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I think you should all read this thread:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=30

It doesnt seem right at all.

It doesnt seem right at all.

Indeed, people are making conspiracies out of what is genuinely an problem for the moderators. We all know that FWS is pretty much delete on sight because of the trouble he caused a while back. The first time this happened to Decisive Action he was allowed to make a new nation and carry on with the warning "Don't let FWS use your nation".

We now come to the second time and they have once again noticed two scores of the same IP as FWS, a player they will delete on sight if they find him. The IP is the only confirmation they have and it's all they need... the same happens to UN-Multis who sometimes have problems with a network and two UN nations being on the same one but not acting against it would leave a loop hole which the mods can't afford to leave open.

Reading that conversation you can already see that it's clearly a moderation issue and not some stupid political agenda everyone think the moderators have.

Tell me this; out of all of the crap Decisive Action has pulled off, including some really borderline stuff, I think they could easily have acted against him a while ago if it was a matter of politics... the guy was constantly being warned for posting borderline pornography, and yeah, there is a difference between posting something which suggests sex, and describing all the dirty details of torturous anal sex and rape. However it was all handled in a Moderator fashion.

The moderators for these boards are perhaps some of the hardest working I've seen. They come from many different political backgrounds and hey do alot to make sure that we have relatively spam free boards and mediate in alot of tough situations... yet still everyone jumps to accuse them of power abuse despite their hard work.

Personally I'm tired of it. Make what you will of it, but I can't see how this could be politically motivated... if that was the case it wouldn't have gotten this far.

Iuthia is pretty accurate on this detail.

OOC: Hey Prae, thanks to your link, I realized that DA was a blatant puppetwanking noob... look:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7832396&postcount=11

OOC: Hey Prae, thanks to your link, I realized that DA was a blatant puppetwanking noob... look:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7832396&postcount=11

When was this? Most of those puppets I've never even heard of. (I've only been around since May 1)

I suggest, out of politeness for a person who, even though he posts borderline things, it still a good writer and a fair person OOCly. I was one of the first to know about the whole deletion scandal, and as DA told me, just ignore all the people attacking Mississippi. Cause seriously, if they had any guts (This is somewhat of a rant, but true), why didn't they attack him in the first place rather than 'attack' a nation not able to defend itself.

When was this? Most of those puppets I've never even heard of. (I've only been around since May 1)

OOC: Read the rest of the thread, DA switches to VoteEarly to warn Samtonia against his exercises.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385427

Let my motto enlighten you.... @FC

Most of his 'puppets' weren't really active Icly. If you noticed, he named some of them after territories of IC things he claimed, but he hasn't used but one that I've seen.

OOC: Read the rest of the thread, DA switches to VoteEarly to warn Samtonia against his exercises.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385427

Huh. DA doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd hide behind puppets.

Most of his 'puppets' weren't really active Icly. If you noticed, he named some of them after territories of IC things he claimed, but he hasn't used but one that I've seen.

He used VoteEarly to try and give himself an advantage IC. Doing that is puppetwanking, plain and simple.

Read his post on the LOEL forums, he clearly states that VoteEarly is his pupper.....

Huh. DA doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd hide behind puppets.

Either way, he's a puppetwanking noob who should be shunned forever, even if he does get resurrected.

Either way, he's a puppetwanking noob who should be shunned forever, even if he does get resurrected.

Puppetwanking is quite noobish, yes. :(

Oh for God sake. I really don't care if DA gets deleted or not... the moderators, I am sure, have their reasons and are acting in the best interests of NationStates. Just step aside, stop making blind accusations and let them get on with their jobs... it has got to be hard enough for them already. Saying this is politically motivated RL stuff seems a bit farfetched. If the mods really were banning DA because of his RL political affiliations then I’d suspect people like Fascist Confederacy would be banned also… and in case you haven’t noticed, there are plenty of people like that still here and roleplaying. Just stupid, if you ask me.

Didn't you see me say: But one -- ?

I acknowledge he used VoteEarly but none of the others. And how many other NS nations have puppets, hmmm?

I suggest, out of politeness for a person who, even though he posts borderline things, it still a good writer and a fair person OOCly.

His writting was above average, but that doesn't mean you don't get dealt with the same as everyone else. Meanwhile his OOC character wasn't as respectful as you make out, I've had to block him from my MSN when he spouted out a load of crap about my home nation... he can be respectful, but his "jokes" aren't funny in the slightest.

As for the other RPers... well I won't comment on their IC cowardise, I'm just tired of all this "Moderator Conspiracy" shit.

Something happened which was against the rules, he got deleted.

Didn't you see me say: But one -- ?

I acknowledge he used VoteEarly but none of the others. And how many other NS nations have puppets, hmmm?

Yes I did. Puppets = ok when they don't interact ICly.

VoteEarly was used to give him an IC advantage, meaning he puppetwanked.

Puppetwanking is quite noobish, yes. :(

It's only puppet wanking if you use puppets together, i.e to make your nation bigger by using a few combined. Everyone has puppets, but they have to be used seperately unless the people you are RPing with don't mind. You can't force it on people...

I don't know about DA using puppets, the RP's I had with him were just Iuthia and DA.

An early New Years toast to the mods: They did the right thing in putting that white supremacist, fascist piece of sub-human trash to death (figuratively speaking.) May he forever be DEATed on sight.

JRV, I never said there was a moderator conspiracy because he's far Right-Wing. And yes, he used a puppet big f*cking whoopie. What I don't like, is when people come on here and bad mouth him, 'take his nation' (Which, as I said, is being ignored, aswell as the major national players in these threads for the tiem beaing). How would one of you like it if you felt wronged and found out people were trying to destory your nation with no way to defend youself, hmm? Wouldn't f*cking like it would you. And he appoligised for calling those people godmodding losers I hope you all bloody well know.

And no, before you all even mention or think it, DA did not send me here to defend him, I'm doing this on my own accord because I believe in loyalty and respect...

The rest speaks for itself.

And yes, he used a puppet big fucking whoopie.

Suppose I used six 1 bn pop puppets in a war against you. You would, and rightly so, start pissing at me for using a mass of small nations to overwhelm you population wise.

Same principle.

What I don't like, is when people come on here and bad mouth him, 'take his nation' ect...

I agree... people think of me as someone who doesn't like DA, and with good cause concidering the arguements I've had with him. But personally I'll be ignoring any claims of DA territory invaded or destroyed.

Should he come back and somehow my nation doesn't mind having some form of relations (lets face it, Iuthia doesn't get on with them) then I'll concider him to be like Decisive Action was... though I've always kept out of combat with him because as reasonable as his writing can be, his military/economy was wank.

Tyrandis: Did he do that? He used one nation once (That I can find).

Iuthia: I understand that. I'm ignoring any claims to his territory unless he tells me personally or one of his close friends/allies to tell you all otherwise.

Tyrandis: Did he do that? He used one nation once (That I can find).

He used VoteEarly to give himself a second population base and threaten Samtonia. That is puppetwanking, clear and simple.

Tyrandis: Did he do that? He used one nation once (That I can find).

I think he claimed his nation was bigger then it was, but I mostly just ignored that. There is little which can't be solved with a well placed ignore... yes, I RPed with him but I wasn't about to RP combat and if it came to that it would be OOC organised so that:

> He got more reasonable about it
> It wouldn't happen, either by RPing so it wouldn't happen or outright ignoring it.

JRV, I never said there was a moderator conspiracy because he's far Right-Wing.

Well that’s a lie. You suggested to me in MSN that it was because he belonged to the CCC and an actual 'militia'. Do I have to quote the convo or something? ...

What I don't like, is when people come on here and bad mouth him, 'take his nation' (Which, as I said, is being ignored, aswell as the major national players in these threads for the tiem beaing).

Fair enough.

How would one of you like it if you felt wronged and found out people were trying to destory your nation with no way to defend youself, hmm?

Yeah, like when you have to go up against a bunch of puppets and a near unbeatable force… give me a break, FC.

And no, before you all even mention or think it, DA did not send me here to defend him, I'm doing this on my own accord because I believe in loyalty and respect...

Whatever. I don’t care.

For the last time, I said he used a puppet or 'puppet-wanked' as you so crudely put it. Im not trying to deny that.

I suggested it, JRV. Theres a big difference between that and believing it.

I suggested it, JRV. Theres a big difference between that and believing it.

Well, in case you haven’t noticed, it is a little hard to tell over the Internet. I suspected you were just quoting DA, but uhm… you never said you didn’t believe it. You said ‘he thinks it’s because he is a member of the CCC and a militia IRL’. You never told me about anything else, such as the puppet wanking and continued talking about reappealing the mod decision … anyone reading that conversation would have been brought to the same conclusion.

Whether that was deliberate or not intended doesn’t really matter.

EDIT: I was informed about the FWS affair, I forgot to mention.

All the same, DA was a damn good writer....

It wasn't inteded to sound that way, but I can understand the mistake.

All the same, DA was a damn good writer....



OOC: Amen to that. He may have been an IC bad guy in Nationstates ( I got his good side), but he was a good writer. I pray he will come back.

Amen.

All the same, DA was a damn good writer....

Actually, I would concider him to be a "Reasonable" writer... I know posters in Nation States who have wrote some excellent roleplay on a common basis. It's just that given the environment of International Incidents you don't see that many people writing as much as often as he did.

Anyways, all that aside, the main reason I commented on this thread in reaction to the whole "Dodgy Moderator" crap, which I get rather anoyed with. I'm mildly disapointed that someone so crappy got Decisive Action in the end, however I can understand it.

Now will people just concider his nation domant or ignore it and leave the whole thing alone. If he comes back then fine, I don't mind continuing as it was (albeit in a situation where Iuthia wasn't dealing with them in character) if he doesn't then he doesn't exist.

None of this "Lets steal his land" shit.

So, are we done accusing a person who is currently fighting for his right to post on here of being a n00b, a puppet wanker, a godmodder, and a few other items? So what if he posted something effectively flaming and flamebaiting everyone posting on a certain topic without concern about whether or not they were trying to defend him?

Let's see what Sal decides before we start speaking ill of someone.

...a person who is currently fighting for his right to post on here...
Since when did someone have a right to post on a privite website?

...Let's see what Sal decides before we start speaking ill of someone.
It's not like people are sitting in the waiting room of an ER waiting to see if he lives or dies. It's a deleted account on an internet website. People are only stating evidence of his inapropriate RP etiquette. If Sal can dig up enough info to show that he is not allowing FWS to use his nation, then fine. But there is no reason why players should feel like they are stepping on egg shells.

Yes, lets wait to see what Sal decides.

Since when did someone have a right to post on a privite website?

Since when do people have the right to live? Or free speech? Or freedom of religion? The word is also used to indicate privilages people are allowed to enjoy in large numbers. If you want to get down to the reality of the situation, the only right you have is the right to die, as death is the one thing no one can take from you. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives.

It's not like people are sitting in the waiting room of an ER waiting to see if he lives or dies. It's a deleted account on an internet website. People are only stating evidence of his inapropriate RP etiquette. If Sal can dig up enough info to show that he is not allowing FWS to use his nation, then fine. But there is no reason why players should feel like they are stepping on egg shells.

They are attacking him on this forum at a time when he has no ability to respond to the accusations. And not ICly, either. No matter how you look at it, it's flamebait with the way it has been stated on here. The difference is a case of whether or not you are flamebaiting someone on the site.

Since when do people have the right to live? Or free speech? Or freedom of religion? The word is also used to indicate privilages people are allowed to enjoy in large numbers. If you want to get down to the reality of the situation, the only right you have is the right to die, as death is the one thing no one can take from you. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives.
Well, if you are infering the US Constitution, it is government that can not limit your right to speak. Any time you get on a privite website, there is no protection. The owners of the site can do whatever they want. Not one of us has a "Right" to post here.

They are attacking him on this forum at a time when he has no ability to respond to the accusations. And not ICly, either. No matter how you look at it, it's flamebait with the way it has been stated on here. The difference is a case of whether or not you are flamebaiting someone on the site.
People have cited where he has show poor RP etiquette. It is a statement of fact. Not flaming.

I do agree that all these people making IC posts is just silly, and can be classified as godmodding. I hope everyone ignores any claim to DA territory. If a nation ceases they just pass into the ether.

I do agree that all these people making IC posts is just silly, and can be classified as godmodding.

Agreed.

Well, if you are infering the US Constitution, it is government that can not limit your right to speak. Any time you get on a privite website, there is no protection. The owners of the site can do whatever they want. Not one of us has a "Right" to post here.

You missed my point by a longshot.

People have cited where he has show poor RP etiquette. It is a statement of fact. Not flaming.

Yes they have. A few of the other accusations have been flamebait. But let's drop it.

I do agree that all these people making IC posts is just silly, and can be classified as godmodding. I hope everyone ignores any claim to DA territory. If a nation ceases they just pass into the ether.

True. Kahta went in to try to save what he could of the Fabuses in an IC fashion while I don't really care one way or the other what they do with the territory. You can see I also posted ICly, but what I'm asking for is a bit different and a planned response is currently being formulated involving it.

You missed my point by a longshot.
That's only because your first reply to mine was unrelated.

But let's drop it.
Cool by me.

...Kahta went in to try to save what he could of the Fabuses in an IC fashion...
Since the player who controls the Fabuses is deleted (at least for now) no one should be RPing his people, or entering his territory to get his people.

That's only because your first reply to mine was unrelated.

Unrelated to the topic? Partially. Related to the reply? Maybe.

Cool by me.

Now, to wait and see the results of this investigation.

Since the player who controls the Fabuses is deleted (at least for now) no one should be RPing his people, or entering his territory to get his people.

Kahta never entered his territory. I mean he went in the thread for that reason.

In the blunt world, this is an open-and-shut case.

FWS was presented with a DOS.
CM was DEATed as having the same IP as FWS.
(CM) stated he was not FWS.
The Mods stated CM would stay DEATed, but (CM) could reappear as DA IF HE NEVER USED FWS IP AGAIN.
This was agreed to by both sides.
DA used FWS IP.

The contract was therefore broken. As such, the original DOS was implimented.

Where's the problem here? He pressed the big red button marked "DO NOT PUSH", and got the consequences of his actions. His voluntary actions, I should add - no one pushed him into doing this, he did it himself.

Writing skill is not relevant, nor are puppets, nor any of the rest of the blather. He was offered a contract and took it. He then broke the contract. The rest follows logically.

Amen.


Shit, I hope they let him back. As annoying as he was, I will miss the writting. I bet he could write a book if he wanted to.

Not to infer anything...

However, there seems to be a pattern. When FWS was DEATed, he had puppets defend him. Now DA is gone, and "fascist confederacy" is defending him, sounding quite like him.

Just an acute observation here.

Not to infer anything...

However, there seems to be a pattern. When FWS was DEATed, he had puppets defend him. Now DA is gone, and "fascist confederacy" is defending him, sounding quite like him.

Just an acute observation here.


Unless DA can type on MSN on 2 screen names at the same time, and have a skill to be able to pretend he's another person from a different part of the country, and have different typing patterns. Your'e wrong.

Especially considering the general nature of the actual 'crime'... that seems almost impossible.

Not to infer anything...

However, there seems to be a pattern. When FWS was DEATed, he had puppets defend him. Now DA is gone, and "fascist confederacy" is defending him, sounding quite like him.

Just an acute observation here.

Heh. I was waiting for someone to infer that. Okay.. this was what was gonna piss me off.. But I'm gonna remain calm...

1) I have BellSouth as an ISP, DA has Ameritech
2) I live in Florida, DA lives in Cleveland
3) My msn is DerSchwarzSonne@hotmail.com and his is knightofmalta
4) I don't use polygamy on MSN in anyway
5) I'm copying DA in many things
6) IF I WAS DA, DON'T YOU THINK THE MODS WOULD HAVE DELETED ME!?

Now.. That I've made THAT clear... Back to organizing my key governmental officials.

Unless DA can type on MSN on 2 screen names at the same time, and have a skill to be able to pretend he's another person from a different part of the country, and have different typing patterns. Your'e wrong.

Kahta, you're hardly one to use as a source. Nevertheless, it is possible to type on msn as two screen names, if I recall. The other stuff is hardly varifiable. Again, I was only observing.

Heh. I was waiting for someone to infer that. Okay.. this was what was gonna piss me off.. But I'm gonna remain calm...

1) I have BellSouth as an ISP, DA has Ameritech
2) I live in Florida, DA lives in Cleveland
3) My msn is DerSchwarzSonne@hotmail.com and his is knightofmalta
4) I don't use polygamy on MSN in anyway
5) I'm copying DA in many things
6) IF I WAS DA, DON'T YOU THINK THE MODS WOULD HAVE DELETED ME!?

Now.. That I've made THAT clear... Back to organizing my key governmental officials.

For #6 at least, no. He's already shown he can get his hands on two isp's, yours could be a third. The things you posted are fakeable. Again, it was only an observation of things of past, and things of present.

Hardley varifiable? The mods can check my location if need be. But don't you think, since they deleted DA and his puppets, if I was one of his puppets, they'd delete me too? Not to mention, even DPUO and Hogsweat can tell a difference and can verify we're two different people.

Hardley varifiable? The mods can check my location if need be. But don't you think, since they deleted DA and his puppets, if I was one of his puppets, they'd delete me too? Not to mention, even DPUO and Hogsweat can tell a difference and can verify we're two different people.

As I said before, only an observation of what CM has done before, and an analysis of what is happening.

A Florida IP??? Not likely. Not to mention I'm talking to him right now.
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7833919&postcount=47
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
heh.
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=32
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
XD

See? That enough proof for you? Or do you need to come to my home to believe me?

Kahta, you're hardly one to use as a source. Nevertheless, it is possible to type on msn as two screen names, if I recall. The other stuff is hardly varifiable. Again, I was only observing.

How am I hardly one to use?

A Florida IP??? Not likely. Not to mention I'm talking to him right now.
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7833919&postcount=47
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
heh.
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=32
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
XD

See? That enough proof for you? Or do you need to come to my home to believe me?

I do need to come to your home to believe you, and CM's as well.

Well, this is fun...

Well DA, all my puppets despised you IC except for this one. This one thought of your nation as the best humanity had to offer, and I'll probably miss reading your 'overly detailed' RPs (if you catch my meaning) at some point... probably when I'm not hungry... so see you around.

Well, I don't plan to allow you to. And I'm shure DA doesn't either.

Well, I don't plan to allow you to. And I'm shure DA doesn't either.

And I wouldnt come.

Then stop grumbling and believe me or not.

You're the one who keeps going on about it. I dont believe you.

There's a simple way to answer this question. Does the NIC address on DA's card match that of FWS'? The mods have to know that DSL IPs aren't static, so if they stick to their guns then we know DA = FWS.

EDIT: Another thing you have to wonder is whether or not the mods accounted for subnets.

But they didn't SS. They even told him they knew he wasn't FWS.

But they didn't SS. They even told him they knew he wasn't FWS.

Thats what one mod said. The given reason why he was banned, is that he used FWS's IP. There isnt really a discussion here.

VF, don't get me wrong here, I'm just as glad to see the asshole gone as the next guy and I don't want him back. Having said that, I will say this: I can almost guarantee you that FWS didn't have a static IP, you have to rent the IP from SBC and that costs extra money. I'm also wondering just how many people have been banned because the mods didn't account for subnets. I use SBC and I know my line is shared, it's why I don't ever download faster than roughly 80 kb/s on a 300k line.

If I remember correctly, they said that they knew that but said something like:
Well, tough luck for you.

26 that I know of, all at the same college.

VF, don't get me wrong here, I'm just as glad to see the asshole gone as the next guy and I don't want him back. Having said that, I will say this: I can almost guarantee you that FWS didn't have a static IP, you have to rent the IP from SBC and that costs extra money. I'm also wondering just how many people have been banned because the mods didn't account for subnets. I use SBC and I know my line is shared, it's why I don't ever download faster than roughly 80 kb/s on a 300k line.

Still, do you think its a coincidence that this has happened twice to CM, and not once to anyone else?

Still, do you think its a coincidence that this has happened twice to CM, and not once to anyone else?

:Coughs and points to previous post:

:Coughs and points to previous post:

I see no previous post that relates to this

I see no previous post that relates to this

26 people that I know of banned for something similar, only a different IP.

Edit: It makes sense if I had bothered to quote Scandinavian States.

26 people that I know of banned for something similar, only a different IP.

Edit: It makes sense if I had bothered to quote Scandinavian States.

26 people because of FWS's, or 26 because of various other ip-banned people?

26 people because of FWS's, or 26 because of various other ip-banned people?

Other IP-banned people. It's basically saying that, yes, people sometimes get screwed by NS.

I think one thing isn't getting through here. Fascist Confederacy, DA wasn't deleted for being FWS. He was deleted for twice logging on at FWS's IP, and allegedly FWS used DA's account on NS. This was clearly a breach of the agreement DA/CM made never to log on from FWS's account again.

Other IP-banned people. It's basically saying that, yes, people sometimes get screwed by NS.

The fact that FWS and CM were ideologically similar, and that CM on two different occasions used the same IP as FWS, makes it a good bet that they are the same person. There is a small chance this is wrong, but too many factors point the other way to take the risk.

...what did FWS actually do that made his name so 'infamous' in the first place? I either wasn't around when it all went down, or just wasn't paying attention...

The fact that FWS and CM were ideologically similar, and that CM on two different occasions used the same IP as FWS, makes it a good bet that they are the same person. There is a small chance this is wrong, but too many factors point the other way to take the risk.

Which doesn't change anything is a certain IP is targetted.

The fact that FWS and CM were ideologically similar, and that CM on two different occasions used the same IP as FWS, makes it a good bet that they are the same person. There is a small chance this is wrong, but too many factors point the other way to take the risk.

Have you got some kind of vendetta against CM here?

Me and him are ideological polar opposites, yet I greatly enjoyed reading the things he wrote and it enrages me that he is not being aloud back. There are an infinite number of possible situations that could have led to this happening, a large majority of which leave CM innocent of any of FWS' wrong-doings. The real question is, "Has CM done anything KoS worthy?"

In my opinion, no, he hasn't. Puppet-wanking is something that I can bet more than half of NS' players have done sometime in the past, and certainly some more than others. Emotions are a part of being freaking human, you can't blame him for having an inherently slightly shorter fuse.

I can not think of one thing CM has done in the past that warrents the hate that is directed at him, I actually think some of the people who are so vehemently against him are worse than he is.

Either way, he's a puppetwanking noob who should be shunned forever, even if he does get resurrected.
Absolutely nothing wrong with having a couple of puppets here and there. As long you can tell a good story.

Since when do people have the right to live? Or free speech? Or freedom of religion? The word is also used to indicate privilages people are allowed to enjoy in large numbers. If you want to get down to the reality of the situation, the only right you have is the right to die, as death is the one thing no one can take from you. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives.



They are attacking him on this forum at a time when he has no ability to respond to the accusations. And not ICly, either. No matter how you look at it, it's flamebait with the way it has been stated on here. The difference is a case of whether or not you are flamebaiting someone on the site.
hmmm. You know...
This site is hosted in the UK. However, as most of the forum users are Americans, the site does most of its business in the US of A.....

Just food for thought.

You can't really get deleted for puppet-wanking... I think the problem is that it's impossible to really know the difference between allowing FWS to use his account and some ISP issue. All the Moderators have to go on are IPs, if they can't trust those then their main tool is gone... many a nation has had trouble with the UN Multi rule because they use a network, and the moderators can't make acceptions for those because it's impossible to tell the legitimate people from those who are actually breaking rules.

As for actual post offences; he's only gotten warning for explicit material as previously mentioned. His IC racism is kept In Character where it belongs, reguardless of what he is like in real life he hasn't broken that rule otherwise he would have been like Dark Terror a while ago.

As for why FWS is delete on sight? Well I think it's something to do with him going nuts and spamming the hell out of the forums in anger.

And no, Fascist Confederacy is not Decisive Action, he clearly posts differently and the Mods are likely to have done something. This has nothing to do with Decisive Actions politics, it's purely a moderation issue.

However, as most of the forum users are Americans, the site does most of its business in the US of A.....

Though it's not really a business when you're doing it for free now... seriously folks, the moderators do alot of hard work, I know alot of them are working hard to get rid of a big spammer at the moment and quite frankly Nationstates wouldn't be what it is without the hard work they put in. This is why I'm tired of this conspiracy crap... if they wanted Decisive Action out they could have done him a while back while he was posting explicit rape descriptions.

For #6 at least, no. He's already shown he can get his hands on two isp's, yours could be a third. The things you posted are fakeable. Again, it was only an observation of things of past, and things of present.
So because you are suspicious, that automatically makes him guilty?

hmmm. You know...
This site is hosted in the UK. However, as most of the forum users are Americans, the site does most of its business in the US of A.....

Just food for thought.

Which has any influence on something on the internet that has the right to make its own rules and kick out people for any reason it wants to how?

Which has any influence on something on the internet that has the right to make its own rules and kick out people for any reason it wants to how?
Hence the reason why there is a need for a governmental agency to regulate the internet. Preferrably an american agency cause Americans are the fairest people in the world.

Hence the reason why there is a need for a governmental agency to regulate the internet. Preferrably an american agency cause Americans are the fairest people in the world.

Stop trying to shift the topic. If you want to discuss that topic, go to General.

OOC: Amen to that. He may have been an IC bad guy in Nationstates ( I got his good side), but he was a good writer. I pray he will come back.I don't care if he's the next Shakespeare. There are plenty of good writers on here who aren't racist.

In the blunt world, this is an open-and-shut case.

FWS was presented with a DOS.
CM was DEATed as having the same IP as FWS.
(CM) stated he was not FWS.
The Mods stated CM would stay DEATed, but (CM) could reappear as DA IF HE NEVER USED FWS IP AGAIN.
This was agreed to by both sides.
DA used FWS IP.

The contract was therefore broken. As such, the original DOS was implimented.

Where's the problem here? He pressed the big red button marked "DO NOT PUSH", and got the consequences of his actions. His voluntary actions, I should add - no one pushed him into doing this, he did it himself.

Writing skill is not relevant, nor are puppets, nor any of the rest of the blather. He was offered a contract and took it. He then broke the contract. The rest follows logically.

See above. This is not a vendetta - this is a broken contract. To not do something about it would set a very bad precedent. If DA is allowed back after showing he cannot keep his word to the moderators, what does that say about the moderation used? Or enforcement issues?

In short - emotionalism aside, he gave his word, he broke it. He dishonored his word, he broke the contract offered.

Where precisely in that is the wiggle room?

Well, I for one thing hope that DA comes back. He was a good RPer even if I didn't agree with his views OOCly, he was quite good at RPing...

If he doesn't come back we need a new big baaaaaaaad guy :D

Same happened to Nazi Deutschland Axis, he was deleted and the case has never beel cleared up. Supposedly he was 'flaming' in a jewish region with a puppet.

The case at hand now. A non-static IP means there are tons of IP's in a rotation of one ISP going around the network. that change every day/week/month. The principle works like a php script randomly picking an image. Of course, there are more protection features and scripts to prevent the same IP going to one person ever day or whatever time setting they have. The IP doesn't even have to be unique, a hacker doesn't know when an IP is going where so it's a pretty good protection. They go from one user to the other and I have seen this before so I am pretty damn confident in it's truthfulness. From gameservers people were banned because they accidently had the IP of a cheater. WONid's or any other type of cd-key aside they shared the same IP while being a completely different person. You can't prove the opposite and your nailed to the ground. Understandeble, WONid's where changed very easily.

I guess the same happened to DA who got FWS's IP. They have the same ISP so this is possible.

DA did make things entertaining, but I really won't miss him.

I propose a moratorium on all of DA's claims and all RPs relating to the collapse of his nation. Wait and see what the mods rule.

Hence the reason why there is a need for a governmental agency to regulate the internet. Preferrably an american agency cause Americans are the fairest people in the world.

I think that nonprofit in California runs things is fine. Otherwise the government will get rid anything they don't like.

I propose a moratorium on all of DA's claims and all RPs relating to the collapse of his nation. Wait and see what the mods rule.

Too late. Layarteb kicked DA out of Earth II, and I was too, because I pointed out an instance of godmodding.

How are Americans the fairest in the world?

Was that sarcastic/ironic?

How are Americans the fairest in the world?

Was that sarcastic/ironic?

If I'm not mistaken, DA IP banned you from LOEL forums, is that correct?

Isn't that because you were harassing him? You made 10 topics called "HAHA you got DEATED" and you called him a conspiracy asshole.

I made a topic saying it was far-fetched.I never used the word 'asshole'.So unless someone registered using my name (I doubt it) you're making things up.I did make 1 topic saying 'lalalalalala'.And I wasn't IP banned.

You were mistaken, good sir. :rolleyes:

First thing there appears to be a real victim here, Fascist Confederancy. FC is clearly not FWS/DA/CM, his style, his lack of rape/murder/torture in his posts etc. prove that.

I've not yet said anything here and I intend to say no more hereafter, but FC is most certainly not DA. He writes differently, argues differently, and, I would contend, thinks rather differently.

The more fascists that disappear, the happier I am.

The more fascists that disappear, the happier I am.Food for thought:

Most people who play fascist in this game aren't one in real life.

Prehaps, though DA was.

Food for thought:maybe that doesn't really bother me?

Food for thought:maybe that doesn't really bother me?If you don't care why the comment?

I said it doesn't BOTHER me.Perhaps I really do care though.....

I said it doesn't BOTHER me.Perhaps I really do care though.....

Why does it bother you what he does? People like him exist OOCly, and whats it mean to you? Are they plotting to get you? Are they coming after you? Are they plotting to hurt you? If not, then why bother people that don't bother you.

And you didn't have any RPs with him anyways...

All that crap being spouted annoys me.
Perfectly loyal nation!Everyone's a genius!We are perfect!
Now you can all leave me alone.I will cease to bother you all with my rantings.

All that crap being spouted annoys me.
Perfectly loyal nation!Everyone's a genius!We are perfect!
Now you can all leave me alone.I will cease to bother you all with my rantings.

So? Who cares if it annoys you, you were annoying us by acting happy that one of the best RPers here was DEATed.

Also, I know you're a bad person, because you went into the LOEL forum and gloated that DA had been deleted, and that he was a "conspiracy asshole" you made 10 topics about this in LOEL forums.

Sigh, I knew I shouldn't have checked back here.I knew it.

10 threads?Can you COUNT?

What were the titles of these threads?

Can you give me some URLs?

Gloated?Where?What were my words?

I never said 'asshole'.Ever.Ever ever ever ever ever.Ever.

Sigh, I knew I shouldn't have checked back here.I knew it.

10 threads?Can you COUNT?

What were the titles of these threads?

Can you give me some URLs?

Gloated?Where?What were my words?


I did not see the, but DA told me about them VI AIM. He deleted them.

Ohhh.Yep.Handy.

I'll admit, I went on the forums.Here's my post:

The Iraqi Government is supplying weapons to kill the very people who put them into power?

George Bush is an Illuminati puppet trying to find a way to rule the world?

You are the victim of an immense conspiracy to stifle you?


On the site he was saying some very crazy stuff.About being the victim of a conspiracy. And that the world can only be saved by voting for far-right candidates.

I don't care if he's the next Shakespeare. There are plenty of good writers on here who aren't racist.

Calm down. I wasn't endorsing his racist philosophy, if anything, it makes me very nervous. Still, I am inclined to agree with this fellow:

Well, I for one thing hope that DA comes back. He was a good RPer even if I didn't agree with his views OOCly, he was quite good at RPing...

If he doesn't come back we need a new big baaaaaaaad guy :D

I did not see the, but DA told me about them VI AIM. He deleted them.
just so you know, I saw them before they was deleted.

Since I am completely revamping Earth IV I told him via YIM that I would reserve certain nations for him, but I won't be able to reserve north africa.

Since I am completely revamping Earth IV I told him via YIM that I would reserve certain nations for him, but I won't be able to reserve north africa.


Could I please have a spot in Earth IV?

Ohhh.Yep.Handy.

I'll admit, I went on the forums.Here's my post:

The Iraqi Government is supplying weapons to kill the very people who put them into power?

George Bush is an Illuminati puppet trying to find a way to rule the world?

You are the victim of an immense conspiracy to stifle you?


On the site he was saying some very crazy stuff.About being the victim of a conspiracy. And that the world can only be saved by voting for far-right candidates.

Bush is an Illuminati puppet.... And the Iraqi government is more or less giving weapons to "bad guys" by giving them to Iraqi's.

You're a right-winger, then?

You're a right-winger, then?

No, I lean left in some cases, but neither way, on issues where the parties are the same. I'd say I'm economically liberal, and socially conservative.

Hey! That liar is spouting pure lies about me!

Post 7 on the first page of the LOEL forums.

As DA, I basically ignored Samtonia after his "I claim up 1/3 of Earth II" and that is why I really didn't want to RP with him as DA vs Samtonia. But I would have had no problem using another nation to do so.

Although.

As for VoteEarly, VoteEarly was my post-modern future nation, once I realized over IM that Samtonia was not future tech, I didn't use VE to bother him again, I apologize for that. But I never interacted my puppets between themselves.


I was considering using Alexandrian Cabal as an ancient nation, VE was to going to be my future tech, etc.
The hell is this?! I claim the Caribbean, minus Cuba, the Virgin Islands, and Trinidad and Tobago.

Nothing else. Go ask Layertab, who's running Earth II. Go check the thread entitled Earth II: Revitalization. Whatever DA is spouting is pure and utter bullshit. Unless he honestly believes that the Caribbean is 1/3 of the world.

Jesus, before condemnig me, get your facts straight. And as for the puppetwanking? Pfft. He knew it was the only way he could ever stand up to my nation. And FT? Not when you're threateining to nuke someone- which VE did. Blatant and utter puppetwanking, to the highest degree of noobishness. If he were still on, i'd ignore him.

Because RPing is a social contract, in which fairness and equality are agreed upon beforehand, in the thoughts before you even begin an RP. And he broke this contract. and I, quite frankly, am disgusted.

Simple DA deserved to be deated , as I heard he was doing some shady stuff, I wouldint put it past him that he was FWS .

Simple DA deserved to be deated , as I heard he was doing some shady stuff, I wouldint put it past him that he was FWS .

The mods have already stated that they know that DA is not the same as FWS. What shady stuff are you talking about?

Ohh I don’t know posting texted porn on the forums that’s what I heard from iuthia

He hasn't done that in awhile. At least, not in the RPs I have read.

I think it was recent enough

My God, I find myself agreeing with Robert here. It is about time Decisive Action was curbed. Though he was a great writer I was growing sick to death of seeing Robert Falbus this and whoever that. Not to mention that if the mods deleted him for being a Nazi I would still commend them. The New Year is for getting rid of the old and bad. Welcome to a DA free 2005 everyone.

Decisive action was Communist Missippi, who happened to give his nation to Fascist White States... again.
Both have been deleted and their IP's have been blocked.
No more.
No less.

- Midlonia's Player

Am I the only one who thinks 'who cares?'
So what, a nation was deleted. Its no reason for people to come together to gloat or theorise about the how and why of it.
Life goes on.

Though I don’t know all of the details FWS and DA needed to be deat , if they were the same person or not we could never know simply if some one logged in to a nation with different IP’s and one of them was from a deat nation , then the mods cant tell if that nation was back or not there only recourse is to deat that new nation, that has the same IP as the banned nation . hell I cant tell if some has the same person as some one else .

TFU, the mods themselves acknowledge that they aren't the same person.

Ohh I don’t know posting texted porn on the forums that’s what I heard from iuthia

Seeing as he's a fundamentalist/conservative christian, he wouldn't do that.

In the blunt world, this is an open-and-shut case.

FWS was presented with a DOS.
CM was DEATed as having the same IP as FWS.
(CM) stated he was not FWS.
The Mods stated CM would stay DEATed, but (CM) could reappear as DA IF HE NEVER USED FWS IP AGAIN.
This was agreed to by both sides.
DA used FWS IP.

The contract was therefore broken. As such, the original DOS was implimented.

Where's the problem here? He pressed the big red button marked "DO NOT PUSH", and got the consequences of his actions. His voluntary actions, I should add - no one pushed him into doing this, he did it himself.

Writing skill is not relevant, nor are puppets, nor any of the rest of the blather. He was offered a contract and took it. He then broke the contract. The rest follows logically.


Precisely. It's all good and well that he was able to write in coherent sentences, but he got what he deserved, end of story. He broke his agreement - he got axed.

Meh, ive been watching DA out of the corner of my eye and i have to say he wasnt doing anything that would warrant wholesale deletion. I'm not convinced of his innocence, but i feel a better reason must be brought against him. If it's not worthy of a public trial its not worthy.

Ok, this a forum....a game at best...its not the High Court

But i mean, whats pinned on him, the same IP address as someone else, is a shaky charge at best. It doesnt appear that he made any choice to sneakily use the IP address. It hardly gives him any advantage. I dont see any good reason for it myself. Was FWS truly such a menace to society that he must be hunted with such zeal?

TheBrunnerG, you don't understand DA.
DA caused Hatred, and DA caused Love. The Extreme Right, Ala Fascist Confederacy (as seen in this thread) and some other far right wingers (can't remember names) Loved him. He was like a brother to them. However, we of the Extreme Left Wing Hated him. We made an Anti Nazi Pact to counter him and his racial alliances.

DA will go down in history, for being both an asshole (in our world) and being a great guy (in right wing world). He was not just some guy, he was a great asshole. (I mixed both words "great guy" and "asshole" ^^)

Good riddance. But he'll be back. You know it.

Well i heard he has posted text porn before .. i also heard he’s done stupid things.. i would not be surprise if i here he flamed

Well i heard he has posted text porn before .. i also heard he’s done stupid things.. i would not be surprise if i here he flamed

So, in other words, you're basing your opinion completely on word of mouth and nothing else?

I highly suggest leaving the thread TFU, you aren't contributing anything useful.

Nah IE I think I am you see I know he hated me he flamed me on msn for spelling and ignored me for no reason icly

Hey, I know he was loved and loathed, admired and reviled; he will be remembered. If and when most of us leave, if we've made an impact we will be remembered.
All I'm saying is, we can't say 'thats not good enough'. In the end, the Mods are law; what they say goes and they must have had their reasons.

Nah IE I think I am you see I know he hated me he flamed me on msn for spelling and ignored me for no reason icly

All you've managed to post was how "you heard" he did this and that. Why don't you contribute something useful?

The mods are not gods, (despite the affectations of language i use when addressing them :P) there is no reason to assume the are right. Their arguements have more weight, but only to a piont.

[QUOTE=TheBrunnenG]Hey, I know he was loved and loathed, admired and reviled; he will be remembered. If and when most of us leave, if we've made an impact we will be remembered.
All I'm saying is, we can't say 'thats not good enough'. In the end, the Mods are law; what they say goes and they must have had their reasons.[/QUOTE
]
Yup. I fully agree.

Nah IE I think I am you see I know he hated me he flamed me on msn for spelling and ignored me for no reason icly

Thats because you were godmodding with your SCRAMJET shit, and you then proceeded to call everyone there (this is the spelling) "inmbread mother fucker natdzis"

The mods are not gods, (despite the affectations of language i use when addressing them :P) there is no reason to assume the are right. Their arguements have more weight, but only to a piont.

The mods arbitrarily use their powers to attack those that they disagree with.

But i mean, whats pinned on him, the same IP address as someone else, is a shaky charge at best. It doesnt appear that he made any choice to sneakily use the IP address. It hardly gives him any advantage. I dont see any good reason for it myself. Was FWS truly such a menace to society that he must be hunted with such zeal?

Yes, he had up to 20-25 threads a day spamming up II, and he was a nasty bastard all round.
And people do lie y'know.

Am I the only one who thinks 'who cares?'
So what, a nation was deleted. Its no reason for people to come together to gloat or theorise about the how and why of it.
Life goes on.

I have to agree with this dude. I mean, life goes on, DA was DA, but now he isn't. The mods found out something, he got, kicked out, the earth didn't explode! Please just ruminate. Like this.

Hey, I know he was loved and loathed, admired and reviled; he will be remembered. If and when most of us leave, if we've made an impact we will be remembered.
All I'm saying is, we can't say 'thats not good enough'. In the end, the Mods are law; what they say goes and they must have had their reasons.

Thanks.

And don't say that I wouldn't know, 'cause I used to have a nation on here, but then it got deleted.

Precisely. It's all good and well that he was able to write in coherent sentences, but he got what he deserved, end of story. He broke his agreement - he got axed.


There is question as to whether he broke the agreement.

The mods arbitrarily use their powers to attack those that they disagree with.

Don't be stupid?
The mods make clear cut decisions, heck if half the mods did do just that, half of the people still playing Nationstates would not be allowed to.

The mods arbitrarily use their powers to attack those that they disagree with.


Hehe your hilarious you know that every one knows it could work now go flame bait some were else I’m not in the mood

The mods arbitrarily use their powers to attack those that they disagree with.

Of course. When somebody you like is kicked, its never for a good reason ^_^

Hey, I know he was loved and loathed, admired and reviled; he will be remembered. If and when most of us leave, if we've made an impact we will be remembered.
All I'm saying is, we can't say 'thats not good enough'. In the end, the Mods are law; what they say goes and they must have had their reasons.

Just like FWS. He lives on in our memories, some even wanted to let him back. Its best he left however.

FWS = he should have never been allowed in the first place
DA = I’m glad he’s gone

FWS = he should have never been allowed in the first place
DA = I’m glad he’s gone

FWS=you cant vet people from creation
DA= wasn't the same person or doing the same thing, you just happened to dislike him, no reason for personal feelings to cloud your judgement.

1: I know but hey he should have been deat after his first major flame fest
2 : no it dose not he hated me he flamed me because of my spelling and ignored me for no reason, then him and his lackeys flamed me on msn that’s why I dislike him

I tihnk alot of you are letting personal feeling get in the way of this.
Whether you loved him or hated him; what does it really matter now, till he returns in some other form

1: I know but hey he should have been deat after his first major flame fest
2 : no it dose not he hated me he flamed me because of my spelling and ignored me for no reason, then him and his lackeys flamed me on msn that’s why I dislike him

1. What flamefest are you talking about?
2. So, you let your OOC feelings get in the way of IC. Get on AIM, and we can discuss this more.

TheBrunnerG, you don't understand DA.
DA caused Hatred, and DA caused Love. The Extreme Right, Ala Fascist Confederacy (as seen in this thread) and some other far right wingers (can't remember names) Loved him. He was like a brother to them. However, we of the Extreme Left Wing Hated him. We made an Anti Nazi Pact to counter him and his racial alliances.

DA will go down in history, for being both an asshole (in our world) and being a great guy (in right wing world). He was not just some guy, he was a great asshole. (I mixed both words "great guy" and "asshole" ^^)

Good riddance. But he'll be back. You know it.

I always thought DA wasn't as much a right-winger as much as he was a stereotypical neo-Nazi. I consider myself a member of the Far Right, but that entails capitalism and liberty, not fascism. From what I read of his writing, DA wanted dictatorship, collectivism, and hating any/all non-white persons.

I always thought DA wasn't as much a right-winger as much as he was a stereotypical neo-Nazi. I consider myself a member of the Far Right, but that entails capitalism and liberty, not fascism. From what I read of his writing, DA wanted dictatorship, collectivism, and hating any/all non-white persons.

Which is a combination of right-wing from several points in the past.

I will try and talk my freind into coming back, he left because someone got all indignent over him using the word "mississippi" in his nation's name. I think I know who now.. sice he is gone, I will tell them.

Meh, ive been watching DA out of the corner of my eye and i have to say he wasnt doing anything that would warrant wholesale deletion. I'm not convinced of his innocence, but i feel a better reason must be brought against him. If it's not worthy of a public trial its not worthy.

As I can sue you for "breach of contract", it is worth a trial.

Read the thread - he had a contract with the mods, he broke it. Its that simple.

The mods arbitrarily use their powers to attack those that they disagree with.

If you don't like the moderators, and believe they are "out to get" anyone, might I suggest going elsewhere? No one is forcing you to play, and I doubt strongly any mod is "after" anyone.

Paranoid delusions aside, prove your statement or recant it and apologize to the moderators.

There is question as to whether he broke the agreement.

Nope. There's the log in - there is FWS' IP. Contract broken. NEXT!

Nope. There's the log in - there is FWS' IP. Contract broken. NEXT!

Ameritech is the ISP for DA and FWS. Ameritech rotates IP addresses.

Ok, yall - quit being idiots.

I believe that CM/DA is FWS. Pure and simple. It would not be hard for him to have two computers, or use two locations. Laptop and desktop anyone? Putting that aside, I've been on websites and networks and servers with an ip stating that I was from freakin Germany before. Woopdifuckindo? The wonderful world of proxies and such. Quit talking about it, mods should lock then delete this thread.

Ok, as people liked to state - Ameritech does have a large customer database. The chances that someone would have the same IP two times after it rotating is slim-to-none (or, 1 in all of their customers on that particular router which I'm sure is a LOT).

Ok, as people liked to state - Ameritech does have a large customer database. The chances that someone would have the same IP two times after it rotating is slim-to-none (or, 1 in all of their customers on that particular router which I'm sure is a LOT).



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Welcome back, DA. :)

did anyone read the lower posts on the LOEL forums?

he is very disturbing indeed

Just when it seemed safe to come out and play...