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Larionko Aidarov was satisfied by the broadening of interest in his nation's troubles. The Lavragerian President had held-out in light of opposition to British involvement, which had baffled him as much as it had London, and left him afraid of manipulation by so few factions. With the Roycelandians involved and Russia continuing its interest, his Republic looked more secure, if only because too many parties were involved for any to think his abuse worth their while.

The President gave his consent to multi-national forces arriving to finish the refugee issue and to protect his reduced republic until it was on its feet, and to working with other nations instead of a primarily British force. He would still host the British aid effort and accept military liasons in the east, but no longer expected Challenger tanks and Land Rovers to make for Hia'Itakchi.

With concerns largely soothed, Aidarov couldn't see the enemies withdrawing from his new borders quickly enough.

The proposal that Quinntonia puts forth then, is that

i) TBF will not enter Lavragerian soil


ii) All parties will recognise President Aidarov's republican government

iii) This government will make up the north-eastern quarter of Lavrageria and have population of 3 million people.

iv) President Aidarov's new government will receive military and economic help from the NATO powers. This will include 4 billion Quinntonian dollars for reconstruction, as well as a humanitarian aid package that includes civilian workers paid for by NATO.

v) No TBF troops will enter that nation for a period of no less than three years. However, other NATO troops can and will be in the area to support and train republican troops.

vi) This new nation will be recognised as a NATO protectorate, meaning that it is in full military dependence on NATO and NATO will engage any attacks upon its people or threats against its sovereignty as if they were attacks upon NATO soil itself.

vii) The rest of the nation of Lavrageria, making up three quarters of the land with a population of almost 7 million people, will come under the administration of the Estenlandian government of Tsar Wingert I.

viii) This new national entity will also be recognised by all parties.
Lavrageria Agreed pending matters as to point VII

ix) French and TBF fleets in the Mediterranean/ off Gibraltar will immediately stand down and allow (within 72 hours after the signing of this document) full naval and civilian shipping movement through there without incident. In return, France will agree to recognise TBF's lawful claim on Ireland and Gibraltar. TBF will agree to recognise Louis XX as the lawful governor and ruler of France.

x) It will be understood that any threats against the sovereignty of Russia will be met with NATO force in return; Tsarist Russia will be recognised by all parties.



AMMENDMENT 1-1
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I) Will Estenlands/France concede to allow refugees moving towards the new Republican nation of Lavrageria to continue peacefully, provided that they show that they are unarmed?

II) Will Estenlands/France concede to allow the defenders of Hia'Itakchi to leave that city, unmolested but unarmed and make their way, with all due haste, to the nearest border of Republican Lavrageria?


III) If both point above are conceded, will Republican Lavrageria concede on the points concerning TBF troops presences?

AMMENDMENT 1-2

I) Point (ix) has been amended to include a 72 hour stand-down time for the TBF Fleet.


AMMENDMENT 2-1

I) Peacekeepers of a foreign nation(This will be amended to include the name of the foreign nation/nations) will enter Lavragerian territory and see to the organisation and implementation of the movement of the fore-mentioned Hia'Itakchi Republican defenders, and all Republican refugees groups currently moving towards the new Republican Lavragerian State. In return, all troops/POWs of Royalist allegiance will be allowed to return to Tsarist Lavrageria unmolested.

II) All Tsarist Lavragerian citizens will enjoy the same rights and protections under Estenlandian law as any other Estenlandian citizen.



OK, so this is the treaty, and it looks as though everyone is ready to sign.

Please post only one last time, saying officially that you are signing the treaty.

Prime Minister Jess Obed signs the treaty.



WWJD
Amen.

Foreign Minister Jeff Lebowski has also signed the Treaty on behalf of the Roycelandian Empire.

The Roycelandian Government (which, as most people have correctly long since established, is a polite euphemism for "His Majesty has already made his mind up and this is what's going to happen") has expressed some concerns about a Russian-led peacekeeping force.

"Roycelandia is always happy to contribute to international Humanitarian efforts and peacekeeping, and we're happy to share the command with our Russian friends, - but totally being under their command, I'm afraid, would just cause too many problems from a communications point of view."

"We're also happy to maintain a force in the area, but obviously having 25,000 on a permanent overseas deployment is going to be expensive and unpopular. Once order is restored, we would look at scaling the force back to a level where it's effective but not unwiedly."

Meanwhile, His Majesty is "dumbfounded" that he managed to completely miss the escalation of tension in the Straits of Gibraltar, but dismissed it with "That's what happens when you spend all weekend hunting, drinking, and enjoying pleasurable company..."
IC: John Buzkovski, diplomat in Washington, has signed the treaty. And invited all to a barbeque in crawford.
The Lavragerian situation should remain a joint-command of all sides, but the NATOnic force in Russia needs to be placed under some sort of Russian jurisdiction. Maybe we can veto operations within my country? I can't just allow a foreign force to run amuck in my country after all. C'mon, after all, even Iraq's government has veto power over US military operations,.

The British Deputy Prime Minister maintains her government's complicity with most elements of the amended agreement, but with it London's confused suspicion on the matter of their force's exclusion.

"It is not just a stumbling block to be removed by a British surrender to mob-rule, but a matter of national -even international- security. British military intelligence and liason staff will continue on to the Lavragerian Republic, as planned, while 42 and 45 Commando Royal Marines and the Army elements supporting remain in Russia. This government will not rely on the good grace of aggressive nations when direct consultation with friendly democrats may be prudent to both our defences."

Seeing absolutely no excuse for this to be held up as a deal-breaker, though, the British government remains on-side with the agreement's stipulations.

"The Strait of Gibraltar is of course already open to civilian traffic, but we still must ask that -if the French plan to move significant military forces through those waters within so short a time after the aversion of hostilities- we be given some sort of forewarning so as to avert misunderstanding of what may look like confrontational action.

"I see no reason why this should be a problem, however, nor why it should stop us from achieving our peaceful aims in Lavrageria."

Later, British diplomats voiced serious misgivings about the wisdom of handing-over any direct control of NATO forces to a nation that could not even control its own battle groups off its own shores. Politicians, though, were putting on pressure for Moscow to be accomodated, however unwise that may have been...

The British Deputy Prime Minister maintains her government's complicity with most elements of the amended agreement, but with it London's confused suspicion on the matter of their force's exclusion.

"It is not just a stumbling block to be removed by a British surrender to mob-rule, but a matter of national -even international- security. British military intelligence and liason staff will continue on to the Lavragerian Republic, as planned, while 42 and 45 Commando Royal Marines and the Army elements supporting remain in Russia. This government will not rely on the good grace of aggressive nations when direct consultation with friendly democrats may be prudent to both our defences."

Seeing absolutely no excuse for this to be held up as a deal-breaker, though, the British government remains on-side with the agreement's stipulations.

"The Strait of Gibraltar is of course already open to civilian traffic, but we still must ask that -if the French plan to move significant military forces through those waters within so short a time after the aversion of hostilities- we be given some sort of forewarning so as to avert misunderstanding of what may look like confrontational action.

"I see no reason why this should be a problem, however, nor why it should stop us from achieving our peaceful aims in Lavrageria."

Later, British diplomats voiced serious misgivings about the wisdom of handing-over any direct control of NATO forces to a nation that could not even control its own battle groups off its own shores. Politicians, though, were putting on pressure for Moscow to be accomodated, however unwise that may have been...

Full control of the NATO force is not demanded. What is demanded is that the NATO operations within Russia be restricted by Congressional veto power. Allowing a foreign force onto our nation with absolutely no restrictions would be foolhardy; would Prime Minister Bull like a Russian army to camp in London without any controls on it by the English government? Of course not. Sovereignty is vital, and executions have insured that Congress is largely uncorrupted.

The British Deputy Prime Minister maintains her government's complicity with most elements of the amended agreement, but with it London's confused suspicion on the matter of their force's exclusion.

"It is not just a stumbling block to be removed by a British surrender to mob-rule, but a matter of national -even international- security. British military intelligence and liason staff will continue on to the Lavragerian Republic, as planned, while 42 and 45 Commando Royal Marines and the Army elements supporting remain in Russia. This government will not rely on the good grace of aggressive nations when direct consultation with friendly democrats may be prudent to both our defences."

Seeing absolutely no excuse for this to be held up as a deal-breaker, though, the British government remains on-side with the agreement's stipulations.

"The Strait of Gibraltar is of course already open to civilian traffic, but we still must ask that -if the French plan to move significant military forces through those waters within so short a time after the aversion of hostilities- we be given some sort of forewarning so as to avert misunderstanding of what may look like confrontational action.

"I see no reason why this should be a problem, however, nor why it should stop us from achieving our peaceful aims in Lavrageria."

Later, British diplomats voiced serious misgivings about the wisdom of handing-over any direct control of NATO forces to a nation that could not even control its own battle groups off its own shores. Politicians, though, were putting on pressure for Moscow to be accomodated, however unwise that may have been...


I think that will be OK as long as you aren't moving in hundreds of "advisors" or anything. I am going to assume that in your very vague and British way, you are agreeing to sign.
WWJD
Amen.

Tsar Wingert, through Count Falkenstien is ready to sign.
OOC-After this do we RP the peacekeeping movements, or just assume that it is taking place? maybe with one last summary post?

Tsar Wingert I.

So, that means that
France
Tsarist Russia
Russia
Quinntonia
Roycelandia
TBF
Estenlands
All we are waiting for is for Republican Lavrageria to sign and make a new nation.
WWJD
Amen.

((Hey yall. Quick announcement or two. First of all, my RP conduct in AMW has been called into question, very reasonably, by several AMW members. The charges are god-moding, flagrant bellidgerence, and overall incapacity as a AMW member. Im posting this now as to not seem a perfect ass. Indeed, I am forced to admit that as of late my RP has degenerated noticeably. I should like all of you to know that as of late, I have been putting the final touches on a very trying and difficult dissertation, the sum goal of my long academic apprenticeship. Naturally, when faced with the extraordinary demands of such a project, and the stress following it (not to even mention the more mundane trivails of life) my time in AMW became shorter, more crude, and sporadic.

So it is that I come to this community now. As my dissertation is now complete, and I have occasion for leisure, I am going to return home to Reims for a few weeks, take in the lovely spring, and embrace my relations. At first, I had a very strong desire to use this occasion to leave AMW, and put France on auto-pilot. However, some of my friends in AMW have discouraged this, citing it as excessive and counter-productive. After a duly alloted time of ponderance, I have decided that if you will all continue to have me, I will stay, but several things have to be amended before this takes place. Namely, I intend to delete a number of posts which were the sole product of angst: the attempt on Gibraltar, the Tordian intrusion and declarations, the revocation of protestantism in France, and the general militarization of society that began with the first Gibraltar Crisis. They are all going to be destroyed, being the worthless espousations of ire that they are. I remain steadfast that my RP in Al-Ahzad and Lavrageria is totally accurate, and ought be considered valid by the AMW community.

As a consequence of these changes, my apologies incarnate, I expect a few things as well. First, Id like TBF and Quinntonnia to know that since I intend to destroy the aforesaid posts, I hope they will go along with that IC as nothing has happened. The truth is, I could not bear to stay in AMW one more minute at constant odds with Quinntonnia and TBF, so I try to correct my earlier foolishness. Also, since I have rescended the militarization and feudalization of France, I expect the AMW to recognize the French economy as valid and functioning under mercantilism: I dont expect an economic boom, but I shall certainly not accept anyone saying "You countries economy doesnt work, mercantilism sucks, your going down the tubes unless you open your economy to a free market. Even though this is a 'realistic' RP, its still fantasy---it was my understanding that after the purposals sent in initally, AMW agreed to accept said country as is.

And thats about it. I intend after all the aforesaid business: Louis XX remains, France is less of a pariah (Considering the build ups and Tordian fiasco will be consigned to the pits of hell), and it has non-agressive, if not amicable, relations with TBF and Quinntonnia. If you all still object, I shall be happy to leave AMW at once, no more need be said. If you wish to have me stay, then well do all these changes as Ive said, I can enjoy a vacation knowing my RP is not breaking down like a Ford, and can return to a much slower, sensible, non-agressive, and clearly linear style of RP. Appreciate your attention, I just had to make this public.))

((If anyone has any extra concerns, please feel free to TG me when appropriate. Oh and PS: I have not deleted the posts yet, but I really want to ASAP so I can put this behind me. Still wouldnt be fair if you wanted to keep what happened, please let me know as soon as possible.))

OOC: Aw, and we were gearing-up to launch warships named for French revolutionaries and specifically the Paris Commune in hope that they'd clash with Louis' lot on the way to Tord :)

I don't suppose that it matters now, but I do believe that the sort of economic system afoot in your France could be operated and made central to a changed feudal society, I'd just doubt that society's ability to be a world power in a modern setting. Eh, but it doesn't matter, if nothing else you seem to have spearheaded a whole new power bloc in AMW, assuming that Rome sticks it out and nobody nukes the Estenlands [cough].

Good luck with your work and whatever else, by the way. Do stick around if you have the time and desire.

OOC- Well, thanks BG. Much obliged. Named after Robespierre, huh? I suppose it would have been fun, its just the whole SL would have been grossly bellicose on my part, in flagrante delicto as it were. ANyway, thanks for the kind words.

((OOC: Don't leave, Elkazor! What would Mr. T have to do if not plot the overthrow of the French regime? Ha! Honestly, I didn't notice any degradation in your RP style. It just became a lot darker, but not necessarily worse. After all, a kingdom runs on the mood swings of its king. But, if you are deleting the Tordian intrusion...What happens to the rogue Russian fleet there? And Glenn?))

So, that means that
France
Tsarist Russia
Russia
Quinntonia
Roycelandia
TBF
Estenlands
All we are waiting for is for Republican Lavrageria to sign and make a new nation.
WWJD
Amen.
Just waiting, all he has to do is say Yes, I'll sign, and the treaty goes into effect, and this thread can die.
WWJD
Amen.

(Oh, don't worry, Lavrageria has lots planned :) I mean, since everybody seems still to be interested in our little corner of Belarus, much to my surprise.)

President Aidarov, appearing suddenly and without explanation unsettled and perhaps keen to depart, gave his approval of the amended treaty, saying that Lavrageria would host British liason officers only, and adapt the means to greet their combat forces to instead handle some sort of multi-national force.

As news filtered through from Lavrageria and Larionko Aidarov was confirmed as Life President of the Lavragerian Republic, the still traditionally-dressed plains-dweler defends his position as life-president and the absence of further general elections in Lavrageria Retpvblika by stating the fact of his popular election and that of his post's creation on this authority.

The Lavragerians had chosen their new leader, and by the new western ideas about static dictates on the length of time for which the people could think ahead were not entertained. They had elected Aidarov to appoint their parliament to administer the republic that they had created and to guide future progress and development, enabling them to go about the physical task of building a nation. Or, as the case now was, of rebuilding a nation.

Finally! Praise be God, everyone, get outta muh house!

Well, with the negotiations over, we can just assume that everything starts to go fairly smoothly, and this thread is OVER! Whoohoo!

WWJD
Amen.

With France possibly slipping into NPC and the Estenlands apparently disinterested in Lavrageria, having conquered two thirds of it, what next, then?

A new thread? I'll start a new thread :D

((Quel dommage, Q, theres just one more item, although its very good to see that Lavrageria has finally been resolved. Perhaps we can start a threat about the situation now in Lavrageria, the rebuilding or such. But Q, do you find my OOC propisition acceptable? Will you OOCly be acceptable to the idea that I scratch the aforesaid items, and France and Quinntonnia can move back to the good relations following the toleration of Protestantism? I just want to get this down so I can make the appropriate changes ere I go for a few days. So were all on the same page, I intend to delete the bellidgerancy of France on this and Progressive, the refeuydalization and such, and make sure the HMCMS Cutter never left Ft. Martin. So, Quinntonnia, can you forgive my presumption and let Restoration France continue to function as it did prior to the Tordian and Gibraltar Crisis(es?).

Oh, and Lav: I agree com-pletely. There must be a new thread, hopefully a long and peaceful one, that details the rise of Internationnal Sanctioned Repvlika Lavrageria or some such, and the Kingdom of Lavrageria, or whatever the Estenlandian zone ends up as.))

A principality would be ideal for settling the Glakatahn issue if Kiba Morgan's Lodoz Clan could married or otherwise tied into the new leadership he wouldn't have to point out that his thousands of warriors weren't represented at Washington. But I suppose nomad warrior blood might not be welcome. There'll be trouble, one way or the other.

Here's the new thread, A Lavragerian Peace: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405187
Though it remains to be seen what exactly Lavragerian peace may be :)