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The Cottish Police Force are to be rearmed, totally decommisioning the old .38 police revolvers used today.
http://www.korteng.com/KWjpg/38revolv.jpg

For this to be achieved, the Cottish Ministry of Justice and Police will place the contract for 10 million (10,000,000) pistols with options for more to the company who gives the best product at the best price.

Requirements:

Must be semi-automatic

Must be easy to use

Must not be too heavy (1,5 kg max)

Must have good stopping power, but not to much since we don't wish to harm any civilian who might stand behind the perpetrators

Must not be over .45 caliber or 9mm

Must be able to be used in dark without any extra gadgets (flashlight, laser beam, etc.)

Must not be too expensive


Please place your offers here, preferably with a picture (or a link to a picture) and stats.
Any offers will be appreciated and seriously considered.

Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies has authorized the Colonial Arms Corporation, in conjunction with the SIG Arms Company of Switzerland, to export the SIG P221 Pistol. The standard sidearm of Colonial military personel, as well as federal law enforcement and security personel in the Democratic Colonies, the P221 is a 13 round 10mm semi-automatic pistol with an integrated laser sight. Considered to be highly accurate and reliable, the 10mm rounds the P221 is chambered for provide greater stopping power than the 40. S&W rounds while also resulting in less recoil than the 45. ACP rounds often used in similar pistols. Designed over a 3 year period by a joint Colonial Arms / SIG design team to combine the best features of today's modern sidearms, with a high one-shot-one-stop ratio without the excessive recoil of 45. caliber or above pistols, the 10mm P221 would serve any military, police, or security force well in today's modern field of operations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/6c5fc4b3.jpg

Standard Caliber: 10mm
Length, overall: 208mm
Barrel length: 135mm
Weight unloaded : 780g
Capacity: 13 Rounds (10mm Rounds)
Integrated Laser Sight

The Colonial Arms/SIG P221 is being offered at $720 per pistol. The P221 LE, a modified P221 with the integrated laser sight removed, is available for $670 per pistol. Production rights for both versions of the P221 are available for a sum of 1.5 billion dollars. The Colonial Government reserves the right to veto any sales as it deems fit.

At this time, Nutropinian Arms, operating out of The Sovereign Armed Dictatorship of Nutropinia, has available various extended magazines and a modification for the P221. The modification changes the firing mechanism to enable fire in both fully automatic and semi-auto modes. Nutropinian Arms should be contacted for further details. Nutropinian Arms is currently the only authorized multinational manufacturer of modifications and extended magazines for the SIG/Colonial Arms co-production P221 10mm Pistol.

We would be able to supply you this pistol in the modified Selectable-Fire mode. The Weapon will weigh slightly more unloaded at 900 grams because of the modification. However the pistol will fire in semi-auto and auto mode. Because of this we have provided both the normal size magazine and the larger 21 round magazine. The weapon can be sold either with or without laser sight on it. The 10mm is smaller than the .45 ACP but with greater stopping power and lighter weight. If you do not want the modified version and only the Semi-Auto Version we cannot sell this to you. You will have to contact Colonial Arms (Democratic Colonies) personally.

To: The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: SIG P221

Dear sir,
We have recieved your offer, and will consider it seriously. May we request that an example of the weapon be shipped to Cotland for testing? We will return it if not selected.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

standard handgun Yarygin PYa / MP-443 "Grach" pistol

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/pya-l.jpg

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x19 mm 7N21 (9mm Luger/Para)
Weight unloaded: 950 g (with empty magazine)
Length: 198 mm
Barrel length: 112 mm
Capacity: 17 rounds

The PYa (Pistolet Yarygina - Yarygin pistol) was developed for the Russian Army trials, codenamed "Grach" (rook). These trials were started by issuing initial requirements for a new military pistol in 1993. Than new pistol should had have a DA trigger, large capacity magazine, all steel construction and be able to be converted into 9x18 PM and PMM, 9x19mm Luger, and 7.62x25mm TT chamberings. Later on, the multicaliber option was dropped from military requirements, and in the late 1990s Russian army settled on the improved version of the worlds' most popular 9mm Luger/Parabellum round, very hot loaded (peak pressure generated by 7N21 is well beyond 9mm +P standards) and fitted with armour piercing bullet with hardened steel core. Several designs were submitted to the trials, but eventual winner was the pistol, designed at the state Izhevsk Mechanical Plant by the Vladimir Yarygin. This pistol, initially known as the 6P35 (military index during trials) or as MP-443 "Grach" (manufacturer's designation), now is officially adopted by the Russian Government for Military and Law Enforcement use under the PYa designation, and already issued to some Russian Army units, most probably located in Chechnya.

In those ages of lightweight alloys and plastics, and complicated trigger systems, the all steel DA pistol may look little outdated and conservative, but, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with the conservative approach, especially if it the result is well balanced and fits the intended niche well, which PYa does. I had the chance to examine the production pistol, as well as to see it in action (during Russian Law Enforcement IPSC competition, held in September, 2003, near the St.Petersburg). For me, PYa appeared as a well balanced, sturdy pistol with adequate accuracy and decent firepower. The only things that could be improved, in my opinion, are the fixed sights, and the shape of the polymer grip panels, that felt too angular in my palm.

The PYa is a short recoil operated, locked breech pistol. It uses a modified Browning "High Power"-style locking, with the cammed slot under the barrel, that is used to lock and unlock the single lug on the barrel with the ejection window in the slide. The slide and frame are made from carbon steel, the barrel is made from stainless steel. The conventional DA trigger features an ambidextrous manual safety on the frame, that could lock the hammer either in lowered or in cocked position, allowing for "cocked and locked" mode carry. There's no decocker, and additional automated safety is built into the system, that locks the firing pin when trigger is not pressed. The external hammer on production pistols is partially enclosed from the sides by the slide extensions, to facilitate snag-proof handling. Front sight is machined with the slide, rear sight is dovetailed into the same. Both sights featured white non-luminous inserts (tritium-filled "night" sights available as option). Wrap-around grip panels are made from polymer, and the grip is provided with the lanyard ring. Button-operated magazine release is located at the base of the triggerguard, and can be mounted on either side of the frame, depending on the user preferences (easily re-installed by the user itself in a minute). Dual stack magazines are made from steel and hold 17 rounds of 9x19mm ammunition, plus one in chamber. There's also some information that a 18-rounds magazine will be introduced for PYa in 2004.

Personal notes from Pushka's police department operatives: This thing is really easy to use, can deliver a good punch and is not at all heavy.

Pushkan Military Spendings Department: That pistol is very cheap, and never jams, we didn't have one pistol be replaced in 15 years of service.

IC: Yes a batch of ten is being sent over to Cotland for testing as we speak. Five have the integral laser sight, five have it removed. We are also sending a set of each magazine for each gun. One normal 13 round magazine, an extended 21 round magazine, a dual 13 round magazine which is two magazines contacted facing opposite ways facilitating quick changes, and 42 round curved magazine for extra ammo on full auto.

OOC: I will be back soon, dentists appointment.

I submit to you the 3 Phoenix Dynamix made pistols which meet your requirements:

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Mk 47 P&R Medusa 8 shot Multi-Caliber Revolver
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/Mk47MEDUSA.jpg
Name: Medusa mark 47
Designed by: PD rebuild of Phillips and Rogers (USA)
Caliber: .38, 9mm, .357 magnum (25 other rounds)
Action: Double action revolver.
Barrel 5.6 inches
Capacity 8 rounds
The P&R Mark 47 Medusa 8 shot Multi-Caliber Revolver fires 9mm, .38 special, or .357 Magnum ammo w/o modification perfect sidearm for your miltary(load it with .357 ammo and if you run out you can use 9mm "battlefield pickups" to reload or u can use cheap .38 rounds for target practice)
*works with 25 other simillar sized rounds from 9mm down to 5.7mm rounds
This is a perfect weapon for aircrews, spys or special forces because of its compact size since it can take many foreign pistol rounds.
Price
$650
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PHX Hi-Power 10mm Pistol
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/fvdbbbbbbcb.jpg
Name: Phoenix Hi-Power 10mm
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix (TPM)
Caliber: 10mm
Action: Semi-automatic
Capacity 14 rounds (21 with special clip shown in pic)
This is a PD remake of the classic Browning Hi-Power pistol. It features a built in, removable flash suppressor, tac light and laser aimpoint, and can accept a full size noise suppressor (scilencer) The standard clip holds 14 rounds and a 21 shot clip is availble. The powerful 10mm round offers more knock down and penetrating power than a 9mm or .40 pistol.
Price
$700

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Auto Mag Pistol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/automag.gif
Name: Auto Mag
Designed by: Phoenix Dynamix
Calibers: .44 Magnum or.454 Casul
Action: Double-Action\Burst
Capacity 28\22 rounds (.44\.454)
This is a an all new high capacity pistol built as a candiate for the offenive pistol system. With its burst fire mode and high capacity magazines, yes 2 mags feed the chamber at once, alternating per bullet. It can fire without the front clip or without the smaller handle magazine, it only needs one. It can also accept a knife\scilencer\TAC Light\LAM etc. Available in the powerful .454 Casul or the classic .44 magnum.
Price
$600

Note on the price, I can take 15% off the total for an order of 10 million :)

To: Pushka
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Grach

Dear sir,
While we are happy for your offer, may we also request that you provide us with a picture/link to picture and a price per weapon?

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

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To: Federated Union of Democratic Colonies
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Test-weapons shipment

Dear sir,
We thank you for being so cooperative, and we will post the results here as soon as the weapons have been tested by our best weapons experts from both the Police Force and the Military.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

I HIGHLY recommend the Heckler & Kock USP Compact, it is very compatible with lasers, flashlights, etc.. is rather inexpensive, and can be found in many various calibers.. 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP. Check out my storefront link in my signature below, and tell me what you think. I may give you special discounts considering you are shopping for your whole police force.

thats a link to pictures and info

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm

price: 150$ per pistol

To: The Pheonix Militia
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Weapons offer

Dear sir,
We thank you for your offer. May we request that one example of each be shipped to Cotland for testing? If the weapons are not selected, they will be returned to you.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

Of course, they will be sent to you at once, keep them as a gift :)

I HIGHLY recommend the Heckler & Kock USP Compact, it is very compatible with lasers, flashlights, etc.. is rather inexpensive, and can be found in many various calibers.. 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP. Check out my storefront link in my signature below, and tell me what you think. I may give you special discounts considering you are shopping for your whole police force.

To: The Cottonmouth
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Weapons offer

Dear sir,
I thank you for the willingness, and I will check your storefront if I get time. Can you, for simplicity sake, place the info and price in this thread? If so, I'd be very grateful.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

To: The Cottonmouth
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Weapons offer

Dear sir,
I thank you for the willingness, and I will check your storefront if I get time. Can you, for simplicity sake, place the info and price in this thread? If so, I'd be very grateful.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

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To: Pushka
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: Weapons offer

Dear sir,
We are interrested in this weapon. Can you please offer a price per weapon?

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police


we have, i edited my post, check it again.

we have, i edited my post, check it again.

OOC: me to. didn't see it... :S

HK USP Compact: Specifications

Cartridge: 9mm/.40 Smith & Wesson/.45 Automatic Colt Pistol

Dimensions:
Length: 7.64in
Weight: 1lb 11oz
Barrel: 4.25in
Rifling: polygonal rifling, rh
Magazine Capacity: 16 rounds

Price: 300


Now, the price is so low here because its meant to be bought in bulk orders for militaries and the such, or, in your case.. you police forces. I would still stick by this gun and possibly consider some Heckler & Koch MP-5 submachine guns for your police also. Thanks.

You can have my old law enforcement pistol.

LE-21 "Piece"

Caliber: 10mm
Capacity:15 rounds
Length:6 inches
Barrel Length:4.5 inches
Construction: High strength polymers for the handle, ultra strong tungsten alloys for the hard wearing parts and scandium/titanium for the light parts such as the slide.
The iron sights are lit by a LED/Tritum glow that won't disrupt night vision.
Also, the bottom can accept a bayonet or a flashlight.
Each gun comes with a free silencer.

Cost: $1,000

To: The Cottonmouth
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: H&K USP

Dear sir,
We have recieved your offer, and are interrested in knowing more. May you ship one example of the weapon to Cotland so that we can test it? If not selected, it will be returned to you. As for the MP-5s, we will consider them on a later date.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

To: MassPwnage
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE: LE-21 "Piece"

Dear sir,
We thank you for your offer. However, in order to seriously consider your offer, we would require at least a price per weapon, and preferably a picture.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

Pictures of the HK Compact:

HK USP Compact (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Rebel182/hkcompact.jpg)

HK USP Compact w/ Attachable Flashlight (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Rebel182/uspc40v7_lg.jpg)

Heckler & Koch Laser Attachment (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Rebel182/laser.jpg)


Honestly I dont see how this gun could really 'fail' any expectations, but as a sign of good faith I will also send along with the prototype of the HK Compact a FN Five-seveN, a 5.7mm military gun meant to pierce kelvar, the bullet-proof material (The specifications for this gun are also in my storefront). Let us know with your testing results. Thanks again.

Price per weapon: $1000
Picture (ooc: oh great): http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg57-e.htm (ooc: use your imagination)

Official United States Government Message

The United States of Allanea would wish to purchase your old .38's. As you don't need them anymore, the price would probably be cheap.

To: Allenea
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE sale of old weapons

Dear sir,
Yes, sale of the old .38 revolvers would be possible. Do you wish all 10 million? The price per each weapon will be $50, making the total sum (should you wish to buy all the revolvers) $500 million.
Please inform us of your decision.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

Sorry, before we didn't post the price for our weapons. Because of the modification enabling automatic fire the price for the P221A with laser sight and with a 13 and 21 round magazine is 900 dollars. Without the laser sight it is 800 dollars.

Crookfur Arms is proud to submit the P2C1 pistol for your consideration

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/usp40compa1.jpg

Round: .357SIG
Weight: 670g
Magazine capacity: 12 rounds
Length: 173mm (C1)
Rate of fire: Semi Automatic

Using the hi perfromance .357SIG roudn the P2C1 offers the optimum in small light weight and concealable semi automatic performance. Produced to an exceptionally high level of finish the P2C1 offers an extremely rohbust and reiable solution to your side arm requirements.
price:$600 (bulk buy discoutns available)


(ooc: yes this is a USP comapct in .357SIG, Hk now do actualy offer the UCP comapct in thsi round but they didn't when i designed this gun...)

on a slightly mroe hitech note would you be interested in caselss pistols? they should be just as reilable and i have a semi auto one in development, ie i have the gun drawn and the roudn designed just need stats on the pistol.

OOC: Well Crookfur I just offered the USP Compact... but not in that large a caliber.

To: Crookfur Arms
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE P2C1

Dear sir,
We have recieved your offer, and will consider it. May you please ship one example of the weapon to Cotland so that we can test it? If we do not choose your weapon, it will be returned to you.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

OOC: Well Crookfur I just offered the USP Compact... but not in that large a caliber.

.357SIG isn't that big it is infact a necked down .40S&W...

Cotland: a demostration package of 5 pistols shall be express delivered by a secure courier alogn with a sample pack of different compatable ammo types (FMJ, JHP, glazer, black talon and blended metal).

Again, sorry for not making this clear you may keep all ten guns and accessories as our gift to you even if you do not select the gun as your weapon. I suggest giving them out as gifts. We will even have them engraved for no charge after testing if you like.

The HOLY ARMS CO., based in Jesusvainia, has been authorized to offer the new prototype models of the militaries new side arms. Samples will be sent upon request.

P-1 Pistol
http://www.zoominternet.net/users/~helwildcat/MT/P-1.jpg
Caliber: 9mm
Clip: 9
Weight: 1kg
Muzzle: 320 Meters per second
Operating principle: Internal blowback
Notes: There is no external slide action on this weapon, the entire chambering process is internal. This weapon is very easy to use and is low maintainence. The only issue has been jaming due dirt being lodged in the bolt, however proper care will cure that issue
Cost: $350 (bulk only) $427 single

P-1g Pistol
http://www.zoominternet.net/users/~helwildcat/MT/P-1g.jpg
Caliber: .40
Clip: 12
Weigt: 1.3 kg
Muzzle: 330 meters per second
Operating principle: Gas
Notes: This weapon is destined to become Jesusvainia's standard service side-arm. It is the perfection of our previous PG2 pistol which had several problems with the gas chamber. The P-1g has been proven to be easier to keep level while firing than its slide-action based competors. It has been fitted with a floresent strip on the front sight to make it easier to use in the dark.
Cost: $500 (bulk only) $690 single

P-2 pistol
http://www.zoominternet.net/users/~helwildcat/MT/P-2.jpg
Caliber: .40
Clip: 10
Weigt: 1.2 kg
Muzzle: 310 meters per second
Operating pricniple: Slide
Notes: A more conventional design was established after the P-1g which lead to the creation of the P-2. This weapon will accept most standard attachments.
Cost: $400 (bulk only) $540 single

Thank you for your time.

Holy Arms Co.

To: Jaffe Joffer, Minister of Justice and Police
From: George Rivsky, Attorney-General
Subject: RE sale of old weapons

Dear sir,
We would like to pay you 50 milliion dollars a year for next ten years, buying a million revolvers annually. The revolvers would be handed out to immigrants who receive an Allanean citizenship, and highschool graduates in certain areas of Allanea.

George Rivsky,
Attorney-General of Allanea

.357SIG isn't that big it is infact a necked down .40S&W...

Its got as much kick as a 10mm, which is extremely powerful, really too powerful. Nice bullet though, just dont know for police...

Thats a point i suppose btu then it was the only sensible option from my rnage of pistols the other options would be hi power mkIII or a caseless pistol...

In my opinion at this point caseless ammo is too big of a hassle to use, with the danger of cookoff and the relative scarcity of the ammo.

Cotland, are you still interested in my guns? They're cheap, they may not be as advanced as some of the others, but they are reliable, can carry a good punch, are light. Plus they cheap!!!!!! Only 150$ per gun. What else do you want?

In my opinion at this point caseless ammo is too big of a hassle to use, with the danger of cookoff and the relative scarcity of the ammo.

Well if you take steps and design the ammo and gun properly it is actually perfectly feasible and ammo scarity is a bit of redudant point on NS seeing as msot nations have the capacity to produce thier own ammo...

Cotland: my appologies for clogging up your thread.

Well if you take steps and design the ammo and gun properly it is actually perfectly feasible and ammo scarity is a bit of redudant point on NS seeing as msot nations have the capacity to produce thier own ammo...

Cotland: my appologies for clogging up your thread.

Oh I know it is perfectly feasible, H&K did it on the G11. And I know each nation can produce it but it is expensive to produce with the design work needed to go into it, plus for the military, at least at this point, it destroys any opportunity for battle field pick ups.

Cotland: my appologies for clogging up your thread.

OOC: It's ok.

IC:
To: Jesusvania
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE P-1, P-1g, P-2 pistol

Dear sir,
We have received your offer. May we request that one example of each weapon be sent to Cotland for testing? If the weapon is not accepted, it will be returned to you.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

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To: Allanea, Attorney-General George Rivsky
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE RE sale of old weapons

Dear sir,
We have recieved your order and the first shipment of revolvers are being sent by ship as we speak. The sale will be completed in 10 years. We thank you for assisting us in the removal of the old weapons, and hope that they will not be used in the purpose of evil after having been used for 40 years in the service of good.
We once again thank you for helping us getting rid of the old weapons.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

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To: Pushka
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: Final verdict

Dear sir,
The decition has not yet been reached, but I can tell you that your firearm is still in game. The decition will arrive within 24 (RL) hours.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

I won't be here starting from tomorrow and until sunday or monday. But okay.

To: Jaffe Joffer
From: Holy Arms Co. (jesusvainia)
Subject: Shipment

You can expect shipment very shortly.

Thankyou.

RE-1

Cartridge: Any of 104 cartridges ranging from 5.5mm to 0.38-caliber, including 9mm Parabellum, .357 Magnum, and .380 ACP. Only higher-powered options will allow revolver to function semi-automatically; less powerful cartridges may require the revolver to be manually cocked before each shot (see below).
Capacity: 9 cartridges
Overall Length: 9.5"
Barrel Length: 5"
Weight: 40 ounces
Safeties: Hammer/firing pin separator, firing pin safety bar, ambidextrous manual safety catch
Loading: Insert cartridges into cylinder. Pull upper section of frame all the way to the rear and release to cock.
Miscellaneous Information: Polymer frame and grip, ejector on/off switch for stealthy missions, accepts silencer (Unlike almost every other revolver, its cylinder moves ahead slightly when the hammer is cocked for gas sealing.), concealed hammer for better grip, break-open design for shorter reload times than side-loaders, tritium sights for night use, bottom accessory rail (for flashlight, laser, et cetera)
Price: $550

If you wish, we will send you one free sample.

OOC: I don't have an image, but it's sort of like this (http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors/firearms/1997/11/Revolving_Bores/images/tb_9811STLEA.jpg) scaled up some for a 9-round cylinder (http://www.lors.cz/web/lors/obrazky/1070g.jpg) with some design changes to allow it to function semi-automatically (http://www.thegunzone.com/images/webley-fosbery1.jpg), a polymer frame, etc. Sorry!

The Medusa isn't semi-automatic, BTW.

ooc: GAH! So my weapon is too expensive? (i put a picture link in)

To: Nianacia
From: Jaffe Joffer
Subject: RE RE-1 revolver

Dear sir,
We thank you for your offer, but I'm afraid that you are a little late. We have already reached a conclusion, which will be posted here in a few moments. We do however thank you for your interrest.

Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

Oh, well. You may still have the free sample as a gift, if you want.
OOC: I knew I shouldn't have taken that break. <_<

New police standard issue weapon selected

After many shows of interest, and long and careful testing by both police officers, military personnel and weapons experts, the Cottish Ministry of Justice and Police has chosen the new weapon to be issued to all police officers in Cotland, effectively phasing out the old .38 revolvers used today. The new weapon is the Pushkan MP-443 “Grach”. It was a very close call, the other weapons that made it to the final selection was the USP Compact from the Cottonmouth and the Mk 47 Medusa from the Phoenix Militia.

The “Grach” was selected for several different reasons. One important issue was the price, which was the cheapest in the competition. It was also surprisingly accurate, easy to use and easy to maintain. It also preformed extremely well in the winter cold in Cotland, as well as the scorching desert in Egypt (a Cottish colony). It also utilizes the 9x19mm round, which can be easily produced by Cotland Arms Inc.

We will therefore place an order of 10 000 000 weapons to Cotland. The total price of 1,5 billion dollars will be paid 50% now and 50% on final delivery.

For our SWAT teams, we wish to utilize another weapon, and therefore, we wish to place an order of 50 000 USP Compacts from the Cottonmouth. The total price tag of 15 million will be wired 66% now and the remaining 34% on final delivery. Regarding the MP-5s you talked about. If you could please send me a telegram regarding the weapons, I’ll get back to you.

As for the rest of you who participated, we thank you for your participation, and your weapons (not the ones that told me to keep them) will be returned to you via airmail. They should be arriving within a few days. Thank you for the use.

Once again, thank you for your participation.


Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

Your police carry guns? How uncivilised.

Your police carry guns? How uncivilised.

Yep.

Your police carry guns? How uncivilised.Your police don't? Wannabe criminals around the world are probably happy to hear that.

BUMP for all of you who participated

Your police don't? Wannabe criminals around the world are probably happy to hear that.
Only SWAT style teams.

ooc: so basically my gun was too expensive, but it's a good gun!

ooc: so basically my gun was too expensive, but it's a good gun!

Yep.

Only SWAT style teams.A SWAT team will take longer than regular police to arrive. A criminal would be long gone before one arrives. (Unless they're very common in your nation...)

All I have to say is Bah...oh...and Why not me?

bump for Pushka

A SWAT team will take longer than regular police to arrive. A criminal would be long gone before one arrives. (Unless they're very common in your nation...)
We dont need policemen to have guns to ensure order. If someone holds up a bank with a gun it does one of two things:

1) It turns into a seige. There is time for SWAT teams to move in.

2) They escape. This then turns into a man-hunt which can be conducted with the aid of SWAT teams.

The UK does not harm her policemen, and the UK has a MUCH lower proportional incidence of gun crime than the US, which does arm her policemen.

"Pushkan Ministry of Military Commerce"

We thank you for selecting our pistol as a standard issue weapon for your law enforcment agencies. We are prepared to start up the production in your nation and sell you the rights to the production facilities. We only wait for your aproval.

"Pushkan Ministry of Military Commerce"

We thank you for selecting our pistol as a standard issue weapon for your law enforcment agencies. We are prepared to start up the production in your nation and sell you the rights to the production facilities. We only wait for your aproval.


Approval given. We await the first shipment.

Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

total cost will be 1500000000 $ for 10 million guns.

First shipment: a million guns

"Shipped by air"

total cost will be 1500000000 $ for 10 million guns.

First shipment: a million guns

"Shipped by air"

Money for 1 million guns wired.

New police standard issue weapon selected

For our SWAT teams, we wish to utilize another weapon, and therefore, we wish to place an order of 50 000 USP Compacts from the Cottonmouth. The total price tag of 15 million will be wired 66% now and the remaining 34% on final delivery. Regarding the MP-5s you talked about. If you could please send me a telegram regarding the weapons, I’ll get back to you.


Sincerely,
Jaffe Joffer
Minister of Justice and Police

IC: We thank you for your consideration of our firearms, we guarantee you will not be dissappointed with them. You will be wired a telegram shortly concerning the sub-guns you ask of.

Thanks again,
Ray Lively
Official Cottonmouth
Arms Exporter


OOC: Sorry for the late post, I just now realized you had already picked a firearm for your police.