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Today the Infantry annouced its all new comprehensive weapons replacement program. For reasons of logistics and lethality, all weapons using 9mm, 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 40mm ammuniton will be withdrawn from service.
Two new rounds (and two old but good ones) will be the only types of ammuniton the infantry of the Infantry will use.

Chosen to replace the 5.56mm NATO round is the new Remington 6.8mm cartridge.
We expect to convert all M-4A1 and M-16A2-A4 rifles to the new 6.8mm cartridge by next month.

The Infantry has offered a contract to domestic firearms companies to develop a new underbarrel weapon to replace the 40mm M203 grenade launcher and to use the same 25mm round as the M307(see below)

We have decided that the new 40 pound M-312 .50 cal machine gun will replace BOTH the M240B 7.62mm and M-2 .50 cal machine guns in our arsenal
Although, where logical the M-2 will remain in service (vehicle mounts, stationary defenses)

The Mk19 grenade machine gun will be replaced by the 25mm M307 Cannon/Airbursting Weapon System. The M307 is almost exactly the same as the M312 and they can be changed from one to the other as fast as the barrel can be switched out. This saves training time and maintaince/repair, due to the parts commonality and simmilarites between the two weapons systems.


http://www.barrettrifles.com/images/m468le_04.jpg
M-468 6.8mm Carbine
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http://www.barrettrifles.com/images/m468_04.jpg
M-1668 6.8mm Assault Rifle
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http://www.military.szm.sk/zbrane/lpz/m60e3.jpg
M-60E4 6.8mm Light Machine Gun
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M-312 12.7mm (.50BMG) Machine Gun[-+-]M-307 25mm "Auto-Cannon" (ABWS)

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M-24A6 6.8mm Sniper Rifle
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http://www.barrettrifles.com/images/m107_04.jpg
M-82A4 12.7mm (.50BMG) Sniper Rifle
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M-109 25mm Sniper "Cannon"
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other:

UMP-45 (http://www.silvermods.com/imgs/ss/weps/ump45.jpg) .45cal Sub Machine Gun (will be issued to vehicle crews, some MPs, SF)
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Special Forces will continue to use versions of
H&K's USP series (http://www.pistolskytte.org/info/vapen/HK_USP.jpg) .45cal Pistols
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And lastly, officers, some vehicle crew members and MPs will now carry a specialized compact, high capacity M1911 .45 cal pistol.
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/pix/Springfield_High-Cap_Ultra_Compact.jpg
M1911B2 .45 Cal Pistol

no comments?

Dropping 40mm from your underbarrel weapon in favor of 25mm will be alot less powerful, I'd suggest rifle grenades that can double as hand grenades. I suggest standardizing the ends of the barrels so the grenades could be used by any of your 6.8mm guns.

OK, you break free of ammo standardisation. By doing so, you effectively destroy the future of your weapons. Making weapons only for your army will not provide enough money for the arms company that makes them. Most arms manufacturers sell a portion of their weapons abroad. And if they don't have the bullets to put in them, they won't buy them. Non-standard ammo = Bad idea.

yeah but if your doing it because you find the NATO round "unpowerful", or something, it would behoove you to make an more powerful and larger round

Culd I buy the blueprints or have production right for the M-312 12.7mm (.50BMG) Machine Gun[-+-]M-307 25mm "Auto-Cannon" (ABWS)
And Varients to fit on to tanks, APCs, HMMWV, trucks.

6.8mm is actually pretty common on NS because people are always into upgrading their assault rifles. Caseless and flechette are also much more common in NS than IRL. Also, thanks to the size of some NS nations, arms companies can be overburdened by orders from national armies with combat arms in the millions.

My army has deep pockets and the weapons companies will make more than enough dough with the 6.8mm weapons....

Culd I buy the blueprints or have production right for the M-312 12.7mm (.50BMG) Machine Gun[-+-]M-307 25mm "Auto-Cannon" (ABWS)
And Varients to fit on to tanks, APCs, HMMWV, trucks.
How much $$ would you be willing to pay for it?

My army has deep pockets and the weapons companies will make more than enough dough with the 6.8mm weapons....


How much $$ would you be willing to pay for it?

about $1000 per gun.

is the M-312 12.7mm (.50BMG) Machine Gun[-+-]M-307 25mm "Auto-Cannon" (ABWS) actually a real gun

That will not be acceptable these weapons cost us over each $2500 to build. If you think you can produce them for cheaper, then I think you can pay a blanket sum of ~20 million dollars for the design and you may produce as many as you wish for your own use. All rights reserved.


ooc:
In reality a simmilar weapon is in the development and testing phase with the US Military.

We have reached an impass witht the devolpment of the 25mm underbarrel grenade launcher and now turn to the international community for designs.

please

OOC:
I had a breif look into using a 20/25mm grenade during my time as Crookfur.
Like the RL Us attempts it was clear that you couldn't actually use the full 25mm round but you could use the projectile a small low velocity propellant charge, i did actually do a quick cut n paste pic edit which i can upload over the weekend for you.

Oh and the XM-109 got cancelled for being "outside the realms of human usability" or soemthign similar, basically they gave up trying to contain the stupendous amounts of recoil

Phoenix Dynamix will develop a 25mm underbarrel grenade launcher and specialized rounds for you based on our 30mm and 40mm M203/5X belt fed launchers for a nominal cost, once we have startup money we can give you a final estimate.

OOC: The XM109 is for sale on http://www.barrettrifles.com

M60E5 19.8 lbs, 39 inches long 4.8 inches wide

Phoenix Dynamix will develop a 25mm underbarrel grenade launcher and specialized rounds for you based on our 30mm and 40mm M203/5X belt fed launchers for a nominal cost, once we have startup money we can give you a final estimate.

OOC: The XM109 is for sale on http://www.barrettrifles.com

They have a breif mention of it, but it still carries the XM designation which means it has not been accepted as a service weapon. A couple of different sources seem to indicate it was still being redesigned as late as january while others claim it has been scraped.

Anyway pics of the Crookfur attempt (thiers was actually 20mm so it might need a bit of resizing), basically its a pump action weapon with a 2round magazine.
Stand alone version with digital sight:
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/25mmGL.jpg

Mounted on an S1A5 Assault rifle:
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/CFARS1A525mmGL1.jpg

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M-71 25mm Underbarrel Grendade Launcher featuring a pump action single shot belt feed mechanism compatible with many different standard, air bursting, and TPM special ammo varieties.
800$ per unit, suggested retail price. Bulk order will recive a discount.

We would like to purchace 12 units from each bidder for testing.

We shall send you 12 demonstration models for free :) (identical to production models but with labels!!)

AUBGS

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album112/aae.sized.jpg
(Weapon is similar to the XM-8 on the outside, but is chambered for 6mm AU and considerably more reliable. Grenade Launcher is mounted on a standard rail and can be replaced with a shotgun, laser designating system, or a cannon/fire control device.)

The ARC-4A1 is the replacement weapon to the venerable ARC-3A2 assualt rifle which was used by the Allied Union Defense Force for many years. But, since you are interested in the grenade launcher component and not the primary weapon system, we'll cut to the chase. The AUBGS 40mm (not 25mm, that’s a puny size for a grenade) grenade launching system was developed to give the Velkyan infantryman the ability to engage entrenched enemy troops, soft vehicular targets, and buildings with effectiveness and speed. The grenade launcher is breech-loaded and single shot and can be loaded with a single 40mm grenade, which has been considered the safest option for an infantryman. However, if need be, a conversion kit is supplied with the weapon to change it to other bore configurations.

The grenade, like most Velkyan models, can be configured for various warheads, including fragmentation, high-explosive, diversionary (flashbang), thermite, incendiary and smoke. The round itself is streamlined, case-less and powered with a liquid binary propellant, increasing its effective range by quite a lot.

It is manufactured at about $500 USD per unit, and production rights are five million dollars. If you're interested in any other products produced by Armalite Military Industries, please contact me. Demonsration models are free of charge, so long as the order does not exceed twenty (20) weapons.

Specs:
Full Name: Advanced UnderBarrel Grenade System
Weight: 2.1 lbs
Length: 14 inches
Barrel Length: 11 inches
Effective Range: 460 yards

(OOC:The ARC-4A1 is the entire weapons system, the AUBGS is the grenade component. If you want to buy the whole rifle, give me a sec.)

AR-4 (Assault Rifle No.4)

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The replacement to the venerable ARC-3A2, the ARC-4A1 is currently the most advanced assualt rifle in Velkyan hands. It's linkage of superior construction, reliablity, killing power, and lightweight are a sure-fire combination. The weapon comes from the factory with a standard magnifying red dot scope (along with an uplink to the C&C system used by Velkyan soldiers, similar to the Land Warrior program of the Army), although the rifle can be modified into several configurations, including a marksman version complete with a longer barrel, a machine gun version with a 100 round magazine, and a urban combat model with a under-barrel shotgun. This type of flexibility allows light infantry to become snipers, gunners, and shock troops in a very short amount of time. The rifle uses 6.27mm caseless ammunition, powered by new liquid propellant, which is superior to powder charges and requires fewer cleanups. The rifle is made from a combination of light composites and alloys, and is quite light for its size and capabilities. It utilizes a bull pup design, allowing for increased muzzle velocity, and is quite easy to disassemble and reassemble for cleaning. Recoil is handled by a muzzle break and compensators built into the butt of the weapon. The weapon is painted in non reflective paint to reduce glare, and is very reliable and exceptionally strong and is able to be used in close combat (and carry a bayonet).

Specifications:

Type: Infantry Assualt Rifle
Name: Assault Rifle No. 4
Fire Modes: Semi-Automatic, 2 Round Burst, Full Auto
Caliber: 6.27mm (caseless)
Propellant: Liquid Binary Propellant
Barrel Length: 442mm
Overall Length: 804mm
Magazine Capacity: 30 rounds on standard AR clip
Rate Of Fire: 600 RPM on full auto service tests
Muzzle Velocity: 1,000 m/s
Maximum Effective Range: 800 meters
Mass without Magazine: Approx. 3.9 kg
Mass with Magazine: Approx. 3.4 kg
Estimated price per unit: $2,700
Production Rights: $1 billion USD

(OOC: Accepted, but let's delete our little conversation here, k?)

Thank you but we are not interested in a 40mm grenade launcher as we have plenty of M203's. We also are not interested in a new assault rifle as we have made our own.

(OOC: The nade launcher can be configured for any type of barrel, even 25mm if you wish.)

We would like to purchace 12 units from each bidder for testing.
A test and demonstration package of 12 AM3A2 grendade launchers, 12 stand lone operation kits, 12 RIS under barrel mounting kits and 6 EM43 digital sighting systems have been dispatched.

After careful review we have decided to buy the Phoenix Milita launcher which among other things, was made specifically for a 25mm grenade whereas Strathdonia would be a modified 20mm. We also like the option of a belt fed system over the 2 round magazine. We would like to order 1 million launchers and the blueprints.

order confirmed