NationStates Jolt Archive


A Big Brother State?

Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 20:23
OOC: Alright, I've been reading "nineteen-eighty-four" by George Orwell and it inspired me to have a communistic-big-brother-esque state but I am on that thin line between staying as I am or changing to the big-brother state.

So, I'd like to ask the general public of nationstates their own opinion, should I stay as the oppressive monarchic-autocracy or should I enter of new age of even more oppressive communistic state.
Also, a bit of feedback with your answers would be nice but it's not nessecary, anyway, thanks for reading this post and cast your vote!
Parlim
31-12-2004, 20:34
I did the exact same thing with one of my puppets. 1984 is an insanely fun book to read (or at least it was for me).

So, sure go ahead and make the change.
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 20:35
OOC: Thanks Parlim, I'm only getting into it, it seems like a great book and I love how the people are almost willingly oppressed, a book of the highest calibre, in my opinion.
Parlim
31-12-2004, 20:35
OoC: And how children are recruited to spy on their parents? Classic. :)
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 20:38
OoC: And how children are recruited to spy on their parents? Classic. :)

OOC: Hehe, can't agree with you more!
New Exeter
31-12-2004, 20:43
OOC: You can do that in a monarchist dictatorship as well. All you need is secret police and boost nationalism.
The Merchant Guilds
31-12-2004, 20:43
Well if you go communist you'll probably get attacked by a load of us... :P
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 20:50
Well if you go communist you'll probably get attacked by a load of us... :P

OOC: Aww, can't we be friends!

And new Exeter, good idea but I prefer this way, I want to be a commie for a bit, see what its like on the other side.
PIcaRDMPCia
31-12-2004, 20:56
OOC: Go that far communist and I might attack you out of sheer spite, due to the recent occurrances with my country...but I doubt it, since you don't see me attacking facist nations left and right. ;) To be perfectly honest, you should go for democracy, I think.
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 21:14
OOC: Go that far communist and I might attack you out of sheer spite, due to the recent occurrances with my country...but I doubt it, since you don't see me attacking facist nations left and right. ;) To be perfectly honest, you should go for democracy, I think.

OOC: Thanks for the feedback but democracy isn't my style, I like to for one extreme at an end of the spectrum, the middle road isn't evil enough for me!
Camel Eaters
31-12-2004, 21:17
OOC: Random mass execution. It worked in Cambodia to turn it Communist and should work in Kriegograd.
PIcaRDMPCia
31-12-2004, 21:22
OOC: Thanks for the feedback but democracy isn't my style, I like to for one extreme at an end of the spectrum, the middle road isn't evil enough for me!
OOC: In that case, a communist state to the extreme is more evil than an autocracy.
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 21:26
OOC: Random mass execution. It worked in Cambodia to turn it Communist and should work in Kriegograd.

OOC: Thanks, your suggestion has been noted and PIcaRDMPCia, that is why I want to become a communistic big brother.
Parlim
31-12-2004, 21:30
This'd probably take a long time to RP. For instance, the populous rising up, taking power, the slow turn to corruption, the execution of the other party members, and the complete brain washing of the populous.

Fun, fun, fun.
Camel Eaters
31-12-2004, 21:30
OOC: I just think it would be funny to see and would work. You're welcome and may your switch to the most evil form of rulership available be a pleasant and death filled one.
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 21:56
This'd probably take a long time to RP. For instance, the populous rising up, taking power, the slow turn to corruption, the execution of the other party members, and the complete brain washing of the populous.

Fun, fun, fun.

OOC: That it will be, by the way, judging from your tone, I assume you have read "Animal Farm"? This is kind of how I intend to loosely base the story, so the end result will be Animal Farm/1984.

OOC: I just think it would be funny to see and would work. You're welcome and may your switch to the most evil form of rulership available be a pleasant and death filled one.

OOC: Hehe, thanks for caring, will do!
Doru Araeba
31-12-2004, 22:03
Heh, a mixuter of those two books should prove entertaining.

Animal Farm was good. I liked how the entire thing was the Russian Revolution, except with Animals. Was great.
PIcaRDMPCia
31-12-2004, 22:05
OOC: I might participate in this RP, as, say, a provider of weapons for the populace who fight against this change.
Godular
31-12-2004, 22:08
Y'know... you'd haveta dump the WACL if ya do it... unless you want to be the only communist member of the World Anti-Communist League, which might cause some awkward situations at the after-meeting tea-party/public execution.
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 22:24
Y'know... you'd haveta dump the WACL if ya do it... unless you want to be the only communist member of the World Anti-Communist League, which might cause some awkward situations at the after-meeting tea-party/public execution.

Good point!

And Doru Araeba, it should prove very interesting and feel free to come along and observe the RP.

PIcaRDMPCia, feel free, I'll reserve a spot for you in the RP, alright?
PIcaRDMPCia
31-12-2004, 22:30
Good point!

And Doru Araeba, it should prove very interesting and feel free to come along and observe the RP.

PIcaRDMPCia, feel free, I'll reserve a spot for you in the RP, alright?
Sounds good to me. ^_^
Kriegorgrad
31-12-2004, 22:36
Sounds good to me. ^_^

Good good! ^^
P3X1299
31-12-2004, 22:59
OOC: You'd better start installing those TV cameras. I don't really condone that though. :P
Godular
31-12-2004, 23:12
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Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 00:03
OOC: You'd better start installing those TV cameras. I don't really condone that though. :P

OOC: Will do! :D

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OOC: I'm actually very interested in this but could you make them look like those lil spy bots out of half life 2!?
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01-01-2005, 00:18
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Parlim
01-01-2005, 00:20
OoC: And don't forget the two-way TV sets! You also have to say "comrade" a lot. Comrade!
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 00:36
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OOC: Expect a reply in the future but I want my drones to look like this:

http://www.planethalflife.com/half-life2/enemies/scanners.jpg

And to comrade Parlim, long live the leader! Down with Goldstein! Onwards comrade! :)
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01-01-2005, 00:45
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Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 00:51
OOC: I'd like the sound amplifier, thanks! I can't wait to get the RPing done so I can have a grand-spanking new commie nation!

Or maybe I want the expanded sensors...gimme some time to think please.
MarxistStatesUnited
01-01-2005, 00:55
OOC: 1984 is a great book. The entire 3rd part is psychotic and pageturning.

IC: Ofcourse! The Proletariat of Kriegorland should most certainly rebel! All they have to lose is their chains! MarxistStatesUnited shall aid all those who wish to destroy the burgeoise's hold over Earth!
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 01:16
OOC: Thanks for the interest MarxistStatesUnited, 1984 is a great book but I haven't finished it yet.
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 02:01
OOC: And by the way, it's "Kriegorgrad", not "Kriegorland"! :P
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 03:41
OOC: New Years Bump!
Hogsweat
01-01-2005, 03:47
I'm already a Communist Big Brother State... but you have to remember that;

1.) It's unlikely for a nation pledging itself to;
The WACL
The RWC
To suddenly turn overnight Communist, although I couldn't give a damn about that.

2.) You better make sure that the inspiration for this is enough, because there's nothing worse than changing and then having to change back and explain things...

3.) Will you refit your army? If so, with Soviet equipment, as is standard for -most- communists ( I myself am turning to Israeli and some Soviet and British equipment)

I voted yes.
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 03:59
I'm already a Communist Big Brother State... but you have to remember that;

1.) It's unlikely for a nation pledging itself to;
The WACL
The RWC
To suddenly turn overnight Communist, although I couldn't give a damn about that.

2.) You better make sure that the inspiration for this is enough, because there's nothing worse than changing and then having to change back and explain things...

3.) Will you refit your army? If so, with Soviet equipment, as is standard for -most- communists ( I myself am turning to Israeli and some Soviet and British equipment)

I voted yes.

OOC: Thanks for the feedback Hog, pretty useful stuff in there, I'll address the issues momentarily.

1.) Yes, good point, I think that I'll resign after the revolt because that way because it'll be more realistic, a goverment wouldn't go "Hmm, revolt, better resign so the commies can take up the reins with greater ease" and remember, the goverment would use these alliances to inspire fear into the people. The alliances represented the will of the goverment, not the will of the people.

2.) Yes, I've thought about this extensively and I have decided I would really like a breath of fresh air, my lair in NS growing rather stagnant, the same old groups, the same old people (who I will stay in touch with) and the same alliances, it's all well and good but I've been a right wing evil bastard for two years, I wanna go left wing for a bit.

3.) With the communist equipment, I'm not too sure, I'll probably use your type of weapons (the bolt-actions ect. ect.) and some British and soviet but I don't know about Israeli, I might do simply because Sanctaphrax will knife me if I don't buy something from his store sooner or later! :p

Anyway, thanks for the info and I hope I've adressed your queries.
Godular
01-01-2005, 04:13
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Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 04:16
OOC: Yes I'd like both, sorry, this has been a bit of shameless bumpage and by the way, could we officially buy the stuff from you after the revolution? Thanks.

Also, incase you're wanting some contacting details, my hotmail is:

Caspianwally@hotmail.com
Godular
01-01-2005, 06:00
OOC: Consider the automated message getting out shortly after your revolution has taken over and news of the coup has gotten out.

Suppose I could TG you my MSN addy if you use it, but I'm FT (with MT connections still, this advert is actually coming out of our offices in ViZion) so it might not see much use.
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 14:26
OOC: Yea, godular, could you please T/G me your MSN or just MSN me via my little buttons over there.

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Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 16:53
OOC: New years BUMP!
Lagrange 4
01-01-2005, 16:56
OOC: monarchy doubleplusungood, go go bb!
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 17:39
OOC: monarchy doubleplusungood, go go bb!

OOC: Big Brother doubleplusgood. Hehe, nice to know alot of people will know the kind of feeling my country will have, thanks replying (and voting)!
Kanabia
01-01-2005, 17:49
Hey, why not become a commie democracy like me?

*sound of crickets*

I can see i'm not wanted here. *slinks into shadows* :p
Kriegorgrad
01-01-2005, 17:59
Hey, why not become a commie democracy like me?

*sound of crickets*

I can see i'm not wanted here. *slinks into shadows* :p

OOC: Hehe, funny but...whats a democracy? :confused: :p