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((ooc chatter for A Rip in Dimensions))

huh?

so nothing we do in the other thread affects the "real earth" we exist on in NS. cool. Free license (sp?) in Russia! w00t. Sorry. Got carried away.

I think you should have put this in I.I. so we can find it easier.

I didn't know where to put it, so I just put it here.

so, we still need some players then, for like Russia, USA, Japan, and China.

any other nations that we should include in the world powers? I was thinking about changing the history a bit. Keep the major players, but make it a bit different to show its a different earth. Maybe call it Urth or some shite like that.

Okay, let me explain my idea for another side-story.
Green Sun, in its early years, was attacked by its counterpart in another dimension. So, after Black Sun was defeated, Green Sun has been monitoring dimensional rifts on Earth and its planets, as well as its allies. When one rift monitor found a change in them, Green Sun sent out scouts to find out what was going on. Cargo One found what was wrong. It kinda twists into my own timelines^^. Anyway, due to your nation's interference in the past between Mexico and the USA messed up the timeline, so one of my other accounts, United CUltures, lead the Republic to victory against the Galactic Empire (This did NOT happen in NationStates.), so they eventually took control of most of the Earth except for Western USA were you had taken. They left you alone. But then Black Sun attacked Green Sun, but lost interest and left to invade UC and won. Now they're pounding at your area and Green Sun is going to send aid.

I have my ideas for the 1841 timeline, as well.

Is this okay?

So far, I'm thinking we can pretty much settle on a couple claims.

So far, I've pretty much gotten Mexico and Germany, and have plans with acquiring Brazil as well and consolidating South America. Just working on my history of German attitudes, I'd be thinking they'd take over Europe as soon as they get the chance.

Slinao appears to be assisting Japan / China and America, and Malkyer seems intent upon Russia.

So that leaves africa...

EDITED TO ADD: Oh, and we need this thread moved to International Incidents at earliest opportunity, if possible.

Okay, let me explain my idea for another side-story.
Green Sun, in its early years, was attacked by its counterpart in another dimension. So, after Black Sun was defeated, Green Sun has been monitoring dimensional rifts on Earth and its planets, as well as its allies. When one rift monitor found a change in them, Green Sun sent out scouts to find out what was going on. Cargo One found what was wrong. It kinda twists into my own timelines^^. Anyway, due to your nation's interference in the past between Mexico and the USA messed up the timeline, so one of my other accounts, United CUltures, lead the Republic to victory against the Galactic Empire (This did NOT happen in NationStates.), so they eventually took control of most of the Earth except for Western USA were you had taken. They left you alone. But then Black Sun attacked Green Sun, but lost interest and left to invade UC and won. Now they're pounding at your area and Green Sun is going to send aid.

I have my ideas for the 1841 timeline, as well.

Is this okay?


What if Black Sun wasn't completly destroyed and they picked up on the rip being opened, and opened their own, seeing it as a chance to slip in under the radar and plan an invasion of Green Sun again, this time trying to gain the advantage of having another world under there control. They didn't expect so much involvement and so they dropped down into Africa, a place that little was going on during the whole of the conflict as well as a place filled with resources and very little Civilizations.

Green sun picked up on it though, because they had been monitoring for rips and sent in a recon team, and found them already setting up a strong defensive, and knowing their tech, Green Sun used some quick attacks to stunt them, perhaps becoming a player in the game as well?

just ideas that is

Boot.

Black Sun was completely dissolved after it left Green Sun due to a huge civil war. Its army had broken off from teh goverment and went to the rebels and then it was split into different parts. But due to the time change, it never dissolved and only grew stronger. And maybe in order to set things strait, Green Sun finds the oppertunity to send a representive to Africa to stop the change in timeline.

Wow. One war leads to a potential other. My nation at this time would not know what is going on in Slinao. It's still dealing with the last military campaign on Earth. 200 lost ships is nothing to sneeze at.

isn't that the way with wars? lol

Bah, don't worry DLE... he's going against me now. I've been wanting a good chance at an RP for a while. Though the Timeline stuff Green Sun is doing will prolly be a tad confusing for me to follow.

It'll make sense. What we're trying to do is stop all this from happening according to the history books. Commander Jones will be sent to Slinao and sent back in time and makes passage to Africa to get help. Knowing they'd stand no chance against the other nation's automatic weapons, he used his knowlege from College to whip up some pretty fancy stuff, at the cost of lack of automobiles.

Oh, I'm not worried. I'm enjoying the read.

But I do have a Shivan threat I will soon be dealing with, so I have an OOC reason for not being involved.

Wait wait wait... This thing is taking place in an entirely new dimension. What happens there wouldn't affect the Prime Reality.

While I'm all for people coming into the RP, we're mixing up premises here. Dimension shifts aren't time-travel. At the very least, it should wait until after the whole brouhaha is over to introduce this whole Black-Sun thing. As it would be setting up two entirely different plotlines in one thread, and that would clutter the poor thing up beyond all recognition. We need to keep it readable, folks.

http://www.geocities.com/infinitespeckofperplexion/Slinao/Military/Tanks.htm


hover tanks that I just used in the thread.

Here's my basic plan for my stranded fleet; I want to know what you guys think.

Step 1. Consolidate Russia and Alaska.
Step 2. Secure Persia (Iran) and Black Sea Ports.
Step 3. Expand into eastern Europe or North America, wherever resistance is least.

This is naturally open to be affected by the actions of other players, and it will take awhile, given Russia's population restrictions, but I think it would be interesting to counterbalance Godular's influence in Germany and Slinao in the USA. What do you think?

sounds pretty balanced on world break down. Slinao taking up interest in the Orient, US, and Austrailian Islands. Godular seems intent on Mexico, Europe and South America. Then Malkyer going into Russia, Alaska, and Middle East. And the Green Sun conflict picking up on Africa.

Okay, here's how Green Sun is going to do stuff in the PAST. This story happens after 1841 in 2026 when Slinao and Green Sun are fighting Black Sun together, which is back because of the interference with time. It's ALL ABOUT TIME TRAVEL. Read Bob and George.
Anyway, Commander Jones goes BACK IN TIME just as the base explodes and gathers up an army in Africa to use as something to fill his threats that if Slinao, Godular, and Malkyer doesn't pull out and set things the way history wote it.
And the European war is blamed on France.

what? I'm afraid I don't understand.

This is all happening because Slinao appeared in 1841 and Godular figured out how they did it. The war sparks and it causes all these things to happen which ends up SLinao and Green Sun fighting a nation I created, but not officially, called Black Sun, which was destroyed after it invaded Green Sun, but due to the changes made, it's still around. So Green SUn sends a representitive to the past to change it to the way everything was.
It makes sense, really.

Ok, so in the furture Black Sun attacks, and Slinao and Green Sun are allies in it. To try and stop these, Green Sun is sending someone back to prevent their rise in the alternate Urth that Slinao has tapped into. To do this something must be done to prevent black sun from getting a foothold in africa.

I think a bit of ironing is needed here. I'll do a side thread to take care of Africa to eliminate Black Sun with green sun. Then I'll just update what happened in the African front and have Green sun join into the Rip thread. That way the storylines don't get too garbled up, but everyone can have a piece of the cake.

Since no one is into Africa at this time, its not going to upset anything right now, and will let Green Sun get his storyline worked out and kosher to what the thread is going.

Black Sun was never in Africa. They came and invaded Green Sun in the future, but, seeing that there were bigger fish they could fry, they went after everone else. Commander Jones and countless others in Green Sun remember what the history books they wrote said but also everything the interference with the past has caused. Commander Jones wants everything back to normal because in this timeline, Earnest Equanant, the president of Green Sun, was shot and he was a close friend of Jones. Let's just say Green SUn is going to be the ones that fix everything.

ok, in the "future" they attacked Green Sun and they got taken out. Then, because Sliano opened a rip to another diemension, not to the past, they picked it up and came after us instead?

that doesn't really go with what I wanted to have in this thread, and I don't think its what others were looking at. What I would think that would make more sense in this thread would be that Black Sun picked up the rip and sent out an expansion force to Africa, a place where there is little to pick them up, and they would be out of sight so they could act and plan things out. This was picked up by Green Sun and they were sent out to put an end to them before they gained power again. Sending Green Sun to Slinao for help, since they opened up the Rip. Then Slinao can help Green Sun drop into Africa, either trading them some of their own weapons, or or Green Sun can bring their own, and taking the Remnants of Black Sun out.

another thing, do any of you people have messengers? That way we could talk in person. I know that Yahoo, AIM, and MSN messengers allow for multiple people to talk at once.

If you are afraid of telling me/us your emails or IDs, can always make one for us to work with, or make one of those MSN comms for this. That way we can keep up a bit faster, and help with communication problems.

Hmm. But I thought this was all in 1841? Regardless of which dimension it's in, you're still meddling wit the past, which affected the Green Sun/Black Sun war. So it works out. Let's just say that it's an alternate Green Sun.

AIM jarofflies 2594

I won't be on until 4:30ish tomorrow, though (US Eastern).

so, what you're saying is that you want me to have a slinao, regional slinao, and a future slinao? and that your person is going back in time to stop it all from happening, by stopping the rips? or stopping black sun? or what?

I think it would work better if you come back in time with a limited amout of resources, and you stop black sun from taking a hold here, but in the process you get stuck and lose your time traveling. Thus forceing you to take a hold in the new dimension, until you can find a way to either link yourself back to the furture, or make the new Green Sun its own force.

That way we don't bring time slips and dimension slips all into one thread. Kinda keeps the bumps down, and helps with all parties involved from getting lost or confused, much like I am starting to get.

AIM jarofflies 2594

I won't be on until 4:30ish tomorrow, though (US Eastern).

mine is crazyrichardson on aim

I'm stopping the rifts and trying to get you guys to stop fighting.

I'm stopping the rifts and trying to get you guys to stop fighting.
but that would only make you an enemy to all parties I would think...cause everyone is kinda set on things right now. Though it could still lead to a lessened war..but I don't think that would make as much sense. Slinao is on a mission to make itself stronger after being shown that big eyes are watching, and is trying to show that its a force to be recognized as well, even though they lack the tech or the numbers to back the act.

Godular didn't like Slinao's attitude with them, and so deployed forces to stop them from spreading their Tyrannic rule onto this new Urth. So I could see Green Sun joining sides with them, but I don't see where it would matter much, and it would still push for war.

Malkyer is still an unknown factor in this though I don't see any reason for them joining up either.

So based on all that, I would see Green Sun stopping the rips as a weak link in the storyline, and wouldn't be lived out that much. Unless they played a part in trapping everyone from sending in more stuff, like I had suggested earlier. That way the New Urth thread continues, and no rips, so it stops Black Sun

The way I understand it is the term "Time Displacement". Some dimensions are different from others because of differing events, others are different because they happen at different times.

For my purposes, its assumed that for this Dimension, the universe just had the unfortunate circumstance of being created 160 years later than usual. I.E. it has a Time Displacement of 160 years, making its Modern Day essentially the 1840s (from RL time, anyway). Events taking place in that universe would have no bearing upon the events of the prime universe, and vice versa.

Whether or not the universe just so happens to be in the historical equivalent of the 1840s, for that world, that is the present day with respect to the prime.

The way it worked for our entry is that we ARE an interdimensional empire. We had sensors set up for when somebody else tried to pull something like we could, so we were first to spot the Slinaoan Rifts to another world, and decided to act, and realized exactly where they were going. We simply pulled a Direct Transit and commenced operations.

Also... I kinda hate messing with other time periods in the prime universe. Too many paradoxes to mess with. Some of my tech might be hard to believe, but the one thing I don't mess with is time travel.

Yes, I agree, I don't like the use of Time Travel and such, too many well if you didn't then this would happen or since you did this you really didn't and all that bs. I would think a much better view on it would be

Green Sun picks on extra Dimensional travel and they are afraid that its Black Sun, they respond by sending delegates, or what not, to Slinao. They find out that its a different nations using the Rips, and perhaps set up some sort of alliance to use the technology. That way the could use the tech to defend against any threat of being attacked from an alternate dimension, in case Black Sun had survied, or if there was another Black Sun out there.

Or they drop into the new Urth Dimension and see that happenings and are afraid of something happening like what happend with them and Black Sun, so they set out to prevent one party over another or some said stuff.

These are just ideas, though I think they fit better with the current RP.

OOC: There's not to much for me to do but cool my heels here unti lyou get deeper into Mexico when the Mexican troops take up arms as well. Id just like to make a note, you said something about the Mexican/California border. THere is no more a Mexico/California border now than there is a US/Virginia border. In RL at this point Mexico would still own California, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and parts of Colorado. In this time, however, We also have Texas which is texas today and a good deal of Oklahoma, including the entire panhandle.

I was calling it that for two reasons, for the sake of knowing where I'm talking about, as well as denoteing the territory, since California was named such by the mexicans. Also, since its one year before America crossed the Rocky mountains into Colorado, its not that hard for people to cross into this region, although my nation has already sealed off the usabel mountain passes.

The drive of the Regional Slinao government is to push any mexican government out of California as we know it, and perhaps push into Baja California as well. They are interested in the gold in the region as well as the farming soil. Also the mountains pervide for a better defensive, and isolation of the new nation, keeping interference to a minimal.

Also with the introduction of the M-16s Natives wouldn't stand a very good chance against the Americans. Since the americans have the ability to produce these weapons they will quickly put down any Native Americans. Since the french provided the natives with their guns, they wouldn't have the m-16 and would be out gunned even faster then irl.

Also, my forces in California have already opened fire on the mexican government, and have sent out intel officers to the local Dons, playing off their greed to secure their support of the new government. The nation of SlinaoCalifornia is well underway, as is the Slinao alliance with the Americans. Europe will be driven into a war due to the attacks there, and after seeing the same "beasts" with the Mexicans, would probally fight against the Mexicans, if they could supply additonal weapons and troops, though their own war seems to be the most likely choice rather then one across the ocean.

Its important to note, however, that Germany bought a whole lot more Cougars than we offered to Mexico (Edited to Add: And Growing!!!). They have a Cougar core some two-thousand strong, and by my reckoning, by this time they've already whacked a good portion of Western Europe short of Britain and maybe Spain.

This assumption is operating under the premise that Slinao hasn't supplied arms to Europe, and that Napoleon's misbegotten foray into russia should still be relatively fresh on the minds of Europe in general. Not quite certain of timelines though.

Beyond that, yes, there will likely be no european allies on any side until Germany has overpowered Europe with its Cougars.

Now as for Malkyer. Heeeeeee's gonna be having difficulties with the Japanese pulling stuff near his domain, seeing as Slinao supplied them with M-16s as well. The Germans will likely start sending stuff over to whatever holdings they have in Southeast Asia in order to consolidate their power over in that neck of the woods as well, likely to find it overrun by japs with gats. Whereupon MORE crap hits the fan.

Now as for Malkyer. Heeeeeee's gonna be having difficulties with the Japanese pulling stuff near his domain, seeing as Slinao supplied them with M-16s as well. The Germans will likely start sending stuff over to whatever holdings they have in Southeast Asia in order to consolidate their power over in that neck of the woods as well, likely to find it overrun by japs with gats. Whereupon MORE crap hits the fan.

That's way I'm going to try to hold off the Germans (as it's the 1840s, I assume you mean Prussia; Germany wasn't created until 1871) by making some kind of treaty, I'll figure that out in the IC thread. Then I can devote my resources to fighting the Japanese. With the tech and experience of my soldiers and the numbers of the Russians, I'm hoping I can pull off some kind of victory Zhukov-esque victory in Siberia. Of course, these developments have pretty much ruined my idea of coming into North America by way of Russian Alaska and attacking Slinao, but, there isn't much I can do about it.

And Godular, can you tell me anything about these Cougars of yours? Basically what I want to know is if they can attack stuff in the air.

The Cougars can't fly, but their assault cannons can fire at airborne targets up to and including about 12 miles distant. They also have a somewhat rudimentary mass-based radar systam active on them at all times, so they can see threats at a range of about 50 miles, they also have a consistent uplink with the orbital fleet to further amplify their Madar.

You haven't met the StarSpiders yet, so when they start coming around to assist in laying waste to the Japanese, its gonna be sorta like an 1840s episode of Godzilla x12. Only... the StarSpiders seem to enjoy hurling mutilated bodies into fortified encampments.

I.E. Slinao is about to experience what happens when they piss off a Nation tied to forces that make even Chaos and the Warp look like Spongebob Squarepants.

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To Slinao: Disintegrator Cannons (Our Protium Arc Guns) are essentially the rudimentary version of what we call "Fusion Bombs in a Beam". They aren't as powerful as an actual bomb, but when they strike, the explosions are quite large. Rate of fire isn't so hot though, and accuracy is an issue, as line of sight is important. However, when the actual blast takes anything within a 100 foot radius of the impact point and burns it to a crisp, accuracy doesn't really matter.

They are essentially the Godulan version of Heavy Artillery.

And we've just sighted your Californian forces.

Yes, I agree, I don't like the use of Time Travel and such, too many well if you didn't then this would happen or since you did this you really didn't and all that bs. I would think a much better view on it would be

Green Sun picks on extra Dimensional travel and they are afraid that its Black Sun, they respond by sending delegates, or what not, to Slinao. They find out that its a different nations using the Rips, and perhaps set up some sort of alliance to use the technology. That way the could use the tech to defend against any threat of being attacked from an alternate dimension, in case Black Sun had survied, or if there was another Black Sun out there.

Or they drop into the new Urth Dimension and see that happenings and are afraid of something happening like what happend with them and Black Sun, so they set out to prevent one party over another or some said stuff.

These are just ideas, though I think they fit better with the current RP.
It's all quantum physics, I'll figure it out.

Its not too important, seems Slinao is going to be out of the picture fast anyways, two FT nations against a slightly better then MT nation isn't much of a fight. I'll do what damage I can, though it doesn't seem to be much.

Just so you know... we kinda walked in with an overwhelming force in the first place.

For instance, you just fired five missiles at a 4.4km long dreadnought far enough away to react efficiently. As well as five missiles at the Mexican headquarters.

I prolly should have mentioned one thing. The Dawnrunner isn't the only ship there. It comes complete with five 1km battleships, 10 cannon cruisers, 10 support carriers, a few torpedo boats, and a complement of some 300 fighters total. So while you may mildly inconvenience the DawnRunner for a while, you have all those other vessels to worry about.

Still gotta be a good sport and at least take a minor shakeup on the flagship. And I guess I'll haveta start revving up the vaccinations...

two FT nations against a slightly better then MT nation isn't much of a fight.

I'm not truly FT myself, just Near-Future. But, yeah, I see what you're saying.

I'm kinda feeling guilty through all this. I was kinda hoping at least *ONE* person would show up that would work as an ally for Slinao.

Maybe if you somehow lowered the effectiveness of your StarSpiders and Cougars, that would even the odds a little.

I can't. I had both their stats laid down in concrete a while back. I was deliberately holding them back from doing a full-on attack in order to try balancing things out, though, but I have to balance that with the fact that Godulans do NOT like protracted conflicts...

Right now, General Corbox, high commander of the Defense Directorate, is thinking something along the lines of "We said we wouldn't care if they just took an uninhabited world instead. WHY DIDN'T THEY LISTEN?"

I'm thinking about having the second fleet send in an ultimatum to Prime Universe Slinao.

Think abou this though, you just put this technology in the hands of both Mexico and Prussia. Prussia is probably making a unified German state quite a bit early and occupying most of Europe to boot. How long till they turn to Russia? The original purpose is gone since Mexico can handle the U.S. with your technology. Japan has modern tech in the 1840's because of Slinao With Mexico as the dominant force in north America, could this not be WW2 in a warped sort of ways many decades too early? Think about it. Germany is conquering Europe, except for England you said, so it is Germany and Japan versus Russia, England, and Mexico in place of the U.S. possibly. This could really develope so many ways. Even if the "Axis" is defeated, maybe a cold war to follow? Who knows, there are tons of possibilities.

On a side note, Japan should net yet have imperialistic tendencies. It was a reclusive nation until Perry opened it up in the 1850's. Are we changing that for RP's sake with the excuse of alterations (just like Mexico owning Texas)? If so I could see the world war thing working out well, because Japan will do what it can to gain a foothold in Asia, though I think they would go for Korea first. If not, then Germany is essentially against everyone else and that will end quickly as well.

I think that sounds interesting. But I'll wait to see what the others have to say about it.

That would actually be a cool scenario. It'll prolly develop into an aftermath RP to fix what I started, and THAT will be the fun part. Both the Germans and the Mexicans working on figuring out how to reproduce the Cougars and eventually turning on each other in some sort of warped World War...

That would be so fun to watch...

And hell... I'm already thinking about having Admiral Shaw shot for negligence because he wanted to make this conflict "Sporting" and putting Godulan Technology into the hands of people too technologically immature to work with it responsibly. Keep in mind I haven't mentioned Cassius yet in the RP, he's about to make an appearance and chew Corbox the hell out for the whole fiasco.

sounds kewl here too. I wish we could get one more person to control the Urth Countries. We seem to be keeping to only 4, and I think 5 or 6 would be a better number. I'll see if I can't find some maps to edit to show the country models that we are running with. I'll post a link when I get them. If anyone else can find any, then go for it.

You may have to play as Japan...

So, lets do a roll call of people that want to praticipate in this fooked up 1840 Urth World Upset thread.


these are the major Nations in the conflict:

USA
Mexico
Central and South America
Russia
Japanese Empire
Prussian Empire
Western Europe
Middle East
Africa

also I think we need to populate a list of weapons that have been released upon the populace as well as what kind of populations we will be looking at in each area of the world.

I think it's safe to say that Russia is pretty much in my control. By proxy the Middle East as well, unless someone in Europe or Africa gets a military force there.

I don't know the exact populations of those areas, but Russia was (and still is) the biggest European country, so do you think 140 million is too big? The Soviet Union was about 250 million in the eighties, and that country comprised most of the territory of the Russian Empire. As for weapons and tech, my Russians basically just have modern rifles (X-19s, the Malkyeri version of the M-16) and whatever other tech I had on my ships when they arrived.

I think it's safe to say that Russia is pretty much in my control. By proxy the Middle East as well, unless someone in Europe or Africa gets a military force there.

I don't know the exact populations of those areas, but Russia was (and still is) the biggest European country, so do you think 140 million is too big? The Soviet Union was about 250 million in the eighties, and that country comprised most of the territory of the Russian Empire. As for weapons and tech, my Russians basically just have modern rifles (X-19s, the Malkyeri version of the M-16) and whatever other tech I had on my ships when they arrived.

Numbers sound good to me. Weapons sound good too. Seeing as how this Urth has a bit of a different history we don't have to get too touchy about the facts, as long as they fit. I'm not sure what to say for the Japanese Empire though. I'm going to have to find some stats on it. As well as for China. I think I might just make the Japanese Empire the same as the Chinese Empire.

I was also thinking about Africa having some sort of coming together now that Europe is engulfed in turmoil, though I don't think it would be too strong of one, based on RL info.

OOC:

I'm still interested, but to be honest, I don't know how to deal with FT nations yet.

My nation's pretty much modern - post modern at the moment, and at this point in time, I've only begun to develop the very first laser guns (blasters and laser rifles) similiar to the Terminator movies laser guns.

Limited space travel (I only have a large space station and a starship-dock to make ships like space shuttles).

However, my nation is quickly mastering parallel universe travel.

In addition, my nation enjoys large bonuses in power generation and construction. Most of my tech's are around 2005 - 2025 era, while power generation is around 2060, and construction is around 2050 levels.

To put it bluntly, my nation has three strong points:

1. Parallel universe travel
2. Power generation
3. Construction

You guys appear to have like 2100+ AD tech. So with that down, I'm not sure how I'd integrate into this RP. How can I participate?

OOC: Well, for the nations that have benefitted from Godulan Largesse, Mexico and Prussia, I suspect that Mexico will be the one that coughs the Cougars up easily enough.

Prussia's gonna be the problem.

Sharina: There shouldn't be much of an issue with integrating into the RP, as the majority of the efforts will likely stick with trying to hold back the too-damn-overpowered Prussians.

(Godular Focuses on Construction, Robotics, and Parallel Universe, but InterD is secondary when in the anti-Galactic Empire camp, so it goes to Construction, Robotics, and Military Tactics).

In any event... I'll have to play two or three sides in the conflict. Acrimoni will be the Mexicans, but I may have to help out somewhat there. I also gotta do the Godulans who remain in the dimension, and the Warmongering Prussians.

OOC: Ill respond this afternoon, Im too busy for a long post right now. I would like to point out that if this is 1840 then the Japanese have a surprise coming anyway on December 11 this year as their emperor passes away. (http://omniknow.com/scripts/wiki.php?term=Emperor_Kokaku_of_Japan)

Oh, and in June the Germans also have a tragedy (http://omniknow.com/scripts/wiki.php?term=Frederick_William_III_of_Prussia) as their King also expires this year.

In November William Henry Harrison will replace Martin VanBueren as President of the US. Pedro II is declared "of age" and takes control of Brazil (a major part if I try to unify South America) and on March first, only two months and two weeks after the British first colonized New Zealand, the Governor has a stroke and is incapacitated. The US, Japan, Germany, New Zealand, and Brazil are all changing leadership in 1840.
Im sure you picked 1840 somewhat randomly, but it does make this RP very interesting...

I would like to take this time to respond to this post. I don't think it will all happen as it did IRL, but the death of the King would still fit into the RP. The changing of the President would probally go as planned, or they would elect someone that they felt was a strong leader. Brazil is left untouched for the most part, so its keeping true. The British never Colonized New Zealand in this Urth though, seeing as how its a Japanese Stronghold So that kinda tosses in some differences.

Yes I did pick 1840 at random, and it seems to be a good time to RP at, lol. Lots of changes going on and such that I hadn't even realized had.

This thread has been rather enjoyable, even though my nation has been on the losing side, lol. I think I'll just RP my regional government much like roaches, they seem to stick around despite efforts to get rid of them, and they seem to survive in places people didn't think they could, lol. That and they get into everything.

I think it's safe to say that Russia is pretty much in my control. By proxy the Middle East as well, unless someone in Europe or Africa gets a military force there.

I don't know the exact populations of those areas, but Russia was (and still is) the biggest European country, so do you think 140 million is too big? The Soviet Union was about 250 million in the eighties, and that country comprised most of the territory of the Russian Empire. As for weapons and tech, my Russians basically just have modern rifles (X-19s, the Malkyeri version of the M-16) and whatever other tech I had on my ships when they arrived.

OOC: Not so fast. Ever hear of something called the Ottoman Empire? Only a hundred years prior the Ottomans were THE world superpower. By the early-1700's Europe was finally coming to nearly equal in military prowess. By the time of the American Revolution, Britain had replaced the Ottoman empire as the best military on earth, but the Ottomans fielded a force nearly twice as large as Britain. The decline of the empire is steady, but slow. Clear up until the First World War the Ottomans were a major world power, certainly much more than Prussia. Check out an approximate map of the empire at this time here (http://www.ottomansouvenir.com/img/Maps/Ottoman_Empire_Map_1359-1856.jpg)

And yes, that is too much population. The pop in 1840 was about 62 million (http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/russia.htm) The Ottomans on the other hand had about 68 million and one of the best Navies of the day. If cougars got into their hands they could single handedly take out any two of the three nations with tech (Russia, Prussia, Mexico)

The Ottomans will prolly be next on the Prussians' list, after they take on Britain, anyway.

The Ottomans will prolly be next on the Prussians' list, after they take on Britain, anyway.

I imagine that they would turn on Russia next, unless they already know about the new Russian technology. The Ottomans and the Prussians are close allies at this time. Like I said, if the Prussians know about Russian technology they might assume they have cougars too and be tempted to go after the Ottomans instead. After all, they are hardly leary of turning on their allies. They did so a total of seven times in the Napoleanic wars. On the downside, I dont know the Prussian population. I can tell you however that they had 30 million in 1904. Yes, that is only Prusssia, not Germany. Prior to 1904 they would have had less than that so Prussia has less than half the populations of either Russia or the Ottomans. With only 25 million total pop (an estimate) they will be sorely overstretched. They may be able to take over the Ottomans OR Russia, but not both. To move the cougars out of one country to fight another would be sheer suicide as well. Any country in europe is going to rebel if the cougars are gone. What Im trying to get to here is this: 1) How many cougars do they have? 2) Is anyone going to play the Ottomans and have them allied to Russia?

I imagine that they would turn on Russia next, unless they already know about the new Russian technology. The Ottomans and the Prussians are close allies at this time. Like I said, if the Prussians know about Russian technology they might assume they have cougars too and be tempted to go after the Ottomans instead. After all, they are hardly leary of turning on their allies. They did so a total of seven times in the Napoleanic wars. On the downside, I dont know the Prussian population. I can tell you however that they had 30 million in 1904. Yes, that is only Prusssia, not Germany. Prior to 1904 they would have had less than that so Prussia has less than half the populations of either Russia or the Ottomans. With only 25 million total pop (an estimate) they will be sorely overstretched. They may be able to take over the Ottomans OR Russia, but not both. To move the cougars out of one country to fight another would be sheer suicide as well. Any country in europe is going to rebel if the cougars are gone. What Im trying to get to here is this: 1) How many cougars do they have? 2) Is anyone going to play the Ottomans and have them allied to Russia?


I would think the Ottomans would be trying to secure treaties with Europe and Russia, trying to secure their power from what appears to be an unstoppable prussian empire. I would also think they would solidify their lands in africa incase the Prussian army turned on them, perhaps they would push deeper into Africa and set up a new Empire there.

The Prussians have anywhere between 2500 and 3000 cougars. And they told the Godulans something along the lines of "Go screw yourselves, we bought 'em, we like 'em, we ain't giving them back!" when Daven-Cameron tried to order the recall.

And the Prussians also got guns. I'd also suspect they'd be working on technology stuff as they can see where they want to be.

I agree with the thought that the Ottomans will likely attempt to ally with Russia against what can only be termed as a common foe. And Godular may have to do the same thing to the Ottomans as we did with Mexico by giving them a full 2010 tech development tree.

OOC: Not so fast. Ever hear of something called the Ottoman Empire? Only a hundred years prior the Ottomans were THE world superpower. By the early-1700's Europe was finally coming to nearly equal in military prowess. By the time of the American Revolution, Britain had replaced the Ottoman empire as the best military on earth, but the Ottomans fielded a force nearly twice as large as Britain. The decline of the empire is steady, but slow. Clear up until the First World War the Ottomans were a major world power, certainly much more than Prussia. Check out an approximate map of the empire at this time here (http://www.ottomansouvenir.com/img/Maps/Ottoman_Empire_Map_1359-1856.jpg)

And yes, that is too much population. The pop in 1840 was about 62 million (http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/russia.htm) The Ottomans on the other hand had about 68 million and one of the best Navies of the day. If cougars got into their hands they could single handedly take out any two of the three nations with tech (Russia, Prussia, Mexico)

Even during the Napoleonic Wars, the Ottoman Empire was considered the "sick man" of Europe. They were a medieval state, and lacked progress. Yes, they could field a large enough army, but it wasn't very good.

During the nineteenth century, Britain and Russia played off of each to try to gain control of Turkey and the Middle East, in a Cold War of sorts. Niether considered the Ottomans to be a serious threat.

And I concede the population. My estimate was entirely based on conjectures and my knowledge of Russia today and the USSR before it, so I have no idea how big they were (population-wise) in the nineteenth century.

ok, is this storyline still active or did you all die?

Think the novelty wore off.

If I wanted to end it I'd prolly just schedule it for a PPD experimental firing and wipe out the entire southern hemisphere.

Think the novelty wore off.

If I wanted to end it I'd prolly just schedule it for a PPD experimental firing and wipe out the entire southern hemisphere.

so you umm, lack the creativity to do anything not related with SW for too long? Eh, good riddence then. I'll just say this story is ended, and if anyone wants to continue it, just let me know, and I'll work on something with people.

Star wars? Who the heck said anything about star wars? Truth be told, I'm kinda waiting for some of the other people to come in. I WAS referring to other people, you know.

P.S. This has nothing at all to do with creativity and I'm insulted by the insinuation, spanky. All my tech, all my weapons and defenses are purely my own craft, and to lump me in with Star Wars buffs is... well... ill-informed. I do NOT like backing and forthing a thread to death (Kelvin thread excluded... hard to NOT back and forth that one), and prefer to respond to other people's actions in order to keep the improvisational aspect in play.

Star wars? Who the heck said anything about star wars? Truth be told, I'm kinda waiting for some of the other people to come in. I WAS referring to other people, you know.

P.S. This has nothing at all to do with creativity and I'm insulted by the insinuation, spanky. All my tech, all my weapons and defenses are purely my own craft, and to lump me in with Star Wars buffs is... well... ill-informed. I do NOT like backing and forthing a thread to death (Kelvin thread excluded... hard to NOT back and forth that one), and prefer to respond to other people's actions in order to keep the improvisational aspect in play.


So you aren't a sw buff? you don't have force sensitivity nor like the Core worlds? sounds very SWey to me.

As for the lacking of Creativity, I am talking about this thread. So far you have brought a nation in that says they are here to stop genocide, then do that same thing. You have dropped massive damage down from space, and have yet to get heavily involved with anything. You have interacted very little in the thread, save telling Slinao they are toast, and telling Malkyer that you will help him.

The main players in this thread were me and you, and the others came in later. You started off strong, but now you are slipping down. I've been trying to get other people into the thread but right now people I've tried talking to have been busy with other threads and say they will join as soon as they are done.

I agree with Godular that the novelty wore off. I think the thread got too complicated when we all tried to set up our own little empires (i.e. myself in Russia, Acrimoni in Mexico, Slinao in Japan and California, etc.). I think it would've got better if we'd tried to keep it simpler. If you're going to start something like this again, though, I'll look in to it.

The only things related to Star Wars I've done is because most of the people with FT stuff on this forum that post with any form of frequency are SW based, with Warhammer 40k coming in relatively close second. We have ONE force sensitive (that people know of) and that's more or less because I thought it would make for a good RP (soon as people start paying attention to Kelvin, and they will...)

And what can I say, I'm a big fan of "Irony". Godular rationalizes it as "We don't like needless death, and we'll have no qualms in killing millions to stop it!", but you'll ALSO NOTICE that I shot the original admiral in command of the whole thing for incompetence BECAUSE his attempts to keep the whole thing more even resulted in the deaths of thousands / millions.

The only reason I did what I did is that if I'd followed full containment procedures at the beginning, the thread wouldn't have been more than 10 posts... Because I would have flown in, vaporized California, flown over main slinao, vaporized everything related to interD rifts, infrastructure, and governmental control, and then fired a kinetic lance at the smoldering remains of the Slinaoan capitol that would have unfurled a small flag saying "This Planetary Bombardment Has Been Brought To You By Pepsi, the Choice of a new Devastation!"

So, naturally, things are a tad shaken up.

Further, we don't have people to RP the various parties. Quantifying "Creativity" as "Saying that I walk into town and strike deals with such and such a group with little to no resistance, flee when the enemy fires at me in increasingly far-fetched manners just in the nick of time, build things that would take months to build... in days... and miraculously discover/derive AND implement a wide-ranging series of technologies on a similar timescale," isn't much work either. I.E. near godmoding is more like it, but I've allowed it because I'm TRYING TO KEEP THINGS GOING, plus I kinda fell into the 'do as they do' bit by saying that the Prussians bought so many Cougars.

Its also hard to match the sudden shifts you take in timelines. The time between initial detection of the first rifts, to communication to high command, to a DawnRunner fleet materializing over the world in question, is quite literally about half a day, considering an already-prepped fleet, and up to a full day if we pull an emergency mobilization of an unallocated fleet.

I was, no kidding, RIGHT in the middle of working with acrimoni on how to work with the cougars, and you had, in the middle of the conversation, somehow managed to do the following:

1) Insert a man into the U.S. Government providing M-16 specs and supplies.
2) FULLY equip an American incursion force with M-16s
3) Mobilize said incursion force
4) March them across such and such a distance into Mexico
5) Engage Mexican Forces
6) Report Wide Ranging Victories.

All without waiting for Acrimoni, who had taken the mantle of the Mexicans, to respond and report losses.

HOW. IN. THE. BLUE. HECK. Do you expect me to remain creative when your plotline is literally leaving everybody else in the dust? Its a chore just to try keeping up! This is just another bit of the GodModing bit that I've let slide to try to keep everything going.

Want to restart? Sure, I'll try sending in a smaller incursion response force to make things more interesting. But YOU need to slow the frig down there, binky, and make it into something of a struggle for your own forces to get anything done as well, rather than somehow managing to take over half the world while my force's landing shuttle is only just breaking through the stratosphere.

Perhaps put in a rift accident, because you're still nothing but a fledgling with DLE's technologies, that causes the dimension to be locked down by some means, leaving everybody involved essentially stranded.

The entire RP itself needs an overhaul.

The only reason I did what I did is that if I'd followed full containment procedures at the beginning, the thread wouldn't have been more than 10 posts... Because I would have flown in, vaporized California, flown over main slinao, vaporized everything related to interD rifts, infrastructure, and governmental control, and then fired a kinetic lance at the smoldering remains of the Slinaoan capitol that would have unfurled a small flag saying "This Planetary Bombardment Has Been Brought To You By Pepsi, the Choice of a new Devastation!"

and that would have been pointless and in my opinion, godmodding.

Further, we don't have people to RP the various parties. Quantifying "Creativity" as "Saying that I walk into town and strike deals with such and such a group with little to no resistance, flee when the enemy fires at me in increasingly far-fetched manners just in the nick of time, build things that would take months to build... in days... and miraculously discover/derive AND implement a wide-ranging series of technologies on a similar timescale," isn't much work either. I.E. near godmoding is more like it, but I've allowed it because I'm TRYING TO KEEP THINGS GOING, plus I kinda fell into the 'do as they do' bit by saying that the Prussians bought so many Cougars.

I didn't build anything that would have taken months to build. All buildings that were sent to through the rip were prefab buildings or units that were already built and just mobilized into action. Prefab buildings can be put together in a matter of days, all it takes is a few bolts and connections.

The technology wasn't that advanced, and it was from working models. Slinao had captured a space ship intact and reversed the tech of it. shields, hover capibilities based on controlling energy thrusts, and plasma workings from working models. We didn't just make tech from scratch, and most of the tech was understood by the captured piolet we had as well.

Every time my people retreated we took losses, and it wasn't at the nick of time, it was responsive and logically planned out. the abandonment of the california base was already under way

Its also hard to match the sudden shifts you take in timelines. The time between initial detection of the first rifts, to communication to high command, to a DawnRunner fleet materializing over the world in question, is quite literally about half a day, considering an already-prepped fleet, and up to a full day if we pull an emergency mobilization of an unallocated fleet.

well, I don't think thats in your say, as it was dependant upon how fast my government responded, and they wouldn't have until after they were ready to move.

I was, no kidding, RIGHT in the middle of working with acrimoni on how to work with the cougars, and you had, in the middle of the conversation, somehow managed to do the following:

1) Insert a man into the U.S. Government providing M-16 specs and supplies.
2) FULLY equip an American incursion force with M-16s
3) Mobilize said incursion force
4) March them across such and such a distance into Mexico
5) Engage Mexican Forces
6) Report Wide Ranging Victories.

All without waiting for Acrimoni, who had taken the mantle of the Mexicans, to respond and report losses.


excuse me, but prussians had already attacked france and the north sea, and had captured the netherlands and belgium BEFORE my attack on mexico. so you kinda started the whole fast attack measures, not me.

then I had the americans advanced, wasteing tons of ammo because they weren't trained with the weapons. The US already had a readied army in the area because there had already been fighting in the us. They had already lost texas in fighting.

I had said I had engaged mexican police and limited military. basically fringe battles with men shooting with cannons and m-16s. nothing major, just enough to stir up trouble, though not nearly like saying I had taken over most of europe in the same amount of time.

Perhaps put in a rift accident, because you're still nothing but a fledgling with DLE's technologies, that causes the dimension to be locked down by some means, leaving everybody involved essentially stranded.

I had already asked for something like this to happen, read the thread and you'll find me asking for limitations. Even before the lacking of posts I had sealed the rifts.

and that would have been pointless and in my opinion, godmodding.

Incorrect, the two full DawnRunner fleets would easily have been capable of such action. But like stated, the thread would likely have never gotten past 10 posts due to godmodding accusations or just being ended to soon.

well, I don't think thats in your say, as it was dependant upon how fast my government responded, and they wouldn't have until after they were ready to move.

Actually, Godulan forces had shown up before the message to Slinao was sent out. So yes, it is in my say.

The technology wasn't that advanced, and it was from working models. Slinao had captured a space ship intact and reversed the tech of it. shields, hover capibilities based on controlling energy thrusts, and plasma workings from working models. We didn't just make tech from scratch, and most of the tech was understood by the captured piolet we had as well.

Every time my people retreated we took losses, and it wasn't at the nick of time, it was responsive and logically planned out. the abandonment of the california base was already under way.

First part: DLE RPs as a nation some 3000 years-ish beyond MT range. The tech they have even on their most basic vessels would have taken years to understand, much less duplicate. And you would also have needed the parent nation of the pilot to RP the interrogations.

Second Part: How did the japanese fleet get anywhere near California without my notice? Heck, how did you get people to japan in the first place without our notice? Had the bombardment force been on the ball, all the japanese vessels would have been annihilated, not by the bombardment, but by the StarSpiders standing by off the coast of California.

excuse me, but prussians had already attacked france and the north sea, and had captured the netherlands and belgium BEFORE my attack on mexico. so you kinda started the whole fast attack measures, not me.

I did mention that the Cougars could travel upwards of 90mph, AND the European nations it had attacked were on Prussia's direct borders. It would have taken (again) literally hours for them to have dealt devastating blows on... well... everything.

I do, however, admit that I should have waited until the end of the conversation to even mention that.

Edited: Blergh. Guess this all just underscores how confusing everything got...

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First part: DLE RPs as a nation some 3000 years-ish beyond MT range. The tech they have even on their most basic vessels would have taken years to understand, much less duplicate. And you would also have needed the parent nation of the pilot to RP the interrogations.
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ok, let me put this in a way you'll understand it better, since you like to think you have all the answers when you haven't done your homework. The only time I used DLE's tech was when we tried experimenting with it and ripped a whole in the universe. Thats really it, other then the use of the advanced metal making. All other tech was too destroyed to use, as he had said after the war when I had asked him. The information that I'm talking about is from another nation. The piolet had been turned over to me by the other nation as well.

And to point out how you didn't follow your own course of action, you told the mexican government that they were going to need training, and yet the prussians, who are from the same time period, got that training in only minutes and then they unleashed them, or did your troops lead the prussians, cause thats not what you said.

I kept all my stuff within certain confines. I never pushed my people beyond my set limit points, though I'm certain that you didn't either, although your limits would have been set at superman levels, because you see FT as beyond anything, and your numbers beyond anything, therefore you must be the only one that can deam what does what to your troops and my place as well.

Ft in this thread ruined it, and no I'm not going to restart it. If you want to pull out of it, go ahead, I don't care. If you are going to get pissy and "destroy the entire southern hemisphere" then I'm going to have to ignore it and just dictate that your nation left, so that the story can still continue on.

Honestly, I was kinda joking when I mentioned destroying the southern hemisphere. And was rather surprised when you took it so seriously.

Shit, only reason I got riled up in the first place was because I took your initial response somewhat personally. Which of course set me on defensive mode and us pointing out each others whoopsies.

And I do wish I'd paid more attention to the durn fight between ya and DLE and... who else was it... united cultures? Could've sworn it was DLE's ship that you were working under.

I will agree with you that FT killed it. This is why I advocate restarting. Primarily because its gone too far to salvage in the first place, and Godular was... too influential? I'm still working on NS RP experience, and I suspect this thread showed me its harder to avoid number wanks than I thought.

I was kinda thinking on entering the restart RP with the resources available only to the Diplomatic station in Vizion, which is solely Super-Modern tech with FT influences (namely some of the people being full-body cyborgs), much the same as you. Exploratory operation goes awry, things go nuts, locked out, stranded on backwards planet with no contacts home and a hostile force somewhere else on the planet revving up for a takeover.

Would enable for a less futuresy presence if nothing else.

Bleh. Said things I regret, got defensive at perceived insult, I apologize, was a promising RP that got too hooked up in tech wanks and I'll make certain that the next round goes better. After all, can't let OOC chatter get in the way of IC happenings. Lets just put all nastiness aside and try it without the generalized I-blow-stuff-up-you-blow-stuff-up-we-all-blow-stuff-up-for-no-apparent-reason-ness.

I appologise as well. I got really frustrated with the story going shitty and saw people backing out of it. I got a little offensive and said things with more of an edge then I should have. I can see where things got mixed up and messed up. To be honest, this is like my second RP thread so far, I've tried to get involved other places but people seem to ignore nations that are only a month old, either that or they only want their friends in their threads.

Instead of resetting I was thinking maybe you have your ships pull out, and send in the lesser advanced troops. They send the all clear message, but then something happens and they crash land, or they can't get back home or some said such, maybe some sort of quantom storm happens due to an odd occurance of solar activity in this diemension and cuts you out or something.

That would bring things back into a realm of understanding, but would keep the good ideas that are in the RP.

i could see Europe pulling together and fighting off the now couger-less prussians, and the ottomans are forced southern into africa. America is going realitively dormant so that it can get its econ started up again.

I still think this thread has potintal, and that idea about a WW sounds fun too. I can see Japan, America, working together. The prussians might form up and join with mexico and south america. And russia and China might form up too, then toss the ottomans in later, or just zap them out for afterwards.

Problem is, getting the Cougars out is gonna be a major issue. The Prussians WILL resist, and we kinda didn't fit them with a "Don't Turn On Your Makers" protocol. The RP would inevitably just turn into an "Everybody on Prussia because they're trying to take over the world and those big ships in the sky are afraid to kill more people.

Its somewhat more than I can handle, but that might just be my argument-induced headache talking.

Plus, with Acrimoni being largely absent from the later stages (though the historical information was relatively important, so I should thank him for that. And the maps too) I haven't been able to work with mexico as much as I would have liked, and have been more or less entertaining the idea of working with Britain OR Prussia, but not multiple groups, and not so close to enemy forces.

We can try to keep the thread going, but frankly, I'm stumped as to where to go next because I'd already overextended myself and am having a hard time juggling things.

Problem is, getting the Cougars out is gonna be a major issue. The Prussians WILL resist, and we kinda didn't fit them with a "Don't Turn On Your Makers" protocol. The RP would inevitably just turn into an "Everybody on Prussia because they're trying to take over the world and those big ships in the sky are afraid to kill more people.

Its somewhat more than I can handle, but that might just be my argument-induced headache talking.

Plus, with Acrimoni being largely absent from the later stages (though the historical information was relatively important, so I should thank him for that. And the maps too) I haven't been able to work with mexico as much as I would have liked, and have been more or less entertaining the idea of working with Britain OR Prussia, but not multiple groups, and not so close to enemy forces.

We can try to keep the thread going, but frankly, I'm stumped as to where to go next because I'd already overextended myself and am having a hard time juggling things.


I'll see if I can't pull some people in to RP some of the critical nations. As for the cougars we could have them suffer some sort of damage from the solar effects that cause them to think they took damage and self destruct.

acrimoni did bring a lot of historical knowledge into the whole thing, its too bad he is hit and miss as to when he shows up and such.

I think we should cool our jets on the thread for a few days and come back at it with fresh ideas and such. I'll see if I can't get some more interest, though its a long process cause I'm going to have to ghost a few threads and see how people rp and such.

Im back guys. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. Ill explain later unless SLinao already told you. Anyways, is this dead now or what?

Im back guys. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. Ill explain later unless SLinao already told you. Anyways, is this dead now or what?
I think it might have died...I'm still willing to push things through, though lacking the others its not going to be too fun....unless you want to run it for awhile, not sure how you like to rp or anything...