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Outline of the Pushkan military

Pushka
27-12-2004, 23:24
Ground troops

Total number of armies, 8, Total men, 500000, supreme commander General Penikov

1st Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Makarov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

2nd Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Petrov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

3rd Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Postuhov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

4th Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Glukov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

5th Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Orlov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

6th Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Glibov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

7th Pushkan army: 65200 men, commander General Sharapov

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th Pushkan army: 62500 men, commander General Kuzmich

1st division: 6250 men, professional

2nd division: 6250 men, professional

3rd division: 6250 men, professional

4th division: 6250 men, professional

5th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

6th division: 6250 men, paratrooper

7th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

8th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

9th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

10th division: 6250 men, special ops, professional

Notes: Each division contains 20 batalions a thousand men each and 200 rotas (squads) 100 men each. The paratrooper divisions use

BMD-3RM4 Airborne Combat Vehicle (30000 units)

info:
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/R...bat_Vehicle.htm

regular infantry and special ops use

BMP-3 (Ground Infantry Fighting Vehicle, 100000 units)

info:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/

Weapons and equipment information
Pushkan army special ops division standard uniform

http://www.bratishka.ru/images/gallery/v_nikolaychuk/026.jpg

Includes 2 cm titanium body armor, titanium helmet, very flexible.

"Groza" OC-14

http://world.guns.ru/assault/groza3.jpg

Kaliber, mm: 9x39 SP-6, 7.62x39 M43
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Length, mm: overall: 700 barrel: 415
Sighting range,m: 700
Weigth, g: 3,200 (base config., unloaded)
Magazine, 20rds (9mm), 30rds AK-47 type (7.62mm)
Rate of fire, rds/min: 750

"Groza" (Thunder) OC-14 assult rifle/grenade launcher designed by CKIB SOO (Central Design Bureau of Sporting and Hunting Weapons), located in Tula, Russia, and manufactured by TOZ (Tula Weapons Plant, Russia).
This gun was initially designed for Russian Internal Affairs Ministry special forces as an assault rifle/grenade launcher kit, allowing quick in-field conversions to the following configuration:
- assault carbine (with short barrel)
- assault rifle (with longer barrel and post-type front handle)
- silenced assault rifle
- assault rifle/grenade launcher (for this conversion main fire control handle with triggerguard and triggergroup is removed, and a 40mm grenade launcher with new handle and trigger group is installed; This new trigger group has one trigger for both grenade launcher and rifle, and additional selector lever "grenade/rifle"
All parts necesary for this conversion supplied in one kit, along with carrying case
A 7.62mm version named "Groza-1" was developed for Army SpetzNaz. This version accepts AK-47 standart magazines and may be equipped with standart issue AK-74 bayonet.
Mounts for scopes or night vision devices are available.

A-91 assault rifle

http://world.guns.ru/assault/a91_1.jpg

Caliber: 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 660 mm
Barrel length: ??
Weight: 3.97 kg empty (with integral grenade launcher)
Rate of fire: 600-800 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds

The A-91 bullpup assault rifle (also known as A-91M) was developed during the 1990s by KBP (Instrument Design Bureau) in Tula, as an offspring of the A-91 family of compact assault rifles described above in the 9A-91 article. While the A-91 retains the basic gas-operated, rotating bolt action and a trigger unit design from 9A-91, it features a bullpup polymer housing, with an integral 40 mm single-shot grenade launcher mounted under the barrel. The earliest prototypes of the A-91 bullpup were fitted with the grenade launcher above the barrel, and with a front vertical foregrip; current models are fitted with the underbarrel launcher, which also serves as a forearm. The A-91 features a forward ejection system, initially developed in Tula by designers like Afanasiev during the early 1960s. In this system, the ejection port is located above the pistol grip, and points forward. Extracted cases are fed from bolt head through the short ejection tube to the ejection port, and fall out of the gun well clear of the shooter's face, even when firing from the left shoulder. As for now, the A-91 is made in small number and, probably, is used by some elite law enforcement units in Russia; it is also offered for export and domestic military and police sales.

The controls include double triggers (front for grenade launcher, back for rifle), and a large fire mode / safety lever at the right side of the receiver, above the magazine housing. The rifle trigger is fitted with an additional automatic trigger safety. The charging handle is located above the receiver, under the carrying handle, and is easily accessible for either hand.
The sights include a front post, mounted on a high base, and an aperture rear, adjustable for range, which is mounted on the integral carrying handle. The top of the carrying handle is shaped as a Weaver-type rail, and can accept a vide variety of scopes and sights. Folding grenade launcher sights are mounted at the front of the barrel.
Originally developed for 7.62 x 39 ammunition and standard AK-pattern magazines, the A-91 bullpup is now also available in 5.56 x 45 NATO chambering, which uses proprietary 30 round polymer magazines.

AS 'Val' silenced assault rifle

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as_val.jpg

Caliber: 9x39 mm (SP-6, PAB-9)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 6 lugs
Length: 875 / 615 mm (stock open / folded)
Barrel length: 200 mm
Effective range: about 300 meters with open sights
Weight: 2,96 kg empty
Rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 10 or 20 rounds

The AS "Val" (Avtomat Spetsialnij = special assault rifle) was developed by TSNIITOCHMASH under the leadership of P. Serdjukov during the late 1980s, as a part of the 9 x 39 family of silenced weapons for Soviet Special Forces. Its design is similar to one of VSS "Vintorez" sniper rifle, and differs only in the design of the buttstock and pistol grip. AS is widely used by Russian Army recon units, as well as by MVD (Internal Affairs Ministry) and FSB (Federal Security Bureau) Special Forces.
The AS is a gas operated, integrally silenced weapon. The receiver is machined from steel forging for added strength. The long stroke gas piston is located above the barrel, and rigidly attached to the bolt carrier. The rotating bolt has six lugs and locks into the receiver. The front part of the barrel, ahead of the gas port, has several sets of holes, drilled at the bottom of the rifling grooves. These holes are used to bleed some of the gun gas into the integral silencer. The trigger unit is somewhat similar to that of the Czech-made Sa. Vz.58 assault rifle, and the gun is striker-fired. The safety lever is similar to the one found on all Kalashnikov-type rifles, but the fire mode selector is a separate cross-bolt type button, located within the trigger guard, just behind the trigger. The open sights are graduated up to 400 meters in 25 meter increments, but the actual effective range is about 200-300 meters due to the rainbow-shaped trajectory of the heavy subsonic bullets. The AS is optimized for high performance armor piercing 9x39mm ammunition, designated as SP-6 or PAB-9, but can also fire "ball" type SP-5 ammunition, intended for VSS sniper rifles. The pistol grip and the short forearm are made from polymer, the skeletonized, side-folding buttstock is made from steel tubing. The AS rifle has a standard side-mounted rail for optical, night vision or red dot scopes. It has no provision for mounting a bayonet or a grenade launcher. The integral silencer could be easily detached for maintenance, repair, or compact storage, but the rifle cannot be fired with the silencer removed due to safety and reliability issues.

Regular army standard uniform

http://www.volny.cz/ak-47/aks-74u/russian_soldier.jpg

privates have regular body armor, officers have titanium body armor, the uniform is designed to not let the cold through to the soldier's body.

AEK-971 standard assault rifle for Pushkan regular army divisions

http://world.guns.ru/assault/aek971_545.jpg

Caliber: 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt, balanced
Overall length: 965 mm
Barrel length: ?? mm
Weigth: 3.3 kg without magazine
Magazine capacity: 30 rds, all standart AK-47 or AK-74 magazines depending on caliber

AEK971 is being developed at Kovrov Machinebuilding Plant (formerly known as Kovrov Machineguns Plant) by chief designer S.I.Koksharov.
Key feature of the AEK971 is gas driven, balanced action with rotating bolt barrel locking. Balancing mean that AEK971 gas drive has two gas chambers and two gas pistons. First gas piston is linked wia gas rod to the bolt carrier an moves as usual. Second gas piston is linked to the balancing msteel weight and moves in opposite (to main gas piston) direction. This design is implemented to eliminate 3 of 4 total impulces of the movement that affect rifle during the full-auto fire. 1st impulse rifle received when bullet moves along the barrel - this is recoil itself. Second impulse rifle received when heavy bolt carrier/bolt group moves along the receiver back and forth. Third impulse is received when bolt carrier/bolt group stops in the rear position and fourth - when this group stops in forward position after new cartridge is chambered. Synchronous and opposite movement of the balancing weight eliminates all except the recoil impulse, so rifle becomes far more stable during full-auto fire.
The gain of accuracy in full auto is whole 15-20%, when compared to AK-74 asault rifle in the same kaliber. The newly adopted by Russian army AN-94 assault rifle has slight edge over the AEK974 only in short burst (2 rounds only) mode. In full-auto medium or long bursrt fire mode (3-5 or 7-10 rounds per burst) AEK974 wins hands down, being also some 0.5kg lighter than AN-94, simplier and cheaper to manufacture.
At the present time AEK971 in both 5.45x39mm and 7.62x39mm chamberings is being tested by Russain army in some quantities (my sources said that at least one hundred of AEK971s in 7.62mm was aquired by Russian army for field testing).
AEK971 has folding metall buttsock with plastic coating (to protect shooter in extremely hot or cold conditions), plastic forearm and fire control grip, and uses standart AK-47 or AK-74 30rds magazines (depending on chamberings). It also features safety switch/fire mode selector of diferent appearance (when compared to Kalashnikow design). Fire selector allows 2 modes of fire - single shots semi-auto and full auto. At some 800-900 rounds per second it's not impossible to manually control lenght of the fire bursrts, and this weapon is more stable during the fire than ordinal design rifles, so 2 or 3 rounds mode is not implemented (at least, at this time).

Dragunov SVD standard sniper rifle used by regular army and special ops teams, standard caliber


http://world.guns.ru/sniper/svd_new.jpg

Caliber: Russian 7.62x54mm Rimmed
Operation: gas operated, short stroke, rotating bolt; semi-automatic
Capacity: 10 round detachable box magazine
Weight: 4.31kg empty with telescope
Length: 1225 mm
Barrel Length: 620 mm
Max Rate of Fire: 30 RPM
Aimed Rate of Fire: 3-5 RPM
Scope Type: PSO-1 with illuminated reticle
Accuracy: less than 2MOA at 600m

SVD was designed not as a standart sniper rifle. In fact, main role of the SVD ir Soviet / Russian Army is to extend effective range of fire of every infantry squad up to 600 meters and to provide special fire support. SVD is a lightweight and quite accurate (for it's class) rifle, cabable of semi-auto fire. First request for new sniper rifle was issued in 1958. In 1963 SVD (Snaiperskaya Vintovka Dragunova, or Dragunov Sniper Rifle) was accepted by Soviet Military. SVD can use any kind of standart 7.62x54R ammo, but primary round is specially developed for SVD sniper-grade cartridge with steel-core bullet. Every infantry squad in the Russian (Soviet) army had one man with SVD.
SVD is extremely reliable in all conditions, and designed for heavy battles. It has backup ajustable iron sights as a standart option, as well as a bayonet mount (standart AK-47 bayonet type).
Latest modernisation incorporate rugged polymer stock. Also, for mounted and airborne troops developed variant with folding buttsock and shortened barrel (590 mm). New flash hider/muzzle brake also installed.
All modifications of SVD passed many real battle tests during Afghan war as well as many other local conflicts, including latest Chechen wars. SVD was widely used and copied across the former Warshaw pact countries and still in service with Russian Army and many Russian Law Enforcement agencies (as well in oter CIS countries).

OSV-96 large calibre rifle used by both regular army and special ops.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/osv96.jpg

The OSV-96 12.7mm sniper rifle began its life during early 1990s as V-94. Designed and developed at famous KBP (Instrument Design Bureau) in Tula. During following years rifle incorporated several improvements, and was eventually re-designated as OSV-96. It is offered for export and local buyers, and apparently is used in small numbers by MVD troops in Chechnya.

The OSV-96 is a gas operated, rotating bolt semiautomatic rifle. The bolt locks directly to the barrel extension, so it is possible to made a hinge between the barrel and receiver. When not in use, the OSV-96 could be "folded" around this hinge to save the space, since the rifle is quite long. This feature also allows for quick transformation from folded into battle-ready position. The long barrel is free-floated, and fitted with long combination muzzle brake - flash hider. The integral folding bipods are mounted on the special console, attached to the base of the barrel, next to the hinge point. The polymer buttstock is fitted with rubber recoil pad. OSV-96 is usually fitted with some sort of telescope or night vision sight, but also carries a set of back-up iron sights.

The exact accuracy data of the OSV-96 is not yet published, but, apparently, it is enough for intended work as a anti-materiel rifle or mid-range counter-sniper rifle.

standard handgun Yarygin PYa / MP-443 "Grach" pistol

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/pya-l.jpg

Type: Double Action
Caliber: 9x19 mm 7N21 (9mm Luger/Para)
Weight unloaded: 950 g (with empty magazine)
Length: 198 mm
Barrel length: 112 mm
Capacity: 17 rounds

The PYa (Pistolet Yarygina - Yarygin pistol) was developed for the Russian Army trials, codenamed "Grach" (rook). These trials were started by issuing initial requirements for a new military pistol in 1993. Than new pistol should had have a DA trigger, large capacity magazine, all steel construction and be able to be converted into 9x18 PM and PMM, 9x19mm Luger, and 7.62x25mm TT chamberings. Later on, the multicaliber option was dropped from military requirements, and in the late 1990s Russian army settled on the improved version of the worlds' most popular 9mm Luger/Parabellum round, very hot loaded (peak pressure generated by 7N21 is well beyond 9mm +P standards) and fitted with armour piercing bullet with hardened steel core. Several designs were submitted to the trials, but eventual winner was the pistol, designed at the state Izhevsk Mechanical Plant by the Vladimir Yarygin. This pistol, initially known as the 6P35 (military index during trials) or as MP-443 "Grach" (manufacturer's designation), now is officially adopted by the Russian Government for Military and Law Enforcement use under the PYa designation, and already issued to some Russian Army units, most probably located in Chechnya.

In those ages of lightweight alloys and plastics, and complicated trigger systems, the all steel DA pistol may look little outdated and conservative, but, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with the conservative approach, especially if it the result is well balanced and fits the intended niche well, which PYa does. I had the chance to examine the production pistol, as well as to see it in action (during Russian Law Enforcement IPSC competition, held in September, 2003, near the St.Petersburg). For me, PYa appeared as a well balanced, sturdy pistol with adequate accuracy and decent firepower. The only things that could be improved, in my opinion, are the fixed sights, and the shape of the polymer grip panels, that felt too angular in my palm.

The PYa is a short recoil operated, locked breech pistol. It uses a modified Browning "High Power"-style locking, with the cammed slot under the barrel, that is used to lock and unlock the single lug on the barrel with the ejection window in the slide. The slide and frame are made from carbon steel, the barrel is made from stainless steel. The conventional DA trigger features an ambidextrous manual safety on the frame, that could lock the hammer either in lowered or in cocked position, allowing for "cocked and locked" mode carry. There's no decocker, and additional automated safety is built into the system, that locks the firing pin when trigger is not pressed. The external hammer on production pistols is partially enclosed from the sides by the slide extensions, to facilitate snag-proof handling. Front sight is machined with the slide, rear sight is dovetailed into the same. Both sights featured white non-luminous inserts (tritium-filled "night" sights available as option). Wrap-around grip panels are made from polymer, and the grip is provided with the lanyard ring. Button-operated magazine release is located at the base of the triggerguard, and can be mounted on either side of the frame, depending on the user preferences (easily re-installed by the user itself in a minute). Dual stack magazines are made from steel and hold 17 rounds of 9x19mm ammunition, plus one in chamber. There's also some information that a 18-rounds magazine will be introduced for PYa in 2004.

NTW-20 anti-materiel rifle

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ntw20_1.jpg


Caliber 20 x 83.5 mm MG151 14.5 x 114 mm Russian
Operation manual bolt action
Barrel length 1000 mm 1220 mm
Weight 26 kg 29 kg
Length 1795 mm 2015 mm
Feed Mechanism detachable box magazine, 3 rounds


Maximum effective range 1500+ meters 2300+ meters

This rifle was designed in the early to mid 1990s by South African arms designer Tony Neophytou, who also took its part in designing the Neostead combat shotgun. Initial development was under the Aerotek name, and later the Mechem division of the DENEL Group, a major South African arms manufacturer, purchased all rights for this design. In the 1998 South African National Defense Forces adopted this weapon and began to purchase it in some numbers. It is also offered for export sales. The NTW-20 is a long range anti-materiel rifle, developed to reach out across wide plains of South African landscape and to deliver substantial firepower in a relatively compact, two men portable package. It is available in two versions, 20mm and 14.5mm, and could be easily converted from one variant to another by simple replacement of the barrel, bolt, magazine and scope, which will take about 1 minute in the field conditions. These two versions had slightly different applications: 20mm version, built around WW2-era German MG-151 aircraft gun round, can deliver high explosive, fragmentation or incendiary shells with good accuracy, so a relatively "soft" targets could be disabled by the blast and / or fragments. When the long range and armor penetration is an issue, the 14.5mm version comes into the play. It is built around another WW2-era round, Soviet 14.5mm high velocity, armor-piercing cartridge, developed for PTRD and PTRS anti-tank rifles and still widely used in Russian KPV / KPVT heavy machine guns on armored cars and in anti-aircraft mounts. While probably not so accurate as the specially developed .50BMG (12.7x99mm) rifles, mostly due to unavailability of the "match grade" ammunition in the 14.5mm and 20mm, NTW-20 offers significantly more terminal effectiveness than any .50BMG rifle / round combination. 20 mm version could be most effective against targets like parked aircrafts and helicopters, command and communications equipment, radar cabins, fuel dumps, unarmored cars. 14.5 mm version will be more effective against armored personnel carriers or relatively large "soft" targets at extended ranges. Anti-personnel work is by no means a primary task for this huge rifle.

NTW-20 is a manually operated, rotating bolt action rifle. The barrel is locked by the rotating bolt that has 6 lugs. The barrel along with the receiver could recoil inside the chassis frame against combined hydraulic and pneumatic damping system. Large two-chamber muzzle brake also helps to keep recoil at the acceptable level. NTW-20 is fed from the detachable box magazine, that is inserted from the left side and holds 3 rounds. The rifle could be disassembled and carried in two man-portable packs, each weighting about 12 - 15 kg. One pack carries the frame, stock, butt and bipod while the other carries the barrel, sighting equipment
and magazines. NTW-20 is equipped with a 8X magnification, long eye relief telescopic sight on the quick detachable mount. No open sight are fitted by default. The folding bipod is mounted under the receiver, and a non-folding frame above the receiver serves as a carrying handle and a scope protection bracket.

AT-16 Scallion

Notes: Known as the 9M127 Vikhr to the Russians, the Scallion was introduced shortly after the AT-9 Spiral-2, and is a greatly-improved version of that missile and the AT-6 Spiral. It is a fast, powerful missile that is used not only from the latest Russian attack helicopters, but also from aircraft such as the SU-25 and SU-39 Frogfoot, and the various versions of the Flanker. Several versions of the Scallion are available for the Twilight War, including a few experimental models that are rather rare. The Scallion has the speed and maneuverability to take down helicopters and slow-flying aircraft; the 9M227F is particularly useful for this, as it can be used as a conventional heat-seeking air-to-air missile in addition to being able to attack ground targets. Speed of the 9M127 series is 2000 meters per phase, while the speed of the 9M227 series is 2175 meters per phase.

Twilight 2000 Notes: The MiG-35, MiG-37, and Su-40 are also able to use the AT-16. Though it was not designed for firing from ground vehicles, some of the MT-LB AT-6 ATGM carriers were reportedly modified late in the war to use the Scallion.

Eryx ATGM (standard)

http://www.jedsite.info/missiles/echo/eryx_series/z-canada/ca-eryx_001.jpg

Food: SRNP (Self Replenishing Nutrition Product)
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7803297&posted=1#post7803297

Kord 2.7 standard for everyone

http://world.guns.ru/machine/kord_l.jpg

caliber: 12,7x109 mm
weigth: 25.5 kg MG itself, 41.5 kg on 6T7 tripod mount with 50 rds belt
Length: no data
Length of barrel: no data
Feeding: belt 50 rounds
Rate of fire: 650-750 rounds/min
V0: 820-860 m/s

The "Kord" is the newest development in the heavy MG class. It is developed and manufactured at Kovrov Mechanikal Plant (ZID - V.A.Degtyarev plant JSC), Russia.
The "Kord" will replace the now-in-service NSV-12.7 and NSVT "Utes" MGs. The main reasons for this replacement are 1) need for more accurate heavy MG and 2) the fact that "Utes" MGs are manufactured in Ukraine and the supply of both new MGs and spare parts are limited since the desintegration of USSR.

The "Kord" is belt-fed, air-cooled, gas-operated full-auto only machine gun. It uses different from the NSV locking principle - barrel locking is achieved via breechblock device. Belt (same as in NSV) could be feed from both left and right sides. Barrel is quich changeable, and is built under the proprietary ZIDs technology that ensures axially symmetrical heating of the barrel during the fire and thus retaining good accuracy during sustained fire for longer amount of time (and ammo). This technology (probably) borrowed from GSh-23 aircraft guns, which also manufactured at ZID. According to some sources, accuracy of the Kord is some 1.5-2 times better, than NSV "Utes". "Kord" also equipped with muzzle brake/flash hider.
Standart sights are ajustable open sights, but mounts for scopes or night sights are standart. "Kord" has the same mounting acessories as NSV, and, thus, may be installed on every mount, designed for NSV "Utes". Tank version of the "Kord" also available, with electrically powered trigger and charging mechanisms.
According to available sources, the "Kord" is oficially adopted by Russian army and already supplied in some quantities in infantry version. The first known vehicle that mounts "Kord" is newest Russian MBT T-90s. The "Kord" is installed in remote controlled mount on the top of the tank turret and used as AA gun.
Interesting fact: in one of the TV reports (march 2001) from ZID plant "Kord" was shown firing from light bipod. It is obviously the result of experience gained in latest Chechen wars: the heavy MG crew could maneuver more quickly with such mount, for the cost of decreased effective range of fire.
Roman Republic
27-12-2004, 23:31
Would you mind, telling me what each division's weapons and equipment. PLus How are you going to transport them.
Pushka
27-12-2004, 23:32
Would you mind, telling me what each division's weapons and equipment. PLus How are you going to transport them.

I am gonna do that later. My internet is bad, it gives me errors if i stay on one page for too long. As for transportation, i am gonna start development of transport helicopters and planes soon. For now, by train and by foot.
Roman Republic
27-12-2004, 23:34
I am gonna do that later. My internet is bad, it gives me errors if i stay on one page for too long.


My bad!!
Samtonia
27-12-2004, 23:40
Ummm...wow. Where are the support personnel? Where are your logistics? You sir, have none. You're going to need 6 to one logistics to soldiers to be supplied at all. At all well that is.
Pushka
27-12-2004, 23:43
Support personel list is coming later. Logistics? What is that? Excuse my english.
Samtonia
27-12-2004, 23:46
[OOC- Logistics. The way you get weapons, ammunition, food, training, software upgrades, repairs, medical treatment, etc..to soldiers. Logistics includes basically all non-duty personnel, from Quartermasters to MPS, from military psychologists to the men who check ammunition.

In short, the glue that holds an army together. Six men supporting one soldier is about how the minimal requirements work out. I've got eight to one, others more. It's just how functional you want your army to be.]
Roman Republic
27-12-2004, 23:48
So you use AK-108's. I'll provide you with American XM-8's or XM29 OICW's to replace it
SovietRepublicofRussia
27-12-2004, 23:52
So you use AK-108's. I'll provide you with American XM-8's or XM29 OICW's to replace it
Do not accept these western weapons... if you are a true Russian you will improve on our designs
Roman Republic
27-12-2004, 23:56
Do not accept these western weapons... if you are a true Russian you will improve on our designs

I am a true Soviet. I have soviet weapon systems like the: Orel Ul'yanovsk,
Kreml Kremlin / Kuznetsov ACs and the soviet SS-39 Obitial Nuke missile Satellite.
Tiborita
27-12-2004, 23:58
(OOC) To learn more about logistics, you might want to read through this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828) thread. Also, you probably shouldn't be putting more then 2% of your population into the military.
Cotland
28-12-2004, 00:01
Do not accept these western weapons... if you are a true Russian you will improve on our designs

Dude, the Soviet collapsed 15 years ago... give the Soviet nostralgia some rest, would ya (Yep, I live in a NATO country...)?

Pushka, I've got a wide array of weapons in the XM-8-family, which I am willing to sell to you for quite a bargain, should you need it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383655
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:03
[OOC- Logistics. The way you get weapons, ammunition, food, training, software upgrades, repairs, medical treatment, etc..to soldiers. Logistics includes basically all non-duty personnel, from Quartermasters to MPS, from military psychologists to the men who check ammunition.

In short, the glue that holds an army together. Six men supporting one soldier is about how the minimal requirements work out. I've got eight to one, others more. It's just how functional you want your army to be.]

Oh i got that covered 6% of my population which i can by the rules use in the military is 4500000 men. I divided that number by half and got and got 2250000 thats my combat personel, the rest are logistics.

My semi-professional, regular troops use AK-108, my Special Ops teams use AEK-971. But let me keep editing my first post for all the info.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:06
Dude, the Soviet collapsed 15 years ago... give the Soviet nostralgia some rest, would ya (Yep, I live in a NATO country...)?

Pushka, I've got a wide array of weapons in the XM-8-family, which I am willing to sell to you for quite a bargain, should you need it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383655

Nah thanks man, i like the guns i have right now. Soviet Nostalgia, forever! Plus AEK-971 is a very good gun, same with AK-108. Even Ak-74 is a superb weapon.
I shot from one of those babies back in Chechnya, you can actually fire from one hand for a few seconds, its very good with recoil. Plus i am using AK-108 which is more accurate and got more fire power. I am gonna psot all of this in my first post.
SovietRepublicofRussia
28-12-2004, 00:06
Dude, the Soviet collapsed 15 years ago... give the Soviet nostralgia some rest, would ya (Yep, I live in a NATO country...)?

Pushka, I've got a wide array of weapons in the XM-8-family, which I am willing to sell to you for quite a bargain, should you need it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383655

I live in a frm Soviet nation and I am a member of its communist party and will never let that die
Roman Republic
28-12-2004, 00:10
Nah thanks man, i like the guns i have right now. Soviet Nostalgia, forever! Plus AEK-971 is a very good gun, same with AK-108. Even Ak-74 is a superb weapon.
I shot from one of those babies back in Chechnya, you can actually fire from one hand for a few seconds, its very good with recoil. Plus i am using AK-108 which is more accurate and got more fire power. I am gonna psot all of this in my first post.


I wish i could fire an AK-105, I could mow down gangsters
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:12
I wish i could fire an AK-105, I could mow down gangsters

Do I sense sarcasm of some sort?
Roman Republic
28-12-2004, 00:13
Do I sense sarcasm of some sort?

No, I actually mean it
Cotland
28-12-2004, 00:20
Nah thanks man, i like the guns i have right now. Soviet Nostalgia, forever! Plus AEK-971 is a very good gun, same with AK-108. Even Ak-74 is a superb weapon.
I shot from one of those babies back in Chechnya, you can actually fire from one hand for a few seconds, its very good with recoil. Plus i am using AK-108 which is more accurate and got more fire power. I am gonna psot all of this in my first post.


Well, I've only tried my uncle's G3, MP5 and Glock 17 (standard issue weapons to the Norwegian military)...
But in a year or two when I get drafted, I'm gonna shoot with everything the Norwegian military has to offer :D
Praetonia
28-12-2004, 00:24
LOL your men wear 6cm of titanium! That's more than the front armour on a BMP-2. I trust that you RP them:

a) Not being able to move
b) Throwing away the armour
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:30
LOL your men wear 6cm of titanium! That's more than the front armour on a BMP-2. I trust that you RP them:

a) Not being able to move
b) Throwing away the armour

Titanium is a very light metal if you didn't know. But i lowered it to 2cm just to keep you happy.

Okay Ground troops done for now, now i need to work on ground machinery, like tanks and stuff.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:52
9th Pushkan army, mechanized, supreme commander General Dubov

1st division: 7000 tanks, 28000 men, supreme commnader General Vodomerov

1st Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Krushev

2nd Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Ivanov

3rd Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Broskov

4th Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Krugov

5th Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Brushko

6th Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Genin

7th Pushkan tank batalion: 1000 tanks, 4000 men, commander General Yarshokov

Tank used: T-95
http://armor.kiev.ua/fofanov/Tanks/MBT/t-95_line.gif

http://www.tanksim.com/topic8.htm

Notes: Each batalion contains ten tank wings, 100 tanks each.

2nd division: 5000 2S1 mobile infantry units, supreme commander General Gorshkov

1st mobile artillery batalion: 1000 2S1 mobile artillery units, commander General Jiglov

2nd mobile artillery batalion: 1000 2S1 mobile artillery units, commander General Pupkov

3rd mobile artillery batalion: 1000 2S1 mobile artillery units, commander General Artemin

4th mobile artillery batalion: 1000 2S1 mobile artillery units, commander General Krutoi

1st mobile artillery batalion: 1000 2S1 mobile artillery units, commander General Kirkorov

mobile artillery piece used, 2S1

http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms_systems/Land/Artillery/Self_Propelled/2s1infld.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/2s1.htm
Pushka
28-12-2004, 00:54
i'll continue this tomorrow then i am less tired.
Samtonia
28-12-2004, 02:18
Oh i got that covered 6% of my population which i can by the rules use in the military is 4500000 men. I divided that number by half and got and got 2250000 thats my combat personel, the rest are logistics.

My semi-professional, regular troops use AK-108, my Special Ops teams use AEK-971. But let me keep editing my first post for all the info.

[OOC-So your logistics are 1 man per every fighting soldier. Infantry soldiers, not counting mechanized vehicles which require even more men to support them. Sorry. Try again. Take 4,500,000 and divide by six- minimum, for a somewhat well equipped and supplied army. Now take the number you get, 750,000, and this is your active-duty military. All of it. Every sailor, airman, infantryman, and tanker.

Of course, if you want an army that's massive but has no:
1. Food
2. Ammunition
3. Food
4. Medical supplies
5. Organization
6. Repairs
then by all means, keep it one logistics man to every soldier. But since you want a functional army, cut it down to what I just gave you (750,000).]
Pushka
28-12-2004, 02:41
[OOC-So your logistics are 1 man per every fighting soldier. Infantry soldiers, not counting mechanized vehicles which require even more men to support them. Sorry. Try again. Take 4,500,000 and divide by six- minimum, for a somewhat well equipped and supplied army. Now take the number you get, 750,000, and this is your active-duty military. All of it. Every sailor, airman, infantryman, and tanker.

Of course, if you want an army that's massive but has no:
1. Food
2. Ammunition
3. Food
4. Medical supplies
5. Organization
6. Repairs
then by all means, keep it one logistics man to every soldier. But since you want a functional army, cut it down to what I just gave you (750,000).]


I have solved the problem of food with my SRNP. As for other stuff. Hmm, i don't know, i'll think about this. Although in one of the stickies it said that just about half of my military is logistics and the other half is combat. But once again i'll think on this, damn i am gonna have to revise what i already posted.

I am not gonna devide anything, the rules say its okay and i am gonna follow the rules. I don't need cooks, i don't need food supplies, all of those problems were eliminated by my SRNP, repairs, i think 2280000 people can cover that (i don't have more then 50000 units of machinery) and there will still be plenty people left to deliver medical supplies. This all makes perfect sense.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 19:07
Air Force, supreme Commander general Osmanov

Aircrafts: 1000 Fighter/bombers, 250 Sukhoi T-60S Project, 250 Sukhoi T-4MS("200"), 250 Myasishchev GP-60D Katun

Total: 1750 aircrafts

Total men: 3250 (all either pilots or bomber personel)

1st Pushkan wing, commander General Mishin: 1000 PJF-01, 1000 men

2nd Pushkan wing, commander General Gorshkov: 250 Sukhoi T-60S Project

3rd Pushkan wing, commander General Grebov: 250 Sukhoi T-4MS("200")

4th Pushkan wing, commander General Pluhin: 250 Myasishchev GP-60D Katun

5th Pushkan wing, transportational, commander General Bolshoi: 800 IL-76, 800 Mi-8

6th Pushkan wing, attack helicopters, commander General Bobrov: 700 Mi-28 Havocs

Notes: Each bomber needs 3 men to operate.
Ratheia
28-12-2004, 19:08
Interesting, pushka.
Ratheia
28-12-2004, 19:11
Air Force

Aircrafts: 7000 Fighter/bombers, 5000 Sukhoi T-60S Project, 5000 Sukhoi T-4MS("200"), 5000 Myasishchev GP-60D Katun

Total: 22000 aircrafts

Total men: 52000 (all either pilots or bomber personel)

1st

These numbers are ridiculous. I will ignore you until further notice. A antion of your miniscule cannot maintain and have a Air Force of such size. No matter what. My fleet is roughly 10,000 aircraft, and i'm much larger than you. And my airforce is compsoed of 26 Million people!
Pushka
28-12-2004, 19:11
These numbers are ridiculous. I will ignore you until further notice. A antion of your miniscule cannot maintain and have a Air Force of such size. No matter what. My fleet is roughly 10,000 aircraft, and i'm much larger than you. And my airforce is compsoed of 26 Million people!

Thats good for you. But you see i had people funding me. Go ahead ignore me. Very rich people.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 19:18
Seems that there is only navy left to go. Gonna do it later.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 20:31
Alright to make this fair, i am gonna say that a large part of my air force is grounded at all time do to the lack of fuel.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 20:37
navy

supreme commander General Morozov

190 Abyss class destroyers
50 Oliver H. Perry class frigates
50 Seeker class patrol frigates
50 Black Sea class AEGIS cruisers
3 Project 941 (Akula) Typhoon class subs
50 K-407 (Delta IV class) PLARB - Nuclear Powered Ballistic Missile Submarine
15 Project 949A Antey (Antey-II)
100 Project 877 B Varshavyanka hunter/killer submarines

Notes: One antartic ocean fleet, 200000 sailors in the navy.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 20:39
All of that lives me: 2648000 men for logistics, its more then 1:1 ratio, so its completely realistic.
Samtonia
28-12-2004, 20:44
[OOC- Really, go read the stickies. 1 to 1 will never work. Logistics aren't just the men delivering supplies, it's the men tabulating them, getting them ready to ship, shipping them, and actually being able to use the supplies and dole them out.

1 to 1 is a horrible number, a wrong number, and a blatantly godmoding number if your army somehow functions.

If you go through with this, most if not all people on NS would only fight you if:
1. No ammo deliveries took place. Ever. Or at the very most, seldomly.
2. No repairs took place. And if they did, nothing complicated, like fixing targetting computers, weapons, etc...Just duct tape and grease type jobs.
3. Your wounded had something like a 85% casualty rate. With a 1 to 1 ratio of support, you cannot transport wounded behind the front lines, fix them up once they get there, get medicine to them, or have trained doctord there to help them.
4. No fuel for your vehicles. At all. Your tanks will always run on fumes, your airforce will always be grounded.
5. Horrible morale. No deliveries of warm meals to troops. No new weapons. No ammo. Your troops will have worse morale then the Italians dutring WW2 in Africa.

With 1 to 1, you can maybe focus on one of these areas to attempt to alleviate the problem. But not solve it, not help more then one. Here. Read this essay on logics by someone who has an inate grasp of it.

http://www.military-sf.com/Logistics.htm

I quote from it: It has been said that for every fighter there are five to twenty rear echelon non-combatants that support him and the other rear echelon non-combatants. Cooks, finance clerks, lawyers, chaplains, doctors, dentists, military intelligence specialist, cargo plane and helicopter pilots, military police, technicians, mechanics and more.

So 1 to 1 is idiotic, non-functional, and just plain wrong. Please, just read the logistics stickies and this article and then try to make your military. and realistic? Nope. no army is history had that horrible of a logistics set-up. Even Soviet conscripts, who were not the best supplied or equipped, had something like a 5:1 ratio.]
Pushka
28-12-2004, 20:48
[OOC- Really, go read the stickies. 1 to 1 will never work. Logistics aren't just the men delivering supplies, it's the men tabulating them, getting them ready to ship, shipping them, and actually being able to use the supplies and dole them out.

1 to 1 is a horrible number, a wrong number, and a blatantly godmoding number if your army somehow functions.

If you go through with this, most if not all people on NS would only fight you if:
1. No ammo deliveries took place. Ever. Or at the very most, seldomly.
2. No repairs took place. And if they did, nothing complicated, like fixing targetting computers, weapons, etc...Just duct tape and grease type jobs.
3. Your wounded had something like a 85% casualty rate. With a 1 to 1 ratio of support, you cannot transport wounded behind the front lines, fix them up once they get there, get medicine to them, or have trained doctord there to help them.
4. No fuel for your vehicles. At all. Your tanks will always run on fumes, your airforce will always be grounded.
5. Horrible morale. No deliveries of warm meals to troops. No new weapons. No ammo. Your troops will have worse morale then the Italians dutring WW2 in Africa.

With 1 to 1, you can maybe focus on one of these areas to attempt to alleviate the problem. But not solve it, not help more then one. Here. Read this essay on logics by someone who has an inate grasp of it.

http://www.military-sf.com/Logistics.htm

I quote from it:

So 1 to 1 is idiotic, non-functional, and just plain wrong. Please, just read the logistics stickies and this article and then try to make your military. and realistic? Nope. no army is history had that horrible of a logistics set-up. Even Soviet conscripts, who were not the best supplied or equipped, had something like a 5:1 ratio.]


Great now i have to revise the whole fucking thing. I read one of the stickies it said its alright to have a 1:1 ratio. Ah....screw it.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:20
Is it better now? I revised it. Its more then a 5:1 ratio. I'll think i'll add acouple of more armies to my ground troops to make it a 5:1 ratio.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:30
Ah to hell with it, i am gonna put the remaining 246875 into the reserve.

Okay, any thoughts on the outline of army?
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:35
Oh a question. Do carrier helicopter pilots count as logistics?
McCountry
28-12-2004, 21:37
Support personel list is coming later. Logistics? What is that? Excuse my english.You could always contract out to McCountry-Haliburton. Mi Gavareem po Ruski!
Samtonia
28-12-2004, 21:40
Oh a question. Do carrier helicopter pilots count as logistics?
WEll, the combat ones don't. That is, the ones that locate subs, drop friendly forces in enemy territory- Basically the ones that fight. The ones, however, that re-supply, ferry personnel around, and other mundane tasks like that have pilots counted as logistics.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:42
You could always contract out to McCountry-Haliburton. Mi Gavareem po Ruski!

Zdarova, da ia vrubilsia, pomoshi ne nu jna, sposibo za predlojenie.
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:43
WEll, the combat ones don't. That is, the ones that locate subs, drop friendly forces in enemy territory- Basically the ones that fight. The ones, however, that re-supply, ferry personnel around, and other mundane tasks like that have pilots counted as logistics.

Alright once my transport helicopters and planes get finished i am just gonna take as much men as i need from the reserves.

Anyways what do you think? Is it realistic now?
Samtonia
28-12-2004, 21:51
[OOC-Much better. The infantry and mechanized sections are perfect. True, your tanks may not be the best supplied, but they'll be supplied enough. Quantity over quality.

Your navy seems a bit large, but if most ships are either quayed up or just patrolling the homeland, the numbers should be fine, albeit a bit undermanned.

Airforce, I would say drop the number of fighters. A lot. You're still a pretty small nation, so go for an airforce with about 1,000 fighter-bombers, max. This way you have planes that can actually fight against others, with tech almost the same. I'd rather have 10 Mig-27's then 50 P-51's, and I'm sure you would too.

Invest in some radar aircraft (EWACS bird, etc...) get some high altitude, long range bombers, maybe a few stealthy ones, get more transpot vehicles and artillery, get more weapons for our infantry and ramp up training a bit and get some transport ships. Of course, do this all over time, slowly. I'd say it'd be better to have a smaller, better trained army then a honking uge one with bad training and supplies. Unless, of course, that's your thing.

Anyways, great step in the right direction. hope your armed forces are as realistic as possible in the future as well!]
Pushka
28-12-2004, 21:55
[OOC-Much better. The infantry and mechanized sections are perfect. True, your tanks may not be the best supplied, but they'll be supplied enough. Quantity over quality.

Your navy seems a bit large, but if most ships are either quayed up or just patrolling the homeland, the numbers should be fine, albeit a bit undermanned.

Airforce, I would say drop the number of fighters. A lot. You're still a pretty small nation, so go for an airforce with about 1,000 fighter-bombers, max. This way you have planes that can actually fight against others, with tech almost the same. I'd rather have 10 Mig-27's then 50 P-51's, and I'm sure you would too.

Invest in some radar aircraft (EWACS bird, etc...) get some high altitude, long range bombers, maybe a few stealthy ones, get more transpot vehicles and artillery, get more weapons for our infantry and ramp up training a bit and get some transport ships. Of course, do this all over time, slowly. I'd say it'd be better to have a smaller, better trained army then a honking uge one with bad training and supplies. Unless, of course, that's your thing.

Anyways, great step in the right direction. hope your armed forces are as realistic as possible in the future as well!]


Well my jet fighters are techonolically advanced. They are basically modified SU-47s, plus they use plasma stealth technology (still working out the light thing) plus i paid a pretty penny to make 7000. I already have long range bombers, and they are stealth, all my aircrafts use plasma stealth technology.

I'll put another 100000 men into the navy, taking them from the reserves.

Okay i edited the air force, wanna buy some PJFs?
Praetonia
29-12-2004, 19:40
Titanium is a very light metal if you didn't know. But i lowered it to 2cm just to keep you happy.

Okay Ground troops done for now, now i need to work on ground machinery, like tanks and stuff.
Better, but aluminium is light. Try wearing 6cm of that. Not only is it heavy, but the bulk will make it hard to move your arms and especially to hold a gun, not to mention the fact that it will be uncomfortably hot during the day and uncomfortably cold at night. You're best just using kevlar, like "everyone else" does.
Pushka
29-12-2004, 19:45
Better, but aluminium is light. Try wearing 6cm of that. Not only is it heavy, but the bulk will make it hard to move your arms and especially to hold a gun, not to mention the fact that it will be uncomfortably hot during the day and uncomfortably cold at night. You're best just using kevlar, like "everyone else" does.

Well i bought those vests from someone (don't remember) they said its new technolgoy and shit, and that they eliminated most disadavantages. I paid my money, so i am gonna choose to believe them.