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Plans to create a super heavy transport, to replace and supplement blended wing body aircraft which are used by TPM, have been annouced today.

The yet unnamed YC-16's Wingspan will be ~300ft, its length ~250 feet
and it it will cary ~990,000 pounds of cargo or ~1,200 passengers a
range ~2,000 miles

Donations will be accepted and production rights or a discount may be considered when the design is finished.

ooc: this will be a custom/unique aircraft that I am making, based on concept of the real life Molniya-1000 Heracles, which is only on the drawing boards of the russian aircraft company Molniya.

The International Fleet contribute 1.8 bln towards the devlopement of this vehicle if we may aquire a complete history of the research and developement in the project and finally production rights upon completion - we are prepared to contribute more if need be.

The amount of funds offered are sufficient and graciously accepted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/c-16.gif

OOC: Purely out of interest, do you RP a nation or a storefront?

OOC: I rp a modern tech nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_phoenix_milita), a post moden/semi future nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_phoenix_militia) and a multi-national company (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=phoenix_dynamix).
of course I have about 12 other active nations but I wont get into all of those ;)

IC: Vast principles will send $1.3 Billion, we hope these funds will be more than substancial for work carried out on this aircraft.
for this money to be possibly sent to your nation we must first be given confirmation that we shall Production rights to this aircraft, for use by VP, but with a chance that the aircraft produced may be leased/sold(once we have used them, not as exports). We would like to have information upon the development of this program as, and when, it happens.

That is all, of course, only if you accept our offer, which we hope you will.

OOC: Would it matter if the aircraft(if i produce these) to be used in an alliance by its members, or in an organisations military? If so that would be GREAT, and also, i would send more money if needed. have fun with that designing!

We accept your offer, and remind you that if you would want to re-distrubute these aircraft.. you would have to pay extra ;)

OOC: I rp a modern tech nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_phoenix_milita), a post moden/semi future nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_phoenix_militia) and a multi-national company (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=phoenix_dynamix).
of course I have about 12 other active nations but I wont get into all of those ;)
So why do you never make any IC posts other than designing stuff? I searched for threads made by you, of which there were at least 100 between now and October, and 5 at most have been about your nation, the rest were designs.

1,200 people in a plane? Are you mad? Even the A380 only holds a few hundred.

The Non Aligned States Military Department is willing to donate $4 billion towards the development of this heavy transport. In exchange, we request that you allow us to purchase the design rights or provide us with a discount once it is complete. It will complement our heavy armor forces quite well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/c-16.gif
I am sorry, But I need to disagree with that design. That aircraft is as suited to carry large ammounts of cargo as an MD-80 is. If you are looking for a STOL heavy lift cargo aircraft, you will need a large single body (with possible wing mounted pods for smaller cargos). Also, you will need large surface area wings, and Turboprop engines. That many jets will do nothing but add extra weight, and over stress the airframe. Your design has been made to look good and futureistic, but I have no clue how you plan on fitting a tank, or any military equipment, into that thing.
If I were to design a heavy lift transport, it would probably consist of a single main fusalage (like that of an A380, but with a removable upper deck floor), with large surface area wings (with Winglets). Also, for a powerplant, i would go with 4 (possibly 6) high bypass turbofans, and RATO pods to assist in takeoff. That combination would provide for STOL flight, along with an efficient cruise. Too many engines, and multiple outboard pods would just add drag, weight, and increase fuel burn. When designing aircraft, you really need to keep it simple.

So why do you never make any IC posts other than designing stuff? I searched for threads made by you, of which there were at least 100 between now and October, and 5 at most have been about your nation, the rest were designs.
I like to design things :D I probably wouldn't still be playing if I couldnt design :)
bout 2/3 of all the good old rps and wars i had were cut off, trimmed and lost on the old server, plus i had been resurected so :(

here are some RPish threads or ones where i didnt really design or sell anyhthing and i posted in this year...blah i dunno if you are bored one day have a look at a few
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374843
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355956
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377154
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374647
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366871
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375984
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383225
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380864&highlight=Phoenix
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376519
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379090
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380122
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380079
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348708
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376926
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380477
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380473
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380924
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377413
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381685
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371814
There are more... but ill spare you the galf a dozen or so 1 post threads i made as rps which never went anywhere or got responded too....

Non Aligned States we thank you for your donation.


I am sorry....
This is based on the concept of the real life Molniya-1000 Heracles, introduced at the 2003 Paris Airshow IIRC

I like to design things :D I probably wouldn't still be playing if I couldnt design :)
bout 2/3 of all the good old rps and wars i had were cut off, trimmed and lost on the old server, plus i had been resurected so :(

here are some RPish threads or ones where i didnt really design or sell anyhthing and i posted in this year...blah i dunno if you are bored one day have a look at a few
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374843
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355956
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377154
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374647
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366871
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375984
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383225
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380864&highlight=Phoenix
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376519
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379090
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380122
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380079
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348708
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376926
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380477
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380473
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380924
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377413
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381685
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371814
There are more... but ill spare you the galf a dozen or so 1 post threads i made as rps which never went anywhere or got responded too....
lol four of them were deisngs for sutff and about half were other peoples' threads you'd just posted once on, and another quater were about trades of non-vehicles. And some of them were frivolous stuff like Santa killed and stuff. No actual RPs and barely any of those went over 3 pages on 15ppp

lol four of them were deisngs for sutff and about half were other peoples' threads you'd just posted once on, and another quater were about trades of non-vehicles. And some of them were frivolous stuff like Santa killed and stuff. No actual RPs and barely any of those went over 3 pages on 15ppp
obviously you didn't look through them all, bite me I play my way you play yours I have fun... who cares, there are at least 3 solid multi-page rps in there if you bother to look....
All of nationstates is "frivolous stuff"..


please stop getting off topic this is a thread about the C-16

Well Im actually RPing a civil war and new cold war. Perhaps not so frivolous, especially compared with "Sante Killed - French Implicated". My last post on the matter.

This is based on the concept of the real life Molniya-1000 Heracles, introduced at the 2003 Paris Airshow IIRC

While it may be based on a real design, all of the changes you have made have not helped at all, they have reduced its aerodynamic potential, and have just added extra weight.
The original aircraft was just a AN-225 Myra with external cargo pods. What you have designed is really a waste of space. The 2 extra jet engines would only cost you mialage, because they would just be burning extra fuel.
The Extended nose would throw off your center of balance, making you need more weight in the back, and making more weight overall.

Also, the whole dual cockpit thing, would just put its accident rate up by about 100%. Two sets of pilots trying to fly the same plane is not a good thing at all.

I am looking at a picture of a Molniya-1000 Heracles concept model right now
It has 2 fuselages, and in the center is a large cargo pod
It has only 6 very large engines.
IMO all I have made is a better looking heracles with extra engines and a sharper center nose


The Extended nose would throw off your center of balance, making you need more weight in the back, and making more weight overall.
well thats where most of the cargo is, in the rear of the center cargo pod, so it works out doesn't it...

you could actually keep the model the same if you want i mean stress isnt a big factor if you use better materials to construct it, since your slightly a modern tech nation im going to assume that you have stronger metals than the ones now, in which case you could implement those into the frame of the plane. as long as give the plane better engine more powerful i mean so it could actually lift the plane off the ground.

but i do have a problem with the two "bridges" since if this thing is huge thats what their gonna be. It would be more logical to keep the two "bridges" together, communications only go so far over a coms system. and when and if power goes out youll have no way to keep the ship in control. so you should think about keeping the briges together for function as well the ride itll give ya less friction in the air taking off alot of the pressure on the engine and the frame but keep the double wings that would be good for lift

The two "bridges" as you call them, or cock-pits as I call them are duplicates and both of them only need to be occupied while taxi-ing around the runway. During flight only one set of controls is used to pilot the aircraft.

IC: Vast Principles would like to send another $100million to aid further in this design.

Could we be given a report on how this design is coming along please?

OOC: If you look for a civil war RP or the such then im sure you could find a war that will go on for 16 or more pages, my own Civil war in Hotdogs2 has currently got 6pages in it, and i had 2pages on the events leading to the message to the world of the genocide in H2.

Well I am a more efficient roleplayer then :P

ic:
Sorry but we do not need more donations as the design is about to be released

OOC: link to release thread TPM?

ooc: Sorry, havent made one yet, was working on a minor re-design of the 3D model, expect it by this time tomorow.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7964039#post7964039