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It was a calm day that the Praetonian fleet sailed to war. The sun hung in the cloudless sky above the North Sea, creating quite beautiful reflections as light hit the phaser radar domes of the Praetonian warships. The third Escort Carrier Group was all that was assigned to this mission, but it was still a fearsome force. It consisted of a light carrier, similar to an Invicible Class of British design, but with modern systems and an advanced anti-ship and anti-air armament. Field Marshal Quellius Pila sat aboard the bridge of such a ship at the head of the Praetonain fleet.

"Good news, Field Marshal," said the Admiral in general command of the fleet, walking into the room. Pila turned and saw that the Admiral was smiling, "my men say that we are nearing the target."

"Excellent, Admiral. Any sign of the Belgian navy?"

"Not as yet... we believe they are currently in port. Still, they will not be much of a threat. Only a few frigates and mine sweepers I believe."

"Of course you are right, Admiral. We will sweep them aside and then my Divison will sweep into Belgium and capture the nation!" He smiled, confident at his own success.

"Brilliant. I will see you in Brussels, Field Marshal."

The fleet continued to plow through the water for a few more miles, before stopping within bombardment range. The plan was to launch an aerial attack at the same time as a land bombardment and landing boats. Perfect blitzgreig. The Belgian forces wouldn't know what had happened until the Praetonian forces were well in land and it was too late to react. That was the theory, anyway.

"All units, this is the Admiral speeking. You have all received your orders. You know what you have to do. So for god's sake get on with it and this war will be done before you know it."

With this, rather informal, command to begin the campaign in Belgium, the 6" guns aboard the destroyers and frigates opened up on the beaches, although they did not expect any defences would slow them down. Nor, however, did they expect to hit any innocent tourists, as they had picked dawn in the middle of winter to attack.

The first shells rained down on the two costal towns to be hit, showering shrapnel and debris everywhere. A few people were hurt, and even fewer were caught in the explosions and killed, but few were in the initial firing lines, and the civilians would quickly vacate the town if they had any sense.

Meanwhile, planes began to take off from the carrier, until 30 minutes later all 25 aircraft were up. They shot towards the shore at mach 1.8, scouting for nearby targets of oppurtunity. Bridges, railway lines and government buildings were also fair game. As the missiles started to fly, the first few boats broke away from the fleet. They were large, and were unlikely to be recovered, and they carried few troops, but in all an entire battalion headed for each town supported by 10 of their tanks. There had been no warning, and the Belgians were unlikely to stop the Praetonians making a beach head. What will happen later on remains to be seen.

OOC: Does any one want to play Belgium for this RP?

OOC: Prae, you disappoint me...I thought you above being such a callous, landgrabbing sort.

OOC: I will play terrorist type attacks on your men later on if allowed....

OOC: Prae, you disappoint me...I thought you above being such a callous, landgrabbing sort.
OOC: lol. Maybe you're right, maybe I should me ashamed, but I am meant to be an Imperium and I havent fought for any of my land yet! Anyway, this is just a stepping stone. Once I have a foothold in Europe I can battle actual players who might stand a chance at winning. Still, I'll give Belgium some moments of glory. That is, if no one plays it for the RP.

The eternal-dragons: As Belgium? Sure. Just dont make them too extravogant. Im not going to be that harsh really.

OOC: As controller of France and Germany, and being that I am at war, be aware of possible enemy ships entering your area and such.

OOC: As controller of France and Germany, and being that I am at war, be aware of possible enemy ships entering your area and such.
OOC: Ok. Well Im allied to both participants, so I doubt they'd interfere. Unless you're going to backstab me ;)

OOC: Nah it will be just lots of small attacks and a few big ones....You will eventually capture the main ringleaders and then the ressistance will weaken and then pretty much dissolve..I will rp it after you take control of much of the country..

OOC: Ok. Well Im allied to both participants, so I doubt they'd interfere. Unless you're going to backstab me ;)

No, I'm saying as if his allies or something came in....I won't backstab you until you have something I want LOL :p

Official Statement from the People's Communist Party of Brazil

"We are absolutely outraged by such an event. We are very much saddened by the constant imperialism and outright landgrabbing by violences across the globe. We are done with rhetoric. This is beyond reason, and the Belgian people deserve protection from this madness.

Years ago, there was a man, a man named Adolf Hitler. He lead a reactionary nation to conquer almost the entirety of Europe. No doubt the nation of Praetonia is following the footsteps of these imperialists. We are asserting firmly for the Praetonian government to stop now, before the world turns on you, who is violating international conduct and law.

This is an ultimatum. If you do not unconditionally secede all agreesors and troops from the Belgian land, and cease this imperialist landgrab with the entire of your military, the FPCB will be forced to take economic sanctions and military actions towards your state.

We will not be the only ones."

Signed
O Presidente Juan Osvaldo Hernadez
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Official Statement, Imperial Government

The Democratic Imperium is a democratic state and has a suberb human rights record. The Belgian people will be no less free that they were under home rule. They will be allowed to elect a number of MPs proportional to their size to sit in the Praetonian Imperial Parliament, and so they will share in our democracy. As Praetonian citizens they will enjoy rights, privelages and benefits that they would not have had as Belgian citizens, and what's more, a strong and benign power will be there to protect them. It is only a matter of time before someone annexes poor Belgium, and I seriously doubt that they will be better or even equal to us in the level of freedoms that they give to the conquered Belgians.

In summary, the Democratic Imperium is not a force to be feared as an evil fascist Imperialist, however if you continue to threaten us in this was then we will be a force to fear, as will the allies who will stand shoulder to shoulder with our forces as we defend ourselves from Brazillian agression. Do not escalate this into something that will cost large numbers of lives, over something that will not.

Official Statement, Imperial Government
"That is a lie. It is a lie that has been retold and retold across the centuries. We will not believe such a lie.

You do not speak for the Belgians. You do not speak for the noble nationmen, the comrades at arms who will die for their sovereignty,their nation, their pride. You do not speak for their families, who have lived their own lives, in their own nation. What of the land that is torn by the bombs you fire, the missles you launch, the bullets you fire, the blood you spill? What of all the lives lost, innocent because they only seek to defend their nation, or not even that, caught in the crossfire?

Tell me, will Belgium be better with all these lives whocould have done so much? In principle with democracy, is forcing administration upon these people making them free? You cannot force people to be free, they must chose to be free!

Your invasion will only harm Belgium, you will coerce them to accept your culture, your ideals, your morals. We cannot accept this, as it is the role of the people to chose their own path. If they wish to make their nation better, they will fight for it. This is not your land.

And we would have defended Belgium against any sort of illegal annexation or invasion, whether or not it was you. We will defend the free nations of the world.

This is the simple case of you seeking another piece of economy to exploit, more resources. Yet this goes against the core principles of democracy. Your rhetoric is hypocritical, and lies.

We hold our ultimatum, and we demand you stop this imperialist act. What you do will only harm the Belgian people, and will work against democracy in the world. Don't you see, by doing this, you are setting a precedent, other nations, even undemocratic ones, will begin to follow your footsteps, and we will be on the path to imperialism everywhere, where nations conquer others for their own interests.

We must stop this, and we are asking you to be sensible and do so as well."

Signed
O Presidente Juan Osvaldo Hernadez
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EDIT: Typos to the ears, man.

After the colonists dispatched towards Belgium in hopes of founding a new state were turned away by the navy of the Imperium, the Government-in-exile of the Republic of Taiwanese Islands entered nearby Netherlands and observes the developments with great concern.

Foreign Minister Mike Eisenvelt soon issued the following statement through an interview with the local newspaper Quantum Daily:

"Ultimately, the fate of Belgium should be determined by its residents. They should be given the choices of independence or integration into the Imperium. Surely any nation enjoying substantial political freedoms would be supportive of self-determination by the people of Belgium."

Critics are quick to point out that the forces of the Taiwanese Islands were intent on seizing Belgium as their new homeland. Government officials refused to make further comments.

====Abandoned building in Belgium Capital========

In the darkly dimmed room, several people converged around a rounded wooden table, the most noticeable face being that of Lance Drago. The man that the Belgium police had long been tracking was indeed still alive, despite reports saying he was dead in a shootout.

Also located along the table were various aides of Lance, the most notorious being Han "The little Dragon" ku-hung, the "Little Dragon" nickname being given for his various array of crimes despite him not being No1 target.

So after a few minutes of greeting and scanning of various faces, the silence was broken by the dark-toned voice of none other then the silver haired warrior, Lance.

"People as you all know it seems the wimpish government will soon fall to the invaders..." He paused for a minute whilst people nodded in acknowledgement.

"But....You also know that we have been brought hear for a reason.....The main reason being to wreak all European economies for are God..............And with this new opportunity presented before us...Well what easier way to wage war and pick up recruits...."

A large silence filled the room as men solemnly nodded; this indeed marked the beginning of a war of a different nature, the one of propaganda.

Official Statement, Imperial Government

We did not sign any treaty of "International Law". No nation has. International Law does not exist, and if you go through with this foolhardy agression then you will be considered in the wrong by the international community. We are not intimidated by you.

As for Taiwanese Islands, you have very little right to say what you did, as it was only our prior arrival that prevent you from annexing Belgium. Furthermore, if Brazil is to declare war upon the Imperium for this act, then we demand that you also decalre war on Phoenixius, A Few Rich People, Witzgall, Blacktower, Euroslavia and many more who have taken territory.

Official Statement, Imperial Government
"We were not talking about international law. We were talking about international conduct. What you are doing is setting a precedent. What if a nation decided you would be better off as part of them? I don't think you would suffer an invasion.

You never answered anything I said about the Belgian people. This shows you obviously are not in the interests of the Belgian people. You are ignorant of the lives lost, all this that you are doing is getting more land to exploit. This is morally wrong, against everything that democracy stands for. We are seriously disappointed a nation such as you would do this.

We are taking your response as a no to the ultimatum.

Thus, the FPCB will be enacting sanctions on the nation of Praetonia. The worker's militias in the nation of FPCB are being mobilized, and if the invasion persists, war will be made.

You do not kill people to make their lives better. Remember that. You know we are in the right, and that is why you will lose."

Signed
O Presidente Juan Osvaldo Hernadez
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The landing ships hit the beaches in Belgium just as the artillery bombardment stopped. Key bridges and railway links had been bombed before the Belgian armed forces knew what happened, and now the landing zones were completely cut off from Belgium reinforcements. For a while at least... The first companies of the second and eight Marine Battalions ran out of the landing craft to secure the key streets and, later, the small harbour which would be used to land further troops and supplies.

"Sir, costal street is secure," said a Lieutenant to his Captain, "our men are encroaching upon the harbour. We have not yet encountered any resistance."

"Excellent, Mr Rogitivius, we have caught them completely by suprise. I do not think it will be this easy later..." replied the Captain as a flight of planes from the Belgian airforce screamed overhead, "DOWN!" He yelled to his troops, "set up the Flames!"

Two men carrying between them the launcher and reloads for a flame anti-air missile system began frantically assembling their launcher, but the planes were heading out sea where the fleet was waiting for them."

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"Admiral! Contacts straight ahead. Belgian airforce," the Admiral nodded in confirmation. He needed give no orders. He needn't micromanage his ships which were crewed by perfectly able men. He looked out of the window to his left to see eight Javelin [Praetonian not RL] missiles shoot from the VLS launcher at the bow of a frigate, "dont stand a bloody chance," he muttered to himself.

Meanwhile, high above the fleet the four aircraft assigned to the fleet CAP moved to intercept. They were equipped with long range AA missiles, but they had never been tested in combat and beyond the horizon kills were very hard to achieve, so they switched to short range AAMs and moved in. The ten Belgian fighters obviously saw them, because they went in low against the sea and released Exocet anti-ship missiles.

At once CIWS systems sounded aboard every ship, and a few rockets and Discus anti-missile missiles shot forth to engage the computer controlled foes.

"Incoming missiles, sir!" shouted an Ensign, as the one missile that wasnt shot down slammed into the side of the [i]Pilia with an almighty bang. The bridge shook and several pieces of metal fell from the ceiling.

"Damage report," said the Admiral, calmly.

"A single hit to the aft of the ship. Armour absorbed most of the blast, but the crew are currently fighting small fires."

"Thank god they're using cheap junk," muttered the Admiral. Both Exocet and Harpoon missiles had been manufactured for economy usage against poorly armoured ships, and so it was no wonder that they had done little to the brand new Praetonian carrier designed for a different military world altogether.

Up in the air, three of the Belgian fighters had already been downed by Praetonian SAMs, and the four planes of the Imperial Naval Flying Corps were moving in for the kill. Obviously, the Belgians saw no advantage in staying to fight on enemy turf, and turned and fled, dodging Praetonian missiles. All but two planes were downed by the Praetonian fighters, and a further plane destroyed by the troops on the shore.

"Excellent work, everyone," said the Admiral over the fleet tannoy, "Keep it up, and there will be an Aquila flying over Brussels in a week!"

The Imperium has issued no further statement regarding Communist Brazil.

OOC: I will post terrorist actions tm....Most likely when you capture most of the country..

Praetonian troops approached the harbour in the first town. The knew that there were Belgian police in there with automatic weapons, and they had barricaded themselves inside one of the buildings.

"If you surrender now you will not be harmed. Als u zich nu overgeeft zult u niet berokkend worden." The line was repeated in Dutch over the megaphone. There was no reply.

"Ok, the SMAT team will take a shot at it, then Alpha Platoon will storm the building, ok?" said the Leiutenant, looking to his men behind. They were all inside a house across the stree from the building in which the Belgian police were barricaded, "and the rest of you give covering fire from the windows."

"Yes, sir" came the univeral whispered reply. Troops tip-toed upstairs to find more firing spots, and within a few minutes everything was ready. The SMAT team positioned their missile launcher on a window-sill, but just as they were about to fire the Belgian police saw them.

"Bloody hell! COVERING FIRE!" Shouted the Lieutenant as 7.62mm rounds sprayed into the house, hitting one of the SMAT operators. The officer himself took over and fired the missile straight into the booth, just as men around the rest of the house begun to pour fire in through the building's windows. There was silence for a second, as time seemed to slow. Then, the warhead exploded outwards from within the building, shattering glass and blowing a large hole in the low roof and thin wall of the harbour building, "Assault team go!" Shouted the Lieutenant, but they were already through the door.

Running across the road, it wasn't until they had almost reached the house that Praetonian fire stopped and, the concoused Belgians recovering, Belgian fire began. Two, out of the twenty, Praetonians were hit, and fell to the ground screaming. Another was clipped by a bullet and also fell, but he kept crawling onwards, desperate to find cover rather than continue the fight. The Praetonians didnt stop to return fire, for they had fixed their fearsome 12" sword bayonets, and they simply plowed into the beleaguered Belgians with their bayonets, although all but one of the men surrendered before the frenzied soldiers reached them.

A similar thing happened in the other town, and very soon the rest of the Praetonian Division of 20,000 men would be offloaded and continue to press on into the Belgian countryside.

Although an unexpected response from the Imperium has silenced Republic of Taiwanese Islands officials for quite some time, with an agressive expansion programme of his armed forces underway, Secretary of Defense Alex Chan came out of hiding to face the press.

"We must insist that free referendums be held for the Belgium people...... I believe it shall be the policy of this government to support these people from attempted armed subjugation from outside force."

When asked about Taiwanese Island intentions as its forces closed in on Belgium previously, Chan replied:

"Naturally, it is in our nature to help those in need. Since the situation looked so perilous, we must support whatever decisions the Belgium people make. Our Air Force is now on alert and can deliver devastating blows to any forces in the area."

As Chan hurried off the stage, reporters noted the fact that he was avoiding their questions.

To: Taiwanese Islands
From: Unnamed sources inside the Imperial Government

Your forces will stand down immediately or we will subjugate your nation just as we did Belgium.

OOC: You cant prove that I sent that TG, and no, Im not usually that agressive, but I want to disperse some of these anti-Imperialists before they form some kind of coalition. Also, where are your forces? Are they in the Netherlands? Because France, Germany and Luxembourg are already occupied by NS nations.

@Brazil: Do you have AIM or MSN? Because it would help in co-ordinating any RP we do... also looking at your post on your infantry I seriously down that you have much if any power projection capability.

@Brazil: Do you have AIM or MSN? Because it would help in co-ordinating any RP we do... also looking at your post on your infantry I seriously down that you have much if any power projection capability.
[OOC: Currently I am working out the statistics in my military, should be finished in a few days. What you say in the infantry thread was the bulk of the land forces, that of the Worker's Militias. They are used for guerilla warfare, territorial security, and peacekeeping. However, we have four other contigents in the military forces of the FPCB. The Free Brazilian Naval Forces, the Federal Guard, the Air Forces of Free Brazil, and the Forças Revolucionárias (the special forces.) If the FPCB decides to operate in Beligum, it won't just be the Worker's Militias. The Federal Guard and the FBNF will be the main spearhead, with support in guerilla tactics by the Worker's Militias and the by the AFFB. Also, the Worker's Militias is not an official part of the FPCB government, the Federal Guard, FBNF, and are the only military contingents controlled by the government. The Worker's Militias and Forças Revolucionárias are for purpose of

a) territorial security
b) guerilla warfare
c) protecting the Brazilian people from the government should the need arise

Even so, the Worker's Militias do have a unique form of power projection, because they can fully integrate themselves with foreign guerilla gorups. During a military conflict, the FPCB fights a three level war: a federal, guerilla, and meme war. The government performs the first form of warfare while the Worker's Militia and Forças Revolucionárias perform the second with great efficiency. The Worker's Militias also in a unique form of peackeeping leave Brazilian influence in the nation they operate with the propoganda tactics and seeds of revolution they sow.

You can contact me at MSN (where I am most online) at casper1system@hotmail.com and at AIM at ShepherdOfDeceit.]

On a side note,

OOC: You cant prove that I sent that TG, and no, Im not usually that agressive, but I want to disperse some of these anti-Imperialists before they form some kind of coalition. Also, where are your forces? Are they in the Netherlands? Because France, Germany and Luxembourg are already occupied by NS nations.

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On a side note,



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OOC: One or two I can just brush aside, but more and I have to call in allies and it all gets very messy.

*sigh*

IC: The two Belgian coastal towns of Knokke and Oostende were busy that night, and all through next morning. By then, however, a total of 20,000 Imperial Guardsmen, 3,000 vehicles and all of their crew had been unloaded, along with a host of logisitical personel charged with keeping the men supplied. It was their intention to live off the land until they could reach an airport from where supplies could be airlifted in, but for now they lived off rations stored in the ships. This could last a long time, but unloading supplies from ships was labour-intensive and once the Imperial Expeditionary Force got more than ten or twenty miles inland it would be very difficult to get enough food to them. For now at least the Praetonians camped in the towns. A line of piquets stretched between the towns, including infantry with anti-air and anti-tank weapons, as well as dug-in tanks and trenches.

The Belgians, however, were not sitting around and waiting. They were advancing upon the Praetonian position, hoping to drive them back into the sea. Their plan was to attack the centre of the Praetonian line, where reinforcements would be furthest and where, if broken, the two parts of the Expeditionary force would fall back on their seperate ports and become isolated. From there they would be destroyed as they attempted to flee back to their ships. Or so was the plan. Everything rested on their Blitzkreig tank style armoured attack. It would break through, or it would be destroyed. And if it was destroyed, the Praetonians would rule the countryside and they would be force back on Brussels.

It was a quiet sunny morning, although a little cold, on the third day of the Praetonian invasion that the Belgian tanks began to approach the line. The Praetonian staff officers were still asleep, and air reconnosaince had slackened as the workload was handed over to satellites. This was an important day for Praetonian military doctrine, which stood with untested reliance on space. Satellites would see all, and and they would guide artillery perfectly onto their targets. This would surely be a day for the Praetonian military history books.

The Belgians advanced in force. One hundred Leclerc MBTs in a long line. Following behind were APCs, which would not take part in the battle, carrying most of the Belgian army, some 45,000 men. The line stretched for a kilometer, concentrated on the very centre of the Praetonian line. In 4' trenches the Praetonian infantry awoke just minutes before the attack.

"Stand to!" Shouted their officers and the Praetonian troops all along the line heaved up their rifles, which looked like a cross between the SA-80 and the OICW and pointed them out into no-man's land. They exposed much of their upper bodies, but the trenches gave them a lot of protection for what they were.

An officer in one part of the line took out his binoculars and looked out above the trenches. The squinted for a second, thinking he saw some moving shapes on the horizon and then adjusted the focus. Suddenly, he saw them. The Belgian line of attack was not big enough to fill from horizon to horizon, but it was damned scary if you had just a few feet of earth for protection.

"Sergeant! Get on to HQ. Tell them to expect an attack," he said, trying to remain calm.

"Sir?"

"For God's sake just do it, man!" He snapped.

"Yes sir!" Replied the Sargeant, alarmed, and he hurried off for the Company radio.

The young officer then turned to address his soldiers "Men, you are about to be attacked. I cannot tell you what it is like to do such a thing, for I, like you, have not experienced it. What I can tell you is that you should put your faith in your weapons, your training, and High Command. We have spent a long time preparing for this, our first war as an Imperium. You have the honour of holding the line in the first ever Imperial war. Do not fail the people of Praetonia, for all their eyes are upon you."

The speech was jumbled, and if given on a parade ground it would have been sneared at, but it was said from the heart, and the men were suddenly afraid, despite their training. Soon the enemy would hit them, and they would not run, for they were disciplined, but in these minutes of waiting they needed reassurance, and it was given to them.

"Fix bayonets!" He barked in his usual manner. The men uniformly held their rifles at 45 degrees, took out their bayonets with much twirling, and attached them to the end of their rifles. The regularity and precision also improved morale. It was something they had all done before a thousand times, and that reassured them.

"Present!" The men took up their rifles again, and pointed them over the lip of the trench, pressing their faces against the top of the barrels to look down the optical sights. Each man had a Belgian infatrymen marked out, but they did not fire for they Belgians were not yet in effective range. Meanwhile, the specialist teams had also followed the instructions represented by the Officer's commands, although they were much less literal in their interpretations. To the right and left of the infantrymen, machineguns were set up, and in a small firing bay a SMAT launcher had been arranged and extra ammunition taken from one of the ammunition stores dug into the inside of the trench. Their barrels would become hot with use soon enough.

The message had, by now, reached HQ from various companies, and the officers were hastily awakened and on the road to the reserve lines. A few hundred meters behind the reserve lines were the Corps's artillery. Around one hundred self-propelled 155mm pieces. So far they were loaded with anti-tank top attack submunition launching shells. Hopefully they would take a good enough toll on enemy armour, but they were there more to give the troops at the front courage that the enemy were losing vehicles, and not just ploughing inexorably into them. It would also hopefully demoralise the enemy for taking losses before the Praetonian lines even fired. Next they would fire HE-FRAG again to cause chaos in the enemy ranks and kill infantry above ground. If the front line trenches were overrun the defenders would retreat to the support trench and the artillery would drive back to a safer position. Such were the wonders of mechanisation.

"Steady, men," said the Officer nervously. Some of the infantrymen in the trench were starting to waver. He just hoped that when the shooting started they would revert to their training and lose fear. He was told they would. He was told he would too.

"Ready..." the Officer began, "fire!" He shouted.

The Praetonian line opened up in one disciplined volley, and a large number of Belgian troops went down, marked by the Praetonians like snipers. Now the enemy were closer in and most of them went prone, or crouched to advance on the line.

"Keep firing! SMAT - take out one of those damned tanks!" He shouted, although he was barely heard over the blasts of gun fire.

"Sir!" Shouted a SMAT gunner as he pressed the firing switch on his weapon and sent a missile screaming into a Leclerc. There was a moment of silence before the sonic boom overtook them, and a plume of flame erupted from the top of the turret. The vehicle has had it's turret blown out by the top-attack missile, just as a wave of sub-munition carrying shells burst overhead and rained their deadly low-level homing charges down on the enemy.

The troops in the trenches let out a cheer as the first tank exploded, but their cheers were soon deafened by further explosions as tanks lost their turrets. The overall tank death-toll was relatively low, with only a few vehicles being destroyed, but it gave the Praetonians heart. However, the remaining tanks were rounding on them. For the first time, their guns fired. 120mm HE-FRAG shells landed with a deafening set of booms that lasted more than a minute. Most of the Praetonians ducked down below the lip of their trenches, but a few, mostly the machinegunners who couldnt easily duck, kept firing.

Many of the shells exploded outside of the trench and killed few men, but a few exploded inside the trenches and wiped out the defenders in the sections where they struck, leaving dangerous gaps in the line. Once it was over, the defenders knew they would not have long before another volley, even more deadly, would strike their lines.

"Fix rifle grenades!" shouted the officer, and his company obediently slotted the small anti-tank charges onto their rifles. They also loaded a blank into a special loading chambre especially for the purpose.

"Enfliade of fire! Take down those tanks!" The men turned their rifles sideways so that they would attack not the tank in front of them, where they would be striking the impervious front armour, but the tank to the left, where they would be striking the weaker and less slanted side armour.

The SMAT fired again, destroying another vehicle, this time the one directly in front of the Officer.

"Fire!" He shouted, and a load crack of gunfire erupted and tens of rifle grenades whipped through the air to destroy let more tanks, although just as many grenades bounced off and did nothing. The tanks were firing their machineguns, and some were beginning to fire their second HE-FRAG rounds. The Belgians were running forward from cover to cover, approaching the infantry line with every passing minute. The tanks were supressing many of the Praetonian trench lines with machinegun fire, and the Belgians made a bee-line for the sections of trench cleared by tank fire.

Another wave of shells impacted, this time HE-FRAG, killing scores of Belgian infantry. Others who were running hit the ground and would not get up for several minutes. Others behind cover were less badly affected, although they were intensely shaken.

The officer looked around. So many of his men were dead, and the Belgian forces were overwhelming. Many of their tanks lay smouldering, but they had tens of thousands of infantrymen to the mere thousands of Imperial Guardsmen guarding that section of line. Still, reinforcements would be on their way, he hoped. He looked to his machinegunners. Dead. He looked to his SMAT gunners. One was nursing an arm that was likely broken, but he still handed up new rounds. The other man kept firing whilst trying to bandage his friend. The officer feared he would have to retreat. Fall back to the reserve trenches. If he did that the wounded would have to be left behind to the mercy of the Belgian forces. If they tried to flee they would be mown down.

Then the Belgians reached the trenches...

OOC: To be continued.

A grenade landed in the trench section diagonally across from the officer. He saw a plume of smoke and a shower of shrapnel and he ducked backwards to see more Belgian troops charging into his own trench. His men stood their ground and bayoneted a few, but there were many and they fought their way into the trench. The Praetonians turned they rifles and fought the Belgian troops hand-to-hand. The Officer drew his pistol and began to fire at them. A Belgian soldier jumped into the trench next to him and tried to bayonet him, but the Officer dodged aside and shot the man.

"Fall back!" He shouted, and the men, looking to the side and seeing Belgians swarming the trench sections next to his. The wounded stayed on with rifles to create a rear-gruard, and the relatively few able-bodied soldiers clambered up the otherside of the trench, dragging a few lucky wounded behind them. The rearguard fired their rifles both over the trench and across it as Belgian troops attacked, but they held on stubbonly. A few men were hit as they retreated, but the artillery opened up again, this time the shells exploding dangerously close to the mostly abandoned front line trenches, killing scores of enemy soldiers who were readying grenades and firing at the fleeing Praetonians.

Some miles away the Praetonian armour was approaching the battlefield. Over 500 IPO-145 Hoplite MBTs advanced in formation. Their plan was to sweep across the enemy flank as they persued the Praetonian forces to the already garissoned support trenches, break the enemy armoured column, and support the Imperial Guard in finishing off the Belgian infantry contingent. That was the plan anyway.

The city of Knokke was surrounded by piquets. They, unlike the men holding the central trenches, were not expected to stand their ground in the face of the enemy. Instead they were to fire a few shots, radio back to HQ and retreat to the city perimeter, where they could hold off any attack almost indefinately. Satellites high above Belgian had spotted dust columns approaching the line, but clouds had obscured any closer inspection.

A single Company made up most of the force, and it did not come as much of a suprise when they saw a small force of Belgian tanks on the horizon, obviously hoping to turn the enemy flank through the city. With them were 2,000 infantrymen.

A Captain looked through his binoculars to see the approaching troops. He had fought before, and so was not noticeably nervous.

"Keep that SMAT steady..." he whispered to the two-man SMAT crew, who were obscured by bushes. Other Praetonians were also lying behind soft cover, and they had marked out their targets. They would fire a few shots, and then retreat, "steady... fire!" He shouted, and a missile tore through the undergrowth and impacted on the top side of a tank, destroying it instantly. At the same time, a crackle of automatic gunfire sounded, and then the Praetonian troops retreated slowly back to the city.

Inside the city, things wer slightly more chaotic. Empty crates and expendable vehicles had been placed in major road-ways leading into the city, and men were stationed in the houses on the outskirts. They had no tanks inside the city, for tanks were not intended for urban fighting and Praetonian military doctrine demanded that they not take part. The men inside the houses were well barricaded, and included snipers, machineguns and SMATs in liberal quanitities.

Back in the centre of the line, battle was still raging. The trenches had been largely silences, but artillery still boomed towards the Belgiums. The Praetonians advanced cautiously from cover to cover, taking occasional shots at Belgian infantrymen who strayed too close. The tanks, however, were regrouping and the Belgians forming up behind them. Soon they would attack again, and the reserve line was not as strong as the first. Still, the first armoured support had arrived. A Badger LSV fired several rounds of 30mm AT ammo from behind a dilapidated wall before fleeing back the way it came. The tank it had hit shed a track whilst, having power to only one side, turned to expose some horribly mangeled drive wheels.

"Keep it up, men. We're almost there!" The Officer shouted to the remainder of his Company, only 40% of which was still alive. The reserve trench was only a a few dozen meters away, and they knew it was garissoned, even if the soldiers did not fire for fear of hitting their compatriots. They waited for the next artillery barrage to hit, before running headlong into the trenches. The Imperial Guardsmen on that section immediately beagan firing again, taking out a Leclerc with a SMAT. Next to them, a shell detonated inside the trench and killed an entire platoon. The Belgian tanks were approaching head on and tightly packed so as not to expose the vulnerable side and rear armour of their tanks. Behind them, a mass of spread out infantry advanced.

Shells detonated all around them, and infantrymen fell, but there were still more and the concentrated machinegun fire on the Praetonian lines was whithering.

Back in the city, the piquets had easily retreated back to the city with very few casualties, but the Belgians were close behind. As they came within about a kilometer the snipers opened fire, killing the Officers, Sergeants and Corporals first. In return, a tank gun boomed in the direction of a muzzle flash, collapsing the house, only to receive two SMATs for its trouble.

The Belgians advanced cautiously, taking aimed shots which, although most bounced off the solid cover of the houses, took their toll on the Praetonian defenders. Still, thousands of troops were stationed here and the Praetonians outnumbered the Belgians, as well as being fortified and having superior quality troops. Machineguns also began firing, killing most Belgians who did not duck behind cover or hide in the long grass as they advanced.

The five remaining Belgian tanks in the city attack advanced towards road into the city. The front one was destroyed almost immediately by a SMAT, but the ground was hard enough for them to go around and rifle, machinegun and tank fire quickly accumulated over the SMAT position. The tanks were only about 300 meters away now, and another one was destroyed, also the first, and the tanks again had to take a detour around. The tanks kept going, but now they fired rapidly, collapsing several houses and killing their occupants. In addition, the Belgian infantry were advancing quickly, and the machinegunners could do little against the tanks as they were tied up supressing the infantry.

Soon the tanks reached the street, and their crews realised instantly their mistake. Rifle grenades opened up on both sides, as did SMATs, and, although the tanks got off a few shot in return, they were soon reduced to smouldering wrecks. The Belgians infantry fought on, but they too were being sheperded, by the streets, into killzones where fire rained down from both sides. The fight continued, but the result was obvious.

Meanwhile, the Praetonian armoured formation was, at last, advancing on the Belgian vehicles. The hundred tanks smashed into the flank of the advancing Belgian vehicles like cannonball hitting plate glass. The Belgian tanks attempted desperately to turn their turrets, but their side armour was exposed and pitted against the Praetonian tanks' front armour. In addition to the superior 135mm ETC cannon, the Belgian tanks stood little chance. Shot after shot rang out, most scoring kills in the first instance. The infantry attempted to scatter but HE-FRAG rounds exploded amongst the mass of men who had previously been protected by their position behind the Belgian tanks.

SMATs also fired, and then Praetonian infantrymen, bayonets fixed, emerged from their trenches and began to walk towards the Belgian forces. Most had surrendered, or else been cut down by the advancing tanks. Others ran, and the machineguns finished them. The last stage of this battle was bloody slaughter, but the Praetonians had won and, even if Praetonian troops were yet to march on Brussels, Belgium had fallen.

OOC: Overview of Losses

Praetonia

Imperial Guard: 1,832 killed, 2,835 wounded
Vehicles: 4 Hoplite MBTs, 2 Badger LSVs

Belgium

Infantry: 8,281 killed, 12,492 wounded, 18,329 prisoner
Vehicles: 82 Leclerc MBTs

Although Dimmimar's holdings do not border Belgium, or are in Europe for that matter, we must insist that any ships going through the Suez canal that carry military weaponry be turned out of Dimmimaran territorial waters.

However, if Any nation attacks Praetonia in any way or form, then that nation will be denied access to the Suez and a state of war will exist between us and that country.

Baron Manfred von Konan
Minister for Foreign Affairs

We hope Praetonia is wise enough to leave other such nations in europe alone, Belgium is nothing else but a rebel Dutch province and so we cannot care any less but we still advise the Empire to steer clear and in particular of the Netherlands.

Tanya Rift,
Imperial Councillor,
Special Operations Officer.

Telegram to Dumpersterdam

At this time we have no stated ambitions outside of Belgium. We will, however,
be consolidating our borders after the invasion has succeeded in order to ensure
that we are not affected by the troubles in Germany, France and Spain.

Telegram to Dimmimar

We thank our Dimmimarian allies for your support and hope only that the
Brazillians think twice before attacking a much more powerful nation such as
Praetonia.

War Conference room
Second Tabanacle

After the events in Cyprus and Turkey had drawn to their conclusion, news reached the Nomad Circle that Belgium seemed to be suffering a simmilar fate and the War council was once again called.

"Whats the situation" Prime Nomad Guardian Jacob Israel asked.

"Well sir. Belgium has been attacked from the Coast and as we speek invasion forces are pushing inland. We are looking at a potential conquest of Europe" Commander Samuel Meteh of CAIN explained (CAIN = Cannitie Army Intellgence Network)

"Another imperalist on the rampage, what nation is this"

"Praetonia sir"

"We will have to respond. Prepare the flare fighters and the advanced harriers. If I give the word Joab, prepare a fly over of Belgium. Dont attack anyone but make sure that you make your pressence felt. Make sure you take Nathan Langly and Edward Michael Parker"

"Understood sir" Joab said, Air Guardien of the Neo Cannenite Air force.

Offical Statement by Prime Nomad Guardiean Jacob Israel regarding the conflict in Belgium

"The government of Neo Cannen is in unilateral disgust at these imperialistc advances in Europe. First Turkey, now Belgium. We implore you to reconsider your decision. Belgium is a neutral power and should remain so. All nations are soverign and should be respected. They are not their to be improved upon by conquering powers. I implore all nations to rise to these imperialistic acts and stop them"

Neo Cannite Air Force Command

Four squadrons of Flare fighters were launched, bound for the English Channel. Vertigo, Arachnoid (now reconstiuted) Inferno and Galaxy squadrons made their way to make an overfly of the attacking Pretonian fleet. They had been given specific instructions not to attack but to merely "Make their presence felt"

OOC: Do they pass over the Praetonian controlled area of Belgium or the waters within 20nm? Because if so I'll shoot at them for violation of airspace.

I should also point out that a "conquest of Europe" is very unlikely considering that most of Europe is controlled by far stronger powers

IC: No responce has been given to Neo-Cannen.

OOC: I will respond IC if you violate my airspace and I have to shoot down your fighters.

OOC: Do they pass over the Praetonian controlled area of Belgium or the waters within 20nm? Because if so I'll shoot at them for violation of airspace.


They are passing over the "Belgiun" area of Belgium, but comming very, very close to yours. And they are going to fly inside Belgiun territorial waters, on the grounds that they are not yours.

OOC: Ok. Ive looked at the thread and you dont actually own any Earth III territory, so can I assume they were launched from a nearby carrier?

OOC: Ok. Ive looked at the thread and you dont actually own any Earth III territory, so can I assume they were launched from a nearby carrier?

OOC: Well in the last Earth III thread I played I played from the Middle East, is that ok for that arrangement to still hold? If not then yes a carrier

OOC: Well in the last Earth III thread I played I played from the Middle East, is that ok for that arrangement to still hold? If not then yes a carrier
OOC: I dont know... Im just looking at the thread and your name doesnt show, but if you want to be in the Mid East for this RP then fine. You might want to talk to Witzgall about flying over his territory to intimidate one of his allies though. Anyhow...

IC: "Excellent news from the front, sirs," said a Staff Lieutenant, who had just returned from the head of the armoured column, which was now idling behind the now retaken front line trench. He addressed the Field Marshal, a Horseguard, two other such officers, an Imperial Guard officer and the fleet Admiral, "our armoured columns have broken the Belgian counterattack. Enemy casualties and prisoners approach 40,000 men, sirs."

"Brilliant news, Lieutenant! Have a glass of wine," said one of the Officers, offering the man a bottle and a seat.

"Thankyou, sir," he replied, sitting down.

"And now a toast," said the Field Marshal, standing up, "to victory!" he said, raising his glass. The others joined,

"To victory!"

"And now," continued the Field Marshal, "our armour and mechanised infantry will advance! This time next week gentlemen, we will be eating frites in the centre of Brussels!"

Several hours later, after the troops had rested, the tank crews had refueled their vehicles and the helicopter crews of the aviation battalion had finally got their rotorcraft off of the ships, the Imperial Expeditionary Force pushed on inland. The Belgian army, such as it not was, had fallen back on Brussels as expected, and began to do its best to dig in with the few troops it had remaining at its disposal.

The Praetonian army threw up a large cloud of dust as it advanced, but that was nothing to the construction work going on at the coast, overseen by two battalions of Imperial Guard. Underground VLS batteries a single cell deep stretched across the whole cost, although not all of the cells would be filled. Also fitted were 6" ETC cannon and machinegun posts along the coast at landable positions. This work would continue for several years until completed, but when done it was hoped that Praetonian Belgium would be impervious from the seaward side. They would also be able to close off the English channel at the Pas de Calais from the shore.

They advanced at a steady, but high, rate and within just a few days, in which a few minor and unnotable skirmishes took place with small numbers of Belgian troops, the Praetonians had reached the capital. They knew everything was concentrated there...

"What do you say for an all out assault," asked one of the Horseguard Officers.

"I dont think that would be advisable," said the Imperial Guard Officer, "they will have emplaced artillery and dug in infantry. It would be much better to surround the city and soften it up a bit first."

"Yes..." agreed a second Horseguard Officer, "We should surround the city, bombard it for a day or two, and then offer to accept their surrender. If they refuse then... more men will die, but we will prevail. They will be low on food and ammunition, and our forces are numerous and well trained."

"I agree," said the Field Marshal, "General, set things in motion," he said, looking to the Imperial Guard Officer. Horseguards ran the campaigns, and Imperial Guardsmen executed them. That was the way it had been for some time now.

Early the next morning everything had been set up. The hundred 155mm guns ringed the city, protected by artillery pits and trenches containing infantry in front of them. Several loudspeakers had been set up, saying in Dutch that Belgian troops would not be harmed if they surrendered to Praetonian forces, and Belgian civilians would be advised to leave also until the campaign was over. A large number of refugees ran from the city with their cars, where they were taken to large refugee camps set up by the Imperial Guard logistics men and given food and waters. After the war was over they would be compensated for their troubles. A small number, maybe two hundred, of Belgian troops also surrendered, but many of the 4,000 - 6,000 thought left remained, and Belgian artillery was firing all the time.

They didn't hit that much - they were dug in well inside the city and their spotters came under constant fire as they approached the edge of the city, but they took a light toll on the Praetonians, occasionally hitting a full trench or an artillery gun. As the sun rose on the fifth day of the invasion, the Praetonian artillery boomed loudly. Belgians rushed from the city to defend the outskirts, thinking an attack was imminent, but they just came under fire from Praetonian snipers and heavy machineguns, and were forced back to a line just beyond the city outskirts.

The bombardment lasted all day and all night. The artillery spent all of their ammunition. They had fired thousands of rounds. Finally, Praetonian forces radioed to the Belgians to surrender on the 7th day of the war. The responce came back delighted High Command, for the Belgians had surrendered, and around 5,000 Belgian troops marched out of the city with their hands above their heads.

"There are more, I am sure of it," said the Horseguard Officer who had suggested an all out attack.

"I think you could be right..." replied the Field Marshal, "we will go in with tanks first, followed by infantry. We will stay vigelant."

Later that day, Praetonian forces entered the city from several points, coming under sporadic fire that was quickly silenced. The outer parts of the city had been shattered by artillery, but the middle sections had been untouched. The advancing tanks again passed through a 'ring' of bombardment, and saw a large number of inner streets torn apart, but with few buildings destroyed. They saw why in the form of destroyed artillery pieces, placed in the middle of several roads, as well as a few pieces still intact. The Belgian capital building appeared still intact, and the final stage could go ahead.

The Field Marshal, his Horseguard Officers and the Imperial Guard General entered the city in a motorcade of Hoplite tanks and Mercury IFVs. Approaching the capital building the vehicle stopped, the High Command Officers got out, and, escorted by scores of Imperial Guardsmen in their dress uniforms, walked the last few hundred meters. A large crowd of Belgians had gathered, kept out of the road by lines of troops with fixed Bayonets. They were not, however, trying to force the barriers. They just looked on in a stunned silence.

The Field Marshal stopped, turned about, drew his sword and held it smartly alongside his body like a rifle on a parade ground, and began to talk,

"I claim this land in the name of Imperator Sarius Publius I of Praetonia. This land is now as of Praetonia itself, and the inhabitants thereof are hearby granted the rights of any other citizen of the Imperium, including the right to democratic representation in the Imperial and new Belgian Provincial Parliaments, and the rights to freedom of speech and non-violent protest.

"God Save the Imperium!" He shouted, raising the sword above his head, and the Praetonian national anthem began to play. Above the Belgian parliament, the Belgian flag was lowered, and removed. In its place two flags, the first of Praetonia, and the second Belgian with that of Praetonia in the top left corner were raised to fly over the seat of power in Belgium.

Belgium was conquered, her army broken. She was now Praetonian, and Praetonian to remain.

OOC Excuse me there's no one RPing Belgium so you rearly shouldnt claim victory.

OOC Excuse me there's no one RPing Belgium so you rearly shouldnt claim victory.
OOC: This is an other-Earth claims RP, not a war between different PC nationstates. Im perfectly entitled to claim I won so long as I RPed it properly, which I did. I took losses etc, but I always had the upper hand and it isnt suprising that I won. That's more than others do - some people just say that the native government handed over sovereignty for no apparent reason. Anyway, if you want to ignore me for beating a tiny nation as a massive economic superpower without waiting weeks for someone to play Belgium for me then you should ignore everyone in Earth III.

BUMP Where did all the sovereignty freeks go?

BUMP Where did all the sovereignty freeks go?

OOC I was waiting for my Earth III claim to be legitimised and it has.

IC

Within a matter of hours the four squadrons of Flare fighters were on a high alititude flight path heading straight for Belgiun territorial waters. The landing navy had created a blockade around the ports, it was to be the Flare fighters job to fix that.

"Stand by for attack run" Vertigo One called "Wait for fireing orders from NCAFC" he said. The planes overflew the Prateonian fleet and head out to the North Sea. They then reached the south Eastern side of Iceland and prepared to come about.

BUMP (Hello? Praetonia)

BUMP (Hello? Praetonia)

OoC: Maybe Praetonia is away hm? Ever thought of that? Maybe he has a social life outside of NS, ever thought of that?

OOC: OoC: Maybe Praetonia is away hm? Ever thought of that? Maybe he has a social life outside of NS, ever thought of that?
OOC: Yah Im trying to do English coursework on this computer. NS... so distracting... cant resist...

IC: "Neo Cannite fighters on radar, sir," said a young Officer aboard the Bridge of the Victor.

"Excellent... if they fly over territorial waters you will engage. Scramble all fighters," replied thr Admiral, recently back from the ceremony in Brussels.

"Yes sir," acknowledged several Bridge Officers.

The five plane constant CAP moved off to put themselves in a firing position, and a further 20 planes were brought up from below deck on the carrier to be launched. On board the ships VLS cells were trained on various enemy planes, ready to launch 2 missiles for each enemy. CIWS guns also tracked the planes, ready to attempt to intercept any missiles that may be launched. Helicopters in the air quickly made their way towards the carrier to get the protection of being below deck - they were sitting ducks in a dogfight.

"The enemy has entered our territorial airspace," said the Officer, and no further orders were required from anyone. Two missiles streaked out of VLS cells for each fighter in the air and streaked toward them. Planes shot to maximum speed and fired their anti-air missiles and then moved in close to engage with cannon.

Urgent Telegram to Neo Cannen

Several squardons of your fighters are being intercepted inside Belgian
territorial waters. You are soley responcible for their destruction, and your
actions constitute an act of war. You will issue an official public apology to
the Democratic Imperium and pay reparations for any damage your planes
may inflict, or a state of war shall exist between us. We have no desire for
war, but we will not allow our national sovereignty to be flaunted in such a
way.

Booooomp!

OoC: Maybe Praetonia is away hm? Ever thought of that? Maybe he has a social life outside of NS, ever thought of that?

OOC I bumped when he was online, it was reasonable

IC

"Incomming missiles, prepare plasma stream star manover" Vertigo one called

"Acknowlegd" called Vertigo Squadron back. The other fighters broke off, skimming the surface of the sea. They were preparing for a paricularly special attack.

"NCAFC, do we have a go for attack"

"Affirmative"

That word came precisely 3 seconds late for the pilots of Sahara 5 through 10. The enemy missiles came too fast. The others managed to avoid them via effective use of their targeted countermesures and their dodging.

Vertgio squadron meanwhile, moved into a hexagonal formation, vertically. They then each launched a missile loaded with nightlight and then joined the sea skiiming group. The missiles flew in a path in the heagonal web towards eachother very fast. Finally they all colided in the centre creating a massive explosion. This explosion ignited the trail of nightlight creating a massive web of fire in the sky, divertig the attention of the missiles flying towards them. Then Vertigo One fired a low yeild EMP warhead into the path of the oncoming missiles, if they tried to detonate it, it would go off. The EMP generator itself was incased in a titanium shell in the noze cone. If a proximity sensor was triggered, then it would fire.

Meanwhile the Sea Skimming sections fired Nightlight warheards at the fleet. Nightlight is an advanced, highly volitile chemical that when ignited would casuse massive destruction of a firestorm kind. The missile slammed into the ships but did not explode yet. They were leaking the chemical into the air, so that when the iginition was fired. Then the planes all rose from the sea and each dropped five freefall bombs into the sea. Before they hit the water however, they released a cloud of cesiuem into the air. When reacitng with the water, this produced an explosive reacion. Given that each bomb had 50 kilos of Cesisum in, the waves it would create would topple the ships. Finally, Vertigo one fired a flare into the cloud of nightlight, creating a massive firestorm which engulffed the fleet

Offical message to the government of Pratonia from the Government of Neo Cannen

We have violated Belgiums soverigen waters, not yours. Your annexation was completely without provocation and we indend to defend Belgium's neutrality.

OOC:

1) My missiles are guided by ship radar, not IR.

2) Nightlight... is this like napalm or something? I dont really understand.

3) The missiles are programmed to attack from a variation of directions, but still, an EMP warhead would also destroy your planes.

4) *sigh* Caesium again... I seriously doubt the ability of caesium to cause anywhere near the amount of damage a lot of people think it would, but I'll go with it and take some damage.

First, however, I would like you to take losses on yuor planes. I fired when you entered territorial waters, meaning that they were at most a few miles away, and trying to evade missiles moving at mach 4+... you'd likely take at least a few losses before firing anything.

EDIT: How many planes are in each squadron?

1) My missiles are guided by ship radar, not IR.


OOC The point of the explosion it that because its so huge, and creates so much air trafic disruption, it confuses radar and IR alike, because of the nature of nightlight, it creates the illusion of a solid object when ignited (Will explain more in a mo)


2) Nightlight... is this like napalm or something? I dont really understand.


This is a chemical which is simmilar to petrolium. But Neo Cannen has advanced it to be adhesive to air molicules. When it combusts, it not only combusts massively powerfully, but leaves a massive ammount of smoke residue of the adhesive chemicals, which blinds radar and IR.


3) The missiles are programmed to attack from a variation of directions, but still, an EMP warhead would also destroy your planes.


Two points to this, firstly the EMP hasnt been fired yet, I was planning to fire it when my planes left, and secondly, just think for a second. If the planes are carrying EMP warheads, then it is expected that they have adiquate protection. Now you can RP that your planes are protected too but there isnt a protection system that is yet adiquate to both protect a missile and let leave it able to recieve complex computer or remote control instructions. The protection systems we have ATM would cause disruption to the micro-communication systems that control missiles. So your missiles would fall.


4) *sigh* Caesium again... I seriously doubt the ability of caesium to cause anywhere near the amount of damage a lot of people think it would, but I'll go with it and take some damage.


Caesium is explosive when reacting with water. And seriously explosive. If you have seen what potassium can do in water, Cesium is several hundrued times that powerful. If youve done even just GCSE (or whatever it is in America or France or anywhere else. Lets just say 11-16 age group) Chemistry you will know this)


First, however, I would like you to take losses on yuor planes. I fired when you entered territorial waters, meaning that they were at most a few miles away, and trying to evade missiles moving at mach 4+... you'd likely take at least a few losses before firing anything.

EDIT: How many planes are in each squadron


Fine, I will edit it, and in answer to your question, originaly it was six, but in another RP this proved to be hidieously inefficent so its 10 now (several squadrons amalgimated)

OOC: Do you have MSN or AIM, because if you do then we could finish this much more quickly.

1) 10 x 4 = 40. I fired 2 missiles at each. 40 x 2 = 80. 80 missiles = 2 casualties? Godmod.

2) You "somehow" do an advanced maneuver well before mach 4+ missiles hit you at just a few miles range. Godmod.

3) The only way you can really shield anything from EMP is with a Faraday cage, which needs to be earthed (http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/emp_and_faraday_cages.htm)

4) My radar isnt stopped by smoke, like all other radar. Not to mention that if this did disable radar and IR, you wouldnt be able to fire at my ships.

5) I've seen Caesium reactions with cold water, and they blew up the glass bowls used in the reactions. However, the scientist who did this by hand was not hurt, something that would not have been the case had they used an equal mass of C4. Still, you put some imagination into it so I might RP a ship being knocked a little and stunned, but the expectation that Im going to RP this flipping over a 30,000 tonne carrier or even an entire battlefleet, is rather farfetched.

Your attack is highly suspect, mostly because you refused to take losses even when I fired a huge number of highly advanced SAMs (I can get the stats if you wish) but you also RPed each part of your attack succeeding AND your planes flying away afterwards. Please dont do this in future - I know you can write well, but this and stealing Presgrief's territory without letting him say anything does not fill me with hope that this will be a good RP.

EDIT: On the Caesium thing: I just got done talking to a couple people from a couple universities and DOE organizations (Ames Laboratory, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and University of Illinois) - They all pretty much said the same. Cesium wouldn't have an extreme reaction - in fact a pretty small one, because as I said it reacts most potently with distilled water at colder temperatures (not the 65-96.8 degrees that the first couple hundred meters of ocean water usually is). The cations in the salt of ocean water would work against the cesium's reaction, further weakening it - and coupled with the temperature of the water would make it useless.

You've got a useless, expensive torpedo there ;)

That was from the last time someone on NS tried this.

1) 10 x 4 = 40. I fired 2 missiles at each. 40 x 2 = 80. 80 missiles = 2 casualties? Godmod.


Read the post, 5-10 = 5 through 10. IE five casualities. But if thats not enough i will do more


2) You "somehow" do an advanced maneuver well before mach 4+ missiles hit you at just a few miles range. Godmod.


Its not that advancend. Ill show you

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If you consider that where the backslashes touch the top lines and the I's and the underscores a plane, they are in a hexogen. They then fire the missiles towads the centre infront of them


3) The only way you can really shield anything from EMP is with a Faraday cage, which needs to be earthed (http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/emp_and_faraday_cages.htm)


Not true. If you harden and shield enough with certian metals and non metals, it can be shielded.


4) My radar isnt stopped by smoke, like all other radar. Not to mention that if this did disable radar and IR, you wouldnt be able to fire at my ships.


My missiles are dumb fire, ie no gidence. They dont need guidence if they are flying at ships. Also dense enough smoke does stop radar



5) I've seen Caesium reactions with cold water, and they blew up the glass bowls used in the reactions. However, the scientist who did this by hand was not hurt, something that would not have been the case had they used an equal mass of C4. Still, you put some imagination into it so I might RP a ship being knocked a little and stunned, but the expectation that Im going to RP this flipping over a 30,000 tonne carrier or even an entire battlefleet, is rather farfetched.


Granted the reaction would not be massively specatcular as C4, but the main thing is that the explosion is on the sea. Hence the water itself is heaving.


Your attack is highly suspect, mostly because you refused to take losses even when I fired a huge number of highly advanced SAMs (I can get the stats if you wish) but you also RPed each part of your attack succeeding AND your planes flying away afterwards. Please dont do this in future - I know you can write well, but this and stealing Presgrief's territory without letting him say anything does not fill me with hope that this will be a good RP.


Well becase I was sea skimming you had no way to stop the missiles. Even modern navies have only limited defenses against sea skimming missiles. Also, I have TG'd Presgrief. If he doesnt respond its not my fault.

OOC: I dont have time to argue over technology, so I will RP the attack going how I think it should. I will say a few things before I do though,

Ah 5 through 10. Still, 80 advanced SAMs would expect more than 5 casualties. Maybe Im overestimating this, but 16 missiles to kill one of your planes at (in aviation terms) point blank range seems a little much.

On the formation thing - yes I know what a haxagon looks like. What Im saying is that you have at most 22.5 seconds to do it, assuming your planes were not moving at all (and therefore not moving towards the missiles). A more realsitc value would be (and this is pure estimation) 10 seconds or so, and considering that in that time you have to detect the missiles, order the maneuver, fly into a hexagon, release this made-up chemical, ignite it, and then fly back... and all the thought processes in between.... and all that in formation... it just doesnt seem very realistic. Im willing to RP a few missiles being spooked by it, but really a tiny amount.

EMP - Well yes ok, you can shield things to an extent without using something like a Faraday cage, but it's not that good, especially seeing as this missile, if it is to intercept any decent number of my missiles has to have a huge range. Therefore I will RP it as if you had fired a weak EMP device, which will only knock out one or two missiles, considering the fact that my missiles dont fire along the same line in massive swarms because they are far more vulnerable to countermeasures that way.

No guidance then I will not RP a large number of hits, and yes ships can intercept sea-skimming warheads. I agree, it is less likely, as you have less reaction time, but that doesnt make it impossible, and as far as Im aware no RL navy uses anti-missile SAMs. Anyway you shall see what I think is realistic in the way I RP it.

IC: The Praetonian planes banked sideways and accelerated greatly, closing in on the enemy planes. They fired off their entire missile load (8 missiles each from 20 planes) to create a whithering hail of fire upon the enemy planes which had been ignoring the small Praetonian aerial force to try to avoid the fire from the fleet which was now starting to include that from CIWS guns as the enemy planes moved into range.

"What's that they're doing?" Said a pilot over his radio.

"I dont know, but it's a bloody strange maneuver," replied the Wing Commander, "move in to attack."

The planes swooped down on the enemy planes from high altitude and began firing their cannon, fixing in with the already discharged missile fire.

"They're sea-skimming, sir!" One pilot exclaimed in delight.

"Indeed, Sergeant. We shall have some good hunting today," low level was not the domain of the interceptor, and the Praetonian fighters clearly had the advantage, moving onto the enemy tails from above.

The air was also filled with missiles fired from the ships. Surrounding the enemy fighters from all directions, it was impossible for chaff or flares to eliminate all of the missiles. It couldnt really even intercept a particularly large amount. Especially not flares anyway, due to the radar guidance. Suddenly, the EMP missile shot out from the enemy planes. The ship radar detected it and the missiles swooped to the side to avoid it. Anything that size moving towards a large number of missiles was classed as a countermeasure, and the missiles were designed to be able to avoid them. Still, the EMP had range, and a few missiles lost all electronics, simply flying onwards at full speed. Still, they were close, and maybe they would hit something. Maybe they would not.

Meanwhile, the enemy planes were still moving. A few freefall bombs dropped into the sea and broke, greating a large-ish wave that eminated in all directions. The Caesium was not particularly powerful. It was not even as powerful as a standard bomb. If it was then world powers would use Caesium bombs. The wave hit the fleet, making the ships bob up and down, but even the frigates were designed for operations in high sea-states, and this was not nearly enough to capsize them.

The enemy began to fire rockets. They were not particularly accurate, but a few hit the sides of the Praetonian ships. For some reason, they didnt explode, but seeped chemicals into the environ. Many of the rockets which had hit the flat sides of the Praetonian carrier just dropped into the sea. The frigates and destroyers were not that high, and the chemicals seeped out and soon after they exploded, creating a massive fireball. Luckily, Praetonian ships arent made out of wood, and so although some toxic smog had seeped in past the NBC filters, there was very littel damage at the end of it, save for three destroyers with damaged radar arrays.

The PWS Carthaginian, however, was not so lucky. Three of the nightlite missiles had malfunctioned and exploded on impact forming a triange of explosions which litterally crushed the hull beneath them. The superstructure collapsed and the air was sucked from the no longer NBS shielded hull. Although the wreckage protected the crew below decks, the superstructure crew were dead and the ship was heavily aflame.

The enemy planes overflew the Praetonian fleet, and the Praetonian ships fired another volley of missiles. This time, more intermittently. They had seen the Neo Cannites use countermeasures, and by firing a steady stream of missiles which would eventually amount to about one per plane, they would not possibly keep up. Especially not while trying to avoid the Praetonian fighters.

The enemy began to fire rockets. They were not particularly accurate, but a few hit the sides of the Praetonian ships. For some reason, they didnt explode, but seeped chemicals into the environ. Many of the rockets which had hit the flat sides of the Praetonian carrier just dropped into the sea. The frigates and destroyers were not that high, and the chemicals seeped out and soon after they exploded, creating a massive fireball. Luckily, Praetonian ships arent made out of wood, and so although some toxic smog had seeped in past the NBC filters, there was very littel damage at the end of it, save for three destroyers with damaged radar arrays.


OOC its not just fire. This technology (Gasolenine fuel air drop bombs) has been around since Vietnam. It creates an explosive compression wave. Here is what was said to the last person who complained about it


Second point, you screamed godmod when he unleashed the gasoline bomb on your ship in the war thread, this technology has been around since the vietnam war. In fact the US military used to call it the poor man's atomic bomb. The damage this weapon would have done of your ship would not have been as light as you claimed. An important note about this missile my colleague failed to mention is the fact that when it ignites it removes all the oxygen from the area it is detonated in and uses it in the fireball. Your men on the ship would have been effectively had there lungs seared and or died for lack of oxygen unless the were in sealed compartments. All of this data can be found via Military History books, via the net, etc. You might want to check out a book called weapons at war from your local library, it might be very helpful for you. I have the set.

NCS Lightening

Only seven of the original fourty from the first attack made it back to the carrier group.

With the news that the first attack had only had limited sucess, a new plan was drawn up aboard the NCS Lightning, a carrier of the coast of Iceland. Three remote control drones were launched from the NCS Lightning and spead their way towards the fleet at low altitude

OOC note these are drones, UAV's. You would not be able to pick them up on radar, as they are far too small

IC
The Drones eventually got within range of their targets. Each one flew as near as they could to the fleet and when their proximity sensors were triggered, they detonated their EMP warheads on their undersides. They then proceded to suicide run into the ships hull. The rest was yet to come.

OOC: NC, UAV's can be picked up on radar...I don't know where you got the idea that they can't, but they sure can. Also, just for reference, where on Earth III do you "hold"?

NCS Lightening

With the news that the first attack had only had limited sucess, a new plan was drawn up aboard the NCS Lightning, a carrier of the coast of Iceland.
OOC: I just want to know if you're allied with Hardheads who controlls Iceland? I control The Faeroe Islands and the Jan Mayen Island in the neighborhood of Iceland.
Kopparbergs has a fairly large active fleet in the North Sea by now due to the ongoing Witzgal - Euroslavia war. Our ships also patrols around the islands controlled by us.

OOC: I just want to know if you're allied with Hardheads who controlls Iceland? I control The Faeroe Islands and the Jan Mayen Island in the neighborhood of Iceland.
Kopparbergs has a fairly large active fleet in the North Sea by now due to the ongoing Witzgal - Euroslavia war. Our ships also patrols around the islands controlled by us.

I said off the coast. Its in international waters, also at present my disputed territory is the Crimea, but because I dont have any offical territory, I am assumed to be an Island yes?

I said off the coast. Its in international waters, also at present my disputed territory is the Crimea, but because I dont have any offical territory, I am assumed to be an Island yes?

Which island. It needs to be an actual nation...

"Sir, enemy aircraft on radar," said an officer aboard the Victor calmly. They were somewhat shocked by the fate of the Carthaginian, but they knew it could have been much worse and it was only the Neo Cannites' complete lack of understanding of naval warfare that had stopped the carrier getting it.

"Destroy them," said the Admiral, calmly. Three missiles shot from the VLS cells at the fore of one of the destroyers, shooting towards the UAVs. The aircraft were not known for their maneuverability, and it was very unlikely that they would be particularly fast, so it was not necessary to engage with an overwhelming number of missiles. Indeed, all they had to do was chase away the planes that were obviously just scouts.

As the missiles flew towards the UAV's the proximity alarm went off in the first UAV. However it could not fire the weapon in time and it was destroied. Considering the speed of the destruction of the first UAV, the other two did some brief calculations and realised they had to act fast. They both droped their EMP warheads into the water. The missiles, upon being dropped, sealed themselves and rose their rockets above water level. These were not just standard EMP generators. They had been designed as missiles/torpedos for air/sea use. The UAV's then shadowed the torpedos as they began to fire up their engines for the assult on the ships. It would only last for a moment or two however. The missiles were much faster than the UAV's. When they hit the water, a hydrofoil had extended itself to allow them to use standard engines in the water. The engine was raised, but so too was the nose cone. The missiles sped up at a speed that was now aprroching Mach II. The UAV's had of course been long gone by now.

The Praetonian ships acted automatically at this point. The ring of frigates opened fire with CIWS guns, pumping 40mm AHEAD rounds into the missiles at a rate of over 6,000 rounds per minute. Also firing were the SCRAMjet powered Discus missiles. Two were fired for each of the enemy missiles. It was likely that the magical Mach II hydrofoils would flip over and smash into the water, but perhaps that was not to be the case, and racks of unguided rockets also fired, aimed by the ships' milimeter band radar. Also firing was a single EW missile, which would confuse the enemy missiles' systems by making fake contacts appear miles out and masking close in contacts, as well as disabling some of the systems. It was a nice fantasy that they would simply detonate when they detected enemy fire, but with Mach 7+SCRAMjets heading for them, the enemy warheads would be dead long before then.

As the rounds ripped into the first missile it exploded. However the second one picked up the debris from the first into its proximity alarm and fired the EMP. But then it too was destroied.

NCS Lightening

From the radar reports, the preperation attemt had failed. Which was of course a problem. But an esaily solved one. They would simpley make some adjustments to their plan.

Operation North was underway. Within a few hours over 300 sidewinder and cruise missiles were preped and set up in a floating launching rack. A series of modifications had been made and they were ready. 300 Modified Sidewinder and cruise missiles were stacked and ready. Of course, in order for the opperation to go off reletively well, a small level of preperation was required. Two high altiude airships were loaded up with missiles to power them. They set off for the fleet. Aboard the airships were two devices that were going to cause a great deal of trouble for the Pretonian fleet.

[OOC: Neo Cannen, please tell me where you are attacking and where from? Is it an actual RL island, or is it just a make-believe land?]

[OOC: Neo Cannen, please tell me where you are attacking and where from? Is it an actual RL island, or is it just a make-believe land?]

Read the thread. Its a fleet of the coast of Belgium. I was under the impression that if you didnt have any territory in an earth thread, your Island was asumed to be in the middle of an ocean and that it was not a real Island. If that is not the case then I will pick Asscension Island as my place, just much bigger

[OOC: I believe you actually have to have a claim on a territory on Earth III to participate in an Earth III thread. Also, you have to claim the island you want to RP from. You can't just say you own it without posting it as a claim in the Claims thread.]

[OOC: I believe you actually have to have a claim on a territory on Earth III to participate in an Earth III thread. Also, you have to claim the island you want to RP from. You can't just say you own it without posting it as a claim in the Claims thread.]

Ive participated in Earth RP's without owning territory before. I have the Crimea as a disputed territory. For the moment, lets just stick with how things are. Assume I own the crimea and that I have stratigcly positioned fleets. For the sake of the continuing RP

[OOC: Right...well then, I hope you don't think you'll just waltz into Belgium territory and the surrounding water without my interference. 1) You are assaulting an ally. 2) You are near my Empire, which consists of Germany, France, Italy, Austria, and Switzerland. Also, about 75% of the technology and things you are using are godmodding. UAV's get picked up by radar, a hexagon formation can't stop a Mach 4 missile, etc.]

[OOC: Right...well then, I hope you don't think you'll just waltz into Belgium territory and the surrounding water without my interference. 1) You are assaulting an ally. 2) You are near my Empire, which consists of Germany, France, Italy, Austria, and Switzerland. Also, about 75% of the technology and things you are using are godmodding. UAV's get picked up by radar, a hexagon formation can't stop a Mach 4 missile, etc.]

Many UAV's are undeteable as they are too small, I know, my uncle works on them.

How small are we talking? Seeing how .09 square feet (even smaller) can be detected on radar. Also, if theyre that small, they can't carry torpedoes.

How small are we talking? Seeing how .09 square feet (even smaller) can be detected on radar. Also, if theyre that small, they can't carry torpedoes.

You clearly have a limited understanding of radar. Its not the size that is the main factor in detection on radar, thats second to compositon. Carbon fibre can be undetected by radar, for example. But forget that atm, the UAVs section is over.

Many UAV's are undeteable as they are too small, I know, my uncle works on them.

Wrong as well. The smallest RL UAV can't even carry weapons. The RQ-2 Pioneer, which to my knowledge is 14ft long and has a wingspan of 16-17ft, cannot carry weapons and is used for RSTA (Reconnaissance, surveillance, and targeting acquisition.)

And even that can be picked up on radar. So how, with an external payload and undoubtedly bigger than the Pioneer, is it undectable?

You clearly have a limited understanding of radar. Its not the size that is the main factor in detection on radar, thats second to compositon. Carbon fibre can be undetected by radar, for example. But forget that atm, the UAVs section is over.

And do you expect me to believe you built a UAV out of Carbon fibre?

And do you expect me to believe you built a UAV out of Carbon fibre?

It was an example. There are UAV's which cannot be picked up by conventional radar because they are too small and made of the wrong materials

The missiles then droped off the airships and crashed into the sea. The two airships continued up on high altiude. The material that the airships were made of was very carefully designed to absorb radar emitions, They flew on above the Prationan fleet, carrying their weapons.
OOC: Make one IC post then wait for me to respond before making another. Before we go any further, I want you to post losses on your fighters during the original attack.

EDIT: Thankyou for editting them in. Now we shall continue. I should say that the post quoted above is ignored, because it was made after a prior IC post by you.

IC: Since the danger from enemy fighter attack had lapsed, the EW (Early Warning not Electronics Warfare) helicopters were launched back into the air, and the CAP had been reduced from the full quota of 20 fighters to just 5 as usual. This was standard formation for the small Carrier Battle Group, with the helicopters being able to fly high enough to overcome the 'horizon limit', that so plagued ship radar, for as much as 150 miles in all directions, allowing for good weather.

Shore defences were also coming along. The best landing sites had had concrete bunkers and 6" ETC cannon constructed already, as well as one or two of the less obvious but much more numberous possible landing sights. VLS systems were also progressing on schedule, and the fleet could expect limited support from the shore if the enemy attacked again.

The Imperial Praetonian Parliament - Praeton

"These Neo Cannites have attempted to undermine not only the position of the Imperial Navy as one of the finest in the world, but also our very sovereignty itself!" Shouted a Liberal-Imperialist back bencher. Most of Parliament nodded and shouted in agreement.

"Order! Order!" Shouted the speaker, banging his gabble on the podium.

"I move to support a declaration of war against Neo Cannen," The House roared in agreement, and even the few who would otherwise have opposed the motion saw it was fultile to oppose the parties and simply abstained.

Outside of the great Obsidian Tower, on the bottom level of which the Imperial Parliament was situated, the twenty four guns that usually boomed only for a change of the hour rang out for a full half hour, and the Aquila flag of Praetonia that flew atop the tower was joined by that of a large green eagle, which was only raised in times of war. The first steps had already been planned.

High Priority Telegram to Neo Cannen

The Imperial Parliament of Praetonia has, in its infinite wisdom, voted by
overwhelming majoirty for a declaration of war against your nation of Neo
Cannen. If, however, you accept and act upon the following terms, the
declaration of war will be recinded:

1) The United Nomadic Nations of Neo Cannen will apologise for her
unprovoked attack upon military assets of the Democratic Imperium.

2) The United Nomadic Nations of Neo Cannen will pay reparations totalling
$10bn.

3) The United Nomadic Nations of Neo Cannen will surrender 50% of her
airforce to the Democratic Imperium.

Our terms are more than fair, and I can assure you now that if you do not
accept this ultimatum, you will face much more of the Imperial Navy than a
mere cargo escort 'fleet'.

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ooc:hi b4 i start to play in this rp can some1 plz explain to me about the "earth" campaiagns

any help will be happily taken in

ooc:hi b4 i start to play in this rp can some1 plz explain to me about the "earth" campaiagns

any help will be happily taken in
OOC: Basically there are lots of different Earths for people to claim real life territory on. This is just a prelimary thing until I have enough of a foothold to attack nations in Earth III that are RPed by actual players. Anyway, if you want to RP on these forums you should drop the 'txt' talk and the lack of punctuation right away.

---Telegram---
This Commander Ceronius of the ratriona strike force 12.
We come in aid of the fallen belgians. Careful Praetonia
beware of the mighty strike force 12!

"Captain we are about to fly into belgian airspace" shouts a ratrionian warrior
"Thank you, Men prepare for the jump, Pilots prepare the smoke launchers"
"Yes Sir" called all the troops

The 25 orange dragon class transport ships were just crossing over the luxembourg-belgium border
" quickly fire the smoke launchers jump, jump, jump!!" and with that 500 troops parachuted out of the planes. When many sam missiles where fired in the air towards them. In total the casualties from the sams were 15 orange dragon class transports and 60 ratriona reapers, leaving a total of 10 transports and 440 reapers.
"We must establish a ground base on this side. First construct basic walls of defence and dig the trenches."

OOC: This is an Earth III roleplay, and as you can clearly see from this map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/europeEIII.gif) Luxembourg is owned by San Lucia. Still, as you are new I'll carry on the roleplay assuming San Lucia didnt notice the planes or something.

IC: Praetonian Military Command - Brussels

"We have received reports that an unknown nation has landed paratroops on the Belgian-Luxembourg border," said a dispatch from the radio room two floors below in the ex-Belgian government building.

"Numbers? Do we have numbers?" Asked one of the lower ranking commanders, irritably.

"Yes, sir. They landed between 400 and 500 soldiers from twenty five planes. We have confirmed kills on fifteen of the planes, but the other ten have passed back into San Lucian airspace."

"We must attack now!" Said one of the other Commanders, ignoring the dispatch who was still standing to attention in the doorway.

"I think you're right. One battalion should do it, wouldnt you think?" replied the Horseguard Field Marshal. The others murmured in agreement. They didn't think the Ratrionians had much chance of causing any damage.

The Praetonian defencive lines along the entire Belgian border were positioned a few miles behind the frontier, so there would be a gap of at least a few hours between an act of war and enemy forces impacting on Praetonian lines. It was also arranged this way to facilitate an upcomign operation that was still top secret, and would ever remain so [OOC: <.< >.>].

The 56th Battalion began to move out later that day to engage the Ratrionians. They had enough troops, tanks and IFVs to completely crush them.

OOC: Info on what Ive sent is here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382026 Note that that thread is no where near completed.

OOC: I shall help you Neo-Cannan, but only by sending money/medical supplys. I can't send men as I'm FT and anyway Prae will ignore me. I'm most likly on his ignore list....
Short post this one, BTW.

IC: As Equinox stood over the map of Terra, he noticed that there was fighting over Belgium.
"Puny Terrans, they shall all die soon." Brother-Chaplain Damian entered the room,
"Mabey so, but one of our forrgotten allys are fighting there. We are bound by honour to send aid."
Equinox turned, looking confused. "Ally?"
Damian walked, almost floated to a console, "Yes, it was before you were infused with the higher commands of the Soul Drinkers." He then pushed a button, "It is done. Neo-Cannan have 100 million to help them."
Equinox then left the room, muttering something.

Damian was left in the room, alone, to broadcast his message to Neo-Cannan. This is Brother-Chaplain Damian, we recieved your request for aid and have obliged. If there is more needed, do not hesitiate to request more. I'm afarid that troops can not be sent as we have none to spare. May your victory be swift and brutal. You have my blessings.

OOC: Cam III: Sarzonia, Morathania and I have nuked you twice now, and you fled into Future Tech, remember? Therefore you are right, I do not recognise your existance. I havent added you to the Jolt ignore list though.

EDIT: Having read it... I might allow you to send funds and medics... it all depends on what NC posts in a few mintues though.

Second Tabanacle
War Conference room

"Well sir" Saul asked "We recieved the surrender demand this morning, we would apper to be low on options"

"Indeed" Jacob Israel said. "I take it however we recieved a donation this morning"

"Yes sir, 100 million US dollars, aproximately 475 million NCD's, our factroies are already going into overdrive on the SAM batteries, we allready have the border anti air guns in place, and its only a matter of time before the new, mobile ones arrive"

"But thats only some of the money" Naval Guardien Moses piped in "We've allready got some other plans for the navy and also there is the air force, and its expansion"

"Indeed" Jacob said. "Very well, this is my decision. Move the people into the Siani bunkers. We best prepare for an all out attack" he turned to Joab "How ready is the airforce to deal with any incoming bombing raids?" he asked. "Well enough" Joab responded. "Once the people are inside the Siani bunkers we shouldnt have to worry. Even Nukes cant reach them down there. And the air force should be able to deal with at least 50% of all incoming aircraft"

"Then its decided" Jacob said "We continue fighting, but we're not saying yet. First we have to get the people into the Siani bunkers, put out the encrypted singal to all the tribes. Once they are safe we will annonce our response"

"Understood sir" the others said in unison

"May God help us all in this time" Jacob said

ooc: is that not a bit un fair that all my troops are just wiped out!!!
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367578
rule number 1.

ooc: is that not a bit un fair that all my troops are just wiped out!!!
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367578
rule number 1.
OOC: ??? I didnt say they were. I just said Im attacking you with one battalion.

OOC: Cam III: Sarzonia, Morathania and I have nuked you twice now, and you fled into Future Tech, remember? Therefore you are right, I do not recognise your existance. I havent added you to the Jolt ignore list though.

EDIT: Having read it... I might allow you to send funds and medics... it all depends on what NC posts in a few mintues though.

OOC: How many times do I have to tell you. Rebuilding! I don't think you noticed but I never participated in a Rp for a while after that incident. You can rebuild things you know. Get over it.

Yes, by rule you shouldn't accept me helping NC. But I can, I exsit in your time. I am just more advanced than you are. So, that way I an acctully send aid to NC. But I shall accept your decision....

OOC: How many times do I have to tell you. Rebuilding! I don't think you noticed but I never participated in a Rp for a while after that incident. You can rebuild things you know. Get over it.

Yes, by rule you shouldn't accept me helping NC. But I can, I exsit in your time. I am just more advanced than you are. So, that way I an acctully send aid to NC. But I shall accept your decision....
OOC: I dont accept future tech nations AT ALL. I dont accept nations that got carpet nuked by several nations AT ALL. Your mainland was then invaded by Aust, so although you can rebuild, you have to be a vassal of Aust. Of course, you can continue in Space Tech as you wish, but then I dont recognise your existance.

...And I accept that.

Now, back to the RP.

The 56th Battalion began to move out later that day to engage the Ratrionians. They had enough troops, tanks and IFVs to completely crush them.
ooc: you were impling that they had been destroyed

OOC: I was implying that they will be crushed in the near future, which is both a different thing and highly likely. Now let's get on with the RP. Ive posted attacking you with a battalion of troops and tanks (and given you the link to the composition) and now you should RP some forward scouts spotting it or something.

Official Statement, Imperial Government

Facing threats from the sea in the form of the Neo Cannenites, and threats from the South and East in the form of the now destabilising Witzgallian Reich, the Democratic Imperium is hearby committing a full Imperial Fleet consisting of 60 ships including 3 carriers and 2 battleships, along with the 7th and 9th Imperial Guard Brigades, consisting of some 16,000 men.

Official Statement by the Exiled Dumpsterdanian Goverment

In light of recent agressive actions taken against our ally, Praetonia, we are currently mobilising and diverting naval and ground forces to support her forces in Belgium.

Four fleets and over thirty divisions have been diverted towards the North Sea and the Atlantic, have a good day.

ooc: a simple misunderstanding

ic: "deathtalon snipers to command base:, we have a large battalion numbering roughly 800 warriors,between 10 and 20 support platforms, a few well flame throwers and misiile launchers coming our way as well, around 100 ifvs, what looks like howitzers as well and 10 large tanks coming our way, we'd better hurry up and get ready"
"message recieved,"captain nemoroin turns around to face the reapers
"Men!!. We have a battalion of Praetonians heading our way consisting of 800 warriors, many support platforms, 100 ifvs and 10 tanks.
We are heavily outnumbered! but with the glory of the king zenillio III.
we shall prevail as we speak the deathtalons are weakening the forces but we have an immensly hard fight on our hands.
We must stand our ground at all costs. I will radio in back up, we must hold untill it comes.
FOR GLORY!!!!"captain nemoroin informed the reapers
FOR THE GLORY OF RATRIONA WE WILL HOLD!!!"

And with that the reapers were forming in the trenches in with flame throwers at the front, assault rifles in the middle and missile launchers at the back. the flame throwers and the rocket launchers were evenly spread out due to there being more assault rifles.

Further up the battlefield the deathtalon snipers were beginning to fire upon the oncoming forces (10 sniper rounds (ie 1 each))

Public announcement by the Prime Nomad Guardian Jacob Israel
Head of Government of the United Nomadic Nations of Neo Cannen

"Citizens, I thank you for your expidant move to the emergency plan. All citzens of Ruben and Simion tribe are now safely underground. All others are now at their designated defence locations and safely in the provided bunkes. I thank you for your coperation in preparing for the oncoming threat. In our war to defend the people of Belgium, we are now well prepared for any attack by the Pratonainans. Our anti air emplacements have been placed thorught our nation along with Internal defence divisions of the army in place. We will not stand by and watch Belgium fall under the thumb of an opressive regieme. Here we will stand and here we stay. We will stop the Pratonians and Belgium will be free again"

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Praetonian Military High Command - Deep Under the Media Summitas Mountain Range

The room was blacked out and circular, surrounded by plasma screens showing all sorts of telemetary from various satellites and technical details gained during the attacks on the Praetonian Belgian fleet. Field Marshal of the Imperium Sir Gregorius Requesius, OPE, KI, GCI smiled. Neo Cannen had not chosen to accept his government's very reasonable terms, and now he would prove himself as a military leader. He had written much of the current Praetonian combat doctrine, but he had not yet won a war. Not a proper war. Praetonia didnt get into 'proper' wars.

"Excellent... excellent..." he said to himself. Neo Cannen had no satellites other than spy sats, and that meant no GPS guidance and no, he shuddered, ortillery... "My first job is practically done for me..." he continued, "General Polax! What do you think we should do?" He snapped. The other man, wearing a uniform in the brilliant colours of the Imperial Horseguards, started and gathered his thoughts. He had been staring blankly into the screens...

"Err... I, I would launch a massive aerial attack. Destroy their cities, destroy their industry. They will surrender," he said at last, "they are poor... they cannot have much in the way of aerial defences."

"They attacked our fleet... if they had launched stand off missiles instead of napalm they could have destroyed our fleet. They must invest most of their military budget in their airforce. We should attack with a large number of bombers, say five hundred, and a suitable long-range fighter escort. We will have them fly high, to avoid Stinger and other such hand-held missiles as well as anti-air guns. And what should we load the bombs with, General?"

"Well... explosives I presume," the other Generals snorted.

"Indeed, General, indeed, but we shall also load in a few parachute bombs full of locust, potato blight, that sort of thing... once they start to run out of food they shall capitulate. We are not interested in killing civilians - it achieves nothing - we shall carpet their industrial quarters. THey will have nothing with which to make their war. Make the preparations, General."

"Yes, sir," he said, snapping to attention.

OOC: Im not going to post them taking off, just move right on to your defence.

The bombers were sighted on sattalite by the airforce command. Of couse the air defenses had a plan. They were well camoflaged into the sand. All their surfaces had been sealed so they wouldnt get clogged by the sand, and there was sand piled all over them. The bases lined the border and went inside the border too. The word was given and the positions were ready

The five hundred bombers were huge. They carried a load similar to that of the B-52, and sported five 12.7mm CIWS style turrets. They also carried a considerable store of chaff and flares as well as air-to-air missiles and ULREMP (Ultra-Long Range ElectroMagnetic Pulse) missiles. The Praetonian military didnt really believe in this technology, and so few were carried, but they had managed to knock out a few missiles in the Neo Cannite attack on Belgium, so it was decided that one or two were worth having.

Flying alongside the bombers were over two hundred supersonic fighters. They were cruising to slower than usual to just keep up with the bombers, but they were read to break away as soon as enemy fighters were detected. They passed over into Neo Cannite airspace and awaited the inevitable responce...

Praetonian Military High Command - Deep Under the Media Summitas Mountain Range

A dispatch ran into the Command Room in which the Field Marshal was still standing, monitoring the progress of his planes, "Sir! Important news - the Neo Cannites have GPS satellites. Approximately 20 satellites in total."

"I see... well this changes things entirely. Tell IPSDC to launch an ASAT strike. At least four missiles per satellite approaching as fast as possible - SCRAMjets - from different directions. I want as much of that network taken out as possible."

"Yes, sir!"

The first battery of SAM sites rose from their position and fired a wave of missiles into the path of the oncoming bombers. When their proximity sensors went off, there was a long hissing noise comming from each of them. Then they exploded, sending a cloud of liquid hrydgoen into the air, around sevearl of the bombers. The SAM sites then fired a long range flare, igniting the cloud.
As the first wave fired several of these rounds went off. The SAM sites began launching conventional missiles at the planes. Another speical weapon was being prepared as well, it was all to come.

OOC: The way these missiles work is that in there centre is a canister of compressed air. When the remote trigger goes off, the canister is overpresurised with a pump and causes the missile to explode. Around the canister of air however is a canister of liquid oxygen. The compressed air spreads the liquid oxygen over a consideable area.

Although an unexpected response from the Imperium has silenced Republic of Taiwanese Islands officials for quite some time, with an agressive expansion programme of his armed forces underway, Secretary of Defense Alex Chan came out of hiding to face the press.

"We must insist that free referendums be held for the Belgium people...... I believe it shall be the policy of this government to support these people from attempted armed subjugation from outside force."

When asked about Taiwanese Island intentions as its forces closed in on Belgium previously, Chan replied:

"Naturally, it is in our nature to help those in need. Since the situation looked so perilous, we must support whatever decisions the Belgium people make. Our Air Force is now on alert and can deliver devastating blows to any forces in the area."

As Chan hurried off the stage, reporters noted the fact that he was avoiding their questions.

To: Taiwanese Islands
Subject: Belgain War/North Atlantic

Please advise as to impact of the Belgain War on naval threats to Maryland territory and in North Atlantic outside of the English Channel and North Sea.

The West Cedarbrook Navy will join Taiwanese Islands Navy in patrols of North Atlantic to landfall in England if requested.

Yours in defense of a free North America

Louis Steinberg
President, Kramden of West Cedarbrook

To: Taiwanese Islands
Subject: Belgain War/North Atlantic

Please advise as to impact of the Belgain War on naval threats to Maryland territory and in North Atlantic outside of the English Channel and North Sea.

The West Cedarbrook Navy will join Taiwanese Islands Navy in patrols of North Atlantic to landfall in England if requested.

Yours in defense of a free North America

Louis Steinberg
President, Kramden of West Cedarbrook
OOC: Belgium is no where near America :/

IC: The liquid hydrogen sprayed into the air, but the planes were moving quickly and the liquid began to fall to earth and then it boiled, diffusing into the air. The flar fired into the Praetonian formation and detonated a small cloud of hydrogen, catching four planes in the centre of the cloud. They immediately caught fire and began to plummet slowly. The crews scrambled to get out. It was the fear of every airman, tanker and sailor to be caught in a burning vehicle, and several of the Praetonian Aircrew drew their pistols and eneded it themselves so they wouldnt have to risk the flames only to land possibly severely injured deep in enemy territory.

Another 6 planes on the edges of the hydrogen cloud suffered minor fires on the wing tips, but they were not able to destroy the planes before the speed of the planes sucked their oxygen supply away. Still, the six planes decided it would be best to turn back, and so they deposited their bomb loads in the Neo Cannite countryside, gained altitude and increased speed to maximum. The other planes carried on as normal, although they spread out a little more for fear of being caught in another cloud.

OOC: NC post losses to my ASAT attack, please.

IC: "Sir, I see something in the trees," whispered a soldier in the advanced party of the Praetonian force advancing on the Ratrionian positions.

"I think I see it too," replied his Lieutenant cautiously. Suddenly, a crackle of gunfire broke the near silence, and four of the men in their eight man squad fell, "Get down!" He shouted, and the surviving squad members hit the ground and fired 20mm HE shells from their OICW style rifles, before laying down a hail of supressive 5.56mm fire.

Their Mercury IFV advanced to deal with the trouble, and opened fire with 30mm cannon and 7.62mm chainguns on the enemy, firing off smoke grenades as it went.

To: Taiwanese Islands
Subject: Belgain War/North Atlantic

Please advise as to impact of the Belgain War on naval threats to Maryland territory and in North Atlantic outside of the English Channel and North Sea.

The West Cedarbrook Navy will join Taiwanese Islands Navy in patrols of North Atlantic to landfall in England if requested.

Yours in defense of a free North America

Louis Steinberg
President, Kramden of West Cedarbrook

OOC: um.... what impacts?

IC:
To: West Cedarbrook
From: Commonwealth Foreign Ministory

Taiwanese Islands sincerely thanks West Cedarbrook for their aid in this hour of need. Words fail to express our grateful emoptions.

More importantly, from this we believe that our two nations share a common interest in North America. To this end we propose a Pact of North American States, to safe guard our great land from further exploitations and expansions by foreign powers.

If you agree, the Commonwealth has already drafted some terms for this new alliance. Please take a look a them and inform us of your opinions.

Highest Regards,
Commonwealth Congress of Taiwanese Islands

TBA anouncement

As of 0500 hours this morning Daileyian time all TBA Troops have been ordered to mobilize at the request of Neo Cannen. Resons are we protect the National Soverign Rights of all Nations.

Also the Royal Alpha Bregade of the Holy Empire of Dailey has been rederected From our training grounds and ordered to head towards the batle zone

Priority Telegram to Dailey

If you enter this war the Democratic Imperium will be forced to call in allies
much more powerful than you. We will be willing to reimburse you for your
mobolisation to the sum of $50bn, but if you persist with this action then you
may find it is not just Belgium that is losing her national sovereignty.

OOC: NC - can you post a little more often? I know you'd rather spend time gathering allies, but this war must move along...

EDIT: Where are your troops going? If the planes try to fly over Belgium I'll shoot them down - NC has nothing there.

OOC: You have allies more powerful than the entire TBA! Impressive. I would like to see that.

The first assult met with only limited sucess, but fortunetly it was not designed to destroy the entireity of the bombarding attack force. Unbeknown to the Pratonian bombers, their planes were now laced with radioactive isotopes that the SAMs could track. The second attack was now being planned. Aproximately 150 SAMs were launched at the oncoming planes. These then slowed down when they reached their targets and activated electromagnets on their sides, clamping themselves to the planes. They then detonated a C4 charge that not only would cause severe damage to the plane itself. It also was packed with fine graphite, which would, on contact with the planes electical systems, cause them to short circut and fall from the sky. With no computer systems to regulate the jets, the engines would fail and the planes crash.

TBA is pulling out

Neo Cannen TBA has adverted a war that would criple the alliance We have a problem and that is Praetonia has allies in our alliance so draging this war out will only split the alliance in half.

Neo TBA will be paying Pratonia for the ship you blew up and you will be givin a dept to the alliance of the price of that ship and 25 million crowns for the price of the TBA fleets to mobilize.

Other then that if you choose to continue to attack Pratonia you will be on your own. TBA will not put it's integrety in danger.

Official Statement, Imperial Government

We thank the TBA for seeing sense. We will make no further agressive moves. It should be noted, however, that if Neo Cannen attacks again we will renew our war effort against them.

"Incoming missiles, sir," came a call from the lead plane's radar operator.

"Launch countermeasures..." replied the Air Commodore, listening to the 0.50cal plane-CIWS guns rattling outside. Many of the missiles were hit, distracted, missed or failed to achieve the complex docking maneuver, but several hit. Twenty four planes exploded as the C4 detonated, and a further twenty three were caught in the shower of graphite dust, causing them to lose electronics and force them to drop their bomb load and turn back under conventional navigation.

The bombers were, however, approaching the Neo Cannite capital, and they were preparing to loose their considerable bomb loads...

The Bomber squadron was aproching the capital. Neo Cannen was rapidly runing low on options. There was one last weapon to be used. Hopefully it would slow them down enough for the time being. The Neo Cannite air force launched a recomposed Vertigo Squadron of 12 fighters. The plan was bold. Some might say fool hardy. But if all went well, it should work. The planes were comming to the rear of the bomber squadron and began firing conventional missiles. Meanwhile General Saul opened a discussion with Prime Nomad Guardien Jacob Israel and they enacted an emergency stratigic plan should something like this happen again.

The bombers too were armed with missiles. They weren't exactly dogfighters, but they didnt even need to change course. The Javelin AAM had a full 720 degree sphere of fire. Each of the bombers under attack fired several missiles, for a total of fourty. Meanwhile the bobmers were still encroaching on the city, and the forward of the formation had begun dropping their massive ordnance.

The Vertigo Squadron scattered, although Vertigo 4, 5 and 9 were too late and were taken out. Vertigo 6 was lucky, and only lost automatic guidence from a near miss. The missile had flown almost strait over his cockpit. The others had moved off to the underside of the bombers to fire from there. Each one began offloading micro dumbfire missiles which they had been desinged to carry sevearl of. After that they opened their railguns. It was now all or nothing. Meanwhile on the ground. The module buildings had oppened up to reveal a mass of civilain and army units equiped with stingers and flack batteries. The entire city had been turned into one big anti air battery. The bombers had taken out a chunk of the outskirts of the city but they wouldnt be able to make it all the way in. Causluty reports so far indicated that 130 men had been lost in the first attack. It worked well. The flack and missile fire was spectacularly thick. This was the plan that Saul had come up with after the attack by the Generic Empire a few years ago. They had needed a solid anti air wall for Ruben tribe and now they had it.

The bombers' CIWS began firing, but they were not particularly effective against dumb-fire rockets at such close range and eight of the bombers quickly went down. More and more bombers were opening up their bomb-bays, sending thousands of HE and incdenary bombs raining onto the Neo Cannite capital, luckily now filled with people.

"Fire at the planes! The planes!" Shotued the Commander of the lead plane, gesturing at the CIWS guns rattling on the outside fuselage. The close in Neo Cannite fighters were perfect prey for the radar-guided chainguns, which began switching targets across the whole formations. More missiles were fired off at the enemy fighters.

The troops in the city below then began firing, and three bombers crashed into the city below. The Praetonians left had no sympathy for them - they were flying too low if they could be hit by AAA and Stingers. Many of the lead bombers had now completed their runs, and increased speed and height now that their bomb laods were empty...

Fire engulfed the streets of Ruben Pride. Fire units were dispached from the bunkers as fast as was possible. Fortunetly the modular buldings were designed to deal with extreme heat as they were in the middle of a desert. However that did not stop the high explosive ripping apart a quater of the south side of the city. The fighters were not doing so well. Only three were left now. They pulled out of range of the chain guns and began flying low, where the bombers could not reach them. They then pulled up fast and each prepared for a final act of defiance. They charged head long into diffrent areas of the flight of bombers. Their specilatly was countermesures and so thats what they fired.

"Those bloody planes!" Shouted the Air Commodore, slamming his fist onto the dashboard thing, "take them down! Everyone!"

At least fourty more missiles now shot from the planes, as did several of the EMP missiles, which were programmed now to explode just above the ground to cause more confusion inside the city. There were enough explosives dropped in a ring around the city to surround and engulf it in a firestorm. Most of the bombers had now finished their runs, and were turning back.

The planes contined to fire their countermesures, keeping up the run as long as they could. When they were in range, they detonated their EMP missiles. Their systems were shielded, so they could pilot their planes to the next move. They then proceded to slam their planes into the nearest bombers they could find, taking them down with them.

Once the planes were hit by missiles, they exploded. There was no other possiblity. No one can dodge that many missiles. Suprisingly, one of the Neo Cannite planes did, and slammed into a bomber, also destroying three nearby with EMP. By this stage, however, multiple tonnes of explosives had been dropped and the Neo Cannite capital was ablaze. The Praetonian bombers were on their way home, and those that had broken off early were already outside Cannite airspace.