NationStates Jolt Archive

(IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE MODERN WORLD RP GROUP, PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS THREAD.)

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FOR THOSE IN THE MODERN WORLD, I APOLOGISE I AM ASKING RATHER A LOT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO THINK IT IS WORTH IT. IF YOUR NATION PRODUCES OR CONSUMES OIL (EVERYBODY UNLESS YOUR STONEAGE!) THEN PLEASE READ ALL OF WHAT IS BELOW, LONG AND TEDIOUS AS IT IS. THANKS.
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Given that United Elias is the largest producer of oil in the Modern World, I feel I should take the intiative in setting up a simple form of oil market, where RP related incidents can cause fluctuations in price and decide on the fate of the economies of both consumers and producers. Depending on how this system works out, UE may form an MW OPEC, but that is not possible until there is some mechanism within MW to show prices. The complexities of the RL oil market will only be incorporated to a degree as, for example, we cannot accurately assess what global consumption would be as some areas of the MW are not taken up yet, but this will be a general barometer of economic trends and events in relation to the supply and demand for crude oil. Finally therefore, economic problems or other crises in countries can cascade through the economic system to others, as they do in the RL world.

For Producers

Obviously the first problem is to draw some sort of starting baseline prices, which I have decided to set at the equivalent to that end of December 2003, becuase for this time I have found data for nearly every crude index.
What I ask every MW oil producer to do is simply to post your proven reserves, current production, consumption and export figure for each RL 'nation' within your nation, or to use common sense if your nation straddles more than one oil-producing area. Information on proven reserves and current production are available online, for example on the CIA world factbook under the economy section for each country. The proven reserves must be the stated RL values for the territory though you can change the production figure within reason if your country is in a different circumstance than the RL equivalent nation (for example I have used a 1980s figure for Iraq, as this was a 'normal' since recent production has been reduced due to sanctions etc. Again please use common sense and I will be willing to help you, should you have any problems with this. If your nation is undergoing any abnormal sort of event or situation which would mean that you would be producing much less or more petroleum than normal, please state what the event is.

For Everyone

Furthermore I ask all nations to calculate an approximate total consumption figure in the same way, again I suggest the CIA world factbook. This is where again, sadly perhaps, common sense is needed as if your nation is considerably more developed than the RL nation in its place or vice versa, your consumption will obviously be higher or lower. Again if there is any short term event that is causing a temporary change in demand (i.e massive boom or economic slump), again please state what it is.

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After you have given me this information I will then assign the price of December 2003 (The nominal baseline) appropriate to the type(s) of oil in your specific nation. Therefore do not worry about giving the price or index as I will put it in for you based on the baseline price and corrected for any major changes in exports than in RL. If a real Index does not exist for your particular nation/part of nation, I will make one up and make an assesment of its value, however this should only occur if you are inventing oil reserves where in RL there is none ,such as Al Khals out of RP necessity.

This is United Elias to show you an example:

Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

Southern Iraq Crude:
Companies: Elias Petroleum Corporation
Reserves: 73,800,000,000 barrels
Production: 2,900,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 550,000 barrels per day
Exports: 2,350,000 barrels per day
Price/b: $27.91

Arabian Light Crude:
Companies: Elias Petroleum Corporation
Reserves: 274,125,000,000
Production: 12,440,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 2,500,000 barrels per day
Exports: 9,940 barrels per day
Price/b: $29.20

Suez Blend:
Companies: Elias Petroleum Corporation
Reserves: 3,308,450,000
Production: 762,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 634,000 barrels per day
Exports: 128,000 barrels per day
Price/b: $25.89

Gabon Mandjii Crude:
Companies: Elias Petroleum Corporation - Gabon
Reserves: 2,450,000,000 barrels
Production: 301,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 25,000 barrels per day
Exports: 276,000 barrels per day
Price/b: $27.39

Brunei Tapis Crude
Companies: Elias Petroleum Corporation - Brunei
Reserves: 1,255,000,000 barrels
Production: 217,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 15,000 barrels per day
Exports: 202,000 barrels per day
Price/b: $31.35

Total National Consumption (including colonies): 5,509,000 barrels per day, all sourced domestically.

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The entry for my nation is unusually more compex than most as it includes so many types of crude oil, so for everyone else the process should be simpler.

Once I have the majority of the data I will average the prices of the different crudes, the index to be known as Baghdad Reference Average (BRA), which will give us the MW oil price. After a nation has entered its data for the first time, it can post here any events or government/corporate decisons that would affect any of the figures above, causing market fluctuations, which I can then update. However I advise not to post such events until enough nations have given data to find the BRA price.

Well Malawi has a 5400bbl/day comsumption so to translate that to strathdonia which actually has soem heavy industry i think i coudl mutliply that by about 1.5 for a consumption of 8100bbl/day

Mostly just an over-sized tag for now, as this is fairly interesting, really.

Beth Gellert though is hard to judge. There is no real world precedent for a communist economy so evolved as Beth Gellert's, nor one so environmentally conscious (I have been meaning to start a fairly dramatic thread on that issue, but have been distracted with all this holiday gubbins). I don't think that I'll be able to produce very exact figures, but will try to basically go along with and get involved in the fuel economy to some degree. It has long been one of our nation's more significant economic problems that the nations with which we do least trade (due to both political and economic clashes of ideology and evolution) tend to be those with the most oil.

At the moment I tend to assume that BG gets most of its oil from relatively insignificant local sources, Marimaia, and probably the NPC nations of Libya and Venezuala, which, as a result of the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth, are most probably a lot closer to their socialistic ideals than in reality. I am ever nervous that some right-wing bugger will come along to RP in either of those nations...

Consider this a tag for the time being. Once I manage to sit down and figure out the production and price of Ahzadi oil, I'll post.

Oil production: None. Kanendru has no known reserves.

Consumption: 16,000 bbl/day, though with large scale construction and industrialization projects underway this is likely to increase. Given Kanendru's recent transition to a socialist People's Republic after the Communist Party of Kanendru takeover, sources of petrol from capitalist countries may have dried up and the PRK may have to seek other exporters more aligned or sympathetic with its camp.

Russia
Oil - production:
7.286 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption:
2.595 million bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - exports:
NA (2001)
Oil - imports:
NA (2001)
Oil - proved reserves:
51.22 billion bbl (1 January 2002)
Natural gas - production:
580.8 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - consumption:
408.1 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - exports:
205.4 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - imports:
32.7 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas - proved reserves:
47.86 trillion cu m (1 January 2002)
Currently, the economy is on a rebound with capitalist reforms, so numbers should increase.

As a member of the Yukos/MOil Joint Oil Conglomerate, I'd challenge your claim to being the largest producer.

Furthermore, this system would be great.....but there's a few flaws.

First, who claims what, how many times its claimed..........imaginary territory....offsea rigs.....whether or not you would've sucked the wells dry by now...


Etc.

Anywho, I'll still try to go along with this....I'll have my CFO post some figures here sometime.

Are you part of the Modern World Rping group?

(Evidently not, as the holdings listed in his signature 1) Conflict with AMW, 2) Don't add up to the population stated in said signature. CR, good sir or otherwise, A Modern World is, as implied, a specific RPing group. That is how we know who claims what, and why we don't worry about conflicting claims or imaginary territories.)

(Evidently not, as the holdings listed in his signature 1) Conflict with AMW, 2) Don't add up to the population stated in said signature. CR, good sir or otherwise, A Modern World is, as implied, a specific RPing group. That is how we know who claims what, and why we don't worry about conflicting claims or imaginary territories.)

OOC: To say that I am not of the Modern World Roleplay group is quite incorrect. I have chosen to remain a nonparticipant in these ugly, annoying, and frankly ignorant proceedings that accompany the creation of "Earths." As a longtime member of Nationstates, I remember the days where there wasn't any of this "your claims are on Earth II--you're nothing on Eartth XVIII" bullsh*t.

In any case, if this is one of those bourgeosie installations which seeks to bar good roleplay from good roleplayers, so be it. I should not WANT to participate in those dealings.

P.S. I cannot control the fact that my population has risen, simply by playing this game. The fact that I choose to RP in few nations instead of conquering needed lands for my growing population displays my preference for good, solid storylines instead of constantly evolving, flaky storylines.

I ask you therefore to be gone, your criticism is neither helpful or relevant. If you choose to dislike this sort of elitist group, that is perfectly your choice, but do not post here again, you are hijacking my thread.

The Roycelandian Empire

Most Petrol and Oil Refining is handled by the Imperial Petroleum & Mining Corporation, usually referred to as ImPetroCo. It's Government owned (with Emperor Royce I as the major shareholder and CEO, unsurprisingly), and they're very heavily involved in the Oil and Petrol business worldwide.

Since Roycelandia is a much more advanced and civilised place than the RL locations, I've boosted production figures by at least 20% to account for better extraction and refining techniques etc.
Most Roycelandian cities have extensive electric tramways, and the Government offers subsidies to encourage people to run vehicles on LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas). As a result, Usage figures have been decreased by 15% to compensate for this. The Imperial Government is also heavily funding the development of Synthetic Petroleum, also progress is, at present, slow.

Roycelandia

Roycelandia comprises the islands of Jamaica, Cuba, Hispaniola, The Bahamas, and St Kitts-Nevis.

Production: 62,000 Barrels/Day
Usage: 308,000 Barrels/Day
Proven Reserves: 532,000,000 Barrels (More offshore, currently being prospected by ImPetroCo)

Roycelandian East Africa

Roycelandian East Africa comprises Kenya, Uganda, The Sudan, the island of Socotra (in the Gulf of Aden), and the Reunion islands (Off the coast of Madagascar).

Production: 370,303 barrels per day
Usage: 115,387 Barrels per day
Proven Reserves: 1,431,500,000 Barrels (More offshore, currently being prospected by ImPetroCo)

Gabon
Not really part of REA, so the figures are given separately. I've taken them from UE's figures, as Gabon is currently under the joint control of UE, Roycelandia, and Lusaka. Also, as Gabon is still basically 3rd world, normal consumption figures have been used.

Production: 282,000 Barrels/Day
Usage: 18,000 Barrels/Day
Proven Reserves: 2,250,000,000 barrels

Cape Verde Islands

Production: 2,100 barrels/day (offshore rigs)
Usage: 1,800 barrels/day
Proven Reserves: 577,450,000 barrels

Roycelandian Vanuatu

Production: None (Oil Reserves being prospected for, however)
Usage: 560 barrels/day
Proven Reserves: Unknown

Glimmer Twins

Glimmer Twins are two Islands in the Bering Strait, between Russia and the USA. The total population is about 20,000 people.

Production: None (Insufficient population)
Usage: 5 barrels/day
Prove Reserves: Unknown

UE, if any of these figures seem unreasonable, wrong, or just require tweaking, TG me and I'll fix it up...

OOC: Could someone with more knowledge on this matter fill me in or help me calculate my values?

I fill in a lot of central africa as you know, but the Commonwealth has a much greater economy than Zaire, and thus can utilize the natural oil resources in the countryside much better than it's RL counterpart would.

On the other hand, the CAF is a highly advanced modern military force, and requires a great deal of oil just to produce, maintain and use it's hardware.

AC.

The Democratic Republic of Al Khals was, of course, not originally part of SSA, which can be considered more or less the same sort of thing as AMW before AMW brought everything together. The result of this is that Al Khals established itself as a small oil-rich state in a vague world, and it was generally agreed to maintain that character when it was located on Africa's east coast.

The nation covers land that is not in reality known to have major oil reserves, but Al Khals, of course, has some. I've lately backpeddled a bit on how significant oil is to the economy, making it more the groundwork than the full structure of it, if that makes sense. With just four million people and a fluctuating but generally 1st world economy, it is hard to say exactly what reserves AK ought to have.

I had brought it back to 18billion barrels of crude, something like twice Norway's known reserves with a population in the same vague area, and oil a more prominant part of Al Khali life than Norwegian. I'm not sure if I should pull it back a little further still, really. AK is never going to make much of an impression in the global fuel economy if UE, Russia, and so on decide that they don't want it to. I'd rated oil production up to 1.24million barrels per day, and comsumption an even less certain 160-290thousand barrels per day. Obviously I've got to work on this...

I'll just inform everyone here that Russia is in a state of choas right now, with areas seized by Communists, Tzarists, and the Mafia. While none of these are major oil producing areas, I believe the instability will affect prices.

Initial figures on Beddgelen oil issues ahoy!

Oil- proved reserves: 3 billion bbl mostly off-shore south of Pondicherry and in the Palk Strait

Oil- production: 525,000 bbl/day

Oil- consumption: 2.1million bbl/day

Oil- imports: 1,575,000 bbl/day

Oil- exports: Nil as standard, small quantities as aid or in special situations

Igovian oil consumption is low as fossil-fuel-burning power stations are almost exclusively ancient coal-fired stations, which are being shut down one by one and replaced with further nuclear and some hydropower stations. Private transport does not exist, and all vehicles must meet extremely tough fuel efficiency (as well as emissions) standards. Electric trams and trains are generally the order of business.

Private transport no longer exists in the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth, though comrades have no trouble in getting from place to place. A wide range of transport vehicles does exist, including cars and cycles, though in smaller numbers than was the case in the capitalist era. These are generally fitted with electronic beacons that allow communities to check on the number of vehicles available to them and their proximity or condition of use at any time.

Comrades are free to make use of communally-held vehicles in short trips, and abuse of agreed terms of use can be monitored via the mentioned electronic system. Powered vehicles are built to strict CPCS specifications on safety and fuel efficiency, and are regulated to confirm with national speed limits. Most cars in Beth Gellert can not pass eighty kilometres per hour. There do exist high performance cars, but these are designated for recreational use within specially demarcated areas. They still must meet fuel efficiency and emissions regulations, but face no speed restrictions. Use of such vehicles beyond designated recreational zones is considered criminal.

That said, such personal forms of transport are not the most popular means of transit within Beth Gellert. That honour goes to the nation’s railways, considered some of the world’s finest. Using a wide gauge generations ago proven to be superior to more widely used narrow gauges, Beddgelen trains are fast and reliable, and provide exceptionally comfortable and safe rides. The rail network is extremely expansive, and its latest generation of engines increasingly fuel efficient and popular. If there is a problem, it lies in communication with the wider world. Portmeirion would like to encourage wider use of its wide-gauge, but the notion of over-hauling entire national rail grids is hard to stomach in most surrounding states.

Bus services, taxis, and trams are also widespread and run to some level around the clock.

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Every one of Beth Gellert's Pantisocratic Phalansteries is linked to the public transport grid in some fashion, as are all industrial centres and remaining cities. Everywhere that people are is reachable from everywhere that people are. Places that people aren't are free of people because they're national parks and the like, and many of these are still accessbile on foot for those who can be bothered to walk more than a couple of blocks. Beddgelens, by and large, are not fat couch potatoes, and, as luck would have it, don't rate manhood by number of exhaust pipes, distance from the road, or width of tires. In Beth Gellert, trams go everywhere, give or take a few minutes of painstaking... using your legs (or arms/electric motor for those bound to wheelchairs).

BG doesn't engage in capitalist trade. Need and means. Materials not currency. It might be possible for Russian oil to end up in Beth Gellert if Russia is prepared to take Beddgelen raw materials and unique agricultural products in exchange, but Portmeirion won't be sending cash anywhere soon.

As for putting trust in the government, well, come on, it's a bus, not a video camera in your bedroom or an army bunker on the patio. Beth Gellert grants the individual a great deal more rights and privacy than any nation in the real world, and the government is the people, as Beth Gellert is a democracy (perhaps AMW's only one). There's not even a head of government or chief of state. It really isn't restrictive in the slightest. If you want to get somewhere, in Beth Gellert, you get there. If you happen to live in one of the few most isolated Phalansteries miles from any others and without really major industry attached, you may have to wait a couple of hours for a bus, but chances are that there'll be plenty of community bicycles on hand, which you may borrow to cycle to the nearest major transport hub, or, if the weather if awful or you are in a hurry or disabled or taking friends/family, you may use one of a few communal cars, which are generally electric, or failing that simply highly efficient and likely inspired by a Hindustani design. The system is open to some abuse by people using a car when they don't really need to, but vehicles can be tracked by the individual community's transport office and anti-communal behaviour on a persistant basis can get an individual hauled before the community at large and asked to account for their action. The follow-on idea that this tracking power may be abused is countered by the fact that it is information observable to the entire community, and that mis-use of the information by shady forces would tend to occur in plain view.

Long story short, Beddgelens don't use as much petrol as some enemies of humanity are inclined to, North America.

Ah, but those are not democracies. They rely on plebiscites to enable popular representation. Democracy is popular rule. The use of the word democracy in popular use today is akin to a convenient buzz word, only it seems to have taken-in more people than has, "synergy", for example.
But democracy, or the lack of it, has nothing to do with communism, as communism is an economic system. Saying that it has been proven impossible is immediate proof that you shouldn't yet be arguing about it, as you don't know what it is. Much like I don't know how to drive a car, so won't bother to tell you that you've indicated at the wrong time or pulled into the wrong lane.
You don't like the idea of relying on public transport, I'd venture to guess, because you are familiar with a society that doesn't try very hard to make it work. One that doesn't want it to work. One that wants you to buy an over-priced car and fill it with archaic, over-priced fuels. (Watch as I resist any possible urge I may or may not be feeling to claim that capitalism doesn't work.) In Beth Gellert, a person can still close his or her eyes and point to a place-name or a location on a map, hop on a tram, bus, or train, and head to it, then/or, if needs be, get out and walk there. It is espeically easy since Igovians tend to have more free-time than do the majority of persons in the rest of the world.
As for the term enemies of humanity, yes, but it is quite fitting, I assure you. The under-estimation of the damage done by mass, inefficient private transport is incredible and the damage itself truly shaking.

There's certainly a possibility of technology exchange. Igovians prefer to have other peoples able to produce their own goods rather than having to bribe someone else to do it for them. It would be ideal if, before handing over advanced technologies, the Commonwealth could see Russia reaching for direct democracy and/or more progressive economic policies itself, but if the need for oil can not be met by just the few nations BG regularly trades with already (we'll presumably work this out, later), we may have no choice.

By the by, did you get my telegram on another possible trade/co-operation issue? (I'm not asking you to reply to it here, of course, that'd just further derail the thread)

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LRR, would you be interested increasing importation of Russian oil?

But most 'communist' economies in reality never got anywhere close to as advanced as the Igovian. Those that bothered to abolish currency also inexplicably abolished just about everything else, and generally didn't even claim to be communists (it was just easier for US propaganda to call them that). My granddad's promising career was ruined by 'capitalism', thousands of people die every day because of, 'capitalism', and yet it's still okay to advocate capitalism on one hand while denouncing communism as unworkable on the other. It is ever so draining to hear the same un-arguments day in day out. Oy. Societies attempting every other model of economic management have failed, too. I just keep waking up each day with the inexplicable hope that maybe today will be full of people who aren't still taken in by obsolete western propaganda. Then I'm always disappointed. I have absolutely no idea from where else springs the idea that a communist economy doesn't require its constituents to work. I struggle to accept that anybody can seriously believe such cheap, obviously innacurate propaganda. It is scary that people are so easily fooled. Its like Jesus and his card tricks or whatever he was supposed to have done.

Well, it doesn't look like Russia will be getting in on the Igovian economy, then. All the more developmental aid and mineral wealth for North Yaman, Marimaia, Libya, and Venezuala, then.

No, no hard feelings on my part, I have long since accepted the state of things owing to my understanding of political and economic life as evolutionary. Capitalism has its place in the progress of civilisation and is not, "wrong", it is just not the future.
A society with a communist economy may be run just as badly as a society with a capitalist economy, and both manners of economy may be diluted and operated impurely, as I'm sure that many hard-line capitalists will tell you in reference to most if not all so-called capitalist states on earth today, and as is certainly the case with communism, too. The more important thing, both to myself and to Beth Gellert, is the political aspect, seperate from the economic, wherein freedom and self determination are paramount. These ideas have nothing to do with capitalism (or communism).
Now, if you've read the Communist Manifesto (I haven't, but that doesn't stop people calling me a Marxist, for some reason), I'm fairly sure that you should know at least something of economy as an evolutionary entity, and the idea that it should probably be initiated in the proper order, in an industrialised society. In reality it has pretty well always been attempted (and that is a generous term) on a groundwork of feudal or loosely similar governance and the generally accompanying primitive economics of subsistence and extremely primitive capitalism or mercantilism, and as such was not by many serious communist theorists ever predicted to work.

Still, yes, Russia has natural resources in spades, and shouldn't be wasting global resources by engaging in major international trade it ought to be able to do without, but its godawful capitalist economy isn't yet doing a terribly good job of extracting resources in the face of unfavourable environmental and geographical conditions. I think it's about 50/50 as to whether Russia and BG eventually come into conflict over the former's irresponsible practices, or whether the latter aids in developing the former's pursuit of a more responsible path.

"Is it not natural that someone who has an idea for a business can form it, and compete with others for the profit?"

Short answer no, long answer juxtaposes the contepts of nature and civilisation and gets wrapped-up in consideration of man the individual and Man the species being. I'm going to get back to bed rather than kill the thread by continuing in this vein.

"I mean, look at the US. Do we have it so bad here?"

Oh no, don't get me started on nationalism. I can't look at a patriot and keep a straight face. The point here is that the US is not an us. Not a we. In a global (pre-communist) society, class is a greater divider than nationality. With worse healthcare than Cuba, more people in poverty than most mid-size African nations, massive inequality, wild murder rates, globally catastrophic polluting, significantly lower than achievable standards of living, lower life expectancy than most Western European nations, rampant borderline religious fanaticism, worsening public health, seriously below-par education, citizen spy ratios rarely beaten since East Germany's Stasi, a near total lack of democracy, and candy that looks like bath sponges, yes, I'd say that people in the US have it pretty bad.

Well, living here, I would say none of those things are true, but I can see I won't be able to convince you. Just read "The Wealth of Nations" and "The Communist Manifesto" before making up your mind. Oh, and to stop the hijacking, I'll just delete my other posts. You should too.

"Every individual neccessarily labours to render annual revenue of society as great as he can. He generally neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. He intends only his own gain, and he is, in this, as in many other cases led by an invisible hand to promote and end which was no part of his intention."

Having read quite a few of these manifestos, including the Wealth of Nations, The Republic, Mein Kampf and parts of the Communist Maifesto, it has cemented my belief in capitalism, which is an economic state not a political one. In poltical terms I differ from western thought in that I belief democracy is neither sacred nor even vitruous and although no form of government is perfect, I truely believe Oligarchy has the most merit, and every country despite claims of democracy is in effect an oligarchy. Having answered to clarify my own poltical beliefs as BG has done, it is now time to stop this debate which is inconcludable.

LRR, would you be interested increasing importation of Russian oil?

Most certainly not! What is Jharkhand, chopped liver? I also wouldn't think that Hindustan uses a terribly lot of gasoline, when compared to many western nations, because cars have not exactly caught on. Most transportation is done by rail or on the family tractor, or on foot. Most electricity is supplied by pebble-bed nuclear reactors, a technology that Hindustan rushed to develop during the cold war, in place of nuclear missiles, photovoltaic collectors, and tidal stations.

Eh, too bad. Well, if that Sino fella starts breathing down your neck, I'm sure your military is going to be in need of more oil than your territories can provide. Just a business offer.

A thought occurs.

It is in Beddgelen interests to ensure that nations like Libya, Venezuala, Marimaia and North Yaman don't end up depending on disagreeable economies or regimes for their export earnings. We get most of our oil from them, and want them to be as much a part of our insular communist trade bloc as is possible, keeping capitalist politicians, investors and their fluctuating markets out. With relatively low (not so low as Hindustan, but compared to a comparatively sized and developed capitalist state) fossil fuel consumption, BG can't do all of that alone, and Dra-pol's small, car-free, hydro and nuclear powered economy isn't likely to be much help, so I'd venture that there are Igovian ventures aimed at promoting Libyan/Venezualan/North Yamani/Marimaian oil to the small Hindustani market, since it is right next door and more agreeable than most, by a long shot. Probably it'll entail putting in informal good-words for those nations, or name-dropping them and their recent humanitarian achievements (where any can be found) when in Hindustani governmental or media company, and disguising advertising as documentary film making.

"Ah, the Beddgelen army, protecting Indian democracy as humanitarian supplies roll towards Kanendru, powered by Marimaian oil, and look! The new fuel-efficient 320 from Trivandrum carries volunteer workers and their orphan charges to the fair, this time powered by Libyan oil products!"

Well, it's worth a try :)

Advertising disguised as documentaries? Maybe you should ask Quinntonia if Michael Moore is available...I'm sure he'd love your nation...Oh, and Beth Gellert, would you mind remoiving your part in all of that Communist/Capitalist debate we had? Don't want to clutter up an oil thread with a political debate. (And whether you'll admit it or not, Capitalism/Communism is political, and not solely economic)

Mh, I'm known amongst friends as the one who isn't much impressed by Michael Moore and can't be arsed paying to see his films.
I can't be bothered going back to see what needs deleting and what doesn't, either, I just consider it said and lets talk about the fuel economy, or lack of one.

Eh, too bad. Well, if that Sino fella starts breathing down your neck, I'm sure your military is going to be in need of more oil than your territories can provide. Just a business offer.

Yeah, sure, my military which is like not even half of everyone else's. Honestly, you think you are all that but I've got my sources of oil. There's, well, Yaman, the Lyongians, the Middle East, and of course Jharkhand, as well as offshore oil platforms, and my military is incredibly fuel-efficcent, on top of being pretty ineffectually small.

And its not like Sino will actually recognize the fact that he'd need to let everyone starve for a couple years to equip all his five million man hordes with anything close to respectable technology, so I'm screwed either way.

But when it comes to Libya, I'd imagine that Hindustan has become quite angry quite often with the colonel, and therefore refuses to have anything to do with his government.

Mh, I'm known amongst friends as the one who isn't much impressed by Michael Moore and can't be arsed paying to see his films.
I can't be bothered going back to see what needs deleting and what doesn't, either, I just consider it said and lets talk about the fuel economy, or lack of one.
Personally, I loathe him, but if leftist propaganda is what you need, then he is your man.

Yeah, sure, my military which is like not even half of everyone else's. Honestly, you think you are all that but I've got my sources of oil. There's, well, Yaman, the Lyongians, the Middle East, and of course Jharkhand, as well as offshore oil platforms, and my military is incredibly fuel-efficcent, on top of being pretty ineffectually small.

And its not like Sino will actually recognize the fact that he'd need to let everyone starve for a couple years to equip all his five million man hordes with anything close to respectable technology, so I'm screwed either way.

But when it comes to Libya, I'd imagine that Hindustan has become quite angry quite often with the colonel, and therefore refuses to have anything to do with his government.
Jeez, no need to be so harsh. Just tryin' to make an honest livin'!

Umm... okay I dunno if this fits in with the past conversations but I'm guessing that Hudecia is relatively self-sufficient (thanks to the tar sands projects) but we're not going to be a source of relatively cheap oil. Secure oil, yes, stable prices, yes, cheap oil, no way.

"Tsar Sands" project?

TAR SANDS project! The Athabascan Tar Sands in Alberta contain more oil than the Middle East (according to some estimates). But its all so badly mixed in with the sand that it is horribly expensive to extricate. So Hudecians remain happy with 80cent a litre gas prices because they know that the price will never go up.

Without the tar sands exploitation, these are Canada/Hudecia's figures

Consumes 1.7 million barrels/day
Produces 2.7 million barrels/day

So we have a 1.0 million barrel/day excess even without the tar sands. I'd estimate that with them the figure might be somewhere around 2.0 million barrels/day.

Eh, sorry about that. Dealing with the Estenlands makes you paranoid about "Tsars"...

CIA Factbook
Oil - production:
86,490 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Oil - consumption:
290,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)

We have developed our resources quite a bit more than before, so I will claim
120,000 bbl/day

However, our needs have skyrocketed
consumption-560,000 bbl/day

I suppose we make up most of our defeciet with Middle esatern supplies and are careful not to offend them too much, but probably have small oil deals with everyone who is selling. One of the Achilles heals of my little nation.
Perhaps after the war, Russia and I can work something out, re-activate some pipe-lines?

King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Oil - production:
8.054 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
Oil - consumption:
19.65 million bbl/day (2001 est

That is also the CIA Factbook. Though I am investing billions of government funds into developing Hudecian tar sands, and probably buy everything that Hudecia will export to me, trying to make a situation of North American solidarity in the face of world oil prices.

But, unfortunately, I must almost wholly depend on foriegn imports, probably buying heavily from Russia and the Middle East.

I have also spent much of this year building my oil reserves to five times of the CIA factbook listing.
22.45 billion bbl (1 January 2002)

So, I claim, 112.25 billion bbl in reserve.

This would have probably drove up prices for much of the year, but, we have achieved the level we want, so buying at that level will stop immediately. I probably bought about half of that amount in the last year. It was anticipating long-term conflict in Bonstock, WWII, and it never happened, so I have war supplies out the whazoo.

PS- Micheal Moore is one of my nations greatest Christian documentarists, though he is from a very liberal um...Pentecostal congregation. They ordain women, and you know, other liberal stuff.

WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Michael Moore? A Christian documentarist? Hahahahahahaha...

(To me, Mr.Moore is a bit of a wuss, stopping short of really sticking the knife in. To me, he tends to look like just another chubby American who thinks that John Kerry is left wing. Beth Gellert would more than agree. Most Igovians would consider Moore a bit of a backwards rightist, to be honest. You don't know left wing until you've spent time in the Igovian utopia. I'm almost entirely sure that Moore couldn't handle it. Christianity is recognised as wildly primitive, thought Protestantism is only two or three steps short of enlightenment, as opposed to Catholicism which is too primitive to even comprehend. Maybe we should have an AMW political bitching thread to deal with all this, when we feel like it. Heh.)

Mm, oil, we love oil, it's so delightfully quaint! Like Bowler hats and the mediation of currency in economic transaction. Ooh, oil. We need it to power easily a couple of percent of our vehicles.

In an effort to get this back On Topic, it is official Roycelandian Policy not to sell Oil until we've met our own needs- and as Roycelandia produces far more than it uses, it means Petrol Prices are ridiculously low (about 35c/litre) in Roycelandia and the Government makes a fortune selling the stuff on the International Market- it's win/win, as far as they're concerned.

But, really, how much does the Roycelandian empire produce? I mean, I know that the Sudan has significant reserves... but that's for the Sudan. In respect of a 1st world imperial power with tens of millions of subjects, is it even significant?

(To me, Mr.Moore is a bit of a wuss, stopping short of really sticking the knife in. To me, he tends to look like just another chubby American who thinks that John Kerry is left wing. Beth Gellert would more than agree. Most Igovians would consider Moore a bit of a backwards rightist, to be honest. You don't know left wing until you've spent time in the Igovian utopia. I'm almost entirely sure that Moore couldn't handle it. Christianity is recognised as wildly primitive, thought Protestantism is only two or three steps short of enlightenment, as opposed to Catholicism which is too primitive to even comprehend. Maybe we should have an AMW political bitching thread to deal with all this, when we feel like it. Heh.)

Mm, oil, we love oil, it's so delightfully quaint! Like Bowler hats and the mediation of currency in economic transaction. Ooh, oil. We need it to power easily a couple of percent of our vehicles.
Wow. Moore, a right winger? You seemed reasonable at first, but come on...And the Catholic bashing is not appreciated. We have our quirks, but there is NOTHING "primitive" about it.

In an effort to get this back On Topic, it is official Roycelandian Policy not to sell Oil until we've met our own needs- and as Roycelandia produces far more than it uses, it means Petrol Prices are ridiculously low (about 35c/litre) in Roycelandia and the Government makes a fortune selling the stuff on the International Market- it's win/win, as far as they're concerned.
Is it just me, or is every damned country here slef-reliant on oil? Who are we selling it to?

It is extremely primitive. There are ancient forgotten beliefs, then there is Judaism where the multiple deities begin to reassemble as one, then there is Catholicism where all sorts or rules and structure are established and religion becomes a tool of imperialism (before it there was not imperialism- the Celts would have won, otherwise, and all the world would be Beth Gellert, argue against it if you want, but lose on the first line), and then comes Protestantism and England's greatest progressive contribution to the world. Next comes the notion of Man instead of God, but still placing His species being above the individual, which is where BG is right now- trying to move from the post-Protestant Christian Man to something more democratic, and struggling to do it.

To see Catholicism as something other than primitive, I would need to see evidence of it as evolved beyond the third or so stage of historical religion.

(If it matters, I was Christened a Catholic, my name is clearly Christian in origin, and my mother is Catholic of Irish extraction.)

Is it just me, or is every damned country here slef-reliant on oil? Who are we selling it to?

BG is a net importer of oil, though we get our imports from Marimaia, North Yaman, Libya, and Venezuala. Native production accounts for a notable percent of consumption, but if far from total. It is based in the reality of finds near Pondicherry and in the straits between India and Sri Lanka, which are entirely Beddgelen, in AMW.

I think you might have accidentally posted in the wrong thread, BG...

OOC: Is this the MW which Dra-pol set up and ended up with everyone vs Bonstock? If not, tell me and I'll deat this.

CIA Factbook:
Consumption - 988,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)
Production - 1,100 bbl/day (2004 est.)
Reserves - 2 million

For of most _Taiwan's history, oil supplies were somewhat under threat by the island's vulnerable position off the coast of Sino. It is only in somewhat recent years that the threat of war with Sino has waned, only to be replaced by threats from the recently resurgent Bonstock colony.

Hence, oil security in Taiwan has been a fairly high priority. Oil production has slumped in recent years following the opening of the Sino-Taiwan oil pipeline. The NS Taiwan has an economy somewhat less based on IT manufacturing and more on aerospace and IT services. With a greater reliance on nuclear power and fairly high petrol taxes, oil consumption is somewhat higher than RL Taiwan, but imports are projected to fall over the next few years due to Project Methanex (natural gas ---> petrol).

So...

Consumption - 1.2 million bbl/day
Production - 2,000 bbl/day

Strathdonia is msot defiantly a oil importer and likely depend highly on the very low price of roycelandian oil to keep our small economy growing, particularly to keep it economically viable to fly our produce to europe and the US.

Is it just me, or is every damned country here slef-reliant on oil? Who are we selling it to?

Nations that aren't self-reliant on Oil- Strathdonia, the UK, New Zealand, and so on.

Oil isn't exactly rare, you know- we're just running out of it pretty quickly and so far, no-one's come up with a plausible, cost-effective alternative...

Hmm.. that's a good idea Quinntonia. Probably Hudecia would increase its production to be able to meet more of your demand. We'll try to increase our oil output to 4.7 million bbl / day.

But I guess Hudecia would be a source of oil for South Korea and Indonesia to some extent as well.

Hmm.. correction, Borneo would be self sufficient for oil and then some.

I definately wouldn't say Hindustan is self-sufficcent for oil, just that not that much of it is used when compared with other nations. I would assume that Hindustan gets the bulk of its oil from places like Hudecia or Venezuela, or the Middle East, with a little being drilled back home, but the availability of raw materials for export is a nice bargaining chip.

A brief note on religion:

In Hindustan, religion has, by and large, taken on a much more spiritual aspect among those who practice, as opposed to the relatively numb, tradition-oriented practices common in many places today.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and Judaism are the major faiths.

Hmmm...But is there not a growing Christian population in RL India? And I'm also quite surprised that Judaism is a major one. One doesn't usually associate Judaism and India...

Probably you already know, LRR, but some of India's major oil reserves may lie in your territory. Gujarat has, I think, one of the major on-shore fields, and the (I think off-shore) Bombay High was the most productive in India last I knew (early 90s anyway, I think), meaning -depending on where your territory lies exactly, now- you may have a couple of billion barrels, at least.

Of course that doesn't mean that you have to exploit it.

Hmmm...But is there not a growing Christian population in RL India? And I'm also quite surprised that Judaism is a major one. One doesn't usually associate Judaism and India...

I had assumed that once Hindustan achieved independence from England, it served as a safer alternative to Jewish refugees from Europe than Israel, and the accepting social climate brought many persecuted peoples from around the world.

BG, I did not know that. I thought that the Indian oil fields were in your territory.

Well, I wouldn't think that they are being sucked dry at any appreciable rate. There are probably a bunch of offshore platforms, and a few onshore oil derricks, but nothing with a major environmental impact, just like how Jharkhand is only mined in small bits at a time, and the former vegetation carefully replaced before moving on to another spot.

That's about what I thought :)

We have some fields in the strait between the mainland and Victoria and Salvador (Sri Lanka), and near Pondicherry (a token amount of which is extracted on behalf of that state's government) with a few recent promising finds in Tamil Nadu, but the others are, I think, where I desribed above, and another field in Assam, which I think is independent... and probably feeling a tad exposed.

Hmm... Hudecia's 'environmental' laws are more relaxed than RL Canada (but more enforced that Canada's laws too).

Hudecia was on good terms for a while back and supported each other in South Korea, so I'm guessing that we would be sending you oil from that point if you had needed/wanted it. Despite the divergence of the countries ways it would be hard to just 'stop the oil from flowing'.

Hmm... Hudecia's 'environmental' laws are more relaxed than RL Canada (but more enforced that Canada's laws too).

Hudecia was on good terms for a while back and supported each other in South Korea, so I'm guessing that we would be sending you oil from that point if you had needed/wanted it. Despite the divergence of the countries ways it would be hard to just 'stop the oil from flowing'.


Who are you talking to, me? If so, I still think of Hudecia as my closest ally, and every Quinntonian would have to die, in order so that someone would attack Hudecia proper.
The only ally that Quinntonia would go to total war to protect, other than Quinntonian Dra-pol, is Hudecia.
*sniffs* I'm sorry, what did we do? How can we make it up to you?
WWJD
Amen.

I think its me.

Yes, let me fend for myself against the Chinese. I can handle them. They've only got a military five times the size of mine. I can handle it just fine.

Hindustan tends to see the world in a different light than most everyone else, namely pro-human rights and anti-human rights, as opposed to capitalist against communist.

I would imagine that the average Hindustani is somewhat suspicious of the west for only doing things 'for the sake of humanity' when it suits their interests. I would imagine that UE is viewed in a similar fashion, especially towards their undermining of the Al-Ahzadi republic. Baghdad is sharply criticized for supporting a repressive government, one that was most definately anti-human rights, for a reason that the governement is unable to discern.

Therefore I would guess that Hindustan is left out in the cold very often by western powers, disinterested in what are seen as useless and poorly thought-out idealistic campaigns against one country or another.

FWIW, the Roycelandian Government's attitude towards Hindustan is one of relative neutrality.

Hindustan hasn't actually annoyed Roycelandia in any significant way, but on the other hand, the country isn't of much use to Roycelandia, in the sense that the only things Hindustan exports (As far as Roycelandia can discern) that might of use to us are Curry and Indian food, and now we've got the recipe, we don't really need to go any further than that. ;)

I guess it could simply be said that our official position is that we have no official position vis a vis Hindustan...

OOC:

I think maybe it's time I stepped in to remind everyone that SE Asia isn't the fertile oilfield some are believing it to be.

Firstly, you'd be buying oil from Marimaia's client state Malaysia rather than direct from Marimaia. One of the reasons Marimaia was so keen to get their claws into Malaysia was because economic growth was leading to oil consumption outstripping production. The Marimaians have extensive interests in the Gulf of Thailand and are bringing rigs online in the Bay of Bengal (not in areas where they would clash with any of BG's or Hindustan's), but that isn't going to lead to a growth in exports. The economy is now switching over to hydroelectricity, natural gas, E85 (a fuel which is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline, and is actually in existence) and other energy sources, but in the meantime oil is being gobbled up. Marimaia could probably sell to the Sphere, BG and France in the desired quantities in about 10+ years, but until then you're buying from Malaysia (which would be having problems itself by now, mind you).

Marimaia is also expanding its use of the Fischer-Tropsch process, which distills synthetic gasoline (among other things) from coal (it's more complicated than that, but you can look it up on Google or whatever); however, this is currently being used primarily to reduce the military's dependence on foreign oil.

Malaysia could probably handle propping up the Sphere (as North Yaman is a Sphere member and is also a net oil exporter) and fulfilling what little of BG's demand that Venezuela and Libya can't fill, but I doubt that they could help France much. Vietnam does produce a small excess of oil, but it's probably either stockpiled or bought up by their Marimaian neighbours.

So in short, unless you're willing to wait about ten years or Malaysia strikes more oil, SE Asia won't be selling to anyone else. Indonesia on the other hand might be, but that would be a question for Spyr (as Sumatra/Java are under their influence) or Hudecia (as he RPs Sulawesi, Aceh and Sunda).

Sorry should have clarrified my statements earlier.

Quinntonia is seen as the best of friends with Hudecia. All possible measures are taken to make sure that our good Quinntonian friends are kept happy and well oiled. ;)

For LRR, Hudecia does see things differently than LRR, but, at the same time, we'd still be willing to help you out if you had asked for it. On the issue of Nepal... well... Hudecia has no more troops to spare... literally.

Ethanol... Hudecia has a nationwide 15% requirement for ethanol content in the gasoline sold nationally (similar to Ontario's 10% requirement).

Indonesia (Kalla) does not have a whole lot of oil... I figure they can take care of themselves for now but can't export anything worth mentioning.

Ah, yes, thank you. I was getting a bit uneasy about how wonderfully well the French economy seemed to be doing after cutting out the UK, getting into a potentially oil-cutting dispute with United Elias, and assuming that Marimaia and the war-zone of Al Azhad could make it all better. I'm sure that I'll eventually figure-out why Al Azhad would sell France oil at significantly below the rate it could just as easily be getting from any number of other oil-guzzling nations, so that's a point aside for now.

I imagine that BG (along with mentioned domestic production) imports primarily from Libya and Venezuala, followed by North Yaman, possibly takes a small quantity in cross-border trade with Hindustan, possibly takes a little from independent Assam (though it is entirely possible that they trade more heavily with the Chinas or Marimaia), and finally takes little more than a token quantity from Marimaia in direct exchange for some of the materials we export there, be they metal ores or whatever else. Domestic production and the first three, I would imagine (unless NY has major objections) would by far and away dwarf the other soruces.

Ah, I think that's me done for now, then [dusts hands]

Sir, are you part of the "A Modern World" role playing group?

Sir, are you part of the "A Modern World" role playing group?

what...o...sorry

i thought it said Modern tech nations

(which i am)

That's alright. If you want to join, just check out the "A Modern World" region. There should be a link to the recruitment thread there.

I think its me.

Yes, let me fend for myself against the Chinese. I can handle them. They've only got a military five times the size of mine. I can handle it just fine.

Hindustan tends to see the world in a different light than most everyone else, namely pro-human rights and anti-human rights, as opposed to capitalist against communist.

I would imagine that the average Hindustani is somewhat suspicious of the west for only doing things 'for the sake of humanity' when it suits their interests. I would imagine that UE is viewed in a similar fashion, especially towards their undermining of the Al-Ahzadi republic. Baghdad is sharply criticized for supporting a repressive government, one that was most definately anti-human rights, for a reason that the governement is unable to discern.

Therefore I would guess that Hindustan is left out in the cold very often by western powers, disinterested in what are seen as useless and poorly thought-out idealistic campaigns against one country or another.
Hey, it's not like a nation in civil war is any shape to help you. Ah, and whatever happened to your operations in Lavrageria?

I'd imagine that most of the Hindustani agents (illegally sent) have been either killed or are operating with the other partisan bands.

What about those diplomats? Weren't they in the Bastille?

OOC-

Okay, so here it is, French Oil use and Economy. I should like to point out, right now, that just because France has gone back to the Ancien Regime does not mean that were back to using horse and buggies. France is just as it is RL nowadays in regard to who does what and the number and nature of companies, only the government is radically different along with its sociology.
So, Dassault still exists, its simply owned by a French noble family, and its employees are tied to it for life, and their children will become the same etc.. The only key market changes would be a larger church and military, but since each have their own lands and income, its doesnt really change much. And, as King of France, Louis is basically the grand banker e.g. Frances treasury is Louis pocketbook. So, here it is, from the CIA:

GDP- Purchasing Power Parity: 1.661 Trillion Dollars
GDP- Real Growth Rate: 0.5%

Oil- Production 34,920 bbl/day
Oil- Consumption 2.026 million bbl/day
Oil- Exports 409,600 bbl/day
Oil Proved Reserves- 144.3 million bbl

Major Sources of Oil Imports: Marimaia, Al-Ahzad, Hudecia and (hopefully soon) Roycelandian ImPetCo.

I would actually put your GDP growth a bit higher than the actual, since (despite what BG may argue) France's RL economy is stagnating due to socialist policies. And what about Russian oil? While we may not exactly have the greatest relations, business is business.

I would actually put your GDP growth a bit higher than the actual, since (despite what BG may argue) France's RL economy is stagnating due to socialist policies. And what about Russian oil? While we may not exactly have the greatest relations, business is business.

OCC: Well, I see that you have whole-heartedly embraced lassiez-faire capitalism.

The whole idea of communism was to prevent the average person from getting screwed. And you can't deny that, during the time when Marx got the idea, the people who supported the upper class on their shoulders were getting very badly screwed. You wouldn't happen to have heard of Leo Tolstoy, would you?

In RL France, there's a ton of trade with England, and in this particular situation I'd imagine that trade with england is very very little.

Absolutley fine with me AC. If you are willing to sell oil, I will happily buy it, no questions asked.

Communism was not supposed to be increasing a nation's industrial potential. Marx proposed that communism would have to follow a democratic revolution in order to be successful. Namely, a democratic/capitalist government would build up the nation's industrial power to a point where the communist system would take over and guide the nation onwards.

The United African Republic of Lusaka has just about the most erratic economy in the world, thanks previously to Igomo's trademark changes of heart in just about every aspect of national life, and recently to chronic instability.

Oil consumption as such is also unpredictable, with the once huge, relatively well mechanised army now barely moving its vehicles at all, and the government cracking-down on civilian movements.

Presently, consumption is under 40,000 barrels per day. The total has been as low as 32,000, but, in the event of another economic recovery it could easily double.
Recovery has been less likely since Tendyala's coup alienated Lusaka from many of its traditional socialist-bloc trade partners and left it vulnerable to fluctuating raw material prices. Some hopes exist that fighting in Asia and Europe and Russia's unrest will push up raw material prices and enable a recovery in Lusaka, which will see oil consumption on the rise again.

Production is nil, as no commercially viable reserves are known to exist.

Since the Tendyala coup, Lusaka has bought small amounts of Al Khali oil, and probably Roycelandian. Al Azhad seems another likely source for the Republic's scant needs.

I would imagine, with Igomo gone, Hindustan is reluctant to trade with Lusaka, although not totally unwilling.

((That's good, really. We've lost a lot of trade with BG and with BG-friendly Madagascar already, which was previously very good for Igomo's Republic was it was mainly Lusakan raw materials for Indian raw materials and technology/technical help. Without the material trade the nation has to export raw materials almost exclusively to the capitalist world, and without the technical aid is not very competative. It is good because I don't want the Lusakan economy to do too well, and all the unrest in the world, I suspect, would potentially be pushing-up the value of our exports, helping the economy. Loss of more traditional trade partners should off-set that a little.))

As a member of the Yukos/MOil Joint Oil Conglomerate, I'd challenge your claim to being the largest producer.

Furthermore, this system would be great.....but there's a few flaws.

First, who claims what, how many times its claimed..........imaginary territory....offsea rigs.....whether or not you would've sucked the wells dry by now...


Etc.

Anywho, I'll still try to go along with this....I'll have my CFO post some figures here sometime.

I must join in this as a member of YUKOS. Also, because I own Texas, Louisiana and the Gulf of Mexico's production via the NOOGEES, Inc. company (Norleans Offshore Oil & Gas Exploration & Extraction Systems). We have an interest in YUKOS (and they in us) and we are listed on the L.S.E. Stock Exchange. We produce over 600 million barrels of oil/day from our land based Texas holding alone (SOURCE: (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/01/100/charts/oilproducers.html) ) when you add our Louisiana and Gulf of Mexico Holdings and factor in our association with YUKOS, you have an issue you need to deal with. Once you've dealt with it, consider our natural gas production.

On the other hand, and addressing issues raised by others in this thread, we produce more oil than we need and gladly sell it. - $40.00/barrel in 1,000,000 barrel lots as of today.

Sorry, this is for the A Modern World RPing community (where in the mentioned territories are part of Quinntonia).

Sorry, this is for the A Modern World RPing community (wherein the mentioned territories are part of Quinntonia).

Oh, OK, not a general NS World RP? Then in the words of the immortal Emily Latella: "Nevermind - Bitch!" :D

OOC: you may need to be over 40 to know who Emily Latella is and not get offended by the use of the word "Bitch" but trust me, I mean no offense, rent some old Saturday Night Live videos. :: Peace ::

Your RP idea for your "world" is pretty good. I only objected because I didn't understand the limitation you had created. Dumbass me. :(

Ah, don't worry about it, I doubt that anyone will feel put-out by the intrusion.
Feel free to check out the A Modern World recruitment thread (erm, I think it's linked in the region of the same name) in the event of you wanting in on a realism-based world.
*tips hat*

UE>>

Here goes my overview of the African Commonwealth part in the oil market. I'm horribly inexperienced in these matters as oil never interested me that much, but it has evidently become necessary to give it a go. If any of you think this is unrealistic in part or in whole(and it may well be, so don't hold back, I want it to be as exact as it can be), please inform me and we'll sort it out.

The African Commonwealth covers most of the former Democratic Republic of Congo, the northern area of the republic of Congo, and nearly all of Rwanda and Burundi. It also has it's pseudo-imperialist paws on Angola, but it is unlikely to be a functioning member of the Commonwealth any time soon, if ever. Once carved out of sub-saharan Africa by the empathic and courageous dictator Nwabudike James after the death of weak-willed Congolese tyrant Laurent Kabila; the AC is now an economically sound Commonwealth flanking western nations in areas such as defense, industrial efficiency and health care, lead from Kinshasa in the former Congo.

The government is undergoing a transition from dictatorship to a representative democracy, with many difficulties ahead, not the least of which is the all-pervasive AIDS virus, local insurgencies and of course the fact that it's regional nations will not stop the h*ll interfering in it's business ;)

So, being wealthier and more advanced than the war-torn poverty-stricken RL lands it occupies, the AC can evidently utilize the natural oil and gas resources in its lands way better. Also, advanced military and power sectors employing many modern effects such as advanced main battle tanks, reactive drills, radar planes, cruise missiles and the like, the AC swallows up oil very fast indeed, particularly when stuck in armed conflict. Civic power generation is handled mainly by several well-maintained nuclear power plants, and some coal/gas power plants and even alternative power plants. This spread-out ensures that no more oil than necessary goes into the civil power grid.

Democratic Republic of the African Commonwealth

Congolese Crude Oil
Area: the former D.R. of Congo
Companies: Commonwealth Drilling and Power*
Proven Reserves thus far: approx. 1.60 billion barrels
Production: 68,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 40,000 barrels per day
Exports: Not applicable.
Price: N/A

Republican Oil
Area: northern wastes of what was the Republic of Congo
Companies: Magna PC power, INC.**
Proven Reserves thus far: Seeing as richer southern fields lie firmly under the control of Middle Congo(is he still there?), reserves here are about 73,000 million barrels.
Production: 105,000 barrels per day
Domestic Consumption: 4000 barrels per day.
Exports: N/A
Price: N/A

Rwanda-Burundi Crude Oil
Area: Burundi and Rwanda
Companies: Commonwealth Drilling and Power*, Magna PC power, INC.**
Proven Reserves thus far: May be as little as 500,000 barrels - Tests have only been started recently because of the ever-rampant tensions of the Hutu-Tutsi rivalry that finally calmed down after the formation of the Commonwealth.
Production: None yet.
Consumption: 11,000 barrels per day.
Exports: N/A
Price: N/A

*Nationalized power company, sits firmly on the largest reserves and ensures that the military and export sectors get their share.
** Private enterprise, is bent on producing enough oil that they can stop selling it all to the Commonwealth itself and get onto the lucrative international market.

So, I'd like to maybe export a little, but as it stands I'm probably more of an importing nation when it comes to oil. I can imagine import partners could be the likes of Al-khals or maybe Al-Ahzad when they get their stuff together. Now, if you need gas or diamonds, we're your guy ;)

Well, if you need oil, Russia is your man. Or woman. Or large nation of multiple genders. Yeah.

The United African Republic of Lusaka has just about the most erratic economy in the world, thanks previously to Igomo's trademark changes of heart in just about every aspect of national life, and recently to chronic instability.

Oil consumption as such is also unpredictable, with the once huge, relatively well mechanised army now barely moving its vehicles at all, and the government cracking-down on civilian movements.

Presently, consumption is under 40,000 barrels per day. The total has been as low as 32,000, but, in the event of another economic recovery it could easily double.
Recovery has been less likely since Tendyala's coup alienated Lusaka from many of its traditional socialist-bloc trade partners and left it vulnerable to fluctuating raw material prices. Some hopes exist that fighting in Asia and Europe and Russia's unrest will push up raw material prices and enable a recovery in Lusaka, which will see oil consumption on the rise again.

Production is nil, as no commercially viable reserves are known to exist.

Since the Tendyala coup, Lusaka has bought small amounts of Al Khali oil, and probably Roycelandian. Al Azhad seems another likely source for the Republic's scant needs.
So without Igomo, you are moving onto capitalism? If so, Russia would heartily offer sales of its wonderful oil. In fact, our oil is so wonderful, part of the profits are skimmed off by the Mafia! Did I just say that out loud?

Armandian Cheese>> The government of African Commonwealth might be interested in buying off some Russian oil to keep divisions deployed in Angola sharp for as long as it may require. Is it cheap?

The AC Government can also count on sales of Roycelandian Oil should they need it, and Roycelandia will even sell it (begrudgingly) to Lusaka, since we're not total bastards... :-P

Armandian Cheese>> The government of African Commonwealth might be interested in buying off some Russian oil to keep divisions deployed in Angola sharp for as long as it may require. Is it cheap?
It's a tiny bit above market price, since we are experiencing some internal turmoil. We offer volume discounts, however.

In that case AC will wait till things calm down, and instead buy off Al-Khals and Roycelandia.

Well, if you're going the illegal route, you could buy tax free oil from the Mafia. Along with other things...That aren't exactly legal...

Estenlandian agents are buying every drop of illegal oil that the mafia can provide, and shipping it with full naval escort to the Crimea.

King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Thanks AC and others for your posts, unfortunately I dont really have time at the moment to put this altogether, so unless someone wants to help me on the tedious task of amalgamating things, then it'll have to wait for a bit, so sorry for the delays.

Well, if you could tell me how to do it, I might be able to help.

Terribly sorry if it's already been mentioned, but there is a reserve of oil in Lyong, touching Spyran and Yamani territory. Spyr would have to be consulted on the figures we were using before entering AMW, but it the Yamani oil supply running into Dra-pol has been rped in the past. Most likely, the reserve is unlikely to affect the world economy, but it does have importance to the local region.

In business news, Taiwanese oil company ExxonChina has sent Armandian Cheese an expression of interest for the establishment of a long term oil procurement contract for delivery through the Sino-Taiwan oil pipeline.

(OOC: Just call me Russia IC wise.))
Our government would be very interested in allowing this, and has already informed several oil corporations, which seem eager to spur economic recovery. A question should be noted however...Through where should this pipe line run?

Two different routes have been proposed :

The preferred route is a pipeline through the province of Xinjiang and Central Sino, with an underwater pipeline through the Taiwan Straits.

Failing that, oil can be tranported by a proposed pipeline connecting Siberia to the southern tip of Sakhalin where it can be transported via oil tanker to Tainan.

[Edited to take account of AMW geography)

(In AMW, Vladivostok is, I think, Lyong territory, not Russian, so there may be issues there on which Spyr and/or North Yaman (and possibly Dra-pol) would need consulting if the first route does not work out.)

But a massive pipeline right across the border to me would be just fine.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

How about...not? Yeah, I'll just put a huge pipeline on the border of a nation that already claims my country as its divine property...
As for NY, I believe the first option should do well, although...does it go through any NPC nations?

(The first option goes through Xiaguo and Sino)

Sorry there. I hadn't seen any maps before, and did not know exactly how your territorial possessions were arranged. Alright, let us begin work on this pipeline.

Brilliant, what will be the price per barrel?

Hmmm...I'll have to look that up...I;m not exactly up to date with Russian oil prices...

Well, if anybody wants to supply a little cash, there is potential for oil drilling in East Timor.

I think that Hindustan is probably floating East Timor with its aid cash, but is not going so far as to promote drilling in the country itself, and I would think that president Jose Gusmao is probably against it too.

You had to mention that a weak, tiny, and defenseless nation has the potential for oil drilling. Now, every power hungry megalomaniac in AMW is going to pounce!