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Now that i realize it, I should have posted my last post in here. Sorry.

You better be sorry. Joking.

I was thinking of the vans with two benches in the back vertically parallel with the sides of the van.

Ex: [l l]

Key: [ or ] (Van sides)

l (Benches)

And while it may have benches to be able to fit as many people as you say, don't forget these men are bulkier than usual because of their special equipment. Also don't forget the fact you'd need room to pick up other suspects, unless there were 10-13 people guarding one person.

Do you seriously need 10-13 soldiers, special soldiers no less, to guard one unarmed civilian? Does it take that many highly qualified troops to pick up and guard one person? I mean, are you telling me that the other many vans in the city to pick up suspects have 13 troops in each of them to pick up one person each? If not, i don't know how many others can fit into any of those vans.

Unless its a "clown van". ;)

I was thinking of the vans with two benches in the back vertically parallel with the sides of the van.

Ex: [l l]

Key: [ or ] (Van sides)

l (Benches)

And while it may have benches to be able to fit as many people as you say, don't forget these men are bulkier than usual because of their special equipment. Also don't forget the fact you'd need room to pick up other suspects, unless there were 10-13 people guarding one person.

Do you seriously need 10-13 soldiers, special soldiers no less, to guard one unarmed civilian? Does it take that many highly qualified troops to pick up and guard one person? I mean, are you telling me that the other many vans in the city to pick up suspects have 13 troops in each of them to pick up one person each? If not, i don't know how many others can fit into any of those vans.

Unless its a "clown van". ;)

Now that I think about it, this was a different van than the one that picked up the traitors there. Read back to the post right before the take down of Emma and you'll see. I can't believe I forgot that. So the officer you shot wasn't the secret police Captain from that operation, Folosov. This van was either on special assignment trying to pick up Emma specifically or was carrying enforcers to a specific hotspot. Thus the unusually high quantity. I also believe this would be considered more of a truck than a van. The vans are mostly for small operations, but something like an armored car that carries payrolls and money to and from banks is what we're talking about for moving enforcers from place to place. None of them are distinctly military vehicles either. Most are created specifically for their purposes, but are generally heavily modified civilian vehicles outfitted for police work.

I'll get on that IC post, but I'm really busy this week and next getting ready for, and taking midterms, so I might be slower than usual. I'm also working on the thread with Sarzonia, and trying to cram in posts with a second nation I'm trying to get started up.

[|-|] I imagined that with teh extra row. Room for 13 people, but only 10 people at most.

Now that I think about it, this was a different van than the one that picked up the traitors there. Read back to the post right before the take down of Emma and you'll see. I can't believe I forgot that. So the officer you shot wasn't the secret police Captain from that operation, Folosov. This van was either on special assignment trying to pick up Emma specifically or was carrying enforcers to a specific hotspot. Thus the unusually high quantity. I also believe this would be considered more of a truck than a van. The vans are mostly for small operations, but something like an armored car that carries payrolls and money to and from banks is what we're talking about for moving enforcers from place to place. None of them are distinctly military vehicles either. Most are created specifically for their purposes, but are generally heavily modified civilian vehicles outfitted for police work.

I just have a question.

Doesn't having a "bank van" or armored car just scream out "Look it's the Army!" a mile away? If I lived in your country I think it'd be quite obvious that the big armored van next to me is a government vehicle. Don't you think the BLA would be on the lookout for armored vans?

If they saw one heading right for them (and I'm guessing it wouldn't be hard) somehow I'd get the feeling they wouldn't be a surprised as you RPed them, such as how they were in the brothel.

I don't really care anymore, though. I just thought I'd ask.

I just have a question.

Doesn't having a "bank van" or armored car just scream out "Look it's the Army!" a mile away? If I lived in your country I think it'd be quite obvious that the big armored van next to me is a government vehicle. Don't you think the BLA would be on the lookout for armored vans?

If they saw one heading right for them (and I'm guessing it wouldn't be hard) somehow I'd get the feeling they wouldn't be a surprised as you RPed them, such as how they were in the brothel.

I don't really care anymore, though. I just thought I'd ask.

The GIIS or GICE is not being very discreet when they're moving their people in one of those trucks. Basically that means that they have a target and are moving there as fast as possible. If you have time to see the truck, basically you know you're already fucked, because the GIIS knows where you are, who you are, where you're going, what you're doing, and your mother's maiden name, and they're going to take you down.

The brothel wasn't hit by one of the trucks, however mind you. That was a discreet sting in which an unmarked van or even a series of cars was used to transport them. The GICE also moves very quickly, and gives little time to anyone to react. By the time they see the van, even if they recognize it, they have no time to react, as the building is sealed and the enforcers and agents are pouring throuhg the front door. It's a horrendously efficient instrument. As the majority of the Empire runs on the strength of her intelligence service, and her secret police, and have spent decades crafting these organizations into what they are today, you have to realize that there are going to be very few loose ends.

Actually they were in an armoured clown car.

The GIIS or GICE is not being very discreet when they're moving their people in one of those trucks. Basically that means that they have a target and are moving there as fast as possible. If you have time to see the truck, basically you know you're already fucked, because the GIIS knows where you are, who you are, where you're going, what you're doing, and your mother's maiden name, and they're going to take you down.

The brothel wasn't hit by one of the trucks, however mind you. That was a discreet sting in which an unmarked van or even a series of cars was used to transport them. The GICE also moves very quickly, and gives little time to anyone to react. By the time they see the van, even if they recognize it, they have no time to react, as the building is sealed and the enforcers and agents are pouring throuhg the front door. It's a horrendously efficient instrument. As the majority of the Empire runs on the strength of her intelligence service, and her secret police, and have spent decades crafting these organizations into what they are today, you have to realize that there are going to be very few loose ends.

Well, I am sorry I wasn't clear before, so i made up a fake little dialogue to illustrate my point.

BLA inflitrator in the GICE: "Dude a whole series of vans left HQ."

BLA Man: "Thanks"

or

Random guy on street corner: "Dude a whole series of GICE vans and cars are heading to your location. And an armoured clown car. Your screwed"

BLA Man: "Thanks."

"BLA Neo look alike: Hey did anyone see that?"

"BLA Trinity look alike: "What?"

"BLA Neo look alike: "I saw one cat walk by and then another one that looked exactly like it."

"BLA Trinity look alike: " How much like it? Did it look exactly the same?"

"BLA Neo look alike: "yeah."

"BLA Trinity look alike: "Shit!"

"BLA Neo look alike: "what?"

"BLA Trintiy look alike: "Deja vu."

*a whole bunch of SWAT burst in with agents*

Long story short, the BLA (although I can't represent them) probably have informants all over the place. And lots of slow-motion special effects and spiffy trenchcoats. And a savior of mankind from evil virtual agents.

Long story short, the BLA (although I can't represent them) probably have informants all over the place. And lots of slow-motion special effects and spiffy trenchcoats. And a savior of mankind from evil virtual agents.

Well, that's a given. All underground freedom fighter organizations fighting against evil, tyranny, and/or oppression have lots of slow-motion special effects and spiffy trench coats, but you're underestimating the intelligence of GICE. In a successful sting, there are agents working not only undercover in the location, but on foot, around the area in trees across the street, in closets, under beds, exceptionally small agents in the boots of large men, and all other manner of secret, discreet locations. Basically, by the time the operation goes down, the building is sealed like a vice, and the enforcers are only there to handle anything messy.

You're also overestimating the BLA. While they might have informants, these men don't have the extensive electronic equipment that GIIS takes for granted. As you said in one of your posts, your listening post is an outdated set of computers and radios. While the BLA is disguised among the people, and have their informants, even the word, er, letters GICE strike terror into the hearts of Buchianan citizenry, and through this fear, a good GIIS or GICE agent can recruit his own informants to inform on the information of the inoformants and who they're informing with that information.

Gah! Cramp! *Ack*

"Did you say an armoured clown car?"

"Yes."

"I wonder if they have pie."

Well, that's a given. All underground freedom fighter organizations fighting against evil, tyranny, and/or oppression have lots of slow-motion special effects and spiffy trench coats, but you're underestimating the intelligence of GICE. In a successful sting, there are agents working not only undercover in the location, but on foot, around the area in trees across the street, in closets, under beds, exceptionally small agents in the boots of large men, and all other manner of secret, discreet locations. Basically, by the time the operation goes down, the building is sealed like a vice, and the enforcers are only there to handle anything messy.

You're also overestimating the BLA. While they might have informants, these men don't have the extensive electronic equipment that GIIS takes for granted. As you said in one of your posts, your listening post is an outdated set of computers and radios. While the BLA is disguised among the people, and have their informants, even the word, er, letters GICE strike terror into the hearts of Buchianan citizenry, and through this fear, a good GIIS or GICE agent can recruit his own informants to inform on the information of the inoformants and who they're informing with that information.

Gah! Cramp! *Ack*

By outdated I don't necessarily mean old, the computers are only at most five years old, not twenty. And dont forget that since new technology is usually implemented by the military first, in terms of commercial technology, its not that old at all.

A five year old listening bug is just as good as a new one.

And technology isn't all that great. Troops still get slammed by suicide car bombs everyday in Iraq while in APCs and still die. No amount of intelligence or technology has either prevented these attacks beforehand or stopped these from happening.

I don't really care who is right or wrong at this point, however, because we're going to get wrapped up in something totally different than the original post, which I think we've all forgotten (a resistance struggle anyone?).

I think we should get back to Rping soon.

So did Emma get away or are we going to start where the men got shot?

So did Emma get away or are we going to start where the men got shot?

Being that I looked in and saw Emma I left the option open for multiple scenarios.

In other words, go with your heart's desires.

I actually found that discussion quite interesting, but you're right. The purpose of this is RPing, so let's get back to it. Yes, I believe Emma did get away, assisted by your agent, whose name I have unfortunately forgotten and do not have the time to look up.

All right, Ill say my men were basically dazed and confused, along with wounded.

All right, Ill say my men were basically dazed and confused, along with wounded.

Alright I'll post tonight.

And my guys are still waiting for the rebel prisoner to say something *nudges GE*

Boo

i'm posting right now in the IC thread. (If you still check the OOC thread)

Nice post Novgova. I'll get to posting later this week. Maybe tomorrow night if I'm lucky.

One thing to note though. The Imperial Praetorians are more or less bred in captivity (barracks communities to be described in detail in the post-Sarzonian war RP), and so are nearly impossible to turn, unless they're convinced by a bigtime Generian demagogue. They more or less owe everything to the Praetorian Guard as an institution, and are fiercely nationalistic and loyal to Emperor Antonius, so a coup among them is more or less an impossibility.

The Imperial regulars, especially the lower ones on guard duty in Buchiana, however, are a better target for subversion. Like you said, there are a few desperate non-BLA Buchianans who seeped into the ranks to get money to feed their families after the destruction of their homeland. The reglar Generians who have been there for a while might also begin to see it as not worth it, so you were pretty much right on there.

Just wanted you to note the distinction between the Praetorian Guard and the Imperial regular army.

I did know the distinction between the Praetorains and regulars. I was talking about the regulars. And even as mentioned by Issaic himself, any coup would be destined to fail; why a seemingly unimportant written off vendetta has attracted so many high ranking people and is a drain on money; hence why something's fishy in the Novgovan government. Any coup, should it happen, wouldn't do squat. Too little people would join or be loyal enough to the cause to abandon Generia, even if they are just regulars.

I did know the distinction between the Praetorains and regulars. I was talking about the regulars. And even as mentioned by Issaic himself, any coup would be destined to fail; why a seemingly unimportant written off vendetta has attracted so many high ranking people and is a drain on money; hence why something's fishy in the Novgovan government. Any coup, should it happen, wouldn't do squat. Too little people would join or be loyal enough to the cause to abandon Generia, even if they are just regulars.

Yeah, I figured you knew. Just in case, though. Now you have me intrigued.

Not just you. But I need an IC update from GE so I can see what to do.

IC update coming as soon as possible, I promise. I'm thinking that if I decide to turn this into a second (successful) war for independence, which is where I'm leaning, I'll make a new thread so this can serve as the diplomatic follow up. Cool with you guys?

No, why make it successful? But other than that yeah.

Whatever, you guys want. I'm just along for the ride.

So then its going in a new thread.

I guess.