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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7858906
That's the official RP thread; since it's been cluttered a bit too much with OOC comments, I've made this thread for those. Keep all comments here, please. That includes any questions about the RP that those of you who are not participating in it might have.

When, pray tell, do the condemnations and saber-rattling as RALM puts it end and the preparations for war begin? Has anyone compiled a reasonable list of forces?

Ah... yea... forces...
hmm.... i'll think about it. Definitely my Skorpion Raider/Inquistion corps will be involved. They're my state funded terrorist group and experts at both terrorism and counter terrorism as well as a whole buttload of other types of warfare.

Actually, no, I haven't, because I have yet to fully educate myself on how they would be composed. Once I do, which should be soon, I can write them up; we need every nation involved to do so, however, before we can really go after the RALM, and before that, we need to find out that the Merchant Guilds is hiding them. Keep in mind that now we're all at war with Dimmimar as well.

My Armed Forces

Mechanized Assets

1st Tank Division

35 M3 Serpentius Tanks
30 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles
45 Self Propelled Halama Artillery
20 Type 99 155mm HSP
10 Type 90 Tanks
60 Challenger Main Battle Tanks
5 T-90s Command Relay Tanks
10 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
6 M6 Bradley Forward-Backer

2nd Tank Division

35 M3 Serpentius Tanks
30 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles
45 Self Propelled Halama Artillery
20 Type 99 155mm HSP
10 Type 90 Tanks
60 Challenger Main Battle Tanks
5 T-90s Command Relay Tanks
10 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
6 M6 Bradley Forward-Backer

3rd Tank Division

35 M3 Serpentius Tanks
30 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles
45 Self Propelled Halama Artillery
20 Type 99 155mm HSP
10 Type 90 Tanks
60 Challenger Main Battle Tanks
5 T-90s Command Relay Tanks
10 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
6 M6 Bradley Forward-Backer


4th Tank Division

35 M3 Serpentius Tanks
30 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles
45 Self Propelled Halama Artillery
20 Type 99 155mm HSP
10 Type 90 Tanks
60 Challenger Main Battle Tanks
5 T-90s Command Relay Tanks
10 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
6 M6 Bradley Forward-Backer

5th Tank Division

35 M3 Serpentius Tanks
30 BMP-3 Fighting Vehicles
45 Self Propelled Halama Artillery
20 Type 99 155mm HSP
10 Type 90 Tanks
60 Challenger Main Battle Tanks
5 T-90s Command Relay Tanks
10 M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer
6 M6 Bradley Forward-Backer

Infantry Assests

Ist Infantry Division
500,000 "Men-at-arms"
KOP Support APC's (2500)
Bio-Toxin Support
Officer Command
Air Support
LAP Howitzers (250)

2nd Infantry Division
500,000 "Men-at-arms"
KOP Support APC's (2500)
Bio-Toxin Support
Officer Command
Air Support
LAP Howitzers (250)

3rd Infantry Division
500,000 "Men-at-arms"
KOP Support APC's (2500)
Bio-Toxin support
Officer Command
Air Support
LAP Howitzers (250)

4th Infantry Division
500,000 "Men-at-arms"
KOP Support APC's (2500)
Bio-Toxin Support
Officer Command
Air Support
LAP Howitzers (250)

Naval Assets

1st Naval Fleet
5 Nimitz Carriers
24 Naval Escort Destroyers
7 Missile Frigates
25 Nuclear Combat Submarines
23 Support Carriers
12 Hospital Ships (Unafiliated, will take any wounded people)
23 Re-supply Ships
120 Small Troop Carriers

2nd Naval Fleet
5 Nimitz Carriers
24 Naval Escort Destroyers
7 Missile Frigates
25 Nuclear Combat Submarines
23 Support Carriers
12 Hospital Ships (Unafiliated, will take any wounded people)
23 Re-supply Ships
120 Small Troop Carriers

3rd Naval Fleet
5 Nimitz Carriers
24 Naval Escort Destroyers
7 Missile Frigates
25 Nuclear Combat Submarines
23 Support Carriers
12 Hospital Ships (Unafiliated, will take any wounded people)
23 Re-supply Ships
120 Small Troop Carriers

Air Assets

1st Air Armada

250 ABI Bombers
400 "Jonas" XIM Fighters
300 KIM Fighter-Bombers
200 PIL Fighters
300 Ground Crews


2nd Air Armada

250 ABI Bombers
400 "Jonas" XIM Fighters
300 KIM Fighter-Bombers
200 PIL Fighters
300 Ground Crews

3rd Air Armada

250 ABI Bombers
400 "Jonas" XIM Fighters
300 KIM Fighter-Bombers
200 PIL Fighters
300 Ground Crews



Good ;)

Oh dear god; not only do you have a much better grasp of how to lay out troops, I think we're screwed, unless we get some really old and powerful nation on our side. How, though, I do not know.

OOC: The Merchant Guilds said that from the git go before Dimmimar joined their side. We were outgunned from the onset so this is more or less a fruitless effort. I am sticking to my guns, for every action there is a reaction so. I am going to start a state funded terrorist organization of my own, wave the flag of social injustice and voila, I too can posion nations with VX nerve agent and other fun radioactive toys.

OOC: I'm asking for several other nations from my region to join in, though, so we might still have a chance. I want to win this war, not lose it.

This is an OOC thread, do we have to include OOC: ?

No, I don't think so; I just did it automatically. And let me say this: I have my reasons to believe that we will gain support, some very good support. I won't say why, or say anything more than that; just accept that I have my reasons for believing so.

PIcaRDMPCia, have you got a map of your nation? I'll need one...

Negative; in fact, I'm not even certain how it looks. I might just declare it to be that of the United States, but then I'd feel like I wasn't being creative enough...hmm...
Also, you made a sound point in the IC thread with your post; sound tactics could win this for us. We'll just have to work it all out.
Thing is, we may want to delay the initial invasion of my own nation; we might want another nation to be in the way, like Winter's End or GHI. Something to give me breathing space, at least.

I see that you took my hint ;)

I see that you took my hint ;)
Of course; I'm a master of subtly. Though weirdly at one point last night I was picturing this pitched battle between Dimmimar's leader and President Carpenter, but that's not going to happen, especially considering the way this will work out.

We can use Winters End as a base of operations except RALM still has a the remainder of a terror cell there. I gave them free run of the place to create as much havoc as wanted since I don't want any nastiness occurring on my home turf. Poor puppet nation. heh. The last thing we want is to locate our central command somewhere that RALM can target and blow to kingdom come?
I am not sure if we could RP it this way but would it be acceptable to keep the central command in a safe location and not have to divulge where it is?

Dimmimar, are you aligned with one of the many Earth I - V or whatever they may be at now or is this a free for all?

Why?

So if my defence budget is $328,936,194,048.00... how many troops can I send out? *is a n00b*
Also, is there some kind of tutorial anywhere on how to do that big list of military we will be using?

I believe some are linked in the "What Godmodding is" thread that is stickyfied.

Why?

In case we send over maps of terrain etc. there will be the inevitable threadjack by someone claiming they own Lithuania in Earth XVII and yada yada yada. :)

I just got a telegram from some random nation giving us some great tips on how we might turn the tide: attack Dimmimar's oil supply. Do you think we could RP this into it? Because I believe that some of us have some commando's capable of it, and there's always P3x1994 or whatever his number was mercenary forces.

Well the A-N (Austro-Navian) High Command has considered sending Special Detachment Regt. No.1 to attack Oil supplies SAS style. Not the entire Regt. but some squads and units of it such as the raider squads, jeeps, lmg's, C4 explosives, the best raiders in the Holy Empire Region of Solomaurnia...

I will try to consider sending the units in on their precious oil supplies. We could also try to make other countries not deal oil with them...like an embargo. I'll also ask my allies in my region to join the fight.

I just got a telegram from some random nation giving us some great tips on how we might turn the tide: attack Dimmimar's oil supply. Do you think we could RP this into it? Because I believe that some of us have some commando's capable of it, and there's always P3x1994 or whatever his number was mercenary forces.

I was thinking along the same lines. There are plenty of mercenary organizations out there willing to take a good hunk of dough for such a job. I would imagine it would be quite interesting to fend off an attack by an organized coalition only to have two or three mercenary outfits operating within your borders causing havoc.

Damn you all for not have instant messenger! hehe

I will try to consider sending the units in on their precious oil supplies. We could also try to make other countries not deal oil with them...like an embargo. I'll also ask my allies in my region to join the fight.

This is related to the question I had before, it would be hard to place an embargo on any nation if they are located on ten different earths.

Do any of you know what the best tool for making maps is? I need to make a map of my nation, and I want it to look good, and with sufficient detail. Also, I figured I could add the borders of a few nations to the edge of the map; anyone want to share a border with me other than Poptartrea, which already does?
Dimmimar, you can't, by the way.

OOC: Let's see.....I think the main part of my fight, again, is my terror acts.

Calculated, my available army is only 720,000 people, conservatively estimated using 4% of my pop. Even then, many of them will probably be out defending my HQ (about 75%), so therefore, I will have about only 180,000 men to break up into cells and go abroad with.

I play using 100 man cells, called "Brigades."

Should I try and make an international front organization, like some kind of fake company or association, to gain more men and support as part of this?

I yoked an existing map and modified it to suit my needs. Bangladesh was the lucky victim. Are you looking for topographical info?

I yoked an existing map and modified it to suit my needs. Bangladesh was the lucky victim. Are you looking for topographical info?
Negative; I'm looking for free software that I can use to make a completely new map.

OOC: Let's see.....I think the main part of my fight, again, is my terror acts.

Calculated, my available army is only 720,000 people, conservatively estimated using 4% of my pop. Even then, many of them will probably be out defending my HQ (about 75%), so therefore, I will have about only 180,000 men to break up into cells and go abroad with.

I play using 100 man cells, called "Brigades."

Should I try and make an international front organization, like some kind of fake company or association, to gain more men and support as part of this?

I didn't think you were using the population as a whole to base your numbers and relied more on a large terror organization with many cells, having your home base in Merchant Guilds' Alpha colony? The main brunt of the force would be Merchant Guilds and any allies as this would take place on their turf?

Y'know, all the people involved in this MT war should decide to go Futuretech. FT could definately use alot more good, non-godmodding, understandeable people with a firm grasp of both mathematics and english.

Just an offer.

Negative; I'm looking for free software that I can use to make a completely new map.

Ahh too bad, I have satellite imaging software and can pretty much get anything I want within reason. :)

Ahh too bad, I have satellite imaging software and can pretty much get anything I want within reason. :)
Still, do you know of a good piece of software that I can use easily to do what I want?
Y'know, all the people involved in this MT war should decide to go Futuretech. FT could definately use alot more good, non-godmodding, understandeable people with a firm grasp of both mathematics and english.

Just an offer.
I'm certainly approaching it, but I want to stay modern tech for the time being. I'm basically just slightly more advanced, in the way the US would be had it not cut off the space program.

Ah. Alrighty. But I'd like to extend another offer.

If you have space-flight capability, you are eligable to apply for membership to the United Space Federation.

The boards are here:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/USF_Communications/index.php?act=idx

The ones I know of are more geared towards wargame maps..

I didn't think you were using the population as a whole to base your numbers and relied more on a large terror organization with many cells, having your home base in Merchant Guilds' Alpha colony? The main brunt of the force would be Merchant Guilds and any allies as this would take place on their turf?

That is also an important part of it, the whole "international" thing, but also, the story goes, plenty of followers of the old ALM after the fialed election moved West to a new Commune in the Xinjiang Region. Those people, later moved to the Merchant Guilds.

Still, I never thought of it like that, good point. We do recruit from all over, our Snake Eater Brigade leader, Ryan Monahan, is supposed to be an ex-IRA bomber.

Better redo my army....

So long as I'm able to make a decent map with sufficient detail with it, and it's free, I don't care what it was designed for; please link me. :)
Zustande, I just might do that, seeing as how I have space-flight capability; I wouldn't have my space-born nuclear defense network without it.

Qua'plach!

Yes, captain PIcaRDMPCia.

And if you were to join, you would be eligible for war-time assistance... :D
As well as technology
And defense
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

Qua'plach!

Yes, captain PIcaRDMPCia.

And if you were to join, you would be eligible for war-time assistance... :D
As well as technology
And defense
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...
Really? Hmm...Bwhahahaha...I'm definitely applying immediately then; we need all the help we can get.

Good. I'll send a Destroyer as soon as I can... but it may be interrupted by the Civil War I'm in...

Note: For reasons as your enemies are Modern Tech, I will not be employing our highest technologies. Our troops will be armed with simply more advanced rifles and pistols that still kill things. But none of my uber-can-blow-up-every-single-enemy-in-three-nanoseconds weapons.

Good. I'll send a Destroyer as soon as I can... but it may be interrupted by the Civil War I'm in...

Note: For reasons as your enemies are Modern Tech, I will not be employing our highest technologies. Our troops will be armed with simply more advanced rifles and pistols that still kill things. But none of my uber-can-blow-up-every-single-enemy-in-three-nanoseconds weapons.
Fine with me; any help is welcome.

So long as I'm able to make a decent map with sufficient detail with it, and it's free, I don't care what it was designed for; please link me. :)

I have one installed on my pc that I use for Warhammer and Battletech.. I got it from a buddy that RPs those. It was a paid proggie though, I can throw together something quick and show you what it does?

Alrighty.

map maker (http://www.nbos.com/)

I have one installed on my pc that I use for Warhammer and Battletech.. I got it from a buddy that RPs those. It was a paid proggie though, I can throw together something quick and show you what it does?
OK, sure. Post it here please.

Posted above, the link to the trial version is on there but it isn't half as useful. The other route is me finding you a hunk of nation like this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/zerogeeR6/NationStates/key.bmp) and zoom in to where you like it.

Thank you anyway; I'll just take the trial version and do what I can with it.

This search (http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&q=map%20making%20software) yielded a bunch of hits that may do well for your needs. I can't visit most of the sites because of the web filter here at work. I noticed that program I mentioned was listed there as well.

Oh, just so you all know, I have 250 tactical nuclear weapons now, purchased in another thread; the radiation dissipates quickly, so they're perfect for setting on military bases. Possible we could RP catching Dimmimar's forces in a couple...

Poptartrea's out if a single nuclear weapon is used by its allies. Circumstances are irrelavent.

Map question: Is a large spiral shaped island just too daft and obviously broken? Of course it most definately wouldn't be natural.

No, not really. And are you certain about the nuclear weapons? We're talking about the probable difference between victory--which means Dimmimar is beaten back, the RALM is destroyed, and all is well--and defeat--all of us are destroyed. Dimmimar won't settle for destroying me; he'll go after every other nation as well, including Poptartrea, whether you back out or not. Besides, we're talking about a tactical nuclear weapon, which is much less powerful, plus the radiation dissipate within 48 hours so there's no leftover waste. And I'm telling you right now that I would never use it against a civilian target; only on his military forces.

1) My oil supplies are in my country, you probably wouldn't have a chance.

2) Any nation deploying nuclear weapons against my forces, tactical or not, I will retaliate with thousands. This should be a good rp, but any nukes and you and your allies will go down....

Do any of you know what the best tool for making maps is? I need to make a map of my nation, and I want it to look good, and with sufficient detail. Also, I figured I could add the borders of a few nations to the edge of the map; anyone want to share a border with me other than Poptartrea, which already does?
Dimmimar, you can't, by the way.

I don't mind sharing a border.
We're in the same region, so...

I just remembered something fairly interesting; We have ninja's in our army (No joke! I got an issue about it!)
And who would want to go to war with some awesome Ninja's?

Quite certain. Unlike some (Read: RALM, Dimmimar, and MassPwnage), we Poptartreans hold ourselves to specific standards. One of them being staunch anti-nuclear policies.

And I wouldn't be suprised if the amine (Intentional self-depreciatory humor) nerds have an army consisting of ninjas who can turn into animals.

1) My oil supplies are in my country, you probably wouldn't have a chance.

2) Any nation deploying nuclear weapons against my forces, tactical or not, I will retaliate with thousands. This should be a good rp, but any nukes and you and your allies will go down....
1. Doesn't matter; infiltration can be managed either way.

2. Dammit, you've got us there, and even though I've got a satallite nuclear defense network, it would stop at most 70% of the nukes.

2. Dammit, you've got us there, and even though I've got a satallite nuclear defense network, it would stop at most 70% of the nukes.


Are you sure you're Future Perfect Tech?

Quite certain. Unlike some (Read: RALM, Dimmimar, and MassPwnage), we Poptartreans hold ourselves to specific standards. One of them being staunch anti-nuclear policies.

And I wouldn't be suprised if the amine (Intentional self-depreciatory humor) nerds have an army consisting of ninjas who can turn into animals.
Actually, we hold ourselves to the same principals; the tactical nukes were purchased to be used as a last resort. A very last resort.
EDIT: As I said, Brendan, we're sort of inbetween. Slightly more advanced, but not much more so.

Wait...we've got some future tech allies of our own; maybe they can stop any nuclear missiles from Dimmimar.

1) The whole point is that Law and Order is the most funded. The Oil Fields are guarded by millions of men [literally, the army barracks are right near them.]

1) The whole point is that Law and Order is the most funded. The Oil Fields are guarded by millions of men [literally, the army barracks are right near them.]
Very well, we probably wouldn't manage it then.

Well, luckily, i don't use oil. MWAHAHAHA GO FUSION!

Anyway, I have nukes as well, so do at least 2 other nations in the coalition. How about no full scale nuclear war then?

At this point it's obvious we're going to need some help from above. Anyone know any large, belligerant liberal countries that wouldn't mind helpin a comrade out?

Well, we do have Canad a, which is a really old nation, and I'm a member of the United Space Federation now, so we'll be getting some help from them. It's possible that with their future tech we could have them keep Dimmimar's nukes from launching, but that would probably be godmodding, eh?

I'm in the Empire of One, but i want to keep them out of this for now.

Major Industry: Arms Manufacturing

I'm guessing I will be able to supply a lot of needed weapons to my allies? If only I could figure out how to... *is a n00b*

Poptartrea: Unfortunately, my ninja's can not turn into animals. They were, however, trained since they were young children. My nation seems to have a policy of taking babies from their mother's to be trained in the military/ninja school...place.

YAY! So does mine!

YAY! So does mine!
Hoorah for practically no freedoms for children!

I'm guessing I will be able to supply a lot of needed weapons to my allies? If only I could figure out how to... *is a n00b*

Poptartrea: Unfortunately, my ninja's can not turn into animals. They were, however, trained since they were young children. My nation seems to have a policy of taking babies from their mother's to be trained in the military/ninja school...place.
It's called a Dojo, Adam. And sure; any arms you can provide would be more than welcome...especially vehicles.

It's called a Dojo, Adam. And sure; any arms you can provide would be more than welcome...especially vehicles.
Not when it's combined with the military it's not. ;) It's called a Milojo.
And yeah I'll provide vehicles... when I figured out this whole "trying to find out what kind of arms/vehicles/weapons I can legally have in the game without godmoding" thing. Meh.

Not when it's combined with the military it's not. ;) It's called a Milojo.
And yeah I'll provide vehicles... when I figured out this whole "trying to find out what kind of arms/vehicles/weapons I can legally have in the game without godmoding" thing. Meh.
I think you should ask some of the other RPers here; with your budget, though, you should be able to field quite the large amount.

I think you should ask some of the other RPers here; with your budget, though, you should be able to field quite the large amount.

That probably is a good idea.
I'm also checking out the "What Godmoding is" thread for reference. It's proving to be a little bit less than helpful to me, though. The only link which is helpful in my current situation is a link to aircraft prices, not vehicle prices. I'll figure it out though.

And if any other RPer's want to give me any tips on compiling one of those lists of military numbers, equipment, aircraft, etc; they'd be much appreciated.

Could someone enlighten me why PIcaRDMPCia got asploded in the first place?

For attacking the Real ALM, or rather the ALM attacking him :p

Could someone enlighten me why PIcaRDMPCia got asploded in the first place?
Well, initially, I just made the news thread for the heck of it, but it expanded into a retalitory strike by the Real ALM after our declaration to them that we would not condone terrorism for any reason.

But I can only invade once the map has been made...

Which will be done by Sunday, I promise you; it all depends on how much time I get to work on it, and how detailed I want it to be.

Wait, now we have to make maps?
Meh... fine. Mine will have to be hand drawn, unless you don't mind a crappy attempt at using MSPaint in an effective way.

While I'm here, I'll give you a description:
The Kingdom of Bob-omb is a perfect circle in shape. The Bob-omb mountain rang is to the north, and covers approximately 1/8th of the land. A port has been built in the south to accomodate for the shipping of goods, as well as a back up place to dispatch military. The main military dispatch... place... which is an airport is in the centre of Bob-omb, in the north of the huge capital city of Bombtopia. To the north east of the capital is the army barracks, which account for a relatively huge amount of land. The rest of the Kingdom is covered in cities, towns and roads, apart from a small amount of forested area in the south of the Western Quarter and the Uranium mine just east of the forest.
I have a pretty good picture of the map in my mind.
Wait, I guess I might not need to do a map after all, since the only ones likely to be invaded are Picard and ALM/Dimmimar?

And Merchant Guilds, though depending on where we set countries Poptartrea might be invaded as well.

And Merchant Guilds, though depending on where we set countries Poptartrea might be invaded as well.

Sounds good. Can we be continent buddies if that works with your map?

Sounds good. Can we be continent buddies if that works with your map?
Of course; I'll place you on our northern border. I'll just leave an edge, though, so I don't conflict with your own map.

I'm in a weird spot, just place me where you think steaming jungles will be. (Equator)

I'm in a weird spot, just place me where you think steaming jungles will be. (Equator)
OK; you'll be to the south east, off the ocean, as our eastern border is essentially completely coastline. I'll mark the edge of your nation down there.

Guys, check the sign-up thread for your jobs, and please post here to confirm your jobs.

OOC: I'm liking this.......I'm in.

Fine, but remeber my Alpha Colony is pretty much an island fortress (there are weaknesses, which I will tell anyone who attacks me a few of which they can spot in Recon).

I will if you don't mind RP some of my Talon teams/agents working alongside the Real ALM agents. :D

confirm.....
just to say we are a small country..not as small as some, but we do have a few colonies. a couple of small islands and the jewel of our empire, the island of Istarii. A nice shapely country......make it nice...Put me were ever you want..as long as it isn't near the RALM. :D

Guys, check the sign-up thread for your jobs, and please post here to confirm your jobs.
Uh, okay. Confirmed.

Yay; I finished my map. I hope it displays at the proper size; if you need me to send it to you, just leave your e-mail and I'll do so. Anyways, here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/MapofPIcaRDMPCia.gif
Oh, and Dimmimar, before you start invading, we need to work out the initial details. Remember, all of my citizens are armed now, as I released arms to them on page thirteen of the RP thread. Also, there are only two entry points into PIcaRDMPCia for you: through Poptartrea from the north, or along the east coast.

Yay; I finished my map. I hope it displays at the proper size; if you need me to send it to you, just leave your e-mail and I'll do so. Anyways, here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/PIcaRDMPC/MapofPIcaRDMPCia.gif
Oh, and Dimmimar, before you start invading, we need to work out the initial details. Remember, all of my citizens are armed now, as I released arms to them on page thirteen of the RP thread. Also, there are only two entry points into PIcaRDMPCia for you: through Poptartrea from the north, or along the east coast.

OOC: Cool.....

Forgot to post the legend. >_>
Basically, the cities are obvious, the blue lines across the red are rivers, the black lines are major highways(as in uber-major), and the small little black dots all over the place are small towns that I didn't name or give desciptions for.

i'm not in the map becuase i'm from another continent right? just wanna check. So were would my nation be in regards to this map? across the sea? like i am fighting a war away from home...

Those of you not on the map should just place your nation whereever, except for Dimmimar; he's far to the east, hence where he will land. The nation to the south of PIcaRDMPCia is just another nation in my region.