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China will not allow the U.S. to pursue a military solution to Iranian nuclear ambitions.

[OOC] does anybody want to RP the US of A - ya might lose. :D

OOC: US lose to China? Riiiiiiight. Also, try putting in more of a storyline...

[OOC = I could throw in my research and why this conclusion is likely if a war started today. But stories? I dont get paid enough to tell bed time stories here.]

China has any investments in Iran? If i remember Russia was the one who taught the Iranians to produce the gas needed for Uranium enrichment process. And that was just recently. What does china have to do with this?

Also China might actuall defeat US. They hva much more people and if they crack their secret stash and buy a bunch of Russian latest Jet Fighters and tanks US will get its ass wooped, taking into consideration that US is the attacker. If US is on defensive, i don't know.

Well, if you're going for an RP, you should probably make a storyline for this thing to be started. Also, neither nation could conquer the other, but the US's technological, motivational, and training advantage would push China out of Iran, if there was to be a battle there.

OOC: Hmmm....We do need a story for this RP. I got it! It'll be about a goat that served in 'nam. The goat is disgruntled and opens a disco! It can be called "Operation Disgoat inferno!" Of course, we have to lose the whole "China/Iran/US" thing.

While it certainly isn't impossible, a war between the USA and China is relatively unlikely. Relations between the two countries aren't terribly bad and the United States is a much more important trade partner than China. And China is a huge and growing market for American goods and technology. I don't know if Iran would be important enough to go to war over, or if the Americans are going to persue a military solution to Iran anyway.

In terms of power projection (ie, ability to fight a war in Iran, say), the United States is grossly superior to China. There's no land border between Iran and China so you're left with what you can fly and travel over the seas. China might have a good airforce, but it's not as good as the American one. And there's no question navally. If it was a fight between the US and China in Iran, the US would prevail.

This is one of the reasons why China does not just attack Taiwan. That and the Taiwanese aren't exactly pushovers.

In the case of an attack on China itself, things get, well, interesting. I doubt the USA would be stupid enough to land troops in China itself (god, I hope not, anyway). That's when the population advantage starts kicking in. Most likely the USA would focus on crippling Chinese industry with airpower and perhaps blockading its ports while an expeditionary force cleared any Chinese presence out of Iran.

But that's just my two cents. People may disagree. I think a really good storyline would be needed to make a war right now between China and the United States realistic. If a war is to happen between them, I'd say it'd most likely be in about a generation, by which time, the Chinese economy is likely to attain virtual parity and probably have less of a technology gap.

yup a few decades from now. not now China has plenty of natural resource developement investments in Iran - hundreds of billions

But a war is not likely now between the US and China - Except if Russia and China throw thier resources together.

OOC:Which will never happen because the Russians and the Chinese have been at odds with each other ever since the 1970s.(They werer both communists, yes, but nationalism struck a thorn in their relations)

Relations between the two have been improving though. But the Chinese best interests right now are for peaceful economic development. If I were the US government, I'd act friendly, keep the trade going (helps the US too) but keep an eye on China. I feel there will be a confrontation at some point, although whether it will be a direct war or not is up to debate.

Same with the EU, incidentally.

OOC:Which will never happen because the Russians and the Chinese have been at odds with each other ever since the 1970s.(They werer both communists, yes, but nationalism struck a thorn in their relations)

Yup I agree with Byzantium - China and Russia have joint manuvers schedueled for this year, and economically as well as China has been given the option for large stakes in a russian state owned natural resource company. Just another indication of the improving relationship.

Id watch China and their relationships and posturing particularly between US presences' in S Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and in the near future SE Asia and India.

US and britain were on poor terms after the revolutionary war and war of independance. But now inseperable - China and Russia I would like to assert have less obstacles to over come than the US and Britain did at the begining of the last century.

China's military capabilities is only about 1/10 of the United States.......

Like Nordrreich said, a war in Iran has a 90 something percent chance of resulting in American victory.