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Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder MBT ~ Released for sale!

Intelligent Neighbors
26-12-2004, 14:45
Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder

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The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder on show.

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The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder posing for a picture

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The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder showing it's fording capabilities.

Note: All above tanks are NOT fitted with the final weapons and technology.

History:
After the failure of the IPHA Puma MBT to acheive decent export sucesses and it's unreliability in service, Venom defense, was contracted to produce a replacement MBT, that performed well as a partner to the admirable and unbeatable Revenant MkII. The tank needed to be as good as or better than the Revenant MkII.

Description:

-CACS/DEITY BATTLEFIELD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM

The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder is fitted with the CACS (Computer Aided Control System) designed by Pheonixius. Generation IV – Basic computer navigation of the vehicle, utilising navigational aids, weapon system control, group co-ordination. This means that the system communicates with other CACS systems, generation III or higher, so that navigational data, such as that from radar systems, can be exchanged for better situational awareness. Data can also be sent to Deity systems so that an entire battlefield can be viewed in one location from all the various devices used. 512-bit encryption is used to allow secure transmission between systems. Friend or Foe targeting allows the computer to carry out the warfare almost on its own, identifying enemy units and aiding allied units This is done by communicating with object, and if a friendly signal is detected then it is passed over – if an enemy signal, or no signal is detected then the object will be identified as a target to be destroyed by the system. There is a manual override to allow fire-lock and to do the targeting manually.

The Deity system is a battlefield wide system that takes all the data sent by the CACS and sorts and merges it. It then makes this information available to all systems that can use this data such as CACS, Warrior headsets, PHBVS and other such systems. This means that the tank can display locations of freindly units, as well as enemy units spotted by allies.

-ARMAMENT

The primary weapon of the tank is a 145mm electro-thermal-chemical (ETC) gun, identical to the one that is due to be installed on the Revenant MkIIU.

The projectile is loaded into the barrel, behind which there is a "propellant", which is a dot of light metal (solid or liquid). A powerful electromagnetic force is applied to the metal, which causes its atoms to "switch" directions. This happens so violently that the metal turns to plasma, and this expanding gas then drives the projectile forward. The autoloader on this tank can fire at 15 rounds per minute (sustained) and 20 rounds per minute (theoretical max).

The cannon can rotate 360-degrees and has an elevation of +35 degrees and -10 degrees. The recommended range of the cannon is 4.8 miles with a maximimum of 5.8 miles (not very effective).

The rounds for this gun include: APFSDS, SCRAMjet, HEAT, HE, HESH, 'Balls of fire' rounds (ball bearing and napalm), and ATGM's.

The commander’s weapon on top of the turret is a remotely controlled small gatling gun wiith 8 12.7mm barrels putting out 2000 or 3000 RPM, making it an excellent anti-infantry and anti-helicopter weapon.

The coaxial weapon is a 12.7mm machinegun, specially suited for anti-infantry work.

On top of the turret, there is a small 'pop-up' box, holding two Awe King SAM missiles. Upon detection of enemy aircraft the CACS system pops the box up and fires at the target. When both missiles are used, the box dropps down into the turret and is reloaded. There are only 4 missiles for this feature stored within the tank usually.

In addition, there is an 80mm mortar in the tank, this saves valuable ammunition in a firefight and gives a tob attack capability allowing the tank to fire over obstacles. This is coupled to the CACS system for automatic targetting.

-ARMOUR

The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder uses multiple armour types, including hardened steel, composite, Triada and ASH.

ASH: The first layer (hardened steel) prevents small calibre rounds and fragments penetrating. Then a layer of Hard-Foam slows many shells and will stop HEAT. Then a layer of non-flammable, dense liquid, helps stop Anti-Tank SABOT rounds penetrating. Then some 'secret composites' are used, followed by a layer of steel. This armour is light and very strong.

The ASH is mainly around the front of the hull (Glacis plate and so on) and on the turret. A thin layer is present on the turret roof, providing extra protection against top attack ATGM's.

Triada: This armour is composed of the following layers: the first is a self-healing layer, similar to that in the Triad Armour; the second layer is a thin layer of a titanium-aluminium alloy; the third is a layer of Depleted Uranium, increasing the protection of the tank; the fourth layer is a titanium-aluminium alloy, threaded with carbon-whiskers; the fith layer is composed of a carbon-silicon nano-mesh that will seriously slow down any bullets that penetrate the first four layers.

Optional AERA: With the AERA-II 3rd Gen. ERA system, the primary layer ignites outwards with the second layer following behind after a certain time-delay nearly doubling the effectiveness of the system. The primary layer ignites when a proximity sensor/network detects an object with projectile-like movement coming towards the tank, then using an onboard supercomputer it quickly calculates the variables of tank speed, tank heading, projectile speed, projectile heading, wind, weather and projectile altitude to determine where the projectile is to hit... Upon finishing the calculations (with plenty of seconds to spare before the round hits), the computer activates a 3-5 ERA block area (made of primary layers) to ignite at a set time with the second layer following after. An auxilary system, although not as effective, works to ignite the ERA blocks upon contact with a high-speed projectile...

Optional Kaktus ERA: Kaktus ERA can also be installed. This system uses the idea of plates of metal sliding sideways upon impact, increasing the amount of metal the HEAT warhead has to burn through. In addition, this rapid action has been known to split APFS rounds in two.

-COUNTERMEASURES

The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder has standard flare/chaff pods, in addition to 16 81mm grenade launchers on the turret.

There are several jamming systems to attempt to stop missiles, as well as linking the CACS system with the commanders gun to allow automatic firing on enemy infantry threats. The SAM pod and the 80mm mortar are also linked.

There is an extensive NBC protection system to help the crew and equipment to survive EMP pulses and radiation, as well as toxic chemicals.

-ENGINES

The Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder is equipped with an improved INCM V8I-2000 Powerbar diesel engine providing 1,900hp at 2,900rpm. The engine provides a road speed over 45mph and cross country speed up to 28mph.

The tank also has a Turbomeca TM-307B gas turbine auxiliary power unit to provide power when the engine is switched off.

-AUTOLOADER

The Pz-4 uses the perfected TL-M-50 auto-loader. This autoloader does not require the cannon to be brought down to a horizontal position but instead follows the cannon up and uses a variable drive assembly system to load the shell into the cannon's chamber at any elevation. This auto-loader only has a ready-rack of about six rounds which is then fed by a 'chain-link drive' to the ammunition storage compartment. Each time a shell is fired and one is loaded into the weapon, the armored partition (between the ammo storage compartment and interior of turret) opens, a hydraulic arm pushes the shell onto a 'plate' which then runs the shell to the auto-loader ready-rack. The auto-loader can also load a barrel-fired ATGM providing that a crew member put the weapon on the rack and designate its firing properties.

Statistics:

Crew: 3
Armament: 1- 145mm ETC Rifled Cannon, 1- 8 barrel gatling cannon, 1- 12.7mm MG, 1 80mm mortar, 1 SAM launcher and 16 grenade launchers.
Main Gun ROF: 16 per minute
Armour: ASH, Triada, Composite, AERA, Kaktus ERA (3000mm RHA protection against HEAT [inc. 800mm AERA/Kaktus ERA protection], 1200mm against APFS SABOT).
Dimensions:
length (gun forwards) 10.6 m
length (over hull) 7.8 m
width 3.6 m
height 3.2 m
ground clearance 500 mm
Ford Depth: 1.8m (2.6m with snorkel)
Weight: 68 tons
Speed: Max 42mph
Range: 380 miles

Cost
$16,000,000
Intelligent Neighbors
26-12-2004, 14:50
Side Note: This tank has performed so well in testing, that the government of Intelligent Neighbors has decided to intervene in the selling of this tank and as such all customers wishing to purchase this item will need to undergo a background check and digitally sign the following:

I, leader of _______ agree to only use this product against enemies of my nation that are not a member of the RWC or a member of The Kingdom of the Midlands, even in self defense. If the product is used in this way I must accept all consequences, including the nuclear destruction of my capital city, without retaliation.

Signed _______

Thanks for your understanding.
Praetonia
26-12-2004, 14:53
"6500mm RHA protection"

Horribly, horribly gomodded.
Intelligent Neighbors
26-12-2004, 16:46
No, the protection is against HEAT, so it is not godmodded. Plus, I have many new armour types used, hence the cost.
Lachenburg
26-12-2004, 17:39
The Confederacy of Lachenburg is quite interested in this new piece of technolgy and wishes to purchase 500 Pz-4 Jäger-Mörder MBTs for 6 Billion USD.

I, leader of The Confederacy of Lachenburg agree to only use this product against enemies of my nation that are not a member of the RWC or a member of The Kingdom of the Midlands, even in self defense. If the product is used in this way I must accept all consequences, including the nuclear destruction of my capital city, without retaliation.

Signed,

Conrad von Eisengruf
Grand Canton of Lachenburg

Alfred Mannerhiem
Direktor of Defense

Once the order has been confirmed, we will wire the funds to your countries banking system.

Alfred Mannerhiem
Direktor of Defense
Confederacy of Lachenburg
Intelligent Neighbors
28-12-2004, 01:05
Upon the searching of records purtaining to The Confederacy of Lachenburg, it has been decided to clear this sale of this product to the above nation, and all further investments in Venom defense are welcomed greatly.

Confirmed.
North Germania
29-12-2004, 00:37
My tanks put yours to shame.

- N.G.
Chellis
29-12-2004, 01:13
OOC: ROF, Armour are totally unrealistic. Gets the official Chellian godmode stamp.
Scandavian States
29-12-2004, 01:47
105 ton Heavy Battle tank doesn't have protection this good, not even against HEAT. And before you make any quips about your armour being superior, my armour consists or a Copper-Carbide honeycomb filled with ablating ceramics sandwiched between layers of Ti2OsMo anti-KE armour, It'll probably do the job a lot better than anything you can claim. That is, if it isn't past 2020.

I'm almost tempted to ask just what you came up with for penetration on your main gun, but that's like wondering what Hell's like. You don't touch either with a barge pole.]
Intelligent Neighbors
30-12-2004, 22:50
Don't like it? Dont post here. This tank is in line technology wise with many other designers (Doomingsland, AfricaZcorps, Soviet Bloc, Pheonixius) and incorporates their technology (under license). So unless you have a problem with all these nations, I suggest you go away and leave this thread alone, your opinions were not asked for so do not give them here. TG me or something.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
31-12-2004, 00:09
OOC: I understand you're upset, but do consider that individuals get more respect when they make attempts to improve or correct such flaws in their designs. Failure to do so sticks you with a tank reserved for n00bs and ignored by many respected players, so it's in your best interest to listen and consider, though admittedly, they should remember that it's much better to give an idea of what it should be rather than just saying godmod.


With that in mind, I'll note that it would also be within your best interests to avoid putting so much weaponry onto such a tank. This thing would barely, if at all, be able to fit and power such a large ETC gun, and with the already seriously limited space in tanks such as this, it's going to get worse.

My advice would be to either make the unit a western style heavy tank (+15-20 tons - a weight more in tune with the dimensions provided), keeping most of the extras, or to lose both the minigun and mortar and drop the speed by at least 10-15% (not enough weight or space for a big engine). Regardless, the SAM launcher should be a simpler system firing shoulder-fired SAMs from a pair of trainable twin launchers housed outside the turret. The pop-up system is overly complicated and a complete waste of interior space no matter how you look at it.


Regarding armor protection, the highest estimates I've seen for current vehicles is <2000mm of VS HEAT, and <1000mm VS APFSDS. If you're current tech, protection shouldn't be that much higher than that. Current ERA provides protection equivalent to somewhere around an additional 500-700mm of RHA, but tanks with composite armor usually don't bother, as that provides sufficient protection on its own.
In the past, passive armor protection for the same weight has about doubled every 30 years or so, with the only real jumps being initial designs for protection against HEAT. Extrapolating from there, this tank would have to be in the 2050 timeframe at least to have that much armor protection, even against HEAT, and even then, the tank would have to be at least 20 tons heavier.
Scandavian States
31-12-2004, 00:59
[Well, theoretically speaking you can go a bit higher than that, but it requires some creative (yet still realistic) use of material technology. That's hard and frankly it's often more trouble than it's worth to work on that kind of thing.

As for the nations that you've liscenced this equipment from, I'd say you've been thoroughly taken in by snake oil merchants. I don't know what Soviet Bloc is like, but the other three nations aren't noted for the realism of the equipment they make. On their own, their techonology is a minor annoyance that can drug under by merit of superior numbers and training, but put it together and it becomes more than that.

My honest advice would be to do what every reputable weapons creator does on NS. Research your ass off and then create your own equipment from scratch, don't rely on others to know what they're talking about or for the equipment to be realistic.]
Intelligent Neighbors
31-12-2004, 11:55
Thanks to CSJ, you always appear when I need guidance! You are right, I don't mind people constructively critisizing my designs, but I dislike it when they call it a godmod without explaining. I have edited the stats to reflect your wise opinion:

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Statistics:

Crew: 3
...
Armour: ASH, Triada, Composite, AERA, Kaktus ERA (3000mm RHA protection against HEAT [inc. 800mm AERA/Kaktus ERA protection], 1200mm against APFS SABOT).
...
Weight: 68 tons
Speed: Max 42mph
Range: 380 miles

Cost
$16,000,000
~~~~

Is this better?
Ronius Vigilantes
31-12-2004, 12:46
Wait... How does the protection against heat work... that's funky. Seems like an awesome tank, but it's a little too awesome. If the heat protection is that good, the inside would overheat very quickly.
Warta Endor
31-12-2004, 12:58
I, leader of Warta Endor agree to only use this product against enemies of my nation that are not a member of the RWC or a member of The Kingdom of the Midlands, even in self defense. If the product is used in this way I must accept all consequences, including the nuclear destruction of my capital city, without retaliation.

Signed Prime Minister Michaelovski

The PRWE wants to place the following order

-100 PZ-4 Jäger-Mörder MBT worth 1.6 billion
Scandavian States
31-12-2004, 18:14
Wait... How does the protection against heat work... that's funky. Seems like an awesome tank, but it's a little too awesome. If the heat protection is that good, the inside would overheat very quickly.

[*jaw drops* Protection against High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds has nothing to do with internal heat. HEAT and heat are two entirely different things.]
Kahta
31-12-2004, 18:32
OOC: Hardened steel makes it brittle, it would be better to use something with small air bubbles inside, because they would help absorb the impact of any weaponry...
Intelligent Neighbors
31-12-2004, 21:13
Hardened steel in this sense means a thin layer of hard steel, to slow down projectiles, followed by a soft layer to clow fragments. Steel on tanks is always used thus, as because it is hard, then it is harder to break.

As for absorbing the impact, that's what the rest of the armour does.
Warta Endor
01-01-2005, 11:24
is my order confirmed???
Intelligent Neighbors
02-01-2005, 19:37
yes, sorry