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The DC-117A Scimitar Dropship is primarilly an infantry deployment platform. It is designed to replace the aging Chinooks that have served in the many air forces as a primary heavy lift vehicle.
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Rear view of Scimitar carrying an LRV

As of this post the Scimitar Dropship is now on sale.
Here are the statistics:
Crew: 3 (pilot, copilot/gunner, payload officer)
Powerplant: 8 turbojet engines (thrust vectored) with a total of 16 exhaust ports
Top Speed: 240 knots (may vary with payload)
Range (unrefueled): 1500 miles
Armament: 30mm gattling gun (underslung)
Payload: 16 soldiers (fully equipped), 1 vehicle (LAV-25 or smaller)
Armor: 2 inches of bullet-proofed ceramics
Other Systems: HMHUD (helmet Mounted Heads Up Display), EMP hardened electronics, radar, radar jammer, weapons locker (for up to 30 rifles)
Cost: 50 million usd

i had a MAJOR discussion during my lunch period about the pellican as a MT dropship platform......and no.....simply put the thing cant fly like that


it doesnt have any wings to get lift, and regardless this is post-mt

Edit: i guess you could have something SIMILAR but not for 10 million, way to low

As of this post the Scimitar Dropship is now on sale.
Here are the statistics:
Crew: 3 (pilot, copilot/gunner, payload officer)
Powerplant: 8 Ramjet engines (thrust vectored) with a total of 16 exhaust ports
Top Speed: 140 knots (may vary with payload)
Range (unrefueled): 1500 miles
Armament: 30mm gattling gun (underslung)
Payload: 16 soldiers (fully equipped), 1 vehicle (LAV-25 or smaller)
Armor: 2 inches of bullet-proofed ceramics
Other Systems: HMHUD (helmet Mounted Heads Up Display), EMP hardened electronics, radar, radar jammer, weapons locker (for up to 30 rifles)
Cost: 10 million usd
Sorry buddy, the Pelican is an Post MT ship at best.
Some may argue its an FT.

Ram jets only work when moving at very very very high speeds, and the peliacan weighs to much to be able to fly using anything from MT.

bit of a slow thing isn't it?
140 knots? Infantry with rifles can shoot that thing down.

I spent close to a month working out a way to get the Pelican to fly in MT, I came up with using one engine on each pod to force it up at all times, kind of like a Harrier engine. It does require a lot of engine power though. I'll change the cost and the Ramjet was a typo. It does require a lot of engine power though. Lastly its more than 20 knots faster than a CH-47A Chinook, though I'll boost that to 200 knots. Also I am not using the Pelican's wings, I'm using a larger more efficient wing design, based on the high school science thoery of: longer wing + narrower wing = better lift.

Besides, if it was just the Pelican without any modification then I'd have just called it that. And I can't change the title now anyway.

One last thing, I'm not using the original Pelican design, mine is lighter, and less complicated because I'm worrying about protecting against plasma fire, or using the same engines/ carrying a 75mm gun and ammo, just troops and an LAV. It doesn't require as much power in my configuration/role anyway.

ooc: look man, that thing's so slow a guy with a rocket launcher or (in my case) a handheld railgun would easily shoot it down. It's a sitting duck, unless you have a larger platform that can deliever many of those.

ooc: look man, that thing's so slow a guy with a rocket launcher or (in my case) a handheld railgun would easily shoot it down. It's a sitting duck, unless you have a larger platform that can deliever many of those.
Put simply, I don't want it to be more than 2x the speed of a Chinook, if you can hit this thing then a Chinook is a sitting duck already. So this is the last speed increase. And they are generally launched either from bases just behind the front line, or an aircraft carrier, which has been modified to accept them (their too big for a Nimitz class elevator for example, so new ones would have to be installed)

An MT pelican is a stupid idea.

The FT one is great though, because it's incredibly well aroumred.

Put simply, I don't want it to be more than 2x the speed of a Chinook, if you can hit this thing then a Chinook is a sitting duck already.

ummmmm all helis r sitting ducks man any1 with a TOW rocket launcher or an RPG can shoot down something that slow.

VTOL craft like this one are inherently unstable. Without serious advances in aerospace technology, such an aircraft would most likely be shot down. The Osprey should serve as an example of this.

It seems to me that you'd need a great deal of thrust to keep a hulk like that airborne, so much in fact, you'd probably burn any personnel within a 100 yard radius to a crisp.

HOWEVER, a nimble and light transport vehicle that has the capability of lifting an armored vehicle, as your picture shows, would highly valuable behind the front lines. Such a craft could increase the advancing speed of an army, help armored vehicles negotiate difficult terrain, and provide efficient support.

Build me a fleet of 100 of those, and I’ll wire $5 Billion to your bank account.

An MT pelican is a stupid idea.

The FT one is great though, because it's incredibly well aroumred.

My plan is to make them for each tech I work within. Also, it isn't as dumb as you think. A replacement for a helicopter that if it takes a hit to either rotor is going to go down in a ball of flame killing everyone inside isn't a bad idea, expensive to build, but not a bad idea.

I usually use VTOL jet aircraft in my airforces (dropships included). Burning everything in a 100 foot radius? No. But in order to deliever something, the aircraft would have to touch the ground and stop the engines (otherwise anything being dropped would get flambeed).

i had a MAJOR discussion during my lunch period about the pellican as a MT dropship platform......and no.....simply put the thing cant fly like that


it doesnt have any wings to get lift, and regardless this is post-mt

Edit: i guess you could have something SIMILAR but not for 10 million, way to low


Who needs lift from wings if your FT?

As Masspwnage so eloquently put it, yes it does have to land, otherwise its gonna burn everything and run out of fuel. Also I'm using advanced Fly-By-Wire stability control systems to stabilize it. The picture isn't totally accurate, but it was the best out there. Though it can still carry an LAV.

Your order is confirmed, expect them by the end of the day.

Who needs lift from wings if your FT?
It isn't FT, its MT, where lift is an absolute necessity or your aircraft won't fly.

It isn't FT, its MT, where lift is an absolute necessity or your aircraft won't fly.

Ah, didn't know that. Then the pelican would be screwed.

Ah, didn't know that. Then the pelican would be screwed.
The original would be, the Scimitar however has 3 sets of wings to produce as much lift as possible.

The original would be, the Scimitar however has 3 sets of wings to produce as much lift as possible.

And creat as much drag as humanly possible :rolleyes:

And creat as much drag as humanly possible :rolleyes:
If you read I'm using wings that are so aerodynamically efficient compared to their size that the drag produced is minimal.

let put it this way for you people out there who just don't want this thing to fly. 1+ rl months of planning, redesigning, rethinking, streamlining, and rationallizing doesn't produce an aircraft that has a lot of flaws that can't be over come through pilot training. Particularly when all you have to do is modify a design that already has been atleast partially worked out for you. I spent more time debating with people whether it would fly than I did playing Halo, so I've pretty much got this thing worked out. Though like all aircraft it does have its quirks, in this case less than perfect stability, but there are worse problems aircraft can have.

The Osprey should serve as an example of this. Haven't the airforce fixed the problems with the Osprey yet?

Halo for PC kicks ass....hands down better than the Xbox (have it for both) and i cant wait til halo 2 come to PC......multiplayer WOOT

Halo for PC kicks ass....hands down better than the Xbox (have it for both) and i cant wait til halo 2 come to PC......multiplayer WOOT
Same here. Halo PC rocks!!! :mp5:

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OOC: HAlo in my opinion sucked on the PC or not but thats just my opinion.

Yes this coudl work, there have actually been a number of more or less successful jet VTOL transports in RL (most notably the big german one) and a tilting turbofan engine arrangement is perfectly plausible (ie take a osprey and repalce the rotors with jet pods).

If you use a thrust vectoring system such as either the harrier or osprey then higher speeds are indeed possible with 400kts not being unrealsitic.

OOC: HAlo in my opinion sucked on the PC or not but thats just my opinion.

Yes this coudl work, there have actually been a number of more or less successful jet VTOL transports in RL (most notably the big german one) and a tilting turbofan engine arrangement is perfectly plausible (ie take a osprey and repalce the rotors with jet pods).

If you use a thrust vectoring system such as either the harrier or osprey then higher speeds are indeed possible with 400kts not being unrealsitic.

OOC: Someone kind who DIDN'T scream and bawl at an idea for dropship in MT, a dropship that could make for some damn good RP, you sir, would get a cookie but unfortunately, I'm a tight git, so no dice!

And Shenyang, nice idea from what I've seen. Sadly, alot of people forget that NS isn't about realism, it's about RP, I RP realistically but if these dropships came into my RP: great! Something interesting to play about with.

And by the way: Xbox Halo > PC Halo.

How about this for the Halo PC vs. Halo Xbox debate:
Halo Xbox and Halo PC each have their own strong points.
I really want this debate to end already.

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good idea

Dumb question: This is future-tech, correct?

Thank you.

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Dumb question: This is future-tech, correct?

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Sorry, missed the question when it was posted. I just reply to what's there at the time and go to my profile or II immediately.
This craft is MT RB.
For anyone who reads this and doesn't understand the abbreviation MT = Modern Tech.

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I wish to purchase 10,000 of these ships for $500,000,000,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks!

RB, your order has been confirmed.

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If Halo "sucks" its probally becuase you have anb shity comp, unlike me with my badass kick butt gaming PC (i also use it for programming so i need the hardware with the hi-tech prgramming im pulling off)

Yes, we would want to borrow a two or three first to see how they preform. Should they the results be what we expected, you can expect an order of 2000 pieces in the near future.

OoC: Just send some tests models for us to tinker with and we'll buy 2000 from you tomorow or so.

If Halo "sucks" its probally becuase you have anb shity comp, unlike me with my badass kick butt gaming PC (i also use it for programming so i need the hardware with the hi-tech prgramming im pulling off)

Shenyang has already asked us to refrain from the Halo debate.

but i can assure you that my dislike for Halo is in no way inspired by any lack of perfromance on my machine, it was indeed a rahter pretty game just a shame the game play was aweful, occasionally entertaining it just lacked any particular sparkle on the whole it felt like paying repeated levels of UT agaisnt really crappy bots. in the end i rank it somewhere around Red Faction2 and Serious Sam and serious disappointment after the years of hype.



Shenyang: my appologies so please consider this freindly bump (i would buy some but they would be a bit beyond what my poor african nation could use

Dumpsterdam, we would be happy to send you some of our test models. We look forward to hearing back from you how our Scimitars performed.

Shenyang: my appologies so please consider this freindly bump (i would buy some but they would be a bit beyond what my poor african nation could use
If you want we could arrange a payment plan if that would suit your economy. Send me a TG to me if you are interested in this alternative.

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could you tg me extended statistics. I may be interested

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My nation is facinated with this craft. Its possiblities and use in tactical force deployment currently beats our old Soviet-era workhorses. Our country is not yet full re-armed and with a lack of funding only 40 of these craft will be purchased. Following more pilot training using these 40 we shall purchase more. $2 Billion USD will be wired to your account upon confirmation that these craft have landed within our borders.

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would be interested in aquiring production rights for this aircraft. Please offer an initial asking price.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

I will buy 42 of your whatevers.

I will pay you 150,000,000,000 monetary units of your choosing.

I will you can keep the change.

I will thanks much.

OOC: LOL That things looks like a Transformer.

Interesting design, reminds of somewhat of our own galaxy transports (like said before, basically an Osprey with better engines).

again could you tg me extended statistics. I may be interested in buying quite a few of them and if you can modify them to my needs I will buy alot
more.

Money wired for 2000 pieces.

Request giftwrapping.

Deliver to #56 Oranjeboomstraat, Oranjestad, Aruba.

I would like 50 DC-117A Scimitars money will be wired upon confirmation.

ill trake 6

Dumpsterdam, they're on the way.
Nuevo Hong Kong, your order is confirmed
Neo Sephrioth, the total comes to 300 million usd. Order confirmed
For the heck of it I'll BUMP

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would be interested in aquiring production rights for this aircraft. We purpose an inital offer of 5 billion dollars for production rights.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

Democratic Colonies, I accept your offer for production rights to the DC-117A Scimitar.

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Money wired

I was also wondering how much would production rights cost

I was also wondering how much would production rights cost
That depends on how many you plan to build, and what you're willing to offer for the rights to do so.
Also, seeing as you are new on NS, you ought to consider not purchasing production rights until you get a bit larger, and possibly have a better economy.
I don't want to wipe out your defense budget just purchasing the rights these craft.

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We are pleased with the proformence of this craft, and at a later date may wish to purchase production rights and machinery to build said aircraft. If you ever need support in the form of military forces we will be happy to oblige.

Shenyangi Super BUMP!!!

more BUMPage from your friends at SMDI.

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2 pages of bumps?

2 pages of bumps?
Almost, 2 pages of BUMPs, my plan is to let the thread die at the end of today.

could you make them gun ships or only transports.

I could with some modification, if you want to keep the troop carrying ability it would be a bit easier, otherwise I'd have to change a lot of the systems, but it wouldn't be a huge cost spike.
And I thought I let this die, wierd, oh well.

well i was thinking mainly gunships