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F-78A 'Sokol' Next Generation Air Superiority Fighter

Soviet Bloc
11-01-2005, 02:42
F-78A Sokol/Demon Next Generation Air Superiority Fighter


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The F-78A Sokol [ARSB Designation]/Demon [Doomingsland Designation] Next Generation Air Superiority fighter represents the next quantum leap in Soviet Bloc and Doomingsland aircraft design. From her sleek, beautiful design to her awe-inspiring technology and destructive prowess, this aircraft commands respect. Sporting technology jointly designed between two nations, the Sokol is a force to reckon with in the air, she can outrun, out-manuever, and out-gun her opponenets. A beast of an aircraft, the Sokol has the ability to chase you down, out-maneuver any thing you throw at it, and then ram an air to air missile up your ass with such ferocity and speed that as it detonates in your air intakes and rips apart your aircraft you will sit there, in your ejection seat, and wonder, "What the hell happened?" You fuck with this aircraft, and you are dead.



Soviet Bloc and Doomingsland engineers put every available piece of technology into this aircraft, from the new Direct Neural Interface technology to the General Optical Camoflauge which was jointly developed and designed by the nations of Soviet Bloc and Doomingsland. This aircraft excels to the point of unbelievability, yet it is very real, ripping apart enemy aircraft effortlessly as it navigates the cold, desolate air of the upper atmosphere. This aircraft litteraly tears apart the competition and then roars past their burning wreckage, nimbly swiping through the remains.






Engines

The F-78A Sokol utilizes twin ARSB-developed advanced SB-APDE-ATF-1200AXE pulse-detonation/turbofan hybrid engines which give the F-78A unmatched speed and maneuverability. The massive engines, coupled with the ARSB's advanced turbine system and the ARSB's Advanced Three-Dimensional AQT-80 Vectored Thrust system which can vector the engine's massive amount of thrust at angles up to 80 degrees and using enough speed to complete a full 160 degree conversion in about three seconds, meaning this aircraft can do full S-maneuvers without losing speed, control, or stability. Each engine can put out an amazing 60,000 pounds of thrust which can propel this aircraft to speeds of Mach 3.8. It can super-cruise at speeds approaching Mach 2.7.

But, that's not all... The SB-APDE-ATF-1200AXE engine has evolved to the next generation. Its pulse detonation technology is now playing an ever greater role in this engine series' sheer power and capability. Now, with the advent of new technology, this engine can now 'Double Burst' using the 'Twin Pulse Acceleration System' (TPAS). When engaging the TPAS, a slight delay is present before the pulse detonation system (using controlled explosions to compress air for thrust) switches over to twin pulse which means each engine double fires for each pulse detonation. This means that each engine can put out 120,000lbs of thrust. However, due to the heat and pressure involved, the system can only operate for roughly 8-10 seconds depending on variables such as wind speed, atmospheric conditions, etc. Using the TPAS allows the aircraft to leap forward to a speed of Mach 5. The G-forces involved warrant the need for a special flight suit (hydrostatic), which is included with each aircraft. The TPAS can be the difference betwene life and death in some situations, however, it is not to be taken lightly. If overused, the stress enacted on these engines will force them to disintegrate if overused.






Design

The F-78A Sokol, as an all new, next generation air superiority aircraft, was designed to be the best and was built accordingly. Her intense-looking body provides optimum lift and maneuverability capabilities. She can twist, spin, flip, wheel, anything you can do, she can do and she can do it smoother and faster. Every movement is fluid, thanks to design characteristics employed into her radical body. The forward swept wings give her unmatched maneuverability as do the canards and other control surfaces. The forward swept wings are also movable, being able to slide forward and backward, creating lift when needed, closing in for speed, and moving to aid in maneuvering. The two work together most of the time, although in some maneuvers the two work independently, allowing the F-78A Sokol unmatched maneuverability.

Due to the thrust vectoring, this incredible aircraft can flip end over end in controlled flight. She can even fly backwards in controlled flight, that's how awesome this aircraft's systems are. Also, the pilot, aided by a computer, can use a formerly deadly maneuver to track, and keep its nose on a target: the flat spin. With the advent of new technology, the flat spin is now a controlled piece of maneuvering, this aicraft can enter a controlled, limitd flat spin to keep targets in her view at all times. She can swiftly enter one, and get out of one just as fast. She can even fire on targets while in a flat spin.




Weaponry

Much like the aircraft it is replacing, the F-78A Sokol is designed to maintain and use air to air munitions of medium to close range type. It has numerous hardpoints for weapons to be mounted on including four hardpoints underneath each wing, four internal hardpoints (in two weapons bays) and five hardpoints underneath the fuselage.

The F-78A Sokol also maintains a single 30mm advanced chain gun which uses a small ALMRS/TTAC-03Mk II firing solution computer to track targets in a small cone in front of the weapon. This cannon system, the ACST-30 System, uses the computer to utilize information from the aircraft's radar and other sensors to track an aircraft in front of the F-78A in a small cone that radiates outwards. The ACST-30 is mounted in a semi-sealed 'bubble' underneath the aircraft and can maneuver inside this bubble to fire on enemy aircraft. This means that the F-78A only has to point its nose in a general direction while its cannon moves and locks onto the aircraft then opens fire either on its own or by the pilot's control.



Systems (Avionics and Weapons)

The ARC/MSR-79 is the central targetting, tracking, and firing solution computer and branches out into the following other subsystems:

SB-AIRCST-15S which is the ARSB-developed Infrared Search and Track system. This system scans the entire area and at ranges up to 120 km for any heat signature. When a signature is found, the system tracks the target and provides the weapons computer a firing solution, then a missile can be fired and that missile's own guidance system can take over and steer the missile to its target or it can receive updates from the aircraft's computer.
SB-OLT-91 this is a small ‘passive light sensor’ which detects obstructions (dark spots and at a miniscule scale) during daylight missions and compares it to a known database. It also redirects other systems to the ‘spot’ in order to target and/or identify it. It has multiple settings from very fine (can spot a bird at 5 km) to coarse (basically aiding in visual sight [looking to the rear, above, below, whatever.]).

SB-AMLQ/L90 This system is the F-78As advanced medium-range LIDAR/LADAR suite which includes LIDAR/LADAR receivers and emitters. Also combined with this system is a Doppler LIDAR/LADAR system to track targets and feed targetting data to the main computer. This system has fore and aft viewing ranges of 80km, lateral ranges of 50km, and a vertical range of about 10km.

SB-AMRQ/R72 This system is the F-78A's advanced electronically scanned array multi-function radar. This system has a primary range of 350km and an aft-range of about 200km.

SB-ASRQ/R10 This system is the F-78As short range composite ID radar

ARC-79 computer system is the F-78As tracking portion of the ARC/MSR-79 computer package. Using the IRST and the AMRQ/R72 radar, this system can track nearly three-hundred (300) targets at ranges of nearly 350 km. This powerful system can also bring firing solutions on up to 50 targets in a 100km range depending on the range of the missile and can also identify up to 20 of those targets. The ARC-79 can also identify target headings and trajectories at the farthest range and display them inside the pilot's helmet or on the advanced deep HUD.

MSR-79: This portion of the package is the main targetting computer. It can actively target nearly one hundred of the tracked objects that the ARC-79 is tracking and can bring up firing solutions on 60 of them at once and fire on up to six simultaneously. This system also relies on the IRST and the radar to provide up to date target information for it to process and turn into firing solutions.


ACST-30 uses the computer to utilize information from the aircraft's radar and other sensors to track an aircraft in front of the F-78A in a small cone that radiates outwards. The ACST-30 is mounted in a semi-sealed 'bubble' underneath the aircraft and can maneuver inside this bubble to fire on enemy aircraft. This means that the F-78A only has to point its nose in a general direction while its cannon moves and locks onto the aircraft then opens fire either on its own or by the pilot's control. the firing solution computer for the ACST-30 is a small version of the ALMRS/TTAC-03Mk II.

ADVSCAD- Advanced Deep Visual Scan Canopy Awareness Display System- This system is a series of projectors located through-out the cockpit that project data onto the canopy in a seemingly ‘deep’ environment. Using known faults in the human eye, the system projects data that seems out in the air surrounding the canopy, when in reality it is on the canopy glass. This system shows targeting information, enemy whereabouts, heading information, aircraft information, battle information, command information, radar information, and others. It is fully configurable and can be modified to suit pilot needs or requests.

AMS/MC-MS3: This system links together the motor controls in the wings, aileroins, tail, canards, and the thrust vectoring into one system. Combined, these control surfaces make the F-78A so maneuverable it's almost hard to believe. This system also links them with fiber optic cable technology and advanced servo systems to provide smooth, precise handling and quick response to commands, making this fighter so smooth and agile to operate, a trainee who's flown a trainer jet could hop in one of these and seem like he's been flying it for years.

AEISCN-Mk. IV: This system links the F-78A to the ARSB Global DefenseNet network, meaning it can use information from any other linked unit (including ships, aircraft, tanks, infantry, etc.) and deploys its information to the network.

AFFC/SIRR-12: This is the F-78A's active electronic camoflauge system. A series of five passive radar receivers detect an incoming radar pulse, it is quickly analyzed and a pulse of similar nature with the same frequency, wavelength etc. is deployed, cancelling the radar waves out (active wave cancellation). This effectively means the aircraft can become invisible to most if not all types of radar at any range (only limited by the aircraft's radar's range). (SEE COUNTERMEASURE SECTION)




Direct Neural Interface- Fighter Aircraft

The DNI-FA is a Direct Neural Interface system (originally developed for the VEPR NGCS Infantry Combat System) that allows the pilot to actively pilot the aircraft using his own mind. Targetting information is transferred directly into the pilot/WSO's vision and the pilot/WSO can operate all aircraft systems using their own mind. The DNI is a neural implant that intercepts signals from the crew's mind and transfers it directly to a computer system (or vice versa; computer to mind). The Active Neural Pilot System (ANPS) allows the pilot to pilot and control all facets of the aircraft through his mind, mating man and machine to create a perfect killing machine. Since the system is all neural, the pilot does not have to move (although emergency controls are present in the event of a DNI-FA failure) and pilots the aircraft using his own thoughts and movements. What was once 'moving' his arm is now controllong pitch, yaw, roll, etc. etc. The flawless interface gives the pilot/aircraft combination near unlimited power and potential.

Targetting information is gleaned from all active and passive detection systems and organized into easy-to-understand, readable displays in the pilots and WSO's minds. Each system is seperate and shows each seperate crewmember information specific to their mission (pilot sees weapons, tracking, flight data; WSO sees weapons, tracking, general flight [heading, speed], enemy, and intelligence data). A central computer system takes all data and turns it into two streams (one to each crewmember) which then enter the crewmember's mind directly by stimulating different portions of the brain. The Weapons Service Officer has the ability to control tracking system as well as weaponry using his mind although emergency controls are present. The Pilot has the ability to fly the aircraft, fire weaponry, and cycle through data as he sees fit without moving a single muscle, aside from the eye...



Armor

The F-78A Sokol is outfitted with an extensive, lightweight armor underneath the radar-absorbant materials and frame. Most of the armor is provided by using honeycombed kevlar and epoxy resin with a layer of extremely dense plastic threads. The aircraft also uses many new alloys and composites including Titanium Carbonate (CO3) and pure titanium to provide tensile strength in extreme maneuvers and/or crashes.



Crew Survivability

The aircraft maintains twin SB-ASEV-41A ejection seats that meets all ARSB standards for safe operation and have three activation points: between the crewmember's legs, just under the seat; one to the right of the crewmember, next to the seat; and two located behind the crewmember's head.


The cockpit area is armor protected and strengthened. Each crewmember is given the AHPS (advanced hydrostatic pressure suit) system which is a pressure suit that uses a fluid, instead of air or straps, to restrict blood flow, etc. This allows the wearer to not black out while performing maneuvers of up to 13g. The suit is a primary component of the F-78A aircraft as it allows the aircraf to be used to its full potential.
The entire cockpit is also sealed and pressurized, with heated, breathable air running freely from onboard air tanks. The aircraft can recycle its own air and carries an onboard supply of fourteen hours.



Optical Camoflauge

The F-78A uses optical camoflauge to augment its other stealth features. Optical camoflauge is achieved through the use of the AOGCSC (Advanced Optical General Color Scheme Camoflauge) system which uses dozens of real-time cameras and other optical sensors to capture the general color scheme around the aircraft. A central processing unit takes the data and transfers it to the opposite side of the camera, adjusting colors (lighter or darker) to make up for shadows and to make the aircraft mold into the surrounding air. The general color scheme is projected onto a hundreds of glass/plastic panels covering the aircraft through bundles of fiber optics (not many actual fibers per bundle). The color scheme is generated centrally and travels through the fibers, when it reaches the end a light dissipator at the end (basically a cap that spreads out the light) projects the image onto a small piece of glass/plastic. The glass/plastic panels are covered by a layer of dense plastic designed to prevent shrapnel from shattering the systems as well as to 'deaden' the light, making it appear more realistic. Even the exhaust is covered, although differently... The thrust vectoring system is hard to see due to a series of halogen lights which 'crowd-out' the dark image of the thrust vectoring system and make them invisible at ranges of a mile (in daylight).

The central processing unit also maintains a series of saved schemes including a general gray/blue design, an all-black design, as well as others. The AOGCSC system was jointly developed with the nation of Doomingsland.





Other Stealth Features

Extensive use of Radar Absorbant Material along with minor design characteristics significantly reduces RCS.

Wing Leading-Edge Liquid Coolant system, reduces infrared signature
Exhaust Coolant System (using liquids as well as design characteristics to mix cool air with the hot exhaust), reduces infrared signature.

One of the major reasons aircraft are detected by radar is their control surfaces, always moving, creating different angles, etc. Well, we have constructed our tail assembly out of radar-transparent carbon fibre composites and coated with radar absorbant material, thus the RCS is significantly reduced.



Countermeasures

The F-78A maintains a single electronic countermeasures system (the AFFC/SIRR-12) which is an active radar cancellation system and utilizes a small radar dome underneath the aircraft to locate the incoming radar pulses of a radar-guided missile, it then fires its own radar pulses at a set frequency and size (determined from the missile's radar pulses). This confuses the enemy radar (by canceling out its own waves) and usually causes it to believe that it has reached its target, it then explodes... This system is networked with five panels of radar emitters facing forward, to the right, left, rear, and to the ground and can project the cancellation waves against most radar-emitting sources (it even works on ground radar). It works by canceling out the radar wave, meaning the station that sent the wave will never notice a ‘black spot’ or any type of return as the wave is cancelled out. The small ‘pod’ with the system in it is the active anti-missile portion of the system. The panels are the anti-ground radar portion. The anti-missile portion also doubles as to cancel aircraft radar as well.

The system's range is limited as well as the power of the signal. Some ground stations are far too powerful to cancel out. However, the system works beautifully for close range air defense (as well as against missiles and other aircraft), since the radars used are not as powerful and with smaller range. The system also works at very long ranges, basically cancelling out the incoming signal (but it leaves a 'black spot' which could be noticed).

This system also has a new feature, ARCMD (Active Radar Confusion and Mis-Designation). This allows the system to actually selectively alter the incoming radar wave and sending back an altered wave depicting a large object or many objects, confusing any pilot while overloading a radar-guided missile's computer. It can also 'project' as being somewhere else.

The secondary portion of this countermeasures suite is its short computer jamming system which can jam radars at their computer core and infrared systems. This is accomplished by using a localized microwave emitter located in the same ‘pod’. The emitter fires an intense, but short pulse of microwaves which would strike the missile and effectively ‘melt’ the circuitry as well as royally fuck up anything made of metal.


The F-78A has three types of disposable countermeasures, numbers listed in ( ) :

Flares- infrared countermeasure (26)

Chaff pods- radar countermeasure (22)

Electrical Disturbance pods- creates a surge of electricity in an area and can mess up a missile's computer (4)








Other

This aircraft has an air-refueling nozzle for boom-type refueling.










Specifications

Role: Next Generation Air Superiority Fighter
Crew: 2 (pilot, weapons officer) in a tandem-type configuration
Length: 56.50 ft.
Wingspan (Primary Wings): 47.00 ft.
Height: 13.50 ft. (F-78A); 14.20 ft (F-78B Naval Variant)

Empty Weight: 48,000 lb.
Maximum Weight: 78,000 lb.
Fuel Weight: 15,200 lb. (F-78A); 17,000lbs (F-78B Naval Variant)
Armament Weight: 15,600 lb. (F-78A); 13,800 (F-78B Naval Variant)

Powerplant: 2x SB-APDE-ATF-1200AXE pulse-detonation/turbo-fan hybrid engines
Maximum Thrust: 60,704 lbs per engine (Double Pulse- 119,551 lbs per engine)
Maximum Speed: Mach 5.1 (Double Pulse); Mach 3.8 (without Double Pulse) Super-Cruise speed: Mach 2.7

Initial Climb Rate: 47,000 ft/min
Service Ceiling: 86,650 ft.
Range: 1,670nm (combat); 3,000nm (ferry) [F-78A]; 1900 nm (combat); 3400nm (ferry) [F-78B Naval Variant]
G-Limits: -7 / +13

Weapons: Four hardpoints underneath each wing, five fuselage hardpoints TOTAL EXTERNAL HARDPOINTS= 13
2x Internal bays each with two hardpoints for AAMs
1x SB-AGX-30 30mm Six-barreled cannon with 250 rounds of ammunition
Total armament weight that can be carried: 15,600 pounds (F-78A)


Cost-
F-78A- $125 Million USD
F-78B Naval Variant (Strengthened frame, heavier landing gear, more fuel, treated skin and frame, salt/humidity-proof equipment)- $129 Million USD



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OOC- Comments? Criticism? Unfortunately, it is not for sale (except to close allies? You'd have to ask, I guess). This is mainly to serve as an informative post, etc.
Doomingsland
11-01-2005, 02:44
tag to make sure someone I don't like doesn't get a hold of it
Roach-Busters
11-01-2005, 02:55
I wish to purchase 1,000 F-78As ($125,000,000,000) and 1,000
F-78B Naval Variants ($129,000,000,000). Total: $259,000,000,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks!
Teh ninjas
11-01-2005, 02:55
+tag+
McLeod03
11-01-2005, 02:59
OOC: The naval variant carries more fuel? I would probably have that the other way round, since generally speaking, land-based aircraft will need a greater fuel capacity.

Otherwise, great design guys. I'm guessing I couldn't get production rights for the B variant right?
Doomingsland
11-01-2005, 03:06
RB, your order is confirmed. The fighters will be flown over ASAP (we had some built for you before hand because of the Sarzonian thing).

OOC:No, I definately won't let you get a hold of this thing with our past diplomatic interactions. Thanks for the comments, though.
Soviet Bloc
11-01-2005, 03:08
OOC- Nah, I tend to put more fuel in my naval variants (for greater range at sea and since they're a tad heavier). Otherwise, I see your point, I'll take it into consideration for future designs. Otherwise, I'd have no problem selling it to you, you'd just have to wait for Doomingsland says.
McLeod03
11-01-2005, 03:10
OOC: Heh. Figures. Meh, I'll just have to launch a multi-trillion dollar ANTARES integration program instead.
Soviet Bloc
11-01-2005, 05:55
Bump... Might as well.
Doomingsland
11-01-2005, 22:41
yeah, what he said
MassPwnage
11-01-2005, 22:48
Whoa... nice, finally a manned aircraft that can compete with my ASF-05 Drone Fighters. 1 for 129 billion please (ooc: i'm building a fighter around it (for the cool looks), but with different specs.)
Leafanistan
11-01-2005, 22:48
Leafanistan currently had several recent air based border incursions. Our current fighters could not down the enemy aircraft and while no human losses exist we lost several aircraft. To protect our border High Father has given me the authority to purchase 50 of these fighters for our Air Force. $6,250,000,000 has been appropriated for this and will be wired upon delivery of the aircraft to our airfields.
Largent
11-01-2005, 22:50
Yet another great product brought to you by the Soviet Bloc.

*Tips his hat in admiration*

(sadly I am way FT and wont be purchasing any)
MassPwnage
11-01-2005, 22:52
ooc: Btw, that is the most beautiful fighter i have ever seen. Whoever drew it should be designing cars.
Witzgall
11-01-2005, 22:53
Ooooh. A competitor for the Numen V I have...nicely done. But isn't +13 G's a little much?
Shenyang
11-01-2005, 22:53
Shenyang would be interested in purchasing 1000 F-78As. We will wire the required sum of: $125,000,000,000 upon confirmation of our order.
Doomingsland
12-01-2005, 00:23
Shenyang, your order is confirmed. To all others ordering aircraft: it is currently available to allies of Doomingsland and Soviet Bloc only. It may or may not go on general export at a later date.
RevertRomance
12-01-2005, 00:38
lets talk production rights for the navy version?
Truitt
12-01-2005, 00:42
Ooooh. A competitor for the Numen V I have...nicely done. But isn't +13 G's a little much?
OOC:
It appears to be the Switchblade (a protype known as theX-4(forgot other number, sorry, lol). I myself based my what I like to call Last Generation Air Superiority Fighter after the Swichblade, Air Spike, and new engine designs that are tested today that can take extreme stresses of over +15gs.

The airframe of the Switchblade is actually said to take around +12gs to +15gs, it is still unknown completely. The materials used to construct the body, overal shape, and so on also contribute and the Switchblade's revolutionary design allows for high stresses. With a little NS technology (in otherwards and extreme of RL) this is very much possable, although becouse of the cockpit (which looks like an Su-33's) I would not say this is a good stealth fighter for high-speed interception, must be an oven in there.

Overall, great design yet agian from SB (takes out a glass of Scotch and hands everyone some in congratulations).
Doomingsland
12-01-2005, 01:25
OOC:I co-designed it too...
Shenyang
12-01-2005, 01:50
Money has been wired.
Soviet Bloc
13-01-2005, 01:26
Bump... Because I don't have anything better to do... I NEED SOMETHING TO DO!! *feels useless*
Hardheads
13-01-2005, 14:12
OOC: Out of curiosity, is this sort of Russian based? I'd like to aquire some, if it is. *only uses Russian style tech, because he likes it more than the western*
Doomingsland
20-01-2005, 01:14
To all others ordering aircraft: it is currently available to allies of Doomingsland and Soviet Bloc only. It may or may not go on general export at a later date.
Also, please see first post where it specifically states the aircraft is only available to allies.
Borman Empire
18-03-2005, 00:00
Borman would be interested in purchasing production rights to this plane.
Einhauser
18-03-2005, 00:08
Holy crap. Is there anyway I can get ahold a few of these?
Soviet Bloc
18-03-2005, 05:45
Well, I wouldn't mind selling to either of you but I'd have to wait for Doomingsland for his voice in the matter... Although, Einhauser, if we were to sell to you, it likely wouldn't be too many, since you're rather young...
The Parthians
18-03-2005, 06:05
OOC: Doom, is this the aircraft being produced by you in Parthia? Because it's absolutley godly.
Axis Nova
18-03-2005, 06:55
Meh. I'm a bit leery of that neural interface thing, seems kinda FT-ish to me...

Looking past all the buzzwords, it doesn't seem to be THAT special. You can only go so far with a human piloted aircraft, after all-- even if the airframe can take incredible stresses, the human body does have it's limit.
Einhauser
18-03-2005, 21:00
Im a bit worried about the nuerl interface thing to. I mean, there is no way that will be done before 2010. Id say this is post modern tech if anything. As for not being able to afford many, that is true. I would only purchase a choice few, for use in the elite squadrons of my airforce.
The Merchant Guilds
18-03-2005, 21:35
OOC: If you produced a VTOL Varient, I would buy it in largeish amounts in a staggered order over several years SB.
Javea
18-03-2005, 21:43
Im a bit worried about the nuerl interface thing to. I mean, there is no way that will be done before 2010. Id say this is post modern tech if anything. As for not being able to afford many, that is true. I would only purchase a choice few, for use in the elite squadrons of my airforce.

Pwn3d (http://news.thescizone.com/archives/000533print.html)

and what's that? (http://www.gizmag.com/go/3503/)

Pwn3d AGAIN? (http://www.cyberkineticsinc.com/content/index.jsp)

;) Sorry, it just annoys me when people don't know wtf is going on in the realm of science. Knowledge is p0w4h y0!
I have similar neural technology being used by a few dozen of Javea's elite special forces for brain-computer interaction. It's still experimental (both irl and in Javea), but improving.
Soviet Bloc
18-03-2005, 21:45
OOC- I'll think about it, TMG, I may be able to...


As for the DNI concerns, its certainly possible before 2020, especially if you have accelerated technology development due to war or emphasis on the military (remember, alot of our current technology today is courtesy of the military). Anyways, its an option, if you don't want it, say so, and you'll get a conventional interface system (HUD, joystick, throttle, helmet-mounted display, whatever it is you want). This is our version of the F-78A, so we use the tech we use... Hope that clears it up some-what.
Doomingsland
18-03-2005, 21:53
Borman, we can give you prod rights for ten billion, Parth, the factory can be set up to produce both varients, should you require.
Axis Nova
18-03-2005, 22:51
I'm still going to cry foul on the neural interface. Restoring communications between nerves in the spine is a far cry from being able to control a highly complex aircraft.
Einhauser
18-03-2005, 22:54
I agree with axis nova, its a big difference. However, that does not mean I dont want the nuerl interface. Since Einhauser is a Post modern tech nation anyway, I might as well make use of it. I just dont think it should be classified as modern tech.
Javea
18-03-2005, 22:55
I'm still going to cry foul on the neural interface. Restoring communications between nerves in the spine is a far cry from being able to control a highly complex aircraft.

"Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh have already demonstrated that a monkey can feed itself with a robotic arm simply by using signals from its brain, an advance that could enhance prosthetics for people, especially those with spinal cord injuries. Now, using the BrainGate system in the current human trials, a 25 year old quadriplegic has successfully been able to switch on lights, adjust the volume on a TV, change channels and read e-mail using only his brain. Crucially, the patient was able to do these tasks while carrying on a conversation and moving his head at the same time."

Who said anything about restoring communications between nerves in the spine?
Einhauser
18-03-2005, 22:57
Javea, when a human can fly a tricked out, super advanced version of the F-22 Raptor in real life without using anything but his brain, then I will agree that it is possible. Until then, forget it.
Javea
18-03-2005, 23:10
Javea, when a human can fly a tricked out, super advanced version of the F-22 Raptor in real life without using anything but his brain, then I will agree that it is possible. Until then, forget it.

You're what's known as a technophobe. :headbang: That, or you're just completely ignorant to what's going on in the scientific world -- I can't say without having met you. I'm an engineering student, so I have to keep up to date on such things.
The technology is there, just because it hasn't been tested in that scenario doesn't mean it can't be done. Nobody (as far as I know...:) ) has launched a vw beetle into space. The technology to do so has been around for almost half a century, but it hasn't been done. Does that make it postmodern?

I do agree that the visual feedback feature presented in the f-78a neural system does not exist today, but from what I've read the "modern" tag applies to anything 2005-2010, for the most part. You have to realize that you're thinking in American terms. If we haven't done it, it can't be done. With millions of nations in nationstates, it's possible that one of them didn't take the conventional American technology tree and instead went for a similar (but slightly different) path. Resulting in the approximation 2005-2010.
Einhauser
18-03-2005, 23:22
Perhaps i am thinking in "american" terms. However, I do realize that there is a lot of time between now and 2010. If all the countries in the world devoted all of their money to one end, well hell, we could invent a deathray to blow up mars or something. As for being a technophobe, well that is probably the worst insult I have ever recieved. I am so immersed in technology 24 horus a a day that I barly have time for people anymore. Just because i have not heard or (or belive in) this "nueral interface" technology, does not mean I am a technophobe. Like I said before, I wont belive it unless i see it with my own 2 eyes.
Soviet Bloc
19-03-2005, 00:11
OOC- Well, the technology is here... We already can interperet brain signals and electrical pulses to effectively use that to control other objects. Bring this to the next level and combine it with a super computer and you can control a mass of objects with the fluidity as if it were your own body parts, albeit it'd get confusing (hence why we have two crew).

The visual feed back is a supplement... All it does is that it takes information gleaned from the computer, translate it to minute electrical pulses, and light up the neurons in the visual area of the brain. If I'm not mistaken, they've managed to let a blind man see light that way, just white light (and other basic colors). Not sure though, although I thought I had seen or heard it somewhere.

As for the modern tech issue, I consider it up to about 2020. Many people like to say I'm post modern, and I can agree, some, if not alot, of my technology could be considered post modern to some degree (and some even say futuristic). Anyways, I take into consideration a few different variables when I decide where my tech is (the variables often differ from most people). I consider that my nation is larger, and more capable of research... I also consider that I have a more military-geared research program which yields new military technology. If I think of something and reason that it could be accomplished, then I'll use it.

Remember, tech development doesn't always have to go along a nice, slow pace... Every so often, you get a break-through, which jumps you ahead... Never know.
Einhauser
19-03-2005, 00:20
OOC Well, argueing about tech is nice, but ive got to get off the computer soon, so I gotta know, can I buy a few of these?

IC If it is possible, Einhauser would like to purchase 10 of your wonderful (and quite lovely looking) Sokols to act as a reward for our top-scoring ace's. They must all be outfitted for carrier use.
Soviet Bloc
19-03-2005, 00:39
"Due to the small size of the order, and the size of your nation, and its particular environment, we feel we can bypass Doomingsland's say in the matter and grant the order. The ten aircraft will be sent immediately from a current forty-aircraft stockpile. We thank you for the order, and hope you enjoy the aircraft..."

Thank you,
Sergei Ruslov
-Director of Foreign Sales, Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
Einhauser
19-03-2005, 00:42
Thank you for your cooperation. Moeny will be wired as they arive.
Borman Empire
19-03-2005, 18:31
Borman, we can give you prod rights for ten billion, Parth, the factory can be set up to produce both varients, should you require.

Money wired...Now! Thank you for doign business.
Tyrandis
19-03-2005, 18:51
OOC: Ummm... How would doubling the explosion's power in a PDET serve any useful purpose, other than destroying your engines?

That minor issue aside, I'd like to say that this is probably the best aircraft ever developed on NS... very, very nice.
Soviet Bloc
20-03-2005, 01:59
OOC- I had a long explanation for it that I had told to someone off-NS, however, I forgot to save it so I won't bother. Anyways, yes, it'll blow up the aircraft and vaporize everything short of the nose cone when it does, however, its useful for about eight seconds (max) before that happens. So, if you need a short burst, fire away, but be careful of the consequences, you forget to disengage it and you'll be flashboiled, along with the rest of the aircraft. Anyways, its on there because it may be useful, although you'll probably never want to use it any ways. So if you don't like it, then don't use it, lol...

Otherwise, thank you for the compliments, they're appreciated greatly.