men at the top of the German government were...angels?

Also; you give your people weapons like that!? I'd hate to see a domestic disturbance :P

To Sam MacDonald, nominal "Czar" of Kahta:

"Sam, listen to me. The RALM and their allied nations are after your ass.What you need to do is mobilize your war machine and hit the actual nations supporting the RALM, otherwise they'll destroy your economy, and Czar Roger won't support you for long if he sees you as a liability."


Roger will not abandon me, he is my brother in-law. I will hit them when the time is right.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: You said you were having naval patrols hunting for my subs in that statement by Fabus, correct?

If not, I'll adjust the post.

OOC: They are getting trained in the handling of low yield nuclear weapons as depth charges.

Ah ys; your average everyday soviet was an animal; while the mass murdering anti-semetic men at the top of the German government were...angels?

Also; you give your people weapons like that!? I'd hate to see a domestic disturbance :P

The German government did not endorse the mass rapes and killings of civillians simply because they were "there". Stalin told his men to rape every woman they could see.

The German government killed 12 million people because of their religion and because they were "in the way", but they did not endorse mass rape.

OOC: Umm, ya, you do know how many Russians Germany killed? I think it was something like 10million Russian CIVILIANS, now thats not counting Russian soldiers, now I dunno bout you but if some country broke a few agreements, backstabbed me and invaded me then proceeded to kill millions of my felow countrymen, friends family exc Id be pretty pissed. Its impossible to picture the kind of mass destruction that Germany put Russia's cities and people thru. But of course its ok cause they were in the way.

Other than that, tag.

OOC: They are getting trained in the handling of low yield nuclear weapons as depth charges.

One problem with that.

If you use these weapons often, you'll end up with a radioactive Atlantic Ocean. Then the entire world will suffer from radioactive rain, mutated ocean creatures, sky high cancer rates, etc.

OOC: Umm, ya, you do know how many Russians Germany killed? I think it was something like 10million Russian CIVILIANS, now thats not counting Russian soldiers, now I dunno bout you but if some country broke a few agreements, backstabbed me and invaded me then proceeded to kill millions of my felow countrymen, friends family exc Id be pretty pissed. Its impossible to picture the kind of mass destruction that Germany put Russia's cities and people thru. But of course its ok cause they were in the way.

Other than that, tag.

OOC: I'm not going to respond, because I want this to stay IC. No more OOC comments about WWII.

One problem with that.

If you use these weapons often, you'll end up with a radioactive Atlantic Ocean. Then the entire world will suffer from radioactive rain, mutated ocean creatures, sky high cancer rates, etc.


We'll use high explosives if thats needed. We have enough of either.

We are ready to support Kahta in any way possible. Just give us the word on how we can help and it will be done

Regards,
~King Jedo~
King of Moronyicka

Fleet Admiral Marcus Patinkin was busy arranging the two-pronged blockades of both Roach-Busters and Generic Empire when he received word from Navy Command that submarine raids against Kahta were damaging their shipping.

"Excellent! Uh, um, too bad," he said. "Do we have any word on the culprit so we can, um, investigate? Yeah, that's the ticket, investigate."

"Negative, sir. Should we send a squadron?"

"What, are you nuts? Why should we? We've got our own wars to fight, but if we ever find out who did it, I'm sending them a nice bottle of Pacitalian wine as a reward."

Patinkin chuckled softly and went back to studying the reports of the war fronts. My only regret is it's not our subs doing it, he thought.

Operation Eradication

Slowly the 700 P-3's took off, loaded with 120 sonobouys each, each p-3 was assigned a particluar sector of the shipping lanes. The computers on board would be conducting most of the flight, and dropping of sonobouys onto the ocean below. These sonobuoys were the newest design, they had a small 300 foot cable, that could listen in on other layers. These sonobouys also could last for an almost unlimited amount of time until they mechanically broke. There was a recharging mechanism that gathered energy from the waves as they went up and down.

International Waters
208 mi from Kahtan waters
0500 hrs ZULU

The splash of sonobuoys being dropped from Anti Submarine Warfare aircraft is a sound that is loathed and simultaeneously feared by any submariner. The Tyrandisan raiders engaged in the blockade of Kahta were a notable exception, thanks to the near-blind faith they possessed in the technological superiority of their undersea warships. As the P-3C Orions passed by overhead, the active SONAR employed by the buoys resonated through the water, searching futilely for the silent hunters all the while alerting the submarines that someone was looking for them.

The reaction of the crews was less one of panic than one of mild amusement; after all, the anechoic tiling employed on the Tyrandisan submarines and NASC-5 Active SONAR Countermeasure system meant that even the powerful energy from the buoys would be unable to detect the vessels.

"Conn," reported a ubiquitious SONAR operator aboard the TSN Jackal, "I've got active pings in the water, around two seven zero, give or take a few degrees. From the strength of the signal it looks like it's around 158 nautical miles from us, very weak. I believe that we will be entering 'fuzz' range in about a half-hour, recommend activation of caterpillar and NASC." Captain Gregory issued the orders, and the Gladius-class attack submarine decelerated to eight knots, its MHD drive active. Meanwhile, the storied NASC-5 went online, sampling the Kahtan SONAR waves and blocking it.

The NASC-5 was easily the most complex system ever devised by the scientists of Tyrandis's naval design bureau. It employed out of phase emissions that crippled the echo that a SONAR receives from the unit it was mounted on, by actively emitting sound waves of the same frequency as the ping but exactly out of phase. The out-of-phase acoustics caused the ping in question to be cancelled out, rendering active SONAR totally useless against the submarine forces.

As soon as the Jackal was in range, a weapons hatch in the SSN's nose opened up, unveiling the submarine's secondary weapon, the SCKK-1 Adaptable High-speed Underwater Munitions cannon. Designed to be used against stationary non-vital targets, the SCKK-1 was the latest in SuperCavitating Kinetic Kill weapons. The men onboard Jackal swiftly found the target, the sonobuoys. Firing 30mm rounds at a speed just under Mach 1, the cannon unleashed a spray of fire at the sonobuoy, then retracted into the bay and went into deeper seas, along with the Jackal. The story was much the same wherever those sonobuoys were dropped, with Gladius SSNs sneaking up and destroying the targets in question, then vanishing into the dark seas.

Now it was Tyrandis's turn to strike.

TSN Valor, like all Gladius SSNs, was armed with Black Arrow Surface to Air Missiles. The Valor was at periscope depth, waiting for an Orion to flyby, when one was spotted. Considering that not a single Kahtan submarine nor surface vessel was anywhere near the plane, Captain Li decided to attack. The Valor's weapons officers quickly loosed off a pair of the SAMs via the Vertical Launch System cells mounted on top of the submarine, all directed at the hapless crew of the Orion. The missiles shed their SuperCavitating shells once they broke the waterline, then acclerated to a speed of Mach 4.5, far too fast for the prop driven aircraft. Once this attack was completed, the Valor sank back down below the isothermal layer, and prepared for the next wave of attacks...
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edit: Minor note... I will ignore any/all use of nuclear weapons. If you set those things off, you'd end up with, as Sharina put so bluntly, a radioactive ocean. High explosives are fine.

Furthermore, show me where you RPed finding oil in Cape Cod. If you cannot, I will call you out on godmodding.

Bump for Kahta, possible views.

OOC1: No need to RP what resources my country has. In Earth DA, we can RP our resources, just like people RP what they find in their countries that don't follow RL earth formations.

OOC2: You are going to be ignored until further notice this is because of godmodding the following:

1. An undetectable submarine
2. A gun on a submarine that somehow can withstand the pressures of the ocean, and it can somehow be deployed from the hull, when in fact this would be loud, and compromise the structure of the submarine.
3. A missile that can be targeted without a radar, that automatically hits the plane.
4. A listening system that can hear an airplane flying at 15,000 feet.
5. Sonobouys that I stated were passive, and dropped passive lines down into the other layers.
6. A gun that can automatically target something the size of a computer from hundreds of yards away, that is moving vertically.

OOC:Definition of Godmoding
1) Saying what happens to other people's stuff.
2) Refusing to take any losses. Or lose. Ever.
3) Having übertech armies that are too large, etc.
4) Having your nation’s geography to your extreme advantage.

This is from the sticky on godmodding. If you RPed finding oil ahead of time I'd let this pass. If I do something major with resources I RP it, an example was the Ottoman Khaif-IDF pipeline built from Saudi fields to my harbor at Haifa. That was RPed because it was a major event, as an oil find would be. It appears you are pulling this oil field out of your ass to avoid the blockade.

OOC1: No need to RP what resources my country has. In Earth DA, we can RP our resources, just like people RP what they find in their countries that don't follow RL earth formations.

OOC2: You are going to be ignored until further notice this is because of godmodding the following:

1. An undetectable submarine
2. A gun on a submarine that somehow can withstand the pressures of the ocean, and it can somehow be deployed from the hull, when in fact this would be loud, and compromise the structure of the submarine.
3. A missile that can be targeted without a radar, that automatically hits the plane.
4. A listening system that can hear an airplane flying at 15,000 feet.
5. Sonobouys that I stated were passive, and dropped passive lines down into the other layers.
6. A gun that can automatically target something the size of a computer from hundreds of yards away, that is moving vertically.

OOC:
1. There's a way to beat that system, you need to use passive SONAR, and listen very carefully. The MHD drive sounds very much like mating sharks.
2. Look up AHUM on google, it's a feasible concept.
3. The missile is guided via IR. I also never said it hit.
4. There was no listening. I detected the plane via periscope.
5. You did not, as I quote:
These sonobuoys were the newest design, they had a small 300 foot cable, that could listen in on other layers. These sonobouys also could last for an almost unlimited amount of time until they mechanically broke. There was a recharging mechanism that gathered energy from the waves as they went up and down.
If I assumed incorrectly, I apologize. However, I don't see passive sonar in that post anywhere.
6. As I said previously, I thought you were using Active SONAR, meaning that I therefore can get a target solution even without use of my own SONAR.

I will re-write the thread, but your ridiculous oil in cape cod makes no sense, seeing as how you neither RPed it nor even said that existed before my blockade.

OOC: The SUBSAM is IR guided and doesn't use RADAR. It is very effective in RL tests against jet fighters let alone a slow POS 45 year old turbo-prop patrol plane that can't run or maneuve worth a ****.

OOC:
This is from the sticky on godmodding. If you RPed finding oil ahead of time I'd let this pass. If I do something major with resources I RP it, an example was the Ottoman Khaif-IDF pipeline built from Saudi fields to my harbor at Haifa. That was RPed because it was a major event, as an oil find would be. It appears you are pulling this oil field out of your ass to avoid the blockade.

OOC: I suppose I should RP ALL resource finds in my nation, just as you suggest. I have always said that Kahta produces our own oil.

OOC:
1. There's a way to beat that system, you need to use passive SONAR, and listen very carefully. The MHD drive sounds very much like mating sharks.
2. Look up AHUM on google, it's a feasible concept.
3. The missile is guided via IR. I also never said it hit.
4. There was no listening. I detected the plane via periscope.
5. You did not, as I quote:

If I assumed incorrectly, I apologize. However, I don't see passive sonar in that post anywhere.
6. As I said previously, I thought you were using Active SONAR, meaning that I therefore can get a target solution even without use of my own SONAR.

I will re-write the thread, but your ridiculous oil in cape cod makes no sense, seeing as how you neither RPed it nor even said that existed before my blockade.

1. I am using passive sonar.
2. No, its not, its a complete godmod. The Maus tank was a feasible concept as well. And it sacrifices hull integrity.
3. Then how did you find the plane?
4. You have a periscope that can find a plane designed to blend in with the sky?
5. It says "listening in"
6. ok

I have always said Kahta produces oil, and Kahta is nearly self sufficient. Do you remember when Kahta supplied DA with oil because they were having problems?

OOC: The SUBSAM is IR guided and doesn't use RADAR. It is very effective in RL tests against jet fighters let alone a slow POS 45 year old turbo-prop patrol plane that can't run or maneuve worth a ****.

OOC: They are modernized obviously, and the missile breaking the surface would make sounds too.

OOC: For the plane its simple, when tis flying low to drop the bouys you can detet the beating on the water surface, but even so he'd know wen you were their cause of the splash of the bouy drop and bouys don't just rain down.

And the ASHUM/missile he uses are fine, if you really want I can hook you up with a tech page that has weapons much like his.

OOC: For the plane its simple, when tis flying low to drop the bouys you can detet the beating on the water surface, but even so he'd know wen you were their cause of the splash of the bouy drop and bouys don't just rain down.

And the ASHUM/missile he uses are fine, if you really want I can hook you up with a tech page that has weapons much like his.

OOC: They are dropped from 15,000 feet, and every aspect is computer controlled, so that a grid is made.

OOC:

I'm interested in the SUBSAM and ASHUM. I'd like some links to good websites for them.

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1. I am using passive sonar.
2. No, its not, its a complete godmod. The Maus tank was a feasible concept as well. And it sacrifices hull integrity.
3. Then how did you find the plane?
4. You have a periscope that can find a plane designed to blend in with the sky?
5. It says "listening in"
6. ok

I have always said Kahta produces oil, and Kahta is nearly self sufficient. Do you remember when Kahta supplied DA with oil because they were having problems?

1. Alright then. You can try to find them, and the only time you can get a get a good firing solution is when the submarines actually attack, not if they're just floating around. Also remember that my subs are quieter than the background noise of the ocean, somewhat like the Ohio-class submarines in the USN.
2.
http://www.diodon349.com/Kursk-Memorial/Warpdrive_underwater.htm
The next step in supercavitating projectile technology will be an entirely subsurface gun system using Adaptable High-Speed Undersea Munitions (AHSUM). These would take the form of supercavitating "kinetic-kill" bullets that are fired from guns in streamlined turrets fitted to the submerged hulls of submarines, surface ships or towed mine-countermeasure sleds. The sonar-directed AHSUM system is hoped to be the underwater equivalent of the U.S. Navy's Phalanx weapons system
It's already in development by the US Navy.
3. I spotted it visually, brought up weapons solution from VLS and fired.
4. The P-3C as an ASW platform can only operate effectively at a pretty low altitude, meaning that visual ID wouldn't be too hard.
5. "Listening in" can also mean that it was firing Active SONAR pulses and "listening in" for the echoes.

I still call bullshit on your OIL IN CAPE COD!!1!1, seeing as how you only now said that there's crude in that body of water once my submarines have closed off the open seas. It's a flagrant godmod, as Euroslavia defined it so well.

Also, how the bloody hell are you dropping sonobuoys from 15,000 feet? The impact damage with the sea would cause the sensors onboard to be destroyed completely.

edit: Oh, and Sharina, for the SUBSAM: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/SYS_SUBSAM.html

Several readers have sent me info on an existing system deployed by the Russians on their newest subs called SUBSAM. This is an IR missile, supposedly a modified-for-sea SA-14 Gremlin, held within a vertical launch tube inside the sail, intended to be launched against an ASW aircraft which is in attack against the submarine.

The advantage of the IR seeker is that no external targeting is required. Used alone at sea, the ASW aircraft would be the only target available for the missile to lock on to.

The disadvantage of the sail launched IR missile is that the sub must come shallow to execute the launch, and the launch itself reveals the sub's exact position. The latter is a small loss in a one-on-one scenario assuming the missile hits the target.

Obviously, the canister launch system greatly reduces the risk to the sub by allowing the sub to stay deeper and to be somewhere else when the missile itself breaks the surface.

Also, a description of my TNM-16 will be helpful:

TNM-16 Pirahna SuperCavitating Torpedo

http://www.diodon349.com/Kursk-Memorial/Kursk_images/0501ashley_7a.jpg

The TNM-16 Pirahna torpedo is the standard anti-ship munition carried by the submarine forces of the Militant Imperium.

Based loosely off the old Shkval torpedoes developed by the Soviet Union in the late 1970's, the TNM-16 was built in response to the growing trend of "Run Fast, Run Deep" in nautical weapons design. Developed using Computational Fluid Dynamics, Pirahna is expected to replace the old Mk. 56 MADCAPs currently fielded within the decade.

After the TNM-16 Pirahna clears the tube at fifty knots, the Pirahna's RAMjet fires, propelling the missile through the water at over five hundred miles per hour several times as fast as conventional torpedoes. The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles.

When the suction on the low-pressure side of the propeller blade dips below ambient pressure [atmospheric plus hydrostatic head] the propeller blade cavitates -- a vacuum cavity forms. There is water vapor in the cavity, and the pressure is not a true vacuum, but equal to the vapor pressure of the water. High-speed propellers are often designed to operate in a fully-cavitating (supercavitating) mode. A high speed supercavitating projectile, while moving in the forward direction, rotates inside the cavity. This rotation leads to a series of impacts between the projectile tail and the cavity wall. The impacts affect the trajectory as well as the stability of motion of the projectile. The present paper discusses the in-flight dynamics of such a projectile. Despite the impacts with the cavity wall, the projectile nearly follows a straight line path. The frequency of the impacts between the projectile tail and cavity boundary increases initially, reaches a maximum, and then decreases gradually. The frequency of impacts decreases with the projectile's moment of inertia.

Launched from any compatible 660mm torpedo tube, the TNM-16 is very much unlike the previous generation of supercavitating weapons, featuring an extensive guidance package, as well as highly effective manuverability. Using a combination of Active SONAR and Blue-Green LIDAR, and a revolutionary thrust-vectored design, Pirahna can effectively destroy any surface or submersible vessel that is likely to appear within the next two decades.
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Contractor: State Bureau of Naval Science

Type: Supercavitating Torpedo

Length: 28.5 ft

Diameter: 660mm

Weight: 6,950 lb

Range: Approx. 80 mi

Speed: 50 knots, accelerates to 500+ mph

Warhead: 420 lbs Octo-Nitro-Cubane (most powerful conventional explosive in the world)

Guidance: Passive/Active Acoustic, Blue-Green LIDAR in terminal phase

Ok Tyrandis, I'm going to remove the temporary status of my ignore and make it permanent because you are unwilling to allow my RPing of resources.

Ok Tyrandis, I'm going to remove the temporary status of my ignore and make it permanent because you are unwilling to allow my RPing of resources.
OOC: He has more reason to ignore you for godmodding. You can't just pull oil out of your ass when he blockades you. Read the stickies for God's sake. THey are there for a reason.

Ok Tyrandis, I'm going to remove the temporary status of my ignore and make it permanent because you are unwilling to allow my RPing of resources.

Fine then. You just proved to the entire NS world that you are a godmodding tard who ignores once someone calls you out on it.

Ok Tyrandis, I'm going to remove the temporary status of my ignore and make it permanent because you are unwilling to allow my RPing of resources.

OOC: Dangit, this isn't right.

Tyrandis, Kahta, calm down, there has to be a solution that is good for everybody. Has everybody forgot how to compromise?

C'mon, this is a game, both of you.

Exactly; come on. Work out your differences and not ruin the Rp for everyone else

OOC: Dangit, this isn't right.

Tyrandis, Kahta, calm down, there has to be a solution that is good for everybody. Has everybody forgot how to compromise?

C'mon, this is a game, both of you.

OOC:

Yes, this is a game, but it's not very fun when the other person decides to be a wanker and try to worm his way out of losses by claiming he has a resource pool when the RL geography of his nation does not.

OOC:

Yes, this is a game, but it's not very fun when the other person decides to be a wanker and try to worm his way out of losses by claiming he has a resource pool when the RL geography of his nation does not.

OOC: Perhaps he has a pipeline, or he has really sophisticated deep oil drilling, or he has coal-to-oil programs like South Africa, anyway, we must find a way for this RP to continue.

Just find a way to compromise. Not to sound like a mindless fool, but what we need is calm and colected heads that can work something out.

This goes to Kahta too, you know.

OOC:

Yes, this is a game, but it's not very fun when the other person decides to be a wanker and try to worm his way out of losses by claiming he has a resource pool when the RL geography of his nation does not.


When Parthia and I tried to dominate the oil market by my grabbing up Libya, Egypt, Angola, South Africa, and his taking most of the middle east, and trying to shut the Gulf, folks said, "This is NS, resources are not locked into a set RL geography."

Funny how that works, eh? We can't get it locked in when we want, but others can force us to lock it in when we don't want... hmmm

Fine then. You just proved to the entire NS world that you are a godmodding tard who ignores once someone calls you out on it.

No, you are trying to harm me ICly for OOC reasons.

OOC: He has more reason to ignore you for godmodding. You can't just pull oil out of your ass when he blockades you. Read the stickies for God's sake. THey are there for a reason.

OOC: I have always RPed that Kahta has oil.

http://eropid.kuattech.com/ka/

note the resources that are listed. I RPed the resource find last summer, and in the past, I have RPed selling surplus oil to DA when they were having a shortage.

No, you are trying to harm me ICly for OOC reasons.


I can swear to it that Kahta is correct here.

OOC:

Yes, this is a game, but it's not very fun when the other person decides to be a wanker and try to worm his way out of losses by claiming he has a resource pool when the RL geography of his nation does not.


NS is not RL, resources can be RPed an Earth DA, and I have always RPed Kahta as having oil.

OOC; now now children; lets not get catty.
Lets sort this out, somehow, reasonably! With no argument

OOC: I have always RPed that Kahta has oil.

http://eropid.kuattech.com/ka/

note the resources that are listed. I RPed the resource find last summer, and in the past, I have RPed selling surplus oil to DA when they were having a shortage.


Yes indeed, I remember that oil deal.

No, you are trying to harm me ICly for OOC reasons.

OOC:

I have more than enough reason to hate you OOC, but I already gave my IC reason, that my govt. wasn't happy with the situation with the Asian cars.

OOC: To be honest you're both borderline godmodding. I consider magically being able to produce every resource you could possibly need on home soil unlike any other nation in histroy godmodding. I also consider assuming that your uber t3h inviciblez0rz subz 0f d00m can kill anything that attacks and remain invicible and invincible and uber 1337 godmodding also.

OOC:

I have more than enough reason to hate you OOC, but I already gave my IC reason, that my govt. wasn't happy with the situation with the Asian cars.


Ooc- No government provokes a war over the banning of cars, that is the lamest reason I've ever heard of, and I've heard lots of lame reasons.

Ooc- No government provokes a war over the banning of cars, that is the lamest reason I've ever heard of, and I've heard lots of lame reasons.
OOC: The only reason he needs is that he considers Kahta a threat or even just doesnt like his nation. Attacking without much justification isnt godmodding...

Ooc- No government provokes a war over the banning of cars, that is the lamest reason I've ever heard of, and I've heard lots of lame reasons.

OOC:Plus, he might have wanted to go to war and you can't go to war because "Kahta is stoopid"

OMG: :eek:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363368&highlight=kahta

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364359&highlight=kahta

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You mean I was right?

OOC: To be honest you're both borderline godmodding. I consider magically being able to produce every resource you could possibly need on home soil unlike any other nation in histroy godmodding. I also consider assuming that your uber t3h inviciblez0rz subz 0f d00m can kill anything that attacks and remain invicible and invincible and uber 1337 godmodding also.

OOC: I was going to RP the detection and subsequent sinking of one of my subs by Kahta eventually, after/if he brought out destroyers/ASW ships/his own submarines.

Ooc- No government provokes a war over the banning of cars, that is the lamest reason I've ever heard of, and I've heard lots of lame reasons.

OOC: I did that....

NS is not RL, resources can be RPed an Earth DA, and I have always RPed Kahta as having oil.

OOC: You can RP oil production on your own territory, but to say that there is crude in CAPE COD of all places is ridiculous.

OOC: Tyrandis screw it, just accept the oil. Torp his platforms and the pipeline extending to them, their at sea and you got subs. Even with the oil though Kahta your economy will still be hurting.

EDIT: and I doubt thered be enough oil from the Cape of Cod to supply your whole nation.

OOC: The only reason he needs is that he considers Kahta a threat or even just doesnt like his nation. Attacking without much justification isnt godmodding...



Ooc-

Sevaris and his cronies have told me that their continued threat to close Gibraltar to strangle my trade between Mississippian Egypt and Mississippi, and my very real fear they will do it, is not enough IC justification to warrant my invading Gibraltar. They maintain unless they actually do close it, I can't do anything.

Nations often act pre-emptively when they know it's very likely something will be done to affect their trade, yes?

ooc: Kahta, for godsakes, DON'T.

Even I, (the biggest techwanking, numberwanking, resourcewanking jackassed whore on NS), don't do that.

OOC: Tyrandis screw it, just accept the oil. Torp his platforms and the pipeline extending to them, their at sea and you got subs. Even with the oil though Kahta your economy will still be hurting.

OOC: Yeah, you got a point there. I'll accept the whole "OIL IN CAPECOD LOL", but my boomers will be firing off a few SS-N-26s at em if I do recognize them.

OOC: DA, you can attack Sevaris if you want. However, you need to remember that people WILL respond, whether you like it or not.

Again, I will recognize oil production in Kahtan territory.

OOC: To be honest you're both borderline godmodding. I consider magically being able to produce every resource you could possibly need on home soil unlike any other nation in histroy godmodding. I also consider assuming that your uber t3h inviciblez0rz subz 0f d00m can kill anything that attacks and remain invicible and invincible and uber 1337 godmodding also.
OOC: Praetonia, being in the OMP, you ought to know about the RL SUBSAM and the fact that the canister variant can be launched and break the surface far from where it launched.

OOC: yay! We're back on; and just to make sure that Kahta has oil; DA's built a pipeline!

DA, unlike Sevaris most of NS doesnt play by your screwed up rules.

OOC: Praetonia, being in the OMP, you ought to know about the RL SUBSAM and the fact that the canister variant can be launched and break the surface far from where it launched.
I didnt actually mention the subsam at all...

DA, unlike Sevaris most of NS doesnt play by your screwed up rules.


I didnt actually mention the subsam at all...

OOC: Let's just cease this argument......it was finished a while ago, don't reopen the sores....

250 miles East of Gitmo
The sun rose in a beautiful tint of orange at precisely 7:05 a.m. Admiral Jacobson was glad that he could see it out of his private quarters on his flagship. He couldn't sit and enjoy it though, he thought as he got his attention back to his morning briefing.

“It appears there is trouble on this side of the globe sir,” said the J2 briefing officer.

“Yeah, the damn Cuban events down here,” responded Jacobson with a hint of impatience in his voice.

“No, sir,” began the J2. “North of us. It appears a few Kahtan ships were sunk by unknown forces. We are working to figure out who did it. The President has given you the authority to send ships or subs north to observe.”

“I'd rather not,” said the Admiral. “I suppose I can cut off a few dozen ships, but I want them here right now so long as Cuba is a problem. I'll dispatch a few long endurance UAVs to monitor, but I don't need another headache right now.”

3 hours later

The northernmost carrier in the group was the 25 year old Charles de Gaulle class CVN ISS Valiant. She had recently been refitted and her CO, a young recently promoted Rear Admiral named Isaac Sampson, was very proud of her. He had simple mission orders, send a pair of unarmed UAV's to check the waters from 50-250 miles out of Kahta. The intel found would likely never be used and never acted on, but orders were order.

At 11:15, the two small stealth UAVs were up. And heading for their destination. They would return to the carrier in 36 hours. Meanwhile, Sampson had to conduct air operations to train the pilots and keep them in good shape. Today, his air wing would make a mock attack on a destroyer squadron about 250 miles south of him. He was looking forward to that.

OOC: You can RP oil production on your own territory, but to say that there is crude in CAPE COD of all places is ridiculous.

How is it any more ridiculous than oil being found in the middle of a desert?

OOC: Any way I can help the Anti-Fabus forces.

How is it any more ridiculous than oil being found in the middle of a desert?

OOC: I already said I would recognize your domestic oil production, so let's just drop it, okay?

250 miles East of Gitmo
The sun rose in a beautiful tint of orange at precisely 7:05 a.m. Admiral Jacobson was glad that he could see it out of his private quarters on his flagship. He couldn't sit and enjoy it though, he thought as he got his attention back to his morning briefing.

“It appears there is trouble on this side of the globe sir,” said the J2 briefing officer.

“Yeah, the damn Cuban events down here,” responded Jacobson with a hint of impatience in his voice.

“No, sir,” began the J2. “North of us. It appears a few Kahtan ships were sunk by unknown forces. We are working to figure out who did it. The President has given you the authority to send ships or subs north to observe.”

“I'd rather not,” said the Admiral. “I suppose I can cut off a few dozen ships, but I want them here right now so long as Cuba is a problem. I'll dispatch a few long endurance UAVs to monitor, but I don't need another headache right now.”

3 hours later

The northernmost carrier in the group was the 25 year old Charles de Gaulle class CVN ISS Valiant. She had recently been refitted and her CO, a young recently promoted Rear Admiral named Isaac Sampson, was very proud of her. He had simple mission orders, send a pair of unarmed UAV's to check the waters from 50-250 miles out of Kahta. The intel found would likely never be used and never acted on, but orders were order.

At 11:15, the two small stealth UAVs were up. And heading for their destination. They would return to the carrier in 36 hours. Meanwhile, Sampson had to conduct air operations to train the pilots and keep them in good shape. Today, his air wing would make a mock attack on a destroyer squadron about 250 miles south of him. He was looking forward to that.

OOC: Am I responding to anything?

OOC: Am I responding to anything?
OOC: probably not, I just wanted to get an IC post. My fleet is currently engaged down in Bintoran Cuba. I just wanted to have a means of ICly finding out information since there are reports of lost ships.

OOC: Tyrandis screw it, just accept the oil. Torp his platforms and the pipeline extending to them, their at sea and you got subs. Even with the oil though Kahta your economy will still be hurting.

EDIT: and I doubt thered be enough oil from the Cape of Cod to supply your whole nation.

OOC: 1. Cape Code is a land mass. The pumping stations are all on land
2. it is not hurting, because we are going to import whatever we need through DA
3. This is NS, not RL.

OOC: Yeah, you got a point there. I'll accept the whole "OIL IN CAPECOD LOL", but my boomers will be firing off a few SS-N-26s at em if I do recognize them.

Nuke me, I nuke you.

A small carrier fleet stands 2,000mi from Kahta. On the John C. Handstand-Class carrier RNS John Lewis Farrget, a U-2S painted in a black color lies in the hanger bay. The aircraft, part of Real-Time Naval Intellegence(RTNI) is being prepare for a daylight watch of the Kahta oil platforms. The Commander of the fleet Adm. Jerry Thomas wants to start small, after successful watch of the offshore platforms. Then the U-2 will spy on the Kahta fleet. The fleet's destoyers, cruisers, subs, and aircraft watch for a contacts.

OOC: uh oh; we're getting into a M.A.D Situation

Nuke me, I nuke you.

SS-N-26 is an anti-shipping cruise missile, a very, VERY good one. Like I said previously, there will be no use of nuclear weapons due to the high probability of a RP ending in mass ignores/failure.

A small carrier fleet stands 2,000mi from Kahta. On the John C. Handstand-Class carrier RNS John Lewis Farrget, a U-2S painted in a black color lies in the hanger bay. The aircraft, part of Real-Time Naval Intellegence(RTNI) is being prepare for a daylight watch of the Kahta oil platforms. The Commander of the fleet Adm. Jerry Thomas wants to start small, after successful watch of the offshore platforms. Then the U-2 will spy on the Kahta fleet. The fleet's destoyers, cruisers, subs, and aircraft watch for a contacts.

OOC: The U-2 has a wingspan of 105 feet and requires a very large runway to take off.

SS-N-26 is an anti-shipping cruise missile, a very, VERY good one. Like I said previously, there will be no use of nuclear weapons due to the high probability of a RP ending in mass ignores/failure.

sorry, nevermind, I got confused with the designation of the N part.

Adm. Thomas decides instead of using the U-2, They will use the satillies. He then messages Naval Command about how a U-2 is supposed to take from a carrier. On the carrier, a unit goes over a mission plan. The men are told when they get orders from the RAAC, they will move.

sorry, nevermind, I got confused with the designation of the N part.
OOC: Understandable, when I first started studying Soviet missiles I thought the N was nuclear, but N tends to denote a Naval missile in Russia.

OOC: Everyone in NATO ICly knows that it's me causing the attacks, so you don't really need to investigate IDF.

IC:

International Waters
180 mi from Cape Cod
0700 hrs ZULU

There were great things to be said about missile submarines. Quieter than a sleeping whale, capable of operating behind enemy lines indefinitely, and extremely hard to track, boomers formed the backbone of the offensive component in the Tyrandisan Navy. Today, they would be attacking the Kahtan deep-sea drilling operations at Cape Cod. How in the world such... subhumans found the crude there was beside the point, as that depot would need to be destroyed for the ultimate success of the blockade. To this end, TSN Partisan (SSN) and TSN Krasny Oktyabr (SSBN) would be launching a coordinated cruise missile attack.

The pair of soundless hunters sped off from their previous course of two-two-zero and moved at a speed of eight knots, propelled by their titanium/tungsten screws. TCOMSUBLANT knew that the damned Kahtans had improved security measures, and no operational safety procedure was too extensive. At this slow rate, it took a few hours to reach their point of attack, but they had managed to avoid detection by sonobuoy. While most of the credit would go to the crews of the subs, it was important to note the contribution of Tyrandisan engineers, whose aerogel/anechoric tiling made the job a lot easier.

However, not the best system is perfect, and so it was with the submarines. They knew that they would probably be detected once they got within SS-N-26 Yakhont range, but at stake was the success or failure of the mission. Fortunately, the missiles were pretty fast, moving at a speed of just over Mach 3.2 when their RAMjets kicked in, at a height of 100 feet over the ocean. Oktyabr released its Barnacle-class UAV several hundred miles before, and used it to target her deadly weapons through use of a tiny laser-guidance beacon.

The submarines activated their Magenetic Hydro Dynamic drives once they were within 20,000 yards of their target, making them almost totally silent. The TSN Krasny Oktyabr loosed twenty two SS-N-26Cs from its VLS tubes beneath the water, but the noise was going to draw the unwelcome attention of Kahtan ASW. The missiles broke the waterline and shed their SuperCavitating shells before heading towards the Kahtan fuel depot, while the Pilum-class vessel sank back down into the water, trying to escape. The game was now one of hide-and-seek, and the men aboard the boomer had to flee from the fury of Kahtan ASW.

Krasny Oktyabr was running at a speed of 12 knots on a course of zero-niner-five, its MHD drive pushing out as much power as it could. It was a waste of fuel, but they had to get the hell out of there before the mission was compromised.

OOC: Ok Kahta, you now have the opportunity to hunt for my boomer. Use it well.

OOC: Cape cod is the arm of massachusetts, undernearth parts of the arm, and into the ocean on all sides, we slant drill for oil.

http://www.mass.gov/agr/mosquito/cape.gif

OOC: Admiral Jacobson knows what happened, but Rear Admiral Sampson doesn't and is just following orders. Jacobson just wants to monitor the situation since he has nothing else to do, but he doesn't want to send a ship out there.

OOC2: Your sub is named Krasny Oktyabr? Perfect name for it BTW. I'll send my regards to Captain Ramius.

OOC: Cape cod is the arm of massachusetts, undernearth parts of the arm, and into the ocean on all sides, we slant drill for oil.

http://www.mass.gov/agr/mosquito/cape.gif

OOC: Doh... I'll modify that attack to be against drills on the coast.

As soon as possible contact was made with the sub, dozens of aircraft took off to search the waters. They had passive and active sonobuoys, and the helicopters had lines to drop in. Also moving to the area were 2 Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, outfitted with depth charges, and torpedos.

Moving to the area:
15 P-3 Orions
10 SH-60's
10 S-3's

OOC: All are armed with maximum loadout of weapons and sensors, I would try to type this better, but I do not have as advanced knoledge of weapons systems.

OOC2: Your sub is named Krasny Oktyabr? Perfect name for it BTW. I'll send my regards to Captain Ramius.

OOC: Yeah, I'm a big fan of Clancy's, esp. his videogames. I have Ramius as the guy in charge of my submarine fleets in the Atlantic :D

As soon as possible contact was made with the sub, dozens of aircraft took off to search the waters. They had passive and active sonobuoys, and the helicopters had lines to drop in. Also moving to the area were 2 Arleigh Burke Class destroyers, outfitted with depth charges, and torpedos.

Moving to the area:
15 P-3 Orions
10 SH-60's
10 S-3's

OOC: All are armed with maximum loadout of weapons and sensors, I would try to type this better, but I do not have as advanced knoledge of weapons systems.

International Waters
206 mi from Cape Cod
0942 hrs ZULU

In every submariner's blood lies a fear of Anti-Submarine-Warfare helicopters. They were the only people who could really find the undersea warships, and a discovered submarine was a dead submarine. Perhaps even worse, the TSN Krasny Oktyabr couldn't run at full speed towards the newly constructed submarine pens at Maryland, for otherwise the covert Sevarian support would be unmasked and result in a war far too soon. Tyrandis was breaking international law with this little adventure, and she did not want to be outed until the time came for the real battle to begin.

And thus, a plan was made. The TSN Partisan, a Gladius-class SSN, would try and divert the attention of the Kahtan ASW crews, while the Krasny Oktyabr headed for the south, where friendly vessels of the IDF Navy operated. Once the Oktyabr was safe, Partisan would escape to the open Atlantic, where there was a near-infinite area to hide in. The SSBN's rudder shifted to the left several degrees, and so it began moving towards the Carribean Sea...

Aboard Partisan, which was running about fifty thousand yards behind Krasny Oktyabr, Capt. Vladimir Karishikov was busy issuing orders to his crew in preparation for the attack. Data from the Barnacle UAVs indicated that at least two dozen different aircraft were going to be trying to find him, as well as two destroyers, and that was just fine with him. He was a moderate communist who lusted since his birth to strike a blow against the enemies of the global proletariat. Despite his political views, the man was a perfect candidate for sub school. Smart, decisive, and likeable, Karishikov personally requested an assignment to the blockade.

"Contact," reported a sonarman, "I've got a few sonobuoys to our north, they look like they're operating on passive. There's more splashes on the surface, so I think there might be an Orion up there." Considering this, Karishikov contacted his weapons. "Ready VLS canisters one and two with Frost Arrow SUBSAMs." Within seconds, the hydraulic loading systems pushed the pair of IR guided missiles into the submarine's Vertical Launch tubes. After several minutes of positioning, the SSN loosed its SAMs as they broke the waterline. This accomplished two things. One, whatever was up there was going to die. Two, the Kahtans would now be searching for Partisan instead of the more vulnerable Oktyabr.

The crew of the TSN Partisan prepared themselves mentally and physically for the coming dangers, while the Krasny Oktyabr slid away beneath the isothermal layer to the south and sanctuary at a speed of just eight knots.

International Waters
206 mi from Cape Cod
0942 hrs ZULU

In every submariner's blood lies a fear of Anti-Submarine-Warfare helicopters. They were the only people who could really find the undersea warships, and a discovered submarine was a dead submarine. Perhaps even worse, the TSN Krasny Oktyabr couldn't run at full speed towards the newly constructed submarine pens at Maryland, for otherwise the covert Sevarian support would be unmasked and result in a war far too soon. Tyrandis was breaking international law with this little adventure, and she did not want to be outed until the time came for the real battle to begin.

And thus, a plan was made. The TSN Partisan, a Gladius-class SSN, would try and divert the attention of the Kahtan ASW crews, while the Krasny Oktyabr headed for the south, where friendly vessels of the IDF Navy operated. Once the Oktyabr was safe, Partisan would escape to the open Atlantic, where there was a near-infinite area to hide in. The SSBN's rudder shifted to the left several degrees, and so it began moving towards the Carribean Sea...

Aboard Partisan, which was running about fifty thousand yards behind Krasny Oktyabr, Capt. Vladimir Karishikov was busy issuing orders to his crew in preparation for the attack. Data from the Barnacle UAVs indicated that at least two dozen different aircraft were going to be trying to find him, as well as two destroyers, and that was just fine with him. He was a moderate communist who lusted since his birth to strike a blow against the enemies of the global proletariat. Despite his political views, the man was a perfect candidate for sub school. Smart, decisive, and likeable, Karishikov personally requested an assignment to the blockade.

"Contact," reported a sonarman, "I've got a few sonobuoys to our north, they look like they're operating on passive. There's more splashes on the surface, so I think there might be an Orion up there." Considering this, Karishikov contacted his weapons. "Ready VLS canisters one and two with Frost Arrow SUBSAMs." Within seconds, the hydraulic loading systems pushed the pair of IR guided missiles into the submarine's Vertical Launch tubes. After several minutes of positioning, the SSN loosed its SAMs as they broke the waterline. This accomplished two things. One, whatever was up there was going to die. Two, the Kahtans would now be searching for Partisan instead of the more vulnerable Oktyabr.

The crew of the TSN Partisan prepared themselves mentally and physically for the coming dangers, while the Krasny Oktyabr slid away beneath the isothermal layer to the south and sanctuary at a speed of just eight knots.


The capitans on board the submarines, were using hydrophones to communicate. Thats a bad choice Sgt. David Gratun thought to himself, on board his P-3, he was flying 3 miles behind two P-3's, at about 7,000 feet. Suddenly, two missiles flew into the air, but before he could make a call, they struck, destroying both P-3's. He knew exactly where the submarine was he saw the missiles come up, and reported the location to the weapons operator. The P-3 then shuddered, as it was slown down, and the clunk, as two torpedoes were dropped. The bearing, was directly to the spot where the missiles came from...

On board the radion, the location was broadcasted to 5 SH-60's, a much better ASW aircraft than a P-3.

OOC: The two aircraft suspected that something was in the area because the sonobuoys reported hearing, two sets of mating whales, a very remote possibilty. Knowing that the submarines had SAM's, one followed behind

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OOC: MHD sounds like mating sharks, not whales. That said, I'll respond. Since you didn't specify what type of ASW torps those are, I'll assume they're standard Mk. 50s that the U.S. Navy employs.

IC:

International Waters
248 mi from Cape Cod
1230 hrs ZULU

"LAUNCH TRANSIENT!" screamed a sonarman, "bearing one four seven, sounds like Mike Kilo five-zeros, blade count indicates fifty knots!" The reverberating ping of the Mark 50 torpedo's active SONAR guidance pounded the hull of the TSN Partisan mercilessly, unnerving the crewmen on board. As soon as the torpedoes hit the water, the Tyrandisan NASC-5 Active SONAR Countermeasure System started working, trying to confuse the seekers by sampling the emissions and then canceling them out, but it was useful only to a point. Even the best nautical combat system is not foolproof, and so it was with the NASC-5.

"Navigation, adjust diving planes twenty degrees. We've been found, get us underneath the layer!" shouted Karishikov as he tried to calm himself down. It was going to happen eventually, he told himself, For the sake of your men, get it together!. "Aye sir!" was the response from the noncom in command of those stations as the Gladius-class submarine started to make a rapid descent to the bottom.

"Countermeasures, now!" was the order over the intercom. The men in charge of that position were already at work, hustling 203mm TNM-28 Clownfish-class Anti-Torpedoes into the bays. The munitions were matched in a one to one ratio of the outdated Mark 50s, but they were far too close. While one was successful in intercepting the torpedo, causing an explosion that rocked the boat. The other one missed and went into the waters of the Atlantic. NASC-5 was still trying to match the Mk. 50 SONAR pings, but the speed of the Partisan was making it less effective than it should have been.

At the last moment, one final, desperate move was made. The SCKK-1 AHSUM 30mm SuperCavitating cannon system opened up like an undersea version of the Close-In-Weapons-Suite. The first volley of fire missed the Kahtan torpedo badly, but the second grazed it, and the third destroyed it. Unfortunately, this of little condolence; the Mk. 50 was simply too close. Although the ASW torpedo had a small warhead, the sheer proximity caused the explosion to rip through the anechoic tiling, and damaging the rudder considerably. Furthermore, the acoustic housing surrounding the propeller was trashed, but at least the screw itself was unharmed.

Captain Karishikov ordered a tentative damage report, while the SSN continued its descent underneath the isothermal layer. All men were ordered to their battle stations, as the sailors prepared themselves for the worst. Partisan limped away on a course of zero-niner-zero, at a speed of 15 knots, trying desperately to escape to the open waters of the Atlantic Ocean...

Meanwhile, to the south, the TSN Krasny Oktyabr had finally made it past Massachusetts. Within a few hours, they would be safe and sound, and ready to go back to work, sending more Kahtan shipping to the bottom of the sea.

OOC: MHD sounds like mating sharks, not whales. That said, I'll respond. Since you didn't specify what type of ASW torps those are, I'll assume they're standard Mk. 50s that the U.S. Navy employs.

IC:

International Waters
248 mi from Cape Cod
1230 hrs ZULU

"LAUNCH TRANSIENT!" screamed a sonarman, "bearing one four seven, sounds like Mike Kilo five-zeros, blade count indicates fifty knots!" The reverberating ping of the Mark 50 torpedo's active SONAR guidance pounded the hull of the TSN Partisan mercilessly, unnerving the crewmen on board. As soon as the torpedoes hit the water, the Tyrandisan NASC-5 Active SONAR Countermeasure System started working, trying to confuse the seekers by sampling the emissions and then canceling them out, but it was useful only to a point. Even the best nautical combat system is not foolproof, and so it was with the NASC-5.

"Navigation, adjust diving planes twenty degrees. We've been found, get us underneath the layer!" shouted Karishikov as he tried to calm himself down. It was going to happen eventually, he told himself, For the sake of your men, get it together!. "Aye sir!" was the response from the noncom in command of those stations as the Gladius-class submarine started to make a rapid descent to the bottom.

"Countermeasures, now!" was the order over the intercom. The men in charge of that position were already at work, hustling 203mm TNM-28 Clownfish-class Anti-Torpedoes into the bays. The munitions were matched in a one to one ratio of the outdated Mark 50s, but they were far too close. While one was successful in intercepting the torpedo, causing an explosion that rocked the boat. The other one missed and went into the waters of the Atlantic. NASC-5 was still trying to match the Mk. 50 SONAR pings, but the speed of the Partisan was making it less effective than it should have been.

At the last moment, one final, desperate move was made. The SCKK-1 AHSUM 30mm SuperCavitating cannon system opened up like an undersea version of the Close-In-Weapons-Suite. The first volley of fire missed the Kahtan torpedo badly, but the second grazed it, and the third destroyed it. Unfortunately, this of little condolence; the Mk. 50 was simply too close. Although the ASW torpedo had a small warhead, the sheer proximity caused the explosion to rip through the anechoic tiling, and damaging the rudder considerably. Furthermore, the acoustic housing surrounding the propeller was trashed, but at least the screw itself was unharmed.

Captain Karishikov ordered a tentative damage report, while the SSN continued its descent underneath the isothermal layer. All men were ordered to their battle stations, as the sailors prepared themselves for the worst. Partisan limped away on a course of zero-niner-zero, at a speed of 15 knots, trying desperately to escape to the open waters of the Atlantic Ocean...

Meanwhile, to the south, the TSN Krasny Oktyabr had finally made it past Massachusetts. Within a few hours, they would be safe and sound, and ready to go back to work, sending more Kahtan shipping to the bottom of the sea.

OOC: Yes, they are Mk-50's. Also, before I post, how clearly can the sub be heard, is the rudder, or anything else, making any noises from movement?

OOC: Yes, they are Mk-50's. Also, before I post, how clearly can the sub be heard, is the rudder, or anything else, making any noises from movement?

OOC: The submarine's rudder is damaged a bit, meaning it has reduced mobility, but it will remain pretty quiet, about as quiet as a modern Ohio-class SSBN despite the loss of a portion of anechoic tiling. Passive SONAR isn't going to help much, but MAD and other such ASW measures might be able to detect it. You'll have a record of where it was during the attack from the tapes of the SCKK-1 firing, but no idea where it is now.

The fleet moves to 750mi off the coast. The fleet was to wait for orders.

OOC: Tyrandis, do you want to go next? Or me?

OOC: Tyrandis, do you want to go next? Or me?

OOC: Go ahead.

The SH-60 was skimming the Oceans surface in a hope of finding something with its MAD, as it came to a locaiton, it detected something, the helicopter stopped over the area, and dropped a sonar line, and it could hear a submarine. The SH-60 then dropped 2 Mk-50's into the water...


OOC: I'm reallllly tired, and I'm sure my writing will demonstrate that, if its bad, don't respond, and I'll rewrite tommorow night. If you think this is a godmod, because tell me, and I will try to rewrite it.

The SH-60 was skimming the Oceans surface in a hope of finding something with its MAD, as it came to a locaiton, it detected something, the helicopter stopped over the area, and dropped a sonar line, and it could hear a submarine. The SH-60 then dropped 2 Mk-50's into the water...


OOC: I'm reallllly tired, and I'm sure my writing will demonstrate that, if its bad, don't respond, and I'll rewrite tommorow night. If you think this is a godmod, because tell me, and I will try to rewrite it.

OOC: Minor issue with MAD... you have to fly very low for it to work properly, within range of SUBSAM fire. As soon as its SONAR line hit the water, a pair of missiles would have been launched, way before SONAR operators could hear the noise from the sub's propeller...

Also, the Gladius-class is composed of a rubber/ceramic/titanium sandwich, meaning that MAD readings would be pretty darn faint.

The nuclear attack submarine Juneau prowled silently the waters of the North Atlantic, or as silently as a submarine was able. Maintaining a slow speed to reduce cavitation, the sub veered slightly east, turning toward Massachusetts. The vessesl was a hundred kilometers off the coast, well within international waters. The rendezvous point was about twenty kilometers out of Kahtan territorial waters, off of Conneticut. Captain Ronny Dickinson made a mental note to be extra careful once he approached the rendezvous.

OOC: Minor issue with MAD... you have to fly very low for it to work properly, within range of SUBSAM fire. As soon as its SONAR line hit the water, a pair of missiles would have been launched, way before SONAR operators could hear the noise from the sub's propeller...

Also, the Gladius-class is composed of a rubber/ceramic/titanium sandwich, meaning that MAD readings would be pretty darn faint.

OOC: Then how am I supposed to attack it? Also, I use passive sonar in my lines. And it would have heard missiles launching....

OOC: Then how am I supposed to attack it? Also, I use passive sonar in my lines. And it would have heard missiles launching....

OOC: Figure it out yourself. Remember that my submarine is cruising along pretty darn slowly (8 kts) to avoid detection, that will help.

I know you use passive SONAR, but the thing is, it takes some amount of time to find the submarine. Not only that, Partisan is under the layer right now.

OOC: Figure it out yourself. Remember that my submarine is cruising along pretty darn slowly (8 kts) to avoid detection, that will help.

I know you use passive SONAR, but the thing is, it takes some amount of time to find the submarine. Not only that, Partisan is under the layer right now.

OOC: No, this is a case of technology wanking, and borderline godmodding, you had your submarine get "damaged" by an explosion, and a few tiles fell off. Whoopty-fucking-do.

OOC: No, this is a case of technology wanking, and borderline godmodding, you had your submarine get "damaged" by an explosion, and a few tiles fell off. Whoopty-fucking-do.

OOC: Anechoic tiles fell off, meaning active SONAR would then be able to detect the thing, understand now? Furthermore, I was going to say that six sailors were knocked unconscious by the blast later on.

Look, the trick to beating submarines is to send your own faster surface vessels to create a barrier of sonobuoy/ASW patrols within a small radius, then slowly tighten the noose until you've got a good chance of destroying the thing.

OOC: Anechoic tiles fell off, meaning active SONAR would then be able to detect the thing, understand now? Furthermore, I was going to say that six sailors were knocked unconscious by the blast later on.

Look, the trick to beating submarines is to send your own faster surface vessels to create a barrier of sonobuoy/ASW patrols within a small radius, then slowly tighten the noose until you've got a good chance of destroying the thing.

OOC: Thanks, I'm sorry for acting so noobish, but I like ground technology more.

IC: The SH-60 stopped, its MAD detector had picked something up very small, put they were pursuing a submarine, the passive sonar line, was dropped into the water, but nothing was heard. The helicopter reported the location to the fleet commander, who desired killing a submarine, for its attacks on civillians. The Admiral ordered 12 Ticonderoga class Cruisers into the area to search for a possible contact...

OOC: Sorry about not being on for awhile, I had finals to deal with. I'll make an IC post later.

ISS Ozzie Guillen, off of the Cuban coast

Admiral Jacobson was now commanding the largest fleet he had ever commanded. For the mission, it was overload. TIOR and other allies had further added to the mission. Some ships had to be cut away for real missions.

He knew that a Tyrandis sub was running south from the Kahtan coast. She was likely being pursued and would likely be killed. He decided that he could cut lose DESRON 14 from the 2nd fleet in the North.

The order went out an hour later that the DESRON containing, 2 Meirs, 3 Farragats, 3 Meirs, and the 1 LONGHAUL logistical ship attached to them. 2 Halibut class SSNs from SUBRON 3 were cut lose to lead the DESRON.

Jacobson made it clear to Rear Admiral Jim Lyons that he was to make sure that the Red October survived. He kept back his knowledge of the sub's activities from Lyons though. Some information just couldn't be disclosed.

1 hour after orders were given, the DDGs lined up for refueling and then ran at flank speed North at 31 knots. The SSNs were sprinting and drifting north,

OOC: Sorry about not being on for awhile, I had finals to deal with. I'll make an IC post later.

OOC: Ok

TSN Krasny Oktyabr

The skipper onboard the Red October was impatient; he wanted to get the hell out of Dodge City, and fast. Although he would attract the attention of the Kahtan ASW patrols, the order was given to disregard the MHD drive and initiate a reactor move at 60% capacity. The big Pilum-class SSBN started cavitating, hoping to get to the safe harbor near the IDF navy positions before the Kahtans caught up.

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International Waters
320 mi from Kahtan shores
300 hrs ZULU

Captain Vladimir Karishikov was setting his submarine on a course of one-two-one, trying his damnedest to save his boat and his men from the coming storm of the Kahtan navy.

"Captain, we've got a damage report." said a senior noncom, his hands shaking as he held the paper. "The most serious concern is of fires breaking out near the aft section, where that damn Mike Fifty hit us. The explosion knocked out sailors Carter, William, Percy, Benjamin, and Joshua. All of them are expected to make a full recovery, but Midshipman Joshua isn't doing so well. The doc said it'll be at least a week before he recovers. As for secondary damage, that torp blew apart our acoustic housing. The propellers are fine, just a few scratches, but we've lost about 30% of our sound-reduction capability. That SH-60 we heard a while ago sent a shitload of cruisers at us. Signatures indicate all are of Ticonderoga-class origin."

Karishikov thought carefully. The Ticonderoga destroyer sucked in an ASW capacity; after all, it was supposed to be guided missile cruiser at the outset. The sonarmen told him that there were almost twenty of the blasted things, and they couldn't find their speed from blade count. His situation was absolutely hopeless; the reactor was fine, his weapons were fine, but he couldn't just hide back into the depths since he was being pursued by too many ships. And that was lethal to any good submariner.

"Men." said the Captain over the intercom, "We are initiating Plan Yankee-Delta." A collective chill settled across the interior of the submarine as the impact of the words were felt; it meant that all the men onboard just died. The catepillar drive was deactivated, and the main reactor was set to 80% output. The TSN Partisan was cavitating, and such an inviting target would send the Kahtans hurling towards them, lusting to avenge the dead ships that littered their coastline.

As soon as a firing solution could be brought up against the Ticonderogas, it was done. Marked Charlie 1 through 6, the Partisan's six 660mm torpedo tubes were flooded with TNM-16 Pirahna SCTs. They were the trump card that Karishikov held; and so he played it. The munitions took off at a speed of 50 knots, exiting the tube, before the water RAMjet activated. It propelled over 420 tons of Octa-Nitro-Cubane at a speed of 500 mph into the Kahtan cruisers, impervious to virtually any defense.

After this attack was carried out, the remaining Mk. 56 MADCAPs were cooked off, inside the Gladius-class submarine. The sailors onboard were given five minutes to say their last words, then the Partisan imploded, shockwaves rippling through the Atlantic Ocean.
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6 Cruisers were hit, and they were given very little warning, as the other 14 scrambled to battle stations, a massive blast was heard, and then a plume of water, alomst 100 feet high shot into the water. Afterwards, some personal items started floating to the surface, and it was clear that the submarine was destroyed. What the items did reveal however, was that the submarine was from Tyrandis.

IC:

To: Tyrandis
From: Czar Sam Fabus

Pay reparations or else.

Czar Sam Fabus



OOC: This isn't a godmod is it? Typically when a submarine is destroyed, stuff floats to the surface.

Rear Admiral Lyons was commanding his DESRON from his flagship, the 3 month old Meir class DDG ISS Illustrious. He had his force put up the rotary UAVs along with some of his LAMPS III ASW choppers to hear for the Red October. He knew he had a mission to keep her safe.

His forward most SH-60 had her dipping SONAR down when the passive picked up heavy cavitation noises. This was quickly reported over secure circuits to Lyons. It was apparent that the CO of the Red October was putting himself in danger and making himself heard to all who were listening. It was likely she was being followed.

Lyons talked over secure Radio with the various CO's of the ships under his command. It was decided that they'd sound General Quarters as soon as any indications of hostile intentions were made towards the Red October.

The captain of the Juneau peered through his telescope.

"Looks like they've hit more cruisers," he said, though it was hard to tell from this distances. The Juneau had to stay far away, lest they alert the Kahtan navy to their presence. It was their turn patrolling the rendezvous point. Three other submarines were there, and two more on the way. The Ninth Fleet was headed here as well, for training excersises. All in all, it would be a pretty interesting situation.

6 Cruisers were hit, and they were given very little warning, as the other 14 scrambled to battle stations, a massive blast was heard, and then a plume of water, alomst 100 feet high shot into the water. Afterwards, some personal items started floating to the surface, and it was clear that the submarine was destroyed. What the items did reveal however, was that the submarine was from Tyrandis.

IC:

To: Tyrandis
From: Czar Sam Fabus

Pay reparations or else.

Czar Sam Fabus



OOC: This isn't a godmod is it? Typically when a submarine is destroyed, stuff floats to the surface.

OOC: Stuff does float to the surface, but I cooked off the torpedoes in the submarine, meaning that you'd end up with near-unrecognizable debris. It would take some time to gather the stuff up, then analyze, and I made sure to leave as little trace of government influence as possible. Hell, the submarine parts don't even read "Property of Tyrandis". A good majority of the wreckage would be left at the bottom of the sea.

OOC: Stuff does float to the surface, but I cooked off the torpedoes in the submarine, meaning that you'd end up with near-unrecognizable debris. It would take some time to gather the stuff up, then analyze, and I made sure to leave as little trace of government influence as possible. Hell, the submarine parts don't even read "Property of Tyrandis". A good majority of the wreckage would be left at the bottom of the sea.


OOC: Pretend I posted that tommorow morning after analyzing the evidence.

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"I demand an explanation, what exactly are you accusing the Militant Imperium of? If it is tribute you want, know that we will spend trillions to defend ourselves, but not one penny for appeasement. I suppose this is related to your misfortunes with your shipping, but it is no excuse to extort money from sovereign nations. We will pay no such bribe under any circumstances.

Furthermore, army bases in Sevarian territory have been ordered to full alert. If you continue in this foolish path of action, Tyrandis will respond with all out war. The choice between peace and war is yours, you piece of white trash, but know that the armed services of my nation will leave no man, woman or child alive if this matter comes to blows."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

OOC: Yeah, you didn't mention anything in your original ultimatum. Also, how are you tracing this to me? I sell my arms to more than a few nations you know. How do you know that it's not one of them? After all, you did make quite a few enemies with your Asian mess...

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"I demand an explanation, what exactly are you accusing the Militant Imperium of? If it is tribute you want, know that we will spend trillions to defend ourselves, but not one penny for appeasement. I suppose this is related to your misfortunes with your shipping, but it is no excuse to extort money from sovereign nations. We will pay no such bribe under any circumstances.

Furthermore, army bases in Sevarian territory have been ordered to full alert. If you continue in this foolish path of action, Tyrandis will respond with all out war. The choice between peace and war is yours, you piece of white trash, but know that the armed services of my nation will leave no man, woman or child alive if this matter comes to blows."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

OOC: Yeah, you didn't mention anything in your original ultimatum. Also, how are you tracing this to me? I sell my arms to more than a few nations you know. How do you know that it's not one of them? After all, you did make quite a few enemies with your Asian mess...

Today a submarine committed suicide after destroying six of my ships. Some debris from this submarine surfaced, and after careful examination of the papers, which were mostly heavily damaged, the submarine was determined to be from Tyrandis.

Furthermore, if you use military bases in Sevaris to attack Kahta, I will consider it a declaration of war from Sevaris, and Tyrandis. I am going to set a 72 hour deadline for you to pay the cost of damage to my economy from this blockade, and the cost of this whole affair. If you do not pay, I will undertake offensive military action against any of your assets in Sevarisian territory.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: He added 1 and 1 together... Sevaris gives you military bases, and Sevaris is always trying to harm Kahta (Sam's IC view). He's using the slightest thread of evidence as an excuse for war with Sevaris.

Today a submarine committed suicide after destroying six of my ships. Some debris from this submarine surfaced, and after careful examination of the papers, which were mostly heavily damaged, the submarine was determined to be from Tyrandis.

Furthermore, if you use military bases in Sevaris to attack Kahta, I will consider it a declaration of war from Sevaris, and Tyrandis. I am going to set a 72 hour deadline for you to pay the cost of damage to my economy from this blockade, and the cost of this whole affair. If you do not pay, I will undertake offensive military action against any of your assets in Sevarisian territory.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: He added 1 and 1 together... Sevaris gives you military bases, and Sevaris is always trying to harm Kahta (Sam's IC view). He's using the slightest thread of evidence as an excuse for war with Sevaris.

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The submarine may have been of Tyrandisan manufacture, but how would you think that we are the ones behind this mess? The Militant Imperium sells arms and other equipment to a multitude of nations, many of whom despise your continued existence. While I will not hide the fact that Tyrandis would not shed tears if your nation were wiped off the face of the earth, I refuse to admit to an action that we had no participation in.

Again, my stand on this affair is clear; THERE WILL BE NO PAYMENT OF TRIBUTE TO KAHTA UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I repeat my previous statement: The decision for peace or conflict lies solely in your hands. If you insist on demanding monies from our nation, we will respond with war."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

Secret IC:
All bases and emplacements within Sevarian territory have been alerted to DEFCON 1. Mainland military forces have been mobilized to DEFCON 2.

Read Admiral Lyons was sweating it out on his bridge. The Red October was running too loudly for his liking. She was still 220 miles away from him and running at flank speed. It was only a matter of time before Kahtan Navy heard her. Lyons had orders to make sure that if heard, that no one would kill the sub.

Lyons was simply following orders. Admiral Jacobson held back the information about the true activities of the sub from him. Either way, the SH-60s were flying to help cover the sub.

The bridge of the ISS Illustrious was smaller than he was used to, but that was because automation and the transfer of duties to the CIC had meant a larger bridge wasn't needed. Besides, the inward sloping superstructure that gave a small RCS, but with it a smaller bridge. Lyons didn't like the idea of being stuck on the small bridge, but the practical stealthy design was superior to any creature comforts he was missing as he sat on his leather chair looking out on the horizon as the Ship Control Officer drove the ship quickly on a northerly course to meet the SSGN.

Read Admiral Lyons was sweating it out on his bridge. The Red October was running too loudly for his liking. She was still 220 miles away from him and running at flank speed. It was only a matter of time before Kahtan Navy heard her. Lyons had orders to make sure that if heard, that no one would kill the sub.

Lyons was simply following orders. Admiral Jacobson held back the information about the true activities of the sub from him. Either way, the SH-60s were flying to help cover the sub.

The bridge of the ISS Illustrious was smaller than he was used to, but that was because automation and the transfer of duties to the CIC had meant a larger bridge wasn't needed. Besides, the inward sloping superstructure that gave a small RCS, but with it a smaller bridge. Lyons didn't like the idea of being stuck on the small bridge, but the practical stealthy design was superior to any creature comforts he was missing as he sat on his leather chair looking out on the horizon as the Ship Control Officer drove the ship quickly on a northerly course to meet the SSGN.


OOC: Do I need to respond?

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The submarine may have been of Tyrandisan manufacture, but how would you think that we are the ones behind this mess? The Militant Imperium sells arms and other equipment to a multitude of nations, many of whom despise your continued existence. While I will not hide the fact that Tyrandis would not shed tears if your nation were wiped off the face of the earth, I refuse to admit to an action that we had no participation in.

Again, my stand on this affair is clear; THERE WILL BE NO PAYMENT OF TRIBUTE TO KAHTA UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I repeat my previous statement: The decision for peace or conflict lies solely in your hands. If you insist on demanding monies from our nation, we will respond with war."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium


Pay the Reparations, you now have 48 hours. If you do not give us reparations, we will select a neighbor to take money from. This will be Sevaris or The Canadian Union. Regardless, I want your military bases removed from the soil of Kahta's neighbors.

Czar Sam Fabus

Secret IC: The reserves have been called up, all units are to report to "OPERATION WHORE REMOVAL" positions. Units at the Kahta-Sevaris border are to fire at will on any sighted enemy units.

OOC: Do I need to respond?
OOC: You don't have to respond. I guess the sub is probably getting away at this time. It's just building suspense as Krazny Oktobre escapes.

Pay the Reparations, you now have 48 hours. If you do not give us reparations, we will select a neighbor to take money from. This will be Sevaris or The Canadian Union. Regardless, I want your military bases removed from the soil of Kahta's neighbors.

Czar Sam Fabus

Secret IC: The reserves have been called up, all units are to report to "OPERATION WHORE REMOVAL" positions. Units at the Kahta-Sevaris border are to fire at will on any sighted enemy units.

Sevaris sees no reason to remove Tyrandisian bases from our soil. They are a part of our defence strategy.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim

Sevaris sees no reason to remove Tyrandisian bases from our soil. They are a part of our defence strategy.

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim

Remove them. Or else.

Czar Sam Fabus

Remove them. Or else.

Czar Sam Fabus

SECRET IC TO SEVARIS:

If the nation of Kahta threatens you, I offer my services to the nation of Sevaris, your Highness.....we have had an outstanding Jihad against him for a long time, and it is time to collect.

Kimiko Ayasugi
Shogun
The Real ALM

Threats against Sevaris should not be made lightly. Attacks against Sevaris will force our hand, and thereby our war machine, into action against Kahta. This is your only warning.

Foreign Minister A. Schützer

Telegram to Kahta

Although we have no love of Sevaris, we will not permit you to interfere with
their internal defence policies in this way. Any attack against Sevaris will be
interpretted as an act of war against the Imperium.

"If any nation persists in attempts to harm Kahta in any way, shape, or form, we will not hesitate to intervene. We will certainly not shy from using force and mobilizing our allies to help the Fabus family in Kahta."


Czar Roger Fabus

Threats against Sevaris should not be made lightly. Attacks against Sevaris will force our hand, and thereby our war machine, into action against Kahta. This is your only warning.

Foreign Minister A. Schützer


God informed me that Sevaris is to be added to the realm of Kahta, those that oppose the invasion will face eternal hell. This is your warning.

Czar Sam Fabus

Telegram to Kahta

Although we have no love of Sevaris, we will not permit you to interfere with
their internal defence policies in this way. Any attack against Sevaris will be
interpretted as an act of war against the Imperium.


I interpret this as you simply don't like Kahta, and you seek to look for any excuse to harm us.

Czar Sam Fabus

I am going to give Tyrandis a final 24 hours to remove their military forces from Sevaris. I am going to give Sevaris 24 hours to make Tyrandis leave.

Czar Sam Fabus

ANY incursion whatsoever by hostile Kahtan troops into Sevarian, Tyrandian, or other allied nations' sovereign terrirotry will immediately be met with full and complete retaliatory force by armed units of the Samtonian military.

We warn you, go cower back in your nation and stop deigning to think yourself better then other nations. Go and rot along with your people in the hellhole known as "Kahta", you pathetic excuse for a leader. And quit trying to scare nations who, if you had any intelligence whatsoever, you would indeed be scared of.

Tread lightly, you scum of the Earth. Samtonia's watching. And so are our guns.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

God informed me that Sevaris is to be added to the realm of Kahta, those that oppose the invasion will face eternal hell. This is your warning.

Czar Sam Fabus

It strikes me as interesting that whenever the Fabus family needs justification for their actions, they say that it is God's will. I find your obscene corruption of the Church an affront to all true Christians.

James Samson
Archbishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malkyer

ANY incursion whatsoever by hostile Kahtan troops into Sevarian, Tyrandian, or other allied nations' sovereign terrirotry will immediately be met with full and complete retaliatory force by armed units of the Samtonian military.

We warn you, go cower back in your nation and stop deigning to think yourself better then other nations. Go and rot along with your people in the hellhole known as "Kahta", you pathetic excuse for a leader. And quit trying to scare nations who, if you had any intelligence whatsoever, you would indeed be scared of.

Tread lightly, you scum of the Earth. Samtonia's watching. And so are our guns.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

You won't be able to respond quickly enough. I have no need to be scared of Sevaris.

Czar Sam Fabus

It strikes me as interesting that whenever the Fabus family needs justification for their actions, they say that it is God's will. I find your obscene corruption of the Church an affront to all true Christians.

James Samson
Archbishop, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malkyer


God has told me that He sanctions the Fabus family as The Family through which he speaks his words, and that those who oppose The Fabus family will rest in eternal hell.

Czar Sam Fabus

"PARTY IN CIRCLE 5 OF HELL! I'M BRINGING THE BEER!"-The Great Leader Li.

Message #2: "Seriously Sam, fucking step off Sevaris will ya'? You will NEVER fuck Yuna Mannerheim, got that? Quit thinking about it, and go back to screwing your redneck, inbred bitch of a wife Victoria."-The Great Leader Li.

"PARTY IN CIRCLE 5 OF HELL! I'M BRINGING THE BEER!"-The Great Leader Li.

Message #2: "Seriously Sam, fucking step off Sevaris will ya'? You will NEVER fuck Yuna Mannerheim, got that? Quit thinking about it, and go back to screwing your redneck, inbred bitch of a wife Victoria."-The Great Leader Li.

Get some morals, and by the way, I'm not a redneck, and my wife is not an inbred. And, fuck you slit-eyes.

Czar Sam Fabus

You won't be able to respond quickly enough. I have no need to be scared of Sevaris.

Czar Sam Fabus
Oh, really? I think we will be able to respond quickly enough. Your capital is located in the NE of the continental US. Seeing as how we're located........directly across the Caribbean Sea, right off of the northern coast of South America, I'd say we'll have ample response time.

Hypersoar bombers could be pounding you from overhead in about 30 minutes after the order is given. Standard high-altitude bombers, another 20 minutes after that. Carrier-based aircraft would be within range in two and one half hours and Samtonian ships would begin bombardment of your coast about four or five hours after hostilities commenced.

Think you can try to fascistly commit aggression against allies of Samtonia while trying to fend off Samtonain assault ships smashing onto your beaches? Think you can conquer cities in Sevaris while Samtonian Air Motor Battalions land a few miles outside your major cities? Think you can destroy Tryandisian military bses while Samtonian octol rains down on your civilians?

Persist in your current course and you'll learn exactly what octol, napalm-8, and vaporous thermite do to human flesh. And as your nation lies a burning wasteland, you'll realize what a fool you really are. So, last chance. Samtonian ships are already prepared for an amphibious invasion somewhere else in the Caribbean. They now have ample time to set their sights for Kahta. Are you prepared? Think you can hold up to a foe who doesn't roll over immediately? Ready to see your cities burning, your civilians charred piles of ash? Can you handle this?

I think not.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

Oh, really? I think we will be able to respond quickly enough. Your capital is located in the NE of the continental US. Seeing as how we're located........directly across the Caribbean Sea, right off of the northern coast of South America, I'd say we'll have ample response time.

Hypersoar bombers could be pounding you from overhead in about 30 minutes after the order is given. Standard high-altitude bombers, another 20 minutes after that. Carrier-based aircraft would be within range in two and one half hours and Samtonian ships would begin bombardment of your coast about four or five hours after hostilities commenced.

Think you can try to fascistly commit aggression against allies of Samtonia while trying to fend off Samtonain assault ships smashing onto your beaches? Think you can conquer cities in Sevaris while Samtonian Air Motor Battalions land a few miles outside your major cities? Think you can destroy Tryandisian military bses while Samtonian octol rains down on your civilians?

Persist in your current course and you'll learn exactly what octol, napalm-8, and vaporous thermite do to human flesh. And as your nation lies a burning wasteland, you'll realize what a fool you really are. So, last chance. Samtonian ships are already prepared for an amphibious invasion somewhere else in the Caribbean. They now have ample time to set their sights for Kahta. Are you prepared? Think you can hold up to a foe who doesn't roll over immediately? Ready to see your cities burning, your civilians charred piles of ash? Can you handle this?

I think not.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

SECRET IC:

Minister X, it is good that you wish to put Fabus in his place. We have had contingency plans and an outstanding Jihad versus him for some time.....perhaps we can join in an alliance to help crush him?

If you wish, you may send a man to our Charlie Site in Europe and Eurasia, to coordinate plans.

Kimiko Ayasugi
Shogun
The Real ALM

Our stance does not change, Fabus. Try it on with Sevaris and you will watch your cities burn and your people be exterminated. No ally of ours has ever been left undefended, and we do not propose to let this one fall. Back down, stop waving your blustering war-flag (which, by the way, can't be supported by your military) and go back to your sister/wife.

Public IC:

If any nation is to attack Kahta, they will also find themselves fighting the Moronyicka Royal Military.

--~King Jedo~




Secret IC:

To: Czar Sam Fabus

We have mobilized the Tango Assault Fleet and will be deploying it off the coast of North America. We stand ready to assist you.

--~King Jedo~

I interpret this as you simply don't like Kahta, and you seek to look for any excuse to harm us.

Czar Sam Fabus
Telegram to Kahta
Imperial Ministry of Defence and Military Procurement

The Democratic Imperium does not, unlike the juvenile rulers of certain other
nations, "dislike" any nation. We do, however, see Kahta as both a threat to our
national security and to that of the world. You may interpret our statements
however you like, but that does not change the fact that military deployments
in defence of Kahta are under strong consideration.

To: Czar Sam Fabus

We have mobilized the Tango Assault Fleet and will be deploying it off the coast of North America. We stand ready to assist you.

--~King Jedo~

Secret IC Reply:

To: King Jedo


Thank you for your support, please send those units to block access to the Chesepeake Bay area.

Czar Sam Fabus

Oh, really? I think we will be able to respond quickly enough. Your capital is located in the NE of the continental US. Seeing as how we're located........directly across the Caribbean Sea, right off of the northern coast of South America, I'd say we'll have ample response time.

Hypersoar bombers could be pounding you from overhead in about 30 minutes after the order is given. Standard high-altitude bombers, another 20 minutes after that. Carrier-based aircraft would be within range in two and one half hours and Samtonian ships would begin bombardment of your coast about four or five hours after hostilities commenced.

Think you can try to fascistly commit aggression against allies of Samtonia while trying to fend off Samtonain assault ships smashing onto your beaches? Think you can conquer cities in Sevaris while Samtonian Air Motor Battalions land a few miles outside your major cities? Think you can destroy Tryandisian military bses while Samtonian octol rains down on your civilians?

Persist in your current course and you'll learn exactly what octol, napalm-8, and vaporous thermite do to human flesh. And as your nation lies a burning wasteland, you'll realize what a fool you really are. So, last chance. Samtonian ships are already prepared for an amphibious invasion somewhere else in the Caribbean. They now have ample time to set their sights for Kahta. Are you prepared? Think you can hold up to a foe who doesn't roll over immediately? Ready to see your cities burning, your civilians charred piles of ash? Can you handle this?

I think not.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen


If my cities are destroyed, I will respond in turn against yours in a way which destroys them very quickly. I will deploy all forces needed to defend Kahta, including 50 CVNBG's, over 15,000 aircraft, and over 1,000 divisions. Anyone that invades Kahta will face the wrath of civillians armed with RPG's.

Czar Sam Fabus

If my cities are destroyed, I will respond in turn against yours in a way which destroys them very quickly. I will deploy all forces needed to defend Kahta, including 50 CVNBG's, over 15,000 aircraft, and over 1,000 divisions. Anyone that invades Kahta will face the wrath of civillians armed with RPG's.

Czar Sam Fabus
You just don't get it, you pitiful man, do you?

We're not going to take land. We're not going to capture cities. We're not going to enslave your people. We aren't even going to garrison your cities if we invade. We'll raze them to the ground.

We'll bombard you from afar with vaporous thermite. We'll let our artillery divisions let loose with thunderous barrages of high explosives. We'll send high altitude bombers to rain down munitions upon you.

If Samtonia marches for war, we take no prisoners. We help no wounded. We spare no women or childrne. We will destroy anything that is alive in Kahta. And there's nothing you've got in your pitiful army that will be able to stop us.

Mark my words, one last time. If you declare war on Tyrandis or Sevaris and unlawfully invade their nations, we will raze your miserable excuse of a nation to the ground. and nothing will be left alive in the path we leave. Are you prepared to fight for your very existance Fabus? We here in Samtonia don't think you are.

And 15,000 planes? Pah. Try to stop artillery shells with them. For that matter, try to keep them in the air long enough to do something.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen

You just don't get it, you pitiful man, do you?

We're not going to take land. We're not going to capture cities. We're not going to enslave your people. We aren't even going to garrison your cities if we invade. We'll raze them to the ground.

We'll bombard you from afar with vaporous thermite. We'll let our artillery divisions let loose with thunderous barrages of high explosives. We'll send high altitude bombers to rain down munitions upon you.

If Samtonia marches for war, we take no prisoners. We help no wounded. We spare no women or childrne. We will destroy anything that is alive in Kahta. And there's nothing you've got in your pitiful army that will be able to stop us.

Mark my words, one last time. If you declare war on Tyrandis or Sevaris and unlawfully invade their nations, we will raze your miserable excuse of a nation to the ground. and nothing will be left alive in the path we leave. Are you prepared to fight for your very existance Fabus? We here in Samtonia don't think you are.

And 15,000 planes? Pah. Try to stop artillery shells with them. For that matter, try to keep them in the air long enough to do something.

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Minister X, Leader of Samtonian Council of Thirteen


Very well, if we go to war, I will unleash my entire arsenal of ICBM's at you. At once.

Czar Sam Fabus

Very well, if we go to war, I will unleash my entire arsenal of ICBM's at you. At once.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Kahta, in past events you have launched hundreds of thousands of nuclear weapons without bothering to explain how your nation would survive the resulting destruction of the earth. Not only that, you have also failed to explain how you can afford such a massive strategic reserves and still have a viable conventional army, not to mention the quantities of uranium/plutonium involved.

To avoid the event of mass IGNOREs, I request that you detail your nuclear arsenal. Please note that I will not recognize ridiculously large amounts, i.e; 100,000 ICBMs.

For reference, I have roughly 50,000 warheads in some 18,000 missiles of varying types.

OOC: You're just encouraging a rather large group of very pissed off nations to blast you from the face of the earth. You do know that, I take it?

OOC: Kahta, in past events you have launched hundreds of thousands of nuclear weapons without bothering to explain how your nation would survive the resulting destruction of the earth. Not only that, you have also failed to explain how you can afford such a massive strategic reserves and still have a viable conventional army, not to mention the quantities of uranium/plutonium involved.

To avoid the event of mass IGNOREs, I request that you detail your nuclear arsenal. Please note that I will not recognize ridiculously large amounts, i.e; 100,000 ICBMs.

For reference, I have roughly 50,000 warheads in some 18,000 missiles of varying types.

OOC:

1. I have explained this already. I have explained that as a nation of 3 billion people, I can have this many as a proportion to my population.
2. See #1
3. I, like all other people do something called "making" them, everyone's country has resources.
4. I have 100,000 total platforms, 50,000 ICBM's, 45,000 missiles of various types to be air launched, and 5,000 SLBMS.

Hope this helps.

OOC: You're just encouraging a rather large group of very pissed off nations to blast you from the face of the earth. You do know that, I take it?

OOC: Kahta will be able to rebuild in time...

OOC: Well, fair enough.

OOC:

1. I have explained this already. I have explained that as a nation of 3 billion people, I can have this many as a proportion to my population.
2. See #1
3. I, like all other people do something called "making" them, everyone's country has resources.
4. I have 100,000 total platforms, 50,000 ICBM's, 45,000 missiles of various types to be air launched, and 5,000 SLBMS.

Hope this helps.

OOC:
1. Ok, you can possess them, but you simply cannot launch them off all at once. The resulting fireball would engulf the entire Earth, including your own nation.

2. Again, you can have the nukes, but the upkeep costs would force your army to operate at roughly 45% efficiency, and that's a very generous number. Look at it this way, I spend over twice as much as you do on defense (according to Thirdgeek), but even so, my own conventional force can only use 85% of the funds, and I have just a fraction of your arsenal.

3. Yes, every country has resources, but the amounts of plutonium/uranium involved is way too much for any nation, no matter how large it may be.

Also keep in mind the fact I have some one hundred and fifty submarines camped out next to your coast, meaning you aren't getting any resources in until you deal with them.

4. Alright, I will recognize them, but I'm assuming none of those nukes are MIRVs...

OOC: Kahta will be able to rebuild in time...
[OOC- Ummmm......no. If you decided to launch everything you had, there would be no Earth. At all. We'd go flying off into the sun or something equally scary. But let's consider just for a moment that something like that doesn't happen.

1. It's called MAD.
2. There are at least six nations on you right now.
3. That's 6X the MAD.
4. That's a whole lot of glassing of Kahta, and Kahta alone.

Basically, you decide to launch nukes against a perfectly standard means of attack and you will be wasted off the face of the Earth. No more Kahtans. Ever. The northeastern shelf of the US would simply cease to exist, along with every living thing around it.

And that's ignoring radiation. Of course, you can decide to be an ass and launch lots of nukes. That, however, will pull down this RP. Plus you'll be destroyed. There's no way you could ever survive the total reply. Oh, and if you've got that many nukes, your armed forces must just suck. A lot. Hope you like taking lots of losses in a normal campaign. And please do explain again how you can possess all that nuclear weaponry. Because, you know, a missile carries more then one warhead. So you've got around 600,000 warheads in a low estimate case, plus all the missiles on constant standby. Care to explain how your nation's military, economy, and government aren't crippled due to the costs? Hmmm?]

And that's without mentioning the god only knows how many millions of spores, virions and bacteria that I alone can release upon you, let alone the rest of us, or the chemical munitions.

[OOC- http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=ja96norris

Okay. Here's a source on American nuclear arms. Here's a nice little area pertaining to you.

"Trident D5 Navigation Upgrade, $250 million; Minuteman III Propulsion Replacement, $2.9 billion; Minuteman Guidance Replacement, $1.6 billion; Air Force/Navy RV Upgrade Studies, $250 million; ICBM and SLBM day-to-day upkeep, $3 billion; B-2 day-to-day upkeep, $1 billion."

Okay, so that's $3 billion per year. Not too bad, considering. It costs 3 billion USD per year to keep just 836 missiles functioning. no security provisions. No warhead costs. No new technology. No launch stations, etc....just maintaining the missiles.

Now, how many missiles does the US have? Look at the chart. ICBM's- 500. SLBM's- 336. 836 missiles cost $3 billion per year just to upkeep(Very low estimate, as two years had passed until the 5-year period this was being judged on ended. So adding anothr .75 billion shouldn't be a problem, though it's still too low.) So, you've got 55,000 ICBMs or SLBMs. That's 65.8 times more missiles. 246.75 billion dollars for the ICBMS and SLBMs operating costs.

Now, you've got 45,000 other missiles to be air launched. The things cost more to develop, probably less to upkeep. So A very generous upkeep of $1.75 billion per year for the US. They've only got bombs, so it's a bit touchy. 600 for planes though, what you said. So, 75 times the upkeep cost for you in that respect. 131.25 billion yearly.

$378 billion per year on upkeep for misiles alone. remember, no money for security. No money for upgrades. No money for bombers, subs, or the specially outfitted planes to carry the things. No money for anti-missile defences, failsafes, first-warning, radar, or anything of that nature. And most importantly, nothing spent on warheads yet.

If you want this stockpile, you're looking at the multi-trillions(as in double digits) per year of spending. How much is your military spending? Cause you don't have much of a military, if any, if you've got this large of a stockpile. But oh well. Fire it. Watch it get shot down........]

OOC: Okay, I get the message, I'm outgunned.

IC:

I am willing to extend the deadline for hostilities indefinetly if Sevaris and their allies would be willing to enter negociations with Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Okay, I get the message, I'm outgunned.

[OOC- Wait. Did someone on NS finally listen to reason?! did this just happen?! My God.....I thought I'd never see it on NS......bravo Kahta, bravo.]

I am willing to extend the deadline for hostilities indefinetly if Sevaris and their allies would be willing to enter negociations with Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus


Will you still need my ships?

--~King Jedo~

Will you still need my ships?

--~King Jedo~


You can recall them.

Czar Sam Fabus

[OOC- Wait. Did someone on NS finally listen to reason?! did this just happen?! My God.....I thought I'd never see it on NS......bravo Kahta, bravo.]

OOC: Thanks.

They had been heading for days now, it had been nearly a week since they had left the safety of their armored pens back home. They wouldn't see that same safety for a long time but neither would the people waiting at their destination. It was a fleet, not the type of fleet people pictured in teir minds, an underwater fleet but a fleet nonetheless. 35 Orca SSN's paved the way with more Leviathan SSBN/SSGN's tagging along. It was a large deployment and an expensive one but one that if all went well it would pay large dividends. Out in front UUV's scattered themselves amoong the waves peering deep into the waters with their blue green Lidar and passivve sonar arrays. The strands of info they sent back kept the supercomputers buzzing alive with work on the subs. Soon enough within the hour they would be in position, and an hour after that the first shots would be fired.

The warm tropical waters of the Carribean flowed around the sub fleet. The fleet was splitting up, spreading its net around the island ahead. More UUVs were put out setting up a perimeter to their backs and front. The fleet was in position, 30nm from Jamaica, Kahtan Jamaica. While their Tyrandian allies busied themselves with mainland Kahta Safehaven would deal with their overseas possesions and Jamaica topped the list. The sub fleet was just the vangaurd of what was to come, they would prepare Jamaica, soften it up for the real fleet, they had the honor of getting first blood in this war. The SSN's forming the backbone of the blockade just set up around Jamaica were alive with activity. Their forawrd torpedoe tubes opened up flooding with water as their own supercomputers went over strands of information and protocals. Finally they were ready and SSN's all around Jamaica shuddered as one by one their forward tubes emptied then refilled with water. Dozens of torpdoes had been fired at Jamaica, but then they stopeed and formed a net of their own surounding Jamaica. Others formed one behind the sub net. They weren't normal torpedoes they were torp-mines, Jaws torp mine systems a total of 200 of them. Supplied by the Hylaand-Nykolass(sp?) industries and from New Empire they were devishly effective at what they did and what they did was kill ships. Any ships that tried to enter or exit Jamaica that didn't let out the correct code would be attacked by the mines and if they passed the mines then the sub fleet would engage them.

WIth the mine field set up the actual shooting began. The Leviathans rose up nearing the surface before opening up their own VLS tubes. They let loose their own arsenal, dozens of missiles broke thru the sea surface shooting out of their capsules. One of the missiles failed to break from tis capsules and exploded barely 15 feet in the air spraying its sub-munitions across the sea. Once the rest of the missiles were int he air they tipped over on their sides and kicked on their engines shooting to mach 3.5 on their way to Jamaica. Their were a total of 300 Wolerine missiles minus the one had a bad capsule and one whose engine malfunctioned making for 298 missiles bearing down on Kahtan Jamaica. Coming from all sides the first 100 Wolverine missiles bore down on the Kahtan radar, SAM and air defense network. The next 99 targetted known command structures and military airfields while the last 99 were to hit the rest of the Kahtan air defense network that might have showed itself engaging the first two waves.

This strike depleted the missiles stores of the Leviathans quickly, they still had some left but they'd need more if things got troublesome. With thee Orca's holding the blockade the Leviathans pulled out going to meet up with "civilian" mercheant ships. In reality they held stores of missiles, mines, torpedoes, food and all the other things the sub fleet would need to fight. They wouldn't have to hold the blockade much longer though, already the real fleet, the surface fleet was nearing the Carribean. The 5th and 3rd fleets along with the 9th amphibius group were just outside the Carribean and would be at Jamaica within the week.

OOC: Okay, I get the message, I'm outgunned.

IC:

I am willing to extend the deadline for hostilities indefinetly if Sevaris and their allies would be willing to enter negociations with Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"Get it straight you sniveling worm, the Imperium of Tyrandis refuses to pay any protection money, much less to an impotent nation. There will be no negotiations from our side of the table; either you will cease and desist making such wholly unreasonable demands, or face the prospect of war with our country."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"Get it straight you sniveling worm, the Imperium of Tyrandis refuses to pay any protection money, much less to an impotent nation. There will be no negotiations from our side of the table; either you will cease and desist making such wholly unreasonable demands, or face the prospect of war with our country."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

What demands do you speak of? I simply want protection for Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Because you are continuing to press this issue, I feel you are using OOC reasons to attack my nation. This reeks of OOCism.

They had been heading for days now, it had been nearly a week since they had left the safety of their armored pens back home. They wouldn't see that same safety for a long time but neither would the people waiting at their destination. It was a fleet, not the type of fleet people pictured in teir minds, an underwater fleet but a fleet nonetheless. 35 Orca SSN's paved the way with more Leviathan SSBN/SSGN's tagging along. It was a large deployment and an expensive one but one that if all went well it would pay large dividends. Out in front UUV's scattered themselves amoong the waves peering deep into the waters with their blue green Lidar and passivve sonar arrays. The strands of info they sent back kept the supercomputers buzzing alive with work on the subs. Soon enough within the hour they would be in position, and an hour after that the first shots would be fired.

The warm tropical waters of the Carribean flowed around the sub fleet. The fleet was splitting up, spreading its net around the island ahead. More UUVs were put out setting up a perimeter to their backs and front. The fleet was in position, 30nm from Jamaica, Kahtan Jamaica. While their Tyrandian allies busied themselves with mainland Kahta Safehaven would deal with their overseas possesions and Jamaica topped the list. The sub fleet was just the vangaurd of what was to come, they would prepare Jamaica, soften it up for the real fleet, they had the honor of getting first blood in this war. The SSN's forming the backbone of the blockade just set up around Jamaica were alive with activity. Their forawrd torpedoe tubes opened up flooding with water as their own supercomputers went over strands of information and protocals. Finally they were ready and SSN's all around Jamaica shuddered as one by one their forward tubes emptied then refilled with water. Dozens of torpdoes had been fired at Jamaica, but then they stopeed and formed a net of their own surounding Jamaica. Others formed one behind the sub net. They weren't normal torpedoes they were torp-mines, Jaws torp mine systems a total of 200 of them. Supplied by the Hylaand-Nykolass(sp?) industries and from New Empire they were devishly effective at what they did and what they did was kill ships. Any ships that tried to enter or exit Jamaica that didn't let out the correct code would be attacked by the mines and if they passed the mines then the sub fleet would engage them.

WIth the mine field set up the actual shooting began. The Leviathans rose up nearing the surface before opening up their own VLS tubes. They let loose their own arsenal, dozens of missiles broke thru the sea surface shooting out of their capsules. One of the missiles failed to break from tis capsules and exploded barely 15 feet in the air spraying its sub-munitions across the sea. Once the rest of the missiles were int he air they tipped over on their sides and kicked on their engines shooting to mach 3.5 on their way to Jamaica. Their were a total of 300 Wolerine missiles minus the one had a bad capsule and one whose engine malfunctioned making for 298 missiles bearing down on Kahtan Jamaica. Coming from all sides the first 100 Wolverine missiles bore down on the Kahtan radar, SAM and air defense network. The next 99 targetted known command structures and military airfields while the last 99 were to hit the rest of the Kahtan air defense network that might have showed itself engaging the first two waves.

This strike depleted the missiles stores of the Leviathans quickly, they still had some left but they'd need more if things got troublesome. With thee Orca's holding the blockade the Leviathans pulled out going to meet up with "civilian" mercheant ships. In reality they held stores of missiles, mines, torpedoes, food and all the other things the sub fleet would need to fight. They wouldn't have to hold the blockade much longer though, already the real fleet, the surface fleet was nearing the Carribean. The 5th and 3rd fleets along with the 9th amphibius group were just outside the Carribean and would be at Jamaica within the week.


OOC: Ignored for godmodding.

1.Torpedoes do not, and cannot work that way.

2.Did you ever RP anything aboout recon of Jamaica? Obviously not.

3. These merchant ships appear out of nowhere... They would be noticed by sattelites and aircraft would then go out and intercept them.

OOC: Might I suggest you avoid like the plague talking like DA; just because you don't think it's a valid reason does not make it unrealistic. We probably didn't go into Iraq searching for WMDs, but the war still happened.

OOC: Might I suggest you avoid like the plague talking like DA; just because you don't think it's a valid reason does not make it unrealistic. We probably didn't go into Iraq searching for WMDs, but the war still happened.

OOC: No, he is pursruing this for OOC reasons, no one in their right mind would declare war on a nation thats 50% larger. Yes. Thats right. 50%.

What demands do you speak of? I simply want protection for Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Because you are continuing to press this issue, I feel you are using OOC reasons to attack my nation. This reeks of OOCism.

OOC: What exactly are you talking about? I'm simply using diplomatic communications to stonewall while my armies mobilize.

IC:

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The demands for 'reparations' for actions that the Militant Imperium had no part in."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

OOC: What exactly are you talking about? I'm simply using diplomatic communications to stonewall while my armies mobilize.

IC:

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The demands for 'reparations' for actions that the Militant Imperium had no part in."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

OOC: very well.

I have dropped those demands.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Kahta, their not torpedoes, their mines. Their shot out the tubes much like torpdoes, that how you deploy them. Whats special about them is that instead of waiting to be bumped into by a ship they way they work is they detect a ship, a metal one so a wooden ship would go by fine, and if it doesn't emit the correct IFF signal they attack it. They dont have a long range, and it is a very much MT but I don't really care about them if their that much trouble.

Recon of Jamaica? Don't have to recon something if I don't want to, plus, sats can do my recon just fine.

Mercheant ships are marked civilian and you aren't technically at war with Safehaven yet nor has any word of a possibility of such happening been spread but if you want to attack them be my guest and go ahead, Ill rp it.

Anything else? Don't just flat out ignore something, just tell me and talk to me about it, im a pretty flexible person just ask anyone whose rped with me.

OOC: Kahta, their not torpedoes, their mines. Their shot out the tubes much like torpdoes, that how you deploy them. Whats special about them is that instead of waiting to be bumped into by a ship they way they work is they detect a ship, a metal one so a wooden ship would go by fine, and if it doesn't emit the correct IFF signal they attack it. They dont have a long range, and it is a very much MT but I don't really care about them if their that much trouble.

Recon of Jamaica? Don't have to recon something if I don't want to, plus, sats can do my recon just fine.

Mercheant ships are marked civilian and you aren't technically at war with Safehaven yet nor has any word of a possibility of such happening been spread but if you want to attack them be my guest and go ahead, Ill rp it.

Anything else? Don't just flat out ignore something, just tell me and talk to me about it, im a pretty flexible person just ask anyone whose rped with me.


No, you have to know whats there in Jamaica.

Also, those IIF sounds are a completely stupid idea because it would give away the position of your ships to any of my submarines or sonar lines that are in the area. You also run the risk of attacking neutral shipping.

My military would notice merchant ships that are not going to any target, or are stopping, and they would intercept them.

OOC: Again, sat can do all the recon I need for this, not that I really need much.

About mines and the ships, if thats so then its my weakness so its a plus for you, take advantage of it.

Their normal mercheants and they are heading to destinations, all thats different is that they slowed down once early in the morning for about an hour in which time they gave the missile subs their reloads, their not in Jamaican waters, their nearly 90mls away not seeing how you'd know anything suspicius about them unless you saw them supplieng the subs but again go ahead and rp, dont rlly care Ill just deal with it.

Anything else?

ooc: Kahta, need I remind you that DA invented the whole concept of ignoring someone for your own percieved nature of ooc'ism? Also (as I have made clear to him) it is frowned upon by 99% of the player base as n00bish and godmodding. After all, if you IGNORE someone because you (ooc'ly) think that is unrealistic, then you are making an IC decision based on your own ooc perceptions, which is just as bad no?

OOC: Again, sat can do all the recon I need for this, not that I really need much.

About mines and the ships, if thats so then its my weakness so its a plus for you, take advantage of it.

Their normal mercheants and they are heading to destinations, all thats different is that they slowed down once early in the morning for about an hour in which time they gave the missile subs their reloads, their not in Jamaican waters, their nearly 90mls away not seeing how you'd know anything suspicius about them unless you saw them supplieng the subs but again go ahead and rp, dont rlly care Ill just deal with it.

Anything else?

OOC: Yes, you do, because you have no idea WHAT is there. If you'd done the recon, you would know that all the military equipment is ready for use, but in bunkers with 20 foot thick walls. The command and control centers are underground, connected by underground links. The military defense system is entirely self contained.

And if we had been attacked, we would be monitoring anything within AWACs range.

OOC: OK, that only deal with like 40 of the missiles as the rest are aimed at other targets. You can't hide radars and SAM in bunkers 20ft thick and thats what most of my missiles are going at. Plus, airfields were also on the list.

None of this has anything to do with godmodding, just post iccly in response and use all these points of yours. Im not understanding why that is not possible?

OOC: What SafeHaven2 is saying is..ok, perhaps you're right..but that doesn't warrant you ranting OOC.. reply to the post, and use these discrepencies to your advantage --- that's why I prefer world at war over this, people don't just rant OOCly.

OOC: Thanks Mac, he put it pretty good. Thats one of the reasons I like it to but anyways, Kahta-Ive answered everything so can you post iccly now?

OOC: Can we please pause everything related to mainland Kahta until Sevaris comes back?

WIth the mine field set up the actual shooting began. The Leviathans rose up nearing the surface before opening up their own VLS tubes. They let loose their own arsenal, dozens of missiles broke thru the sea surface shooting out of their capsules. One of the missiles failed to break from tis capsules and exploded barely 15 feet in the air spraying its sub-munitions across the sea. Once the rest of the missiles were int he air they tipped over on their sides and kicked on their engines shooting to mach 3.5 on their way to Jamaica. Their were a total of 300 Wolerine missiles minus the one had a bad capsule and one whose engine malfunctioned making for 298 missiles bearing down on Kahtan Jamaica. Coming from all sides the first 100 Wolverine missiles bore down on the Kahtan radar, SAM and air defense network. The next 99 targetted known command structures and military airfields while the last 99 were to hit the rest of the Kahtan air defense network that might have showed itself engaging the first two waves.



The damage was light to the SAM systems, as those had been hidden away inside the basements of civillian's buildings, however, the things which could not be hidden, were heavily damaged. Virtually the entire command structure had been destroyed for any regular communications, the only way to communicate for the next week or so, would be by radio, between units. The airfields were damaged, preventing operations from taking place for the next few days, but some were operational with SH-60's, F-22's, P-3's, and E-767's...

From Czar Sam Fabus:
To: The attacker of Jamaica

Please have the human decency to state that you are going to war with me, you're just like the Japs, and I'd bet your Asian too. At least they declared war after they attacked, you're just being a coward.

Czar Sam Fabus



On board E-767, part of the 24 hour operation guarding the skies, following the missile attack.

"Sir, I've been watching some merchant ships, and looked at their bearings, they're going too slow, and turning too frequently to be going anywhere in a real hurry."

"What do you think they're doing?"

"I suspect that they're resupplying, or they are the launching platform of the missiles that were launched at Jamaica."

"I'll send a patrol out there."

The commander on board the E-767 called for a patrol of 5 P-3's to investigate.

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On board a P-3, heading to the merchant ships

"This is the Kahtan Colonial Navy, please identify yourself, your destination, and your reason for being in the Czar's ocean."...

The Remesis was a good sized mercheant ship, at least it used to be till the military gave it a new job. They had finished filling up the Leviathens a bit earlier after their strike on the Kahtan colony. It looked like the strike was fairly succesfull knocking out a few airstrips and making communication on the island hard. That would be enough for an opening strike, now with the blockade the Kahtan garrison would be cutoff from everything, even food. The Kahtans had taken notice to the mercheant convoy lazily strolling thru the Carribean and they didn't seem to want to let that go.

"Hello, why all the fuss? Last time I checked this was international waters? But anyway were enroute to Panama, we've been having some engine troubles which is why our friend over their joined us and we wouldn't mind if you could send us some help?"

Under the water the Leviathens that had resupplied from the ships went back to the blockade, all except one which stayed around in case the Kahtans got trigger happy. They only had to hold out for another day, the main fleet was coming and would be their soon. In preperation recon sats poured over the island snapping photos and gathering data on what the Kahtans had on the island.

OOC: Did my recon, so what you got? And would you like to RP any incoming or outgoing ships?

The Remesis was a good sized mercheant ship, at least it used to be till the military gave it a new job. They had finished filling up the Leviathens a bit earlier after their strike on the Kahtan colony. It looked like the strike was fairly succesfull knocking out a few airstrips and making communication on the island hard. That would be enough for an opening strike, now with the blockade the Kahtan garrison would be cutoff from everything, even food. The Kahtans had taken notice to the mercheant convoy lazily strolling thru the Carribean and they didn't seem to want to let that go.

"Hello, why all the fuss? Last time I checked this was international waters? But anyway were enroute to Panama, we've been having some engine troubles which is why our friend over their joined us and we wouldn't mind if you could send us some help?"

Under the water the Leviathens that had resupplied from the ships went back to the blockade, all except one which stayed around in case the Kahtans got trigger happy. They only had to hold out for another day, the main fleet was coming and would be their soon. In preperation recon sats poured over the island snapping photos and gathering data on what the Kahtans had on the island.

OOC: Did my recon, so what you got? And would you like to RP any incoming or outgoing ships?

"Please allow our search teams to come on board, you are in Kahtan claimed water, and we reserve the right to search any ship we feel is a threat to Kahta. Failure to comply will result in sinking."

The recon shows very little information on the military positions, but it shows where the now emptied public armories are. Some Underground tanks can be seen, also, the bunkers of the 75 Seawolf Class submarines can be seen.

OOC: There are no ships leaving or entering because mainland Kahta is under blockade, but if a navy surrounds us, we will attack the surface forces, starting with carriers.

IC:

To Tyrandis
From Czar Sam Fabus

This is your final warning to recall your submarine forces or I will begin strategic bombing of your cities via space based weapons.

Czar Sam Fabus

IC:

To Tyrandis
From Czar Sam Fabus

This is your final warning to recall your submarine forces or I will begin strategic bombing of your cities via space based weapons.

Czar Sam Fabus

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The Militant Imperium will not, under any circumstances, acceed to Kahtan demands. Even if we wanted to bend over for your race of inbreds, we couldn't seeing as how all Tyrandisan submarine forces are accounted for.

Be warned, for attacking Tyrandisan soil with strategic weapons will be seen as an act of war, and responded to as such."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

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Secret IC:

[Orbit of Earth]

In the limitless void of outer space, Tyrandis's extensive orbital assets were on the move, preparing to retaliate against any form of Kahtan movement.

Innumerable Strategic Reconnaisance Interdiction missile satellites were tracking each and every single attack platform of the Kahtan nation, not to mention reconnaisance sats. Those had been under the watchful eye of the SRIs for some time now, ever since the "Czar" issued his proclamations. All in all, some three hundred indepedent SRI platforms were waiting for the kill order, to launch their deadly payloads at the Kahtan orbital attack platforms.

It was pretty laughable the way the crudely engineered things were built. Considering the fact that the kinetic missiles had no form of insulation, it was a given that huge numbers of the rods would burn up in re-entry.

On the other hand, Tyrandis possessed some one hundred and twenty Damocles-class Strategic Strike Platforms, all recently maintained and armed by shuttle flights. They were the pinnacle of ortillery, with the latest in tungsten alloy and silica aerogel coating. These harbingers of destruction were in geosynch orbit, meaning that at any time, every single one of Kahta's cities could be destroyed. There was no stopping them, thanks to the fact that the rods had no warhead to detonate.

War was coming to these powers, and though the ultimate victor would be unknown, the Tyrandisans knew that they would smite the enemies of God and mankind with the fury of a thousand suns when the shooting started...

OOC: Just in case you guys miss my thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=397022

"Their is nothing on board but if you want to wate your time then thats your choice just make it quick."

On board the crew started arming themselves. They had their own little arsenal of weapons to choose from and they now prepared for a boarding party. Below the waves blue green Lidar beams went back and forth between the ships and the sub below passing information on the situation. If the Kahtans wanted to board they could try to but how succesfull they'd be was something else.

The fleet was within 250mls of Jamaica and was ready for operations. The ASW and AWAC's permiters both were strengthened in preperation for the upcoming invasion. Off the carriers two strikes were organized, one for Jamaica and one to protect the mercheants. Thirty-six Rain and sixty F-121 fighters surported by the fleet and an electronics bird took off heading for Jamaica. Flying in front of them 70 Wolverine missiles headed to Jamaica. Instead of flying at the massive speeds they usually did they were slowed down flying at speeds a plane would usually fly at. They were emitting a signature to make them look like the fighters and bombers coming behind them, this was to confuse the Kahtans and make them hit the missiles. If the Kahtans didn't hit the missiles the missiles would still be usefull for the carried very real warheads. They headed for the submarine pens on Jamaica with a 1,500 LBS ONC warhead and an armor piercing cap to break thru the bunker. ONC was the strongest non nuclear explosive known, that made it expensive but it was worth it.

The Leviathens around Jamaica opened up for one more strike before the air strike would hit. 50 of their own missiles launched up from their tubes breaking thru the waves before tipping over on their way to Jamaica. They all headed towards the surviving Kahtan airfields on Jamaica hoping to knock them out once and for all. Half of them had regular 1,500lbs ONC warheads but the other half carried sub-munitions and mine to take out the run ways and any parked aircraft. These missiles would hit about an hour before the air strike reached Jamaica.

Statement from the Office of the Executor

"The Militant Imperium will not, under any circumstances, acceed to Kahtan demands. Even if we wanted to bend over for your race of inbreds, we couldn't seeing as how all Tyrandisan submarine forces are accounted for.

Be warned, for attacking Tyrandisan soil with strategic weapons will be seen as an act of war, and responded to as such."

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Imperium

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It was pretty laughable the way the crudely engineered things were built. Considering the fact that the kinetic missiles had no form of insulation, it was a given that huge numbers of the rods would burn up in re-entry.


OOC: This reeks of OOCism and I'm considering an ignore of you, Tyrandis because your refusal to talk about anything. If just doesn't make sense that a country like yours a "Compulsary Consumerist State" would care anything about how another country treats its people, or treats any people for that matter. Unless you provide me with a solid explanation, I will ignore you. I have tried on multiple occasions to negociate something with you, and you have refused. I think you are doing this for OOC reasons because you are a fan an anime, as demonstrated by the picture of your leader.

OOC2: Some things are a given, I didn't need to state that my rods had insulation, its a given. Its like saying that an aircraft has rudder.

OOC

Kahta, please re-read this.

ooc: Kahta, need I remind you that DA invented the whole concept of ignoring someone for your own percieved nature of ooc'ism? Also (as I have made clear to him) it is frowned upon by 99% of the player base as n00bish and godmodding. After all, if you IGNORE someone because you (ooc'ly) think that is unrealistic, then you are making an IC decision based on your own ooc perceptions, which is just as bad no?

It is GODMODDING to assume that you know how a nation other than your own would react. It is also n00bish to the extreme to ignore a perfectly good rp just because you look at a bleedin' UN classification. If you persist in this, I can assure you that you will loose an enourmous ammount of respect in the community.

"Their is nothing on board but if you want to wate your time then thats your choice just make it quick."

On board the crew started arming themselves. They had their own little arsenal of weapons to choose from and they now prepared for a boarding party. Below the waves blue green Lidar beams went back and forth between the ships and the sub below passing information on the situation. If the Kahtans wanted to board they could try to but how succesfull they'd be was something else.

The fleet was within 250mls of Jamaica and was ready for operations. The ASW and AWAC's permiters both were strengthened in preperation for the upcoming invasion. Off the carriers two strikes were organized, one for Jamaica and one to protect the mercheants. Thirty-six Rain and sixty F-121 fighters surported by the fleet and an electronics bird took off heading for Jamaica. Flying in front of them 70 Wolverine missiles headed to Jamaica. Instead of flying at the massive speeds they usually did they were slowed down flying at speeds a plane would usually fly at. They were emitting a signature to make them look like the fighters and bombers coming behind them, this was to confuse the Kahtans and make them hit the missiles. If the Kahtans didn't hit the missiles the missiles would still be usefull for the carried very real warheads. They headed for the submarine pens on Jamaica with a 1,500 LBS ONC warhead and an armor piercing cap to break thru the bunker. ONC was the strongest non nuclear explosive known, that made it expensive but it was worth it.

The Leviathens around Jamaica opened up for one more strike before the air strike would hit. 50 of their own missiles launched up from their tubes breaking thru the waves before tipping over on their way to Jamaica. They all headed towards the surviving Kahtan airfields on Jamaica hoping to knock them out once and for all. Half of them had regular 1,500lbs ONC warheads but the other half carried sub-munitions and mine to take out the run ways and any parked aircraft. These missiles would hit about an hour before the air strike reached Jamaica.

"If there is any resistence to the helicopters at all, we will sink you and kill any survivors."

The Boarding team on board one of the SH-60's prepared to get onto the first merchant ship...

OOC Note: LIDAR is not a form of communication that works underwater unless the sub is right next to the ship, hell, I don't even know if LIDAR can be used as communication.

IC2: Above Jamaica, the E-767s could see what appeared to be a wave of fighters. They called in support from ground units, and quickly, 50 F-22's were scrambled to intercept the fighters. The 50 F-22's then launched a wave of 1 KAA-2 missile each.

OOC: Sorry, I'm pressed for time.

OOC

Kahta, please re-read this.



It is GODMODDING to assume that you know how a nation other than your own would react. It is also n00bish to the extreme to ignore a perfectly good rp just because you look at a bleedin' UN classification. If you persist in this, I can assure you that you will loose an enourmous ammount of respect in the community.

Yeah, and he's doing it for OOC reasons. I reserve my right to do so. No nation would go to war without trying to avoid it.

The UN classification's are wrong? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

OOC

You simply cannot you justify ignoring an invasion on this mysterious 'OOC reasons'. It has neither accepted precidence within the history of NS nor does it have any justification within existing RP conventions. As to your extreme value judgment that 'No nation would go to war without trying to avoid it. ', you are utterly wrong. Hitler and Poland? America and Vietnam? Napoleon and Russia? Bush and Iraq? History proves your assumptions otherwise. Now get down to the actual rp'ing and have the balls to take the flak.

Yeah, and he's doing it for OOC reasons. I reserve my right to do so. No nation would go to war without trying to avoid it.
??? Right... so World War I was... what? Godmodded? A war for OOC reasons? Believe it or not, but a hell of a lot of nations see yours as a threat to national security, and tensions have been running high for a long time. People can do whatever the hell they want with their own nations - that's the point of freeform RP.
The UN classification's are wrong? Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Again, people RP how they want to, not based on how you think their UN classification, of which there are only about 12, means that they should RP.

I think it's about time you ditched the DA: "I ignore you because you dont agree with me politically" rubbish. It just makes you look like a n00b.

[QUOTE=Safehaven2
The Leviathens around Jamaica opened up for one more strike before the air strike would hit. 50 of their own missiles launched up from their tubes breaking thru the waves before tipping over on their way to Jamaica. They all headed towards the surviving Kahtan airfields on Jamaica hoping to knock them out once and for all. Half of them had regular 1,500lbs ONC warheads but the other half carried sub-munitions and mine to take out the run ways and any parked aircraft. These missiles would hit about an hour before the air strike reached Jamaica.[/QUOTE]

OOC: Kahta don't forget these missiles.

[QUOTE=Safehaven2
The Leviathens around Jamaica opened up for one more strike before the air strike would hit. 50 of their own missiles launched up from their tubes breaking thru the waves before tipping over on their way to Jamaica. They all headed towards the surviving Kahtan airfields on Jamaica hoping to knock them out once and for all. Half of them had regular 1,500lbs ONC warheads but the other half carried sub-munitions and mine to take out the run ways and any parked aircraft. These missiles would hit about an hour before the air strike reached Jamaica.OOC: Kahta don't forget these missiles.[/QUOTE]

OOC: Sorry, my mom was yelling at me to get off MY computer.

The F-22's after engaging the incoming missiles that appeared to be aircraft continued forward, directed by the AWACS units in the air, to the location of more incoming missiles. The 50 F-22's again launched a salvo of missiles against the incoming targets...

OOC

You simply cannot you justify ignoring an invasion on this mysterious 'OOC reasons'. It has neither accepted precidence within the history of NS nor does it have any justification within existing RP conventions. As to your extreme value judgment that 'No nation would go to war without trying to avoid it. ', you are utterly wrong. Hitler and Poland? America and Vietnam? Napoleon and Russia? Bush and Iraq? History proves your assumptions otherwise. Now get down to the actual rp'ing and have the balls to take the flak.


Ok, so Tyrandis one day attacking DA for no reason, and then the next week attacking me is for solid IC reasons?

OOC: Hehe Kahta..looks like me and Zarb aren't the only ones with moms with loud voices!

Ok, so Tyrandis one day attacking DA for no reason, and then the next week attacking me is for solid IC reasons?

ooc: Yes. Quite simply it is not a matter of a hatred of your (ooc) self, it is a matter of policy.

OOC: This reeks of OOCism and I'm considering an ignore of you, Tyrandis because your refusal to talk about anything. If just doesn't make sense that a country like yours a "Compulsary Consumerist State" would care anything about how another country treats its people, or treats any people for that matter. Unless you provide me with a solid explanation, I will ignore you. I have tried on multiple occasions to negociate something with you, and you have refused. I think you are doing this for OOC reasons because you are a fan an anime, as demonstrated by the picture of your leader.

OOC2: Some things are a given, I didn't need to state that my rods had insulation, its a given. Its like saying that an aircraft has rudder.

OOC: It's an issue of policy. My country sees you as a threat to the entire human race, not to mention the fact that the racial breakdown of Tyrandis is something like 60%. Diplomacy isn't necessary for RP, so either fight this war or stand down.

??? Right... so World War I was... what? Godmodded? A war for OOC reasons? Believe it or not, but a hell of a lot of nations see yours as a threat to national security, and tensions have been running high for a long time. People can do whatever the hell they want with their own nations - that's the point of freeform RP.

Again, people RP how they want to, not based on how you think their UN classification, of which there are only about 12, means that they should RP.

I think it's about time you ditched the DA: "I ignore you because you dont agree with me politically" rubbish. It just makes you look like a n00b.

No, World War 1 was started because of faulty alliances.

There have not been very many tensions against me by very many people. Tyrandis only started hating Kahta when I banned Anime, because he's a fan of it OOCly.

So, are you telling me that the UN classification is wrong? You mean Kahta is really a "lefist paradise"?

World War 1 began because of aock-ups and stupidity. World War 2 began because, finally, nations decided to act against another nation they opposed. Wars begin for all sorts of stupid reasons, and you are in no position to dictate the nature of a "realistic" war.

ooc: Indeed, since 1918 there has been a noticable tendancy for nations to declare war on each other simply for ideological reasons. Look at the history.

The F-22 was a very good aircraft, stealthy, good electronics, but it had its weaknesses and when put up against the fighters flown by the Havenite airforce, or the Macabean and Tyrandean birds it was a generation or two behind. To add to that the Kahtans had just made a bad mistake.

They had first fired on the missiles acting as fighters taking out most of them but now they turned and fired on the sub launched missiles. They basically had their backs turned when the fighters jumped on them. The E-33 Watchman flying behind the fighters distributed the Kahtan fighters equally passing out targets to the waiting fighters. From a range of 120miles the F-121's let loose a wave of 150 Divinebolt long range missiles. The missiles were guided by both the E-33 and the fighters radar and Lidar systems and when they got closer their own radar/Lidar systems wouldhelp guide them in giving them a good kill ratio. Each F-22 had 3 missiles coming at them fast. To add to this 2 Divinebolt missiles were launched at the Kahtan AWAC's bird directing their F-22's. Those two shots were long(Im assuming the AWAC's is like 50mls behind your fighters?) but still within the Divinebolt range. It was unlikly the AWAC's bird would be shot down but it would have to shutdown and start pulling manuevers thereby taking away the Kahtans ability to "see" in this battle for a bit.

The Rain fighter bombers took this opertunity to hit Jamaica. They flew wide avoiding the air battle completly. It would take a while but they were to come in from the other side of Jamiaca and hit Jamaica from the north.(Air battle south of Jamaica.) The Kahtans, hopefully so busy with the fighters down south and with their AWAC's bird under attack, probaly wouldn't notice them till it was to late. 40km out a salvo of Kraven missiles was fired at Jamaica, each missiles would home in on any SAM or radar on Jamaica civilian or military. This was to knock out any remaining defenses before the Rain hit.



The men on board the mercheant waited and watched as the SH-60 came in. A message had been sent to the Leviathen below telling of what was happening but know all they could do was wait. It looked like the Leviathen might not have gotten the message but then missiles began bursting out of the waves, ten in all. They were Artemis SAM's sent from the Leviathen below. They targeted the Kahtan planes flying around the mercheants each plane getting two missiles to its name. The Kahtan helo was a different story, that was the job of the mercheant ship to take care of. Two shoulder fired missiles fired from the deck shot out heading to the the incoming SH-60. From the fleet a sqaudron of fighters was inbound to clear out any remaining Kahtans.

No, World War 1 was started because of faulty alliances.
And did anyone try peace? No. They just invaded.

So, are you telling me that the UN classification is wrong? You mean Kahta is really a "lefist paradise"?
UN Classifications, like anything, *can* be right, but that doesnt mean they necessarily are. You need a better proof than "It works for one nation so it works for the whole damn lot". According to the NS XML feed, you spend 0% of your budget on Admin, and so you dont have a government. Care to RP that?

The F-22 was a very good aircraft, stealthy, good electronics, but it had its weaknesses and when put up against the fighters flown by the Havenite airforce, or the Macabean and Tyrandean birds it was a generation or two behind. To add to that the Kahtans had just made a bad mistake.

They had first fired on the missiles acting as fighters taking out most of them but now they turned and fired on the sub launched missiles. They basically had their backs turned when the fighters jumped on them. The E-33 Watchman flying behind the fighters distributed the Kahtan fighters equally passing out targets to the waiting fighters. From a range of 120miles the F-121's let loose a wave of 150 Divinebolt long range missiles. The missiles were guided by both the E-33 and the fighters radar and Lidar systems and when they got closer their own radar/Lidar systems wouldhelp guide them in giving them a good kill ratio. Each F-22 had 3 missiles coming at them fast. To add to this 2 Divinebolt missiles were launched at the Kahtan AWAC's bird directing their F-22's. Those two shots were long(Im assuming the AWAC's is like 50mls behind your fighters?) but still within the Divinebolt range. It was unlikly the AWAC's bird would be shot down but it would have to shutdown and start pulling manuevers thereby taking away the Kahtans ability to "see" in this battle for a bit.

The Rain fighter bombers took this opertunity to hit Jamaica. They flew wide avoiding the air battle completly. It would take a while but they were to come in from the other side of Jamiaca and hit Jamaica from the north.(Air battle south of Jamaica.) The Kahtans, hopefully so busy with the fighters down south and with their AWAC's bird under attack, probaly wouldn't notice them till it was to late. 40km out a salvo of Kraven missiles was fired at Jamaica, each missiles would home in on any SAM or radar on Jamaica civilian or military. This was to knock out any remaining defenses before the Rain hit.



The men on board the mercheant waited and watched as the SH-60 came in. A message had been sent to the Leviathen below telling of what was happening but know all they could do was wait. It looked like the Leviathen might not have gotten the message but then missiles began bursting out of the waves, ten in all. They were Artemis SAM's sent from the Leviathen below. They targeted the Kahtan planes flying around the mercheants each plane getting two missiles to its name. The Kahtan helo was a different story, that was the job of the mercheant ship to take care of. Two shoulder fired missiles fired from the deck shot out heading to the the incoming SH-60. From the fleet a sqaudron of fighters was inbound to clear out any remaining Kahtans.


OOC: One or 2 generations behind? This is modern tech... Also LIDAR as a sensing system for military applications isn't for another 20 years at least...

120 Mile range of missiles?

OOC: LIDAR is a 2005 technology - it's just not used by the military still..however, LIDAR does work with 2005 applications...as does LADAR.

OOC: And the RL Yakhont has a range of 300km:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Yakhont.html

OOC: LIDAR is a 2005 technology - it's just not used by the military still..however, LIDAR does work with 2005 applications...as does LADAR.


OOC: Meh, if its not used by the military, it doesn't really have a military application.

OOC: And the RL Yakhont has a range of 300km:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Yakhont.html

I know, I'm not doubting that. I just don't think an AA missile could have range like that, it would have to be too big and that means less maneuverable.

OOC: Meh, if its not used by the military, it doesn't really have a military application.
OOC: If you guys are allowed to have fighters that go Mach 4, and other crazy tanks and battlesuits then uh..we're allowed to have LIDAR which can actually be applied.

OOC: Just cause it isn't used by the military doesn't mean it doesn't have an aplication, it is a real tech. For the missile yes it is longer to get its range, Ill get you the link to the thread with info on it, it was designed by Artitsa and New Empire.

EDIT: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367247&highlight=Artitsa

There you go.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/sm-2.htm

The standard US SAM has a range of 115 miles, that's approximately 185km.

OOC: Meh, if its not used by the military, it doesn't really have a military application.

Do you know how thick that statement makes you sound?

OOC: Kahta? Were are you?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/sm-2.htm

The standard US SAM has a range of 115 miles, that's approximately 185km.



Do you know how thick that statement makes you sound?
OOC: And the Patriot missiles have an even longer range than that. Same with the new SM3 now being tested and slated to replace the SM2.

OOC: Kahta? Were are you?

Earth DA

OOC: And the Patriot missiles have an even longer range than that. Same with the new SM3 now being tested and slated to replace the SM2.
OOC: Patriots are horrible..but eh, that has nothing to do with the argument..sorry for my irrevelant input!

OOC: Patriots are horrible..but eh, that has nothing to do with the argument..sorry for my irrevelant input!

OOC: The newer Patriot Advanced Capability IV (PAC-4)s aren't too bad, although an S-500 will still kick its ass any day of the week.

That said, I guess this thread is irrelevant since the war is now between Macabees/Momanguise and Kahta/VE.

Oh well. I'll be destroying Armandian Cheese later today since I just finished a crapload of tests for my APUSH and AP Calc A-B classes, so I have enough time to make a good, detailed war thread.

OOC: APUSH eh... I did jack sh!t in that class...got a 3 on the test..I'm happy...the only reason I got a three is because the DBQ was on the 7 Years' War (French and Indian War)...I aced the DBQ...

Earth DA

OOC: Meant were are you like are you gonna respond?

OOC: Make it in a new thread, I'm not going to keep this tread moving up, because the main RPing part (Tyrandis) of it is over.

Alrite continued here then:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8236869#post8236869