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All arms manufacturers, I have a challenge for you.

The special forces group "55" is the supreme black operations group in our nation, and they ge the best equipment. But we have been lacking in an effective plane to transport an operative, allow him to make a HALO jump, and stay aloft for the entire mission length. Oh, and support a mission command of:
1 operations comander
up to 5 operations support memebers
And the lastest in radar and communication technologies.

It'd be nice if it could defend it's self. Specifications aren't avalible, since this is a challenge for you to make the best you can. Spare no expense, there is only a need for 5 of these planes.

*Bump*
Could you at least recomend a model for us?

The C-14 Buro, made by Phoniex Industries is an excellent transport aricraft, capable of performing the most demanding of missions.

Many of my allies and myself use the aircraft, and it performs phenomially under most conditions.

All arms manufacturers, I have a challenge for you.

The special forces group "55" is the supreme black operations group in our nation, and they ge the best equipment. But we have been lacking in an effective plane to transport an operative, allow him to make a HALO jump, and stay aloft for the entire mission length. Oh, and support a mission command of:
1 operations comander
up to 5 operations support memebers
And the lastest in radar and communication technologies.

It'd be nice if it could defend it's self. Specifications aren't avalible, since this is a challenge for you to make the best you can. Spare no expense, there is only a need for 5 of these planes.

exactly what sort endurance/mission length are you looking for?

Currently we woudl be looking at offering A version of our CFU-11 series (basically the Falcon -7X).

basic stats on the series:
Max speed: mach 0.9
Range: 10,600km (at mach 0.8)
mission endurance: upto 11hrs (longer with air to air refueling)
Basically a converted business jet the small CFU-11 fastwing has perfromance and handling very similar to that of a fighter with a comparable radar and IR signature.

the generous internal space allows the aircraft to be equipped with just about any range of mission equipment you coudl desire. for your specified role a load out of a top of the line fighter radar and IRST system, and looking SAR/IR sensors and a full EW package would be recomended. Upto 4 wing mounts can be prodived for most light air to air missiles upto the size of MICA IR (we recomend ASRAM or IRIS-T).

The final unit rpice would of coruse depnd on the exact laod out required but an early estiamte would be in the $150million rnage

Well, it sounds sutible, but how would an operative make his jump from it? And also, we hvae been training on converted C-130 gun ships. So something similur to that would save us the trouble of retraining the operatives.

As for endurance, how long to fly to a different continent then hang around while the operative makes his way 20 kilometers through the jungle to shoot some villige elder leading an up riseing?

...ok, unrealalistic. But maybe if you could give us some more air time and a radar srambler, we could talk.

Secret IC:

Alright, we can loan you 5 G80 Scramjet VTOL Gunships.
Avg. Crusing speed: Mach 2
Max Speed: Mach 4
Range:25,000 miles
Fuel: Use heavy water. Engine classified.
Can slow down and run on regular jet power as well.
Armed with armor piercing 227 mm rockets, GAU/20 30mm Miniguns, and A17 "Piledriver" Railguns.
They also have a smaller than normal radar profile, due to radar absorbing materials in its consctruction, some radar deflecting surfaces and also, they have fiber optics built into the chassis to minimize visual signature.

Radar deflection would make it more detectable, wouldn't it? And why the secrecy?

ooc; it only deflects/absorbs some radar, making it seem like a fighter jet or something.

Sounds stutible, but we are looking to buy. And please tell me, where are it's engines mounted? Does it have a rear cargo hatch?

Jumps can be made out of the side door or a specially prepared belly hatch (the old Falcon 20 used by the french navy and US coast gaurd uses that method).

(OOC? why converted AC130s, why not just go with basic C130s and avoid the trouble of converting them to gunships and back? or do you eman AC130s with jump capability?)

As for your specified mission, the actual ground mission coudl take anything upto 10hrs or longer, although the aircraft be able to do much more than provide over watch and sensor info once the operative is inserted, pickup would have to be via other means intercontinetal flight can be anything from 2hrs each way to over 7hrs each way meaning air to air refuling woudl be a must (by taking on fuel during the ingress transit phase and then again during egress you coudl be looking at a good possibility of 8hrs on station)

By stripping out the side looking sensors and then adding conformal fuel tanks for another 2hrs of fuel and a dedicated Electonic warfare suite (about on par with the EA-18G) we could proabably meet your requirements

Hm...this is good. The purpose of the air craft is just sensory support for the operative. If you could provide a price for 5 planes w/ recommened equipment you would be our nu,ber one consideration. But we are talking with the Roman Rebuplic about a custom order. We'll get back to you.

Price: About $120 million each plane. (note: I have 3 big railguns on each plane instead of all those small weapons, but one of the big railguns takes up all the space in the front cargo area.)

Jumps: Rear, front, or side doors.

Mass pwnge, you'll on our consideration list.

*bump*

The Holy Arms Co. of jesusvainia may have an aircraft to fit your needs. We will request the sale of such and aircraft with our government and if aproved will be sending along the specs.

thankyou

We have recieved permission to release to you the specs on our new aircraft.

HAA1
Max Speed: 674 MPH
Max Altitude: 54,000 ft
Compliment:
2 Pilots
2 Electronics Techs
1 HALO Commander
5 HALO paratroops
Electronics:
TriRADAR (radar rednering system)
Electrostatic Masking (stealth technology)
Satilite Uplink (data and position)
RADAR configuration matching library (helps ID targets)
Special Equitpment/Weapons:
1 rear jump hatch
6 sidewinder missles
Chaff
Canard wing configuration

http://www.zoominternet.net/user/~helwildcat/HAAA1.jpg

Cost: $119,999,999.99 for two

Thankyou

Jesusvania: 6 sidewinders can't decently clear a landing zone
Your airplane doesn't hover like mine does.
Nor does it fly as fast.

However mine is cheap and simple. He also said to make it DEFEND ITSELF, not annhilliate the LZ

A-17 railguns can easily destroy most air threats.

And you could also out fit a battleship with containers with atomic nucei surounded by spinning seleniod magnets, powered driectly form the main reactors, causing it levate and fly it over the enemy territory and REALLY blow the crap out of them, but as i said before, we were trying to be cost effective.

*levetate, not levate*

MassPwnage: your design is also a future tech border line godmod that seems to be nothign more than a vague collection of radom techy catchphrases...

Wait, you want subtlety?

Hm... how about?

5 C50 light cargoplanes, with plasma afterburners disabled and a few 30mm miniguns for defense.

$11 million a piece.

too bad i can't make cheap crap like that yet. I only have 67 million ppl to make products.

I REALLY suggest my retrofitted G80s, they might send fighters after you if you're staying aloft.

Also, i can equip my cargoplanes with a few rocket pack turrets if planes were to bother you.

To bad those planes are HUGE targets. You would have to really squeeze to get 5 HALO men and their gear in to the plane if you plan to have miniguns. Those take up a lot more room than you think. If you want to have these big belly dorrs there's gonna be even less room. Besides, do you know why they dont use machine guns on fighters much anymore? they don't do crap against fighters at supersonic velocities. Your best bet is gonna be to sit high and not be seen electronically or visually.

Yea, oh well then. Use G80s with 50 Air-to-Air Missiles per wing. (G80s are large, large airplanes).

ok, explain to me two things, out of curiosity...

1. Why miniguns? They are not effective in air to air situations, which are the situations facing HALO aircraft.

2. Explain your mounting methods, i'm curious...

Damn, i thought a HALO landing was just like a regular landing.
And the guns are to clear the landing zone. (nose mounted)

Oh well, then, my gunships are used only for clearing large areas of stuff, whether they're fleets, air squadrons, cities or ground unit columns. I can mount a C50 with 12 Air-To-Air.

The mini guns are for when they make the ballon recovery of the operative so as to deal with persueing ground targets.

Our mounting is simple, one HALO man jumps at 30,000 feet. Deploys his parachute as low as he can with it still opening. We use a ballon recovery method.

OOC: I can't remeber the name of the recovery method, it's mentioned in MGS3 however.

then C50 with 12 air to air and 2 30mm miniguns.

Why would we need all of that? We're not hoping our operative is being tailed by an armoured division! A C-130 gunship has been working for us. Think along those lines.

*bump*

Because i'm offering each plane, rigged like that for the low price of $10 million a piece. And yes 5 each will fit, they are designed to hold 12 infantry with parachutes.

Well personally even though my nation hasn't developed any new weaponry in over 2 years I think you will like this...

A-96 Heavy Load Dropship

Load Capabilities:

-Up to 20 soldiers
-40 Tons of material
-Up to 2 light vehicles
-Capable of supporting 1 medium tank inside its hull

Max Speed: Mach 1.5
Weapons: 1 heavy machine turret
Wingspan: 42 ft.
Weight: 16 tons
Armor: Heavy composite armor with titanium panels and bulletproof kevlar in between armor layers

Systems:
-Advanced RADAR
-Expenable parts ejection system (i.e. hull when not loaded)
-VTOL take-off and landing
-Fuel port safety system (i.e. fuel leakage, a port automatically closes the compartment where the fuel is leaving)
-Experimental Pilot A.I.
-Stealth Capabilities
-Heat Seaking Missile Avoidance system
-Capability to "cloak" itself at night just like the Vuhifellian Elite Black Guard
-Experimental Armor regeneration system just like Vuhifellian EBG

Price Tag: $20 million USD

OOC: I'm not looking for future tech, just so you know.

I'm still offering my vehicle, see page 2...

ooc: just buy my plane, i'm offering a mint condition product to you, dirt cheap.

C-13 JackRabbit Supersonic Cargo Aircraft
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/C-13.jpg
What started as a project to create an aircraft that could keep up with our ConTrans supersonic troop transports and carry a few LAVs has ended with an aircraft slightly smaller than the C-17 and yet can fly 3 times as fast and has a radar cross section less then a modern fighter.Stealth features include a butterfly tail, stealth coatings and a specialy shaped wing and angled fuselage. We have attained Mach 3 with the C-13 when empty, mach 2.88 can be sustained when loaded to full capacity.The range is unlimited with in flight refueling. There is a full size rear-loading ramp which is handy for loading and unloading vehicles and also allows paratroppers easy exit.(manufacturers suggestion *drop to below mach 1 before deploying paratroopers) Also should you need them there are 4 missle ports (2 foward facing 2 rear facing), you can mount AIM-9X or AIM-132 missles or any simmilar size weapon or counter measure in them for defense.
Specifications
Crew: 3 (pilot, co-pilot, loadmaster)
Length: 179 feet
Wing Span: 146 feet.
Power Plant: (4) PhoenixDynamix 71001- Afterburning TurboRamJet Engines (SR-71 derived)
Service Celing: 46,000+ feet
Maximum Speed: Mach 3 (empty) Mach 2.88 (loaded)
Cargo Capacity:
100 troops/paratroops -or-
48 litters + 54 patients and attendants -or-
170,000 pounds (85 tons) (76,644 kg) of cargo or vehicles
thats means it can hold 1 M1A2 Main Battle Tank!!!(and if u are brave u can try and paradrop it)
Weapons
(4) AIM-9X Sidewinder or (4)AIM-132 ASRAAM in fuselage ports
Counter Measures
32 RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
20 MJU-53/B Infrared Decoy Flare
16 MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pod
AN/ALQ-178 ECM pod
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Price
$150 million
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Introducing the C-14 Burro, desigend to replace our aging fleet of C-130s, it shares almost all the features of the verable hercules, but is improved in several areas. latest Counter-Measures have been installed.
There is a tanker variant available for the same price.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/kc-14.gif
Length: 98 feet
Height: 38 feet
Wingspan: 127 feet
Speed: 520 mph
Ceiling: 33,000 feet (10,000 meters) with 60,000 pounds cargo
Engines: 2 PX-401-334 Turbofan jet engines
Range:2,800 miles with maximum payload;
5,900 miles with no cargo.
Cargo: up to 100 troops or 75 litter patients or 6 standard freight pallets.
Minimum Crew: 3
(crews will normally carry 2 extra pilots and loadmastersin addition to the minimum crew complement; three pilots, and two loadmasters)
Allows for a 18 hour work days)
Counter Measures
42 RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
20 MJU-53/B Infrared Decoy Flare
22 MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pod
AN/ALQ-178 ECM pod
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Price
$19 million
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AC-14 Mule
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/ac-14.gif
Length: 100 feet
Height: 38 feet
Wingspan: 127 feet
Speed: 520 mph
Ceiling: 33,000 feet (10,000 meters) with 100,000 pounds (45,000 kilograms) payload.
Engines: 2 PX-401-334 Turbofan jet engines
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 169,000 pounds
Range:3,200 miles (combat load)
Cargo: 40 paratroops or 3 standard freight pallets.
Minimum Crew: 8
Weapons:
(2) Dual 40mm cannons
(1) 105mm Cannon
(1) 11mm Mingun
(1) 30mm Avenger in nose turret
(1) Dual 20mm Cannon in rear turret
(30) Chaff
(40) Advanced IR flare
(6-12) 500-2000 lb cluster/regular/JDAM bomb or 1-2 MOAB
Counter Measures
33 RR-129A/AL Chaff Countermeasures
33 MJU-51/B Advanced Infrared Flare
AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM pod
AN/ALQ-178 ECM pod
ALR-56C Radar Warning Receiver
Price
$21 million

Wouldn't jumping from a SCRAMjet plane liquify the jumper?

you obvioulsly missed the warning: (manufacturers suggestion *drop to below mach 1 before deploying paratroopers)
its not a scramjet, its a turbo ram jet -- a turbo jet that becomes a ram jet at high speed, this is the same type of engine on the SR-71.

Ooops. Should've said that I was referring to MassPwnage's plane, not yours. My bad.

to late guys. Made a deal with The Roman Republic. We will be sure, however, to talk to a few of you again.

ooc: it's called slowing down, oh well.