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Always looking to provide a good bang for the buyer's buck, Anarchy Areospace of Anarcanis has, after some wrangling with Piper aircraft, procured the rights and blueprints for a new aircraft ideally suited for the low-intensity fighting that constantly occurs within the Empire.

After tested and proven service to Imperial Service, AA is proud to provide this aircraft for international export as the A-48 Enforcer II

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an2.htm

With advances in engine technology the turboprop driving this lithe aircraft has been increased to an estimated 3500 hp, driving the Enforcer to speeds of 460 mph in an unloaded configuration.

Along with an increase in performance comes improvements in avionics. The Enforcer II is night-capable and fitted with countermeasure launch tubes in it's wingtip pods for scrambling opposing radars as well as a terrain-avoidance radar for low-level flight conditions. These can be flicked off, leaving very little electronic noise that can be detected from the little aircraft. The original enforcer was already nearly invisible to infrared due to it's turboprop configuration, the new Allison-Lycoming GH-1 Turboprop makes the aircraft's heat signature able to defeat even some of the most advanced infrared devices. The rest of the aircraft itself is coated in radar-absorbant paint configuration.

Flying at very low level, at daytime or at night, a skilled pilot can stealthily bring the Enforcer II to it's target and pound it with weapons from it's ten wing hardpoint stations.

These hardpoints are universal, able to accept most munitions, designation pods, and ECM pods that are common throughout the world, from snakeeyes to Hellfire, the Enforcer II can carry it all. Anarcanian munitions such as the 'Swarm' anti-personnel flechette bombs and 'Inferno' FAE rockets are also available.

Base unit price is $ 1,250,000 per aircraft.

You do realize that even Mig-21 (very, very bad Jet fighter) will destroy that thing because it is simply inferior in speed and construction? Propeler planes are obsolete, i respect you for trying to bring them back. But common........

It's all in how you use it my russian friend. The Enforcer II, like it's predecessor, is designed for COIN operations, not dogfighting.

You do realize that even Mig-21 (very, very bad Jet fighter) will destroy that thing because it is simply inferior in speed and construction? Propeler planes are obsolete, i respect you for trying to bring them back. But common........

You do realise that prop planes generally out maneouver jet aircrafts. . .

And that the MIG 21 is a great aircraft for it's cost. . . Right?

ooc:Its a ground attack aircraft, not an air to air fighter.
Prop powered combat aircraft can be very useful on the battlefield, this aircraft is as fast as an A-10 and is most likely more maneverable.

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ic:
If possible TPM would like to purchase 2 of these for comparasion to our A-36B Mustangs....

Thats why its a stealthy aircraft. So people dont find it and shoot it down. But turboprops are very effecient compared to jets. And if you have to keep bombing things, a jet will cost alot more to operate. So you keep it cheap and effcient. :D

ooc: the pilots who tested the PA-48 loved it as i recall, it cant take the damage of the warthog, but it is very quiet, very maneuverable at low level, and could carry a lot of varied ordnance for it's mission.

ic: Phoenix Militia: Your request has been sent to AA order processing, we at Anarcanis would be interested in your findings for further refinements.


OOC Edit Note: Should be A-48, that'll teach me not to look when I type, adjusting designation

You do realise that prop planes generally out maneouver jet aircrafts. . .

And that the MIG 21 is a great aircraft for it's cost. . . Right?

You do know that after the invention of the vertical thrust engine (by the Russians) Jet fighters became just as maneuvarable as propeler airplanes? Actually even more maneuvarable. SU-37 can spin its nose 180 degrees in less then a second.

No Mig-21 isn't a great aircraft in any perspective but its cost. It is a failure and the people who make Migs admitted that it was a failure. US aircraft at the time was much better, good thing we inveted Mig-29 to match your aircrafts.

How is it sealth? What about the radars? Does it have a radar?

Anyways, for ground attacks i'd much rather use YAK-141 or my some multi-role fighter like SU-47 or SU-37, or my own design PJF-01 Yastreb, basically a modified SU-47, plus Plasma stealth generator added (thats a real thing people, Russian Federation was offering such a device for export in 1999, only weighs a hundred kg and reduces the radar signature by a factor of a hundred. Its a lot of energy to use and it emits a lot of light. But its how you use it that matters. Plus once i get money i'll try to upgrade it.)

You do know that after the invention of the vertical thrust engine (by the Russians) Jet fighters became just as maneuvarable as propeler airplanes?

No Mig-21 isn't a great aircraft in any perspective but its cost. It is a failure and the people who make Migs admitted that it was a failure. US aircraft at the time was much better, good thing we inveted Mig-29 to match your aircrafts.

How is it sealth? What about the radars? Does it have a radar?


OOC: They did become as manueverable but at what cost. The Russians can't afford to modernize there air force because of the cost of such engines. A turboprop achieves manueverability at very low price.

OOC: They did become as manueverable but at what cost. The Russians can't afford to modernize there air force because of the cost of such engines. A turboprop achieves manueverability at very low price.

True, but we are not talking about the Russians or the real world for that matter. We talking about technology. But yes thats true this is cheap. Exept how long can it fly? I mean how big are its fuel tanks? Does it have a locking system of some sort for its missiles?

This might actually work, but it doesn't look like it can fly really far out from its base.

The Yak-38 series and others used vertical thrust engines, yes, but it was an inefficient design since it used at least three seperate engines using the same fuel supply, and drinks fuel fast in VTOL mode.

Stealth isnt about just advanced tech, it's about reducing the aircraft's ability to be detected or at least the range in which it is detected at, thats a combination of mechanics and tactics.

Now take an aircraft coming in at low level, subsonic speeds, it's turboprop exhaust is released and broken up by the prop wash, giving very very little for a heat seeker detector to find. It doesnt make nearly as much noise as an jet aircraft either, so thats negated.

As for radar detection, it can fly very very low with high agility, the terrain itself masks you from most radar signals, and a look-down radar has to sort through the echoes from the ground clutter to get a lock. The only active radar is a small TFR unit for night flying, and that can be shut down with the pilot going on pure night-vision goggles, and the aircraft is painted to absorb some of the radar radiation that hits it with some of the same technology used today.

Otherwise it emits almost ZERO electronic noise, no radars unless the TFR is on, no radio noise if the pilot is careful with his chatter.

In this case the Enforcer II's purpose is ground attack and COIN operations, it can loiter on battlefield for a long time, and can take off and land in areas smaller than those needed for a jet, or on country roads, open fields, etc..

will respond to the rest in a minute. this be an interesting discussion.

Okay, fuel range basic is 925 miles for the basic PA-48. That's a pretty good little range for an aircraft, it's role doesnt require it normally to cross halfway around the globe.

Range is normally figured at it's cruise speed, in ground attack operations and at loiter speeds this can be much lower. Given that the aircraft can just park it on a road somewhere off the area of battle and wait for a call the time it can expend in a battle area increases dramatically.

Missiles: depends on guidance, the aircraft could be carrying passive laser guided, relying on ground troops to designate, it could carry a laser designator on one of it's stations to target for itself. or just do the job with aircraft rockets or gun pods (The Pa-48 version can carry the GPU 30mm cannon pod)

The Yak-38 series and others used vertical thrust engines, yes, but it was an inefficient design since it used at least three seperate engines using the same fuel supply, and drinks fuel fast in VTOL mode.

Stealth isnt about just advanced tech, it's about reducing the aircraft's ability to be detected or at least the range in which it is detected at, thats a combination of mechanics and tactics.

Now take an aircraft coming in at low level, subsonic speeds, it's turboprop exhaust is released and broken up by the prop wash, giving very very little for a heat seeker detector to find. It doesnt make nearly as much noise as an jet aircraft either, so thats negated.

As for radar detection, it can fly very very low with high agility, the terrain itself masks you from most radar signals, and a look-down radar has to sort through the echoes from the ground clutter to get a lock. The only active radar is a small TFR unit for night flying, and that can be shut down with the pilot going on pure night-vision goggles, and the aircraft is painted to absorb some of the radar radiation that hits it with some of the same technology used today.

Otherwise it emits almost ZERO electronic noise, no radars unless the TFR is on, no radio noise if the pilot is careful with his chatter.

In this case the Enforcer II's purpose is ground attack and COIN operations, it can loiter on battlefield for a long time, and can take off and land in areas smaller than those needed for a jet, or on country roads, open fields, etc..

Hmm, interesting. Exept you do realize that after it has attacked a ground target, whoever is in that plane is doomed? Once its noticed you can already consider the pilot a dead man.

As for YAK, YAK-38 was an inefficient airplane, but same cannot be said about YAK-141 or SU-37, 27. They use only two vertical thrust engines and SU-37 is the most maneuvarable airplane on earth.

Hmm, interesting. Exept you do realize that after it has attacked a ground target, whoever is in that plane is doomed? Once its noticed you can already consider the pilot a dead man.

As for YAK, YAK-38 was an inefficient airplane, but same cannot be said about YAK-141 or SU-37, 27. They use only two vertical thrust engines and SU-37 is the most maneuvarable airplane on earth.


Not neccesarily. At low enough altitude missiles can't lock on period because there is not enough room to fire. The only problem would be AA and this design can take alot of punishment. Especially if you put a titanium bathtub just around the pilot so he can survive. He can just muscle it back to base.

Not neccesarily. At low enough altitude missiles can't lock on period because there is not enough room to fire. The only problem would be AA and this design can take alot of punishment. Especially if you put a titanium bathtub just around the pilot so he can survive. He can just muscle it back to base.

Why even use missiles? Just shoot it up with a mini-gun. Go up, then take a dive and its basically dead. Its subsonic, it can't escape the supersonic bullets. Plus since its radar must be off at all times it won't know that you're coming.

I wouldnt say that. Prop-driven aircraft have been used for ground attack ops since WWII and still are being used today, take the Vietnam conflict for example. There were jets and helos, yes, but a lot of close-in support and COIN operations were done by the A-26 Invader and AD-1 Skyraider attack aircraft.

The casualty rates were not really significantly higher because of it, Helicopters still held the highest casualty rate of the entire conflict.

Ground fire is your main danger at those kinds of low levels, and good use of tactics mitigates that danger to a degree.

Maybe you're thinking a conventional battlefield when you make those statements, I dunno.

The plane is designed for it's purpose.

I wouldnt say that. Prop-driven aircraft have been used for ground attack ops since WWII and still are being used today, take the Vietnam conflict for example. There were jets and helos, yes, but a lot of close-in support and COIN operations were done by the A-26 Invader and AD-1 Skyraider attack aircraft.

The casualty rates were not really significantly higher because of it, Helicopters still held the highest casualty rate of the entire conflict.

Ground fire is your main danger at those kinds of low levels, and good use of tactics mitigates that danger to a degree.

Maybe you're thinking a conventional battlefield when you make those statements, I dunno.

The plane is designed for it's purpose.

Okay then, well i am not gonna buy any of these, because you know how many RPers are on this forums, gonna say that they magically spotted your aircraft and then you call it a God Mod, they'll say that your aircraft is not complete stealth. In RL, i don't know how this would work, on here, i think it would fail because most Rpers can't apreciate good tactical battles.

Why even use missiles? Just shoot it up with a mini-gun. Go up, then take a dive and its basically dead. Its subsonic, it can't escape the supersonic bullets. Plus since its radar must be off at all times it won't know that you're coming.

First: you have to find it amongst the terrain and ground clutter.

Second: you have to come down to it's level to engage or at least to guns range.

Now comes your problem, you're in a jet, a fast mover, at your speed you can easily overshoot your target or just plain miss him, most fighters actually use their cannons by trying to 'spray and pray' forcing their opponant to fly through a wall of shells coming from their gun. Most guns run by a radar guided sight, and you;ve got all that nice terrain so unless you're an ace gunner the chances that you'll have difficulty even landing a hit. So what are your choices? you attack at normal high speed and have a high chance to miss me, or slow down to get a better shot.

Now if I know i'm being attacked then i'll hug the terrain tighter, or if you slow down i've got the advantage in maneuverability. You are in my playpen, at the altitude my plane was built to operate in. All it takes is a turn inside you and a pair of Stingers or equivalents on my wing stations to turn the tables.

This is exactly the tactics that the real-world A-10 pilots use for low level dogfights if they're forced into them, and they work. Yes an Su-37 is extremely maneuverable, but not close to the terrain.

OOC: Quick solution; have air cover from competent dogfighters.

I would buy this but I use what amounts to modified Me262s for the same purpose.(more for style than anything else)

This type of thing is actually quite effective, just like an AC130 no one seems to complain about it being chaingunned out of the air because it is in a position where it can shoot back very well(or in this case simply fly out of sight).

Okay then, well i am not gonna buy any of these, because you know how many RPers are on this forums, gonna say that they magically spotted your aircraft and then you call it a God Mod, they'll say that your aircraft is not complete stealth. In RL, i don't know how this would work, on here, i think it would fail because most Rpers can't apreciate good tactical battles.

That's your perogative, I just like a good discussion.

Have a good night :D

"Swarm"
Type: Antipersonnel Area-Denial Retarded (drogue-chute) Bomb
Load Weight: 565lbs
Warhead: Proximity-fuzed: approx: 14,000, 2mm tungsten flechette darts.

Method of operation: Weighing in at the same load weight at a standard Mk.82 Snake-Eye bomb, the munition can be released at low levels and high speeds, the outer casing ejecting from the bomb shortly after release. As the weapon nears the ground it's proximity fuze detonates, airbursting thousands of tiny, high-velocity, hardened flechettes over it's blast area.

Principally used for area-denial and suppression of troops, the flechettes will penetrate vegetation, wood, light vehicle armor, and body armor. The damage it can do to a human is spectacular as it is horrifying to behold.

Effective kill zone is 100yds, blast zone can be as much as 250yds with varied altitude.

Unit price: $1,100 per bomb


Inferno FAE Rocket

Type: 122mm Fuel-Air Explosive Unguided Rocket
Warhead: 18.5kg compressed ethylene oxide pressurized canister fitted with an airburst fuze detonation system.

Range: 1 mile

Launcher: Three-tube universal hardpoint mount launch system Hang weight: 1150lbs (loaded with three rockets)

Method of operation: At launch the warhead travels at least 100yds before arming (burn time on the rocket motor is to 100yds) , the proximity fuze is set for 30 feet, at which point the casing ejects from the rocket and the canister and fuze ejects from the rocket casing as well, deploying a small parachute, falling towards the ground at 20 feet the canister opens, releasing a cloud of fine ethylene oxide vapor approximately 25 feet in diameter, the fuze detonates a few seconds later, igniting the vapor cloud, delivering damage via overpressure and heat.

Multiple rocket launches can blanket an area quickly in expanding clouds of heat and pressure.

Unit price: $1750 per rocket, $1250 per three-tube launch unit.