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I am very disappointed in many of the laws passed by the UN.
I always new that the internet was controled by many Liberals, but this is outrageous.
I know that I am not openminded but sometimes I am happy that I am not.
This thread is mainly for those, not only Christians, who express the same feelings for the terrible laws legalizing: Gay rights, Abortion, Euthanasia, Prostitution, Stem cell research, and a few more.
Anyone can argue their premises.

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Is anyone going to reply?

A little impatient, are we? You've waited all of five minutes. Not to mention that you seem to have posted in the wrong forum.

While I consider myself a "liberal moderate" (despite my nation not really representing that), I too have been wondering why the UN in this game seems to be full of such hardcore liberals. A little moderation never hurt anyone, right?

As for "liberals controlling the internet," it's only because we were here first. Liberal governments gave out lots of money to liberal physicists to build a liberal data-sharing network :D (And if you really believe that, you're nuts)

Yes, I too am outraged that the UN is granting people basic human rights and freedoms beyond what the Christian Bible allows. I mean c'mon... who needs freedoms when they can have total morality dictated to them by one dominant religion?

The Colony of Lunar Destiny:
Mayoral Chairman S. Rose:
Allow me to prelude by assuring all concerned that I am a believer in God, Christ His Son, and the Spirit. I believe in the infalibility of the Scriptures and make all effort to follow God's call on my life. Allow me to here present a brief concerning what I perceive as a minor hypocrisy among American Christians in that they claim to promote liberty, claim discrimination in the secularization of American public life (a point on which I agree), yet all the while pushing for the limiting of liberty to those who practice one of many immoral or unwise lifestyles. It is my opinion that all responsible adults are entitled to their own liberty, "liberty for all."
Thesis: "Liberty for all" dictates that some people are going to utilize their liberty in ways contrary to one's own moral, economic, or political opinions.
Example: Homosexual rights. Liberty requires that all persons be allowed to do whatever they please provided such action does not violate the rights of others (e.g. stealing, killing, etc.). If two men or two women together consent to declare themselves "married" and/or can find a minister to perform a ceremony, they are in fact married, as much as a consenting man and woman would be. The real question facing this issue is the public's opinion as to whether the gov't should recognize such unions. For nearly all purposes (taxes, insurance, mail, etc.) gov't recognition of these people's exercise of liberty in no way harms the rights of others. The one particular issue in which said recognition may harm others' rights would be in adoption and foster-care arrangments. Studies show that children are best raised under the age-old traditional family model, therefore it seems prudent for said children to be adopted/cared-for under said model.
Example: Mandatory Seatbelt Laws. Again liberty requires that each driver be permitted to drive with or without his seatbelt. No one's rights are breached by the driver's lack of mental ability. If the driver chooses to operate his automobile without exercising proper safety practices, he is required by the same liberty to abide with and assume responsibility for whatever results may come from his decision.
Further examples could be cited, but these I believe suffice to uphold my thesis.

If you want the hardcore Christian interpretation, none of these things you mention is allowed. If you want the new-age-guru (to borrow a NS phrase) Christian interpretation, they all are (save for prostitution, I'd imagine). It's a matter of just how far you want to go, putting your trust in the re-re-retranslation of the bible's words. Yes, it's an amazing book, whether or not you happen to live by it, but you have to keep in mind that each author had their perspective on the world, even if their opinions tend to line up quite perfectly.

If you look into the real-world UN, its charter and declaration of human rights are actually remarkably liberal, guaranteeing such things as free elementary education, absolute anti-discrimination, full government support for maintaining a "healthy" status, et cetera.

As far as the homosexuality bit, its charter actually states a stand for equality "without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion", but in its Universal Declaration of Human Rights, states that "Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family." While neither of these state "creed" or "sexual orientation", it also doesn't state that "a man and a woman of full age....".

The rights of an unborn child are vague, but the official UN stance is that abortion's legal status should be left to each individual nation. Instead, it states that a woman has a right to healthcare and such should precaution be taken and fail.

But yes, you are right. The NS UN is quite a bit more liberal than the real one. I say it's a reflection on the fact that the average age of NS players tends to be quite a bit younger than the average age of the world.

A little impatient, are we? You've waited all of five minutes. Not to mention that you seem to have posted in the wrong forum.

While I consider myself a "liberal moderate" (despite my nation not really representing that), I too have been wondering why the UN in this game seems to be full of such hardcore liberals. A little moderation never hurt anyone, right?

As for "liberals controlling the internet," it's only because we were here first. Liberal governments gave out lots of money to liberal physicists to build a liberal data-sharing network :D (And if you really believe that, you're nuts)
Sorry about being in wrong forum.
I was not sure where to post this thread

Sorry to butt in, but most liberal countries are participating members of the UN. Hardcore facists like to stay away from international law. Have your say against resolutions, but at the end of the day the majority win.

If you dislike the policies of the United Nations, then don't join it.

The Colony of Lunar Destiny:
Mayoral Chairman S. Rose:
Allow me to prelude by assuring all concerned that I am a believer in God, Christ His Son, and the Spirit. I believe in the infalibility of the Scriptures and make all effort to follow God's call on my life. Allow me to here present a brief concerning what I perceive as a minor hypocrisy among American Christians in that they claim to promote liberty, claim discrimination in the secularization of American public life (a point on which I agree), yet all the while pushing for the limiting of liberty to those who practice one of many immoral or unwise lifestyles. It is my opinion that all responsible adults are entitled to their own liberty, "liberty for all."
Thesis: "Liberty for all" dictates that some people are going to utilize their liberty in ways contrary to one's own moral, economic, or political opinions.
Example: Homosexual rights. Liberty requires that all persons be allowed to do whatever they please provided such action does not violate the rights of others (e.g. stealing, killing, etc.). If two men or two women together consent to declare themselves "married" and/or can find a minister to perform a ceremony, they are in fact married, as much as a consenting man and woman would be. The real question facing this issue is the public's opinion as to whether the gov't should recognize such unions. For nearly all purposes (taxes, insurance, mail, etc.) gov't recognition of these people's exercise of liberty in no way harms the rights of others. The one particular issue in which said recognition may harm others' rights would be in adoption and foster-care arrangments. Studies show that children are best raised under the age-old traditional family model, therefore it seems prudent for said children to be adopted/cared-for under said model.
Example: Mandatory Seatbelt Laws. Again liberty requires that each driver be permitted to drive with or without his seatbelt. No one's rights are breached by the driver's lack of mental ability. If the driver chooses to operate his automobile without exercising proper safety practices, he is required by the same liberty to abide with and assume responsibility for whatever results may come from his decision.
Further examples could be cited, but these I believe suffice to uphold my thesis.
1. No one ever said I was american
2. I am not really concerned about liberty, I think that I could suffer less liberty and others deserve to have less. Admit it they could be saved if they were not permitted to do these things

If you dislike the policies of the United Nations, then don't join it.
That's a problem. I joined to make the world a better place not to let it be taken over by murderers and gays

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"That's a problem. I joined to make the world a better place not to let it be taken over by murderers and gays."

Now, that's not the kind of talk we want to see from our ally in the ACN. Pacitalia is a moderate, progressive capitalist society, and although predominantly Christian, we are still extremely tolerant and frown upon the use of the derogatory word "gays" to describe homosexual people.Vasiliou Bandanaris
Agustinate of International Relations

That's a problem. I joined to make the world a better place not to let it be taken over by murderers and gays

And we don't want it to be taken over by fundamentalist extremists, so we have a bit of a problem. However since the UN is a democratic organisation, it seems the nations of the world would rather have gays and murderers in charge than a band of extremists bent on oppressing anyone that finds their ideology to be somewhat distasteful.

I am very sorry for using derogatory language, Paccitalia
I can get very angered over those who are very left-wing
They can drive me so insane
I am also sorry because it makes other Christians look bad :( :( :(
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