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The Holy Empire of Albinoism has started the development of a new type of weapon. Not just any weapon, but one that is fully autonomis and highly advanced.

CA-23 Robot

Weapons: Two General Electric 50-caliber depleted uranium miniguns capable of firing 950 rounds per minute, for superior fire power. Like the Navy’s Phalanx systems mounted on aircraft carriers, the guns are directed by a sophisticated onboard suite of radar, infrared, and optical sensors.

Sensors: The CA-23 is capable of identifying and eliminating multiple targets, using auditory, radar, heat and motion sensors. Also includes a laser beam targeting system mounted inside the 'head'. Mine detection sensor is included in the area between the tracks.

Construction: The CA-23 is constructed with a reinforced structure to provide great strength and durability. However, all of it’s internal mechanics are not covered by this structure and are thus vulnerable to attack. In particular, the CA-23’s head and neck assembly is relatively weak and exposed, as are its extended arms and exposed wiring. Usually deployed in a crouched, compact position, the CA-23 will rise up, deploying its weapons, until it stands approximately eight feet tall - an imposing sight on the battlefield.

Mobility: The CA-23 unique tracked multiple wheels give the CA-23 superior grip and manuverability over loose rubble and uneven terrain combined with the speed that wheel traversal brings. This makes them very versatile, and excellent for deployment into nearly any form of environment. As can be seen below, the track arrangement makes for a very stable and secure base.

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Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Is anyone even going to look at this thread?

Anyone?

.........................hello?

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Impressive man! I imagine those things would be lethal in urban combat. I loved those HKs in the films (except they were about 50m tall :))

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Impressive man! I imagine those things would be lethal in urban combat. I loved those HKs in the films (except they were about 50m tall :))

Me too! I created them with an urban environment in mind. I am working on creating Aerials also.

OOC: You might want to give them an active defense against LAWs and the like, just a thought mind.

OOC: You might want to give them an active defense against LAWs and the like, just a thought mind.

Why don't you join me in this project. We can both share the rewards evenly.

ooc: I can help, my nation has extensive experience in robotics.

ooc: I can help, my nation has extensive experience in robotics.

Welcome aboard!

Anyone else have any advice or such?

OOC: I'd certainly love to help. My nation is near-Modern, but I don't think any of this looks too space tech. We make a lot of targetting and control boards (I somehow think a big education budget plus no drug laws would produce some rather nice algorithms) - in fact we sold one to Lord Ganja for a similar purpose. If you and MassPwnage can work out the fiddley bits Slaytanicca can certainly do all the AI and targetting, enemy profiling, IFF and the like. We can also donate our ERA or ballistics-based missile defense, and cash, workers, research labs and the like to the project.

Interesting! Would this model ever be up for public sale?

OOC: I'd certainly love to help. My nation is near-Modern, but I don't think any of this looks too space tech. We make a lot of targetting and control boards (I somehow think a big education budget plus no drug laws would produce some rather nice algorithms) - in fact we sold one to Lord Ganja for a similar purpose. If you and MassPwnage can work out the fiddley bits Slaytanicca can certainly do all the AI and targetting, enemy profiling, IFF and the like. We can also donate our ERA or ballistics-based missile defense, and cash, workers, research labs and the like to the project.

Agreed. Can't wait to get started on the next model.

Interesting! Would this model ever be up for public sale?

I was thinking of it. Maybe in a couple of days. I'll keep you notified.

Very impressive.

OOC: If you still need help, I could wire you 250 millions voyagers ( 282,550,000 USD) upon confirmation. This is, of course, if we share benefits, depending on the funding we give. Suggest a percentage that you would give me for all sales in the next 20 NS years. If I judge this percentage high enough, I will wire you the money. By the way, if this project is succesfull, could you send me 2 of them, so I can try them? thanks!

OOC: If you still need help, I could wire you 250 millions voyagers ( 282,550,000 USD) upon confirmation. This is, of course, if we share benefits, depending on the funding we give. Suggest a percentage that you would give me for all sales in the next 20 NS years. If I judge this percentage high enough, I will wire you the money. By the way, if this project is succesfull, could you send me 2 of them, so I can try them? thanks!

11% We still have to work out some bugs, but as soon as we have them perfected I will sen two of them to you.

OOC: I'd certainly love to help. My nation is near-Modern, but I don't think any of this looks too space tech. We make a lot of targetting and control boards (I somehow think a big education budget plus no drug laws would produce some rather nice algorithms) - in fact we sold one to Lord Ganja for a similar purpose. If you and MassPwnage can work out the fiddley bits Slaytanicca can certainly do all the AI and targetting, enemy profiling, IFF and the like. We can also donate our ERA or ballistics-based missile defense, and cash, workers, research labs and the like to the project.

OOC: He put a load of weaknesses in, pluys its gonna be really costly Im guessing. It's feasible in MT providing these (ie they are tougher and have tonnes fo firepower but as they arent uber tech wont be as fast at aiming as a human etc, but would be useful for certain situations. Just to illustrate what I mean I will order a few IC, my power armoured troops could tear it apart ina straight scrap (and a re probably a bit cheaper) but they have men inside, which means they cant be used as cannon fodder or anything whereas this can be used for suicide attacks and so on. Flying units might be very fragile (only marginannly tugher than a man), but fast and deadly.

Which means welcome to the post modern era, with the right weapons any MT army can beat you, but they have to work that much harder. :)

IC: Notquiteaplace could see roles for these including working in high radiation and high risk environments as well as suicide missions and would order 50 funds permitting, we would also order 5 every year to replace damaged or old units and allow new upgraded models to be bought easily.

My nation, as well as all of Pax Enemy Zero is very interested in this project, but have a few minor concerns.
1: What type of drive/propulsion system does this system use?
2. Does it operate independently after combat deployment, or is it controlled via remote?
3. If independent, how does it refuel?
4. Will we see a future model that includes armoring added to the exposed areas?
5. Is there any type of shielding from EMP weapons systems?
6. What is the proposed production rate of the individual units?

If any other concerns come to mind I will be sure to ask, the top scientists of my region are working over these current questions, thinking up suggestions of how to improve upon this already amazing design.

OOC: most modern equipment is heavily EMP sheilded and as it is a robot im sure they have stretched exisitng technology to it's limits to sheild it.

ooc: I was thinking, would it be feasible to use either hydrogen or fusion as a power source?

ooc: I was thinking, would it be feasible to use either hydrogen or fusion as a power source?
OOC: Fusion would be cool, but out of my tech range. If you go for that I'll just make mine electric :)

ooc: electric has a poor power output to weight ratio though. I would suggest a hydrogen cell or hybrid engine for max power output.

My nation, as well as all of Pax Enemy Zero is very interested in this project, but have a few minor concerns.
1: What type of drive/propulsion system does this system use?
2. Does it operate independently after combat deployment, or is it controlled via remote?
3. If independent, how does it refuel?
4. Will we see a future model that includes armoring added to the exposed areas?
5. Is there any type of shielding from EMP weapons systems?
6. What is the proposed production rate of the individual units?

If any other concerns come to mind I will be sure to ask, the top scientists of my region are working over these current questions, thinking up suggestions of how to improve upon this already amazing design.

1: It has a hydrogen fuel cell.
2: It operates independently.
3: Doesn't need to refuel because of hydrogen fuel cell.
4: We are currently working on adding plateing to the exposed areas.
5: Yes it is shielded.
6: We are hopeing 6 a day for now. Later it may be higher.

14 billion for production rights.

Thanks for your generous offer of the percentage of the sales. However, my country is in the modern area, so I would like if you could create 2 models: one independent, and one remote controlled. If you do it this way, you can be sure many more countries will be interested, since they dont have to be post-modern if they want to buy one.

OOC: Hydrogen cells need refueling too. I know it's possible to electrolyse hydrogen but I cant remember well enough how and what else is created. It would be clean though. With no emissions beyond heat.

my country has many auto manufacturing plants that have been out of business for the last two or three years...these could be easily converted to manufacture your product, combine that with the cheap labor that is readily available, it could be a winning combination.

Thanks for your generous offer of the percentage of the sales. However, my country is in the modern area, so I would like if you could create 2 models: one independent, and one remote controlled. If you do it this way, you can be sure many more countries will be interested, since they dont have to be post-modern if they want to buy one.

Agreed.

my country has many auto manufacturing plants that have been out of business for the last two or three years...these could be easily converted to manufacture your product, combine that with the cheap labor that is readily available, it could be a winning combination.

Great idea! Let's do it.

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With all of this stuff it can do wouldn't you think that it would have problems with overheating? I mean, 3,000 rounds per minute!

With all of this stuff it can do wouldn't you think that it would have problems with overheating? I mean, 3,000 rounds per minute!

Yeah, I know. Still thinking of a way to fix that. Any ideas?

Ever hear of heat sinks?

I'm also working on a new type of experimental plasma round. It will be slightly larger, but will have a built-in rapid heat-absorbing substance.

Ever hear of heat sinks?

Not really. Tell me about them, would you?

Armament: AT4 Rockets, or a .50 caliber version of a minigun, or a 7.62mm minigun with 12,000 rounds of ammunition or stinger missiles. Should be modular to allow easy change outs.

If we can pull it off the rounds should be able to take the majority of the heat from the cannons.

I'm also working on a new type of experimental plasma round. It will be slightly larger, but will have a built-in rapid heat-absorbing substance.

I like it.

These are some great ideas people.

Heat sinks are used to lead heat away from major areas of a machine and store it away. It works byt the natural path heat takes from hotter areas to cooler ones.

I'm already trying to use the rounds in blaster rifles.

Heat sinks are used to lead heat away from major areas of a machine and store it away. It works byt the natural path heat takes from hotter areas to cooler ones.

Lets install some then.

As i said their experimental and it will be very hard to find a subtance that can work at the firing rate that you're trying for. We might want to slow down the firing rate a tad, plus at that speed the rounds could easily get jammed in the barrel.

As i said their experimental and it will be very hard to find a subtance that can work at the firing rate that you're trying for. We might want to slow down the firing rate a tad, plus at that speed the rounds could easily get jammed in the barrel.

Understood. I have slowed down the rate of fire. Look on the original post to see currant rate.

I noticed that you changed it to 2,500/minute. Personally the fastest firing I've ever seen from a single cannon was about 10/second.

But i suppose we could try to push it a little. ;)

It's experimental anyway. If it doesn't work than we will change it.

Agreed, I,ll try to find some efficient substances.

USE.
MINIGUN.
I would suggest a minigun in .338 Lapua or something of that nature.

I could help with the aerial version, we've had great sucess with our PC series of unmaned aerial combat systems (PC-8 has sucessfully survived combat situation and aquitted itself well, PC-12 soon to go into full military production)My main suggestion is tactical units, our PC-1 through PC-4 experimental UACS (Unmaned aerial combat systems) worked well as individuals but with series five and six especially we found that distributing the control systems over multiple (four is optimal) units that combat efficiency increased exponentially, as there was more room for advanced circuitry and units could more easily coordinate in combat situations. I'd also like to know some more detailed specs. (height, width, length, weight, ammunition capacity, unit life and the like)

Offering some insight to one issue and raising a new concern that you may want to research.
With proper cryogenic treating, your gun barrels you should be able to obtain a high rate of fire, much less than 4000 rounds/min but still a very formidable number. Cryogenic treatment will afford a longer life to your gun barrels and minimize wear. It has also been proven that cryogenic treatment increases gun barrel accuracy, combined with the AI targeting of the weapon, this would be a lethal mixture.
We have facilities that could accomodate the cryogenic treatment of these parts and would be happy to accept the contract to perform the work.
My second point would be directed to the design team. Considering the size of the weapon, what is the carrying capacity for ammunition? Would you not have issues with resupply on the battlefield? Firing 2000+ rounds/min consumes a large quantity of ammunition that may not be feasable to carry due to space and weigh constraints. Just some food for thought.

Regards,
Johan Strack
Chief Engineer
New Ciritis Engineering Consortium

The new generation boards from Psychodyne use "true" neural network chips rather than simulating networks on a Turing machine. The chips are "grown" in tanks by nanomachines, and taught and tested on the die. The result is calculations which are far faster and less prone to error. Although a slow batch process is used in production, we have lines producing the most versatile chips efficiently and with fairly constant output. I will put you in touch with the chairman of Psychodyne Systems; hopefully their work will be acceptable, and either existing or custom boards can be of use to your project.

Many thanks,
Jeff C Gorevomit, Slaytanicca

The new generation boards from Psychodyne use "true" neural network chips rather than simulating networks on a Turing machine. The chips are "grown" in tanks by nanomachines, and taught and tested on the die. The result is calculations which are far faster and less prone to error. Although a slow batch process is used in production, we have lines producing the most versatile chips efficiently and with fairly constant output. I will put you in touch with the chairman of Psychodyne Systems; hopefully their work will be acceptable, and either existing or custom boards can be of use to your project.

Many thanks,
Jeff C Gorevomit, Slaytanicca


Awsome.

We extend the same offer we did to Lord Ganja; our nation is reluctant to give exclusive production rights, but we can produce an equivalent board with varied architechture and algorithms to differentiate your model with "off the shelf" types, to ensure security.


OOC: In the words of Doctor Hacknslash - "Don't thank me, thank science!" A two trillion education budget isn't totally useless, heheh.

Being that I am not too familiar with your design, but it looks as if it has a relatively high center of gravity, which in an urban combat environment could make it, while not susceptible to destruction to... being knocked over, and thus ineffective. But again, I don't know the actual design and I could be way way off. Not when crouched, but when I think I read 8 ft. tall.

A very interesting idea that if successful would fit a very interesting niche. I wish I could provide more help.

Offering some insight to one issue and raising a new concern that you may want to research.
With proper cryogenic treating, your gun barrels you should be able to obtain a high rate of fire, much less than 4000 rounds/min but still a very formidable number. Cryogenic treatment will afford a longer life to your gun barrels and minimize wear. It has also been proven that cryogenic treatment increases gun barrel accuracy, combined with the AI targeting of the weapon, this would be a lethal mixture.
We have facilities that could accomodate the cryogenic treatment of these parts and would be happy to accept the contract to perform the work.
My second point would be directed to the design team. Considering the size of the weapon, what is the carrying capacity for ammunition? Would you not have issues with resupply on the battlefield? Firing 2000+ rounds/min consumes a large quantity of ammunition that may not be feasable to carry due to space and weigh constraints. Just some food for thought.

Regards,
Johan Strack
Chief Engineer
New Ciritis Engineering Consortium

I don't think we will need to load too much ammo on to the units. I don't expect them to be fireing for a full minute anyway. I believe it would be more of a burst like fire.

Being that I am not too familiar with your design, but it looks as if it has a relatively high center of gravity, which in an urban combat environment could make it, while not susceptible to destruction to... being knocked over, and thus ineffective. But again, I don't know the actual design and I could be way way off. Not when crouched, but when I think I read 8 ft. tall.

A very interesting idea that if successful would fit a very interesting niche. I wish I could provide more help.

The disign has a large bottom to compesate for this. I know what you mean though, I thought the same thing. Actually the picture isn't the best because it is front view, but the bottom is lager than it apears.

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OOC: Very nice...but...uh-hum...what if i just have one of my fighters take out a dozen of those from the air? You should make two types ofr robots, one for ground and one for AA. Then just mix them into units together.

OOC: Very nice...but...uh-hum...what if i just have one of my fighters take out a dozen of those from the air? You should make two types ofr robots, one for ground and one for AA. Then just mix them into units together.

I am working on that right now. I am trying to create a unit for AA and I am also trying to create an aerial unit to protect these units.

[OOC: To allow them to work as AA units, why not simply allow the weapons to have a very high Maximum Angle of Elevation? Not incredibly effective, but it might do the job against older aircraft (And, of course, it would rip apart simple propellor aircraft or *Snicker* gliders....).

Also, for a dedicated AA type, you could simply remove the 'wings', and add an AA gun to the back of the robot (This all depends on wether it can carry such extra weight), allowing it to effectively target most aerial threats. (It wouldn't really work well on Jets, but missiles wouldn't have much of an ammo supply (At most, 2 or 3), so it wouldn't really work to well. And, on the plus side, an AA gun works effectively on ground targets as well).

And so, there's a non-experts opinion.]

[OOC: To allow them to work as AA units, why not simply allow the weapons to have a very high Maximum Angle of Elevation? Not incredibly effective, but it might do the job against older aircraft (And, of course, it would rip apart simple propellor aircraft or *Snicker* gliders....).

Also, for a dedicated AA type, you could simply remove the 'wings', and add an AA gun to the back of the robot (This all depends on wether it can carry such extra weight), allowing it to effectively target most aerial threats. (It wouldn't really work well on Jets, but missiles wouldn't have much of an ammo supply (At most, 2 or 3), so it wouldn't really work to well. And, on the plus side, an AA gun works effectively on ground targets as well).

And so, there's a non-experts opinion.]

Interesting idea. I'll have to think of that. Thanks!

I've been thinking about substanses that would work for your ideas and I think I have a few:

1.liquid nitrogen(will work to absorb heat but i'm afraid that it would compleatly freeze up the bolts)
2.A hyper-chilled carbon(it would work very well in absorbing heat but if it gets too hot it could greatly expand and blow up the bolt causing it to jam in the barrel)

I've been thinking about substanses that would work for your ideas and I think I have a few:

1.liquid nitrogen(will work to absorb heat but i'm afraid that it would compleatly freeze up the bolts)
2.A hyper-chilled carbon(it would work very well in absorbing heat but if it gets too hot it could greatly expand and blow up the bolt causing it to jam in the barrel)

The carbon would probably be the better choice. Agree?

As an investor, I think that you should simply lower the rate of fire to a quite low rate. It would greatly help you because it would eliminate those problems:
-overheating;
-the whole "how to get the miniguns cooler" issue;
-It would get the robot more efficient, since even if you shoot during half a second, you would still shoot 21 bullets, wich is way too high, considering that it take 1 to kill or injure severely a soldier.

It would be way easier to lower the rate of fire then to find answers to those questions.

Ine Telligent, Chief of the commision assignated to the CA-23, Beta Centaury

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would be extremely interested in aquiring production rights for the CA-23 once a final design is settled upon.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

It's absolutely brillient. Brillient I say. But can we assure that this new type of weapon won't back fire and turn on it's commanders and soon on it's country forcing us to launch a major force to stop it.

The Wrath of Heaven

The Federation of Althis is interested in purchasing some of the final products when completed. Do you have a price range yet?

We are also willing to invest 5 billion into the creating of this product.

-Dictator Tarr

Maybe you can install some sort of self destruct mechanism that can be remotly activated only at a certain place, with a certain password?

In addition to my earlier questions (dimensions, weight, ammunition capacity) I would also like to know the durability of this system, how would it stand up in these condidtions;
gritty, sandy, windy desert deployments (sand and grit can get in joints and exposed areas to quickly wear away vital systems and joints)
long term deployment in damp rainy, climates (the dampness can erode joints, bearings, armor and other vital systems)
river fording (how water proof/resistant is it and to what depth)
target rich envirnonments (how capable is it at determing freind from foe, can it be spoofed or made to think a friend is a foe and vice versa. how does it determine targets, can it be programmed to take out officers first, if so, how)
capture (if it is somehow captured, can it be re programed to work for your enemies, will it self destruct, how will it determine that it has been captured, how will it self destruct, a simple mother board fry or an elaborate shrapnellating deonation)

It's absolutely brillient. Brillient I say. But can we assure that this new type of weapon won't back fire and turn on it's commanders and soon on it's country forcing us to launch a major force to stop it.

The Wrath of Heaven

I am working on a fail-safe portocol. I will install it into every unit. It will be unable to turn on us, and even if they do I will send a sequence that will shut them down.

In addition to my earlier questions (dimensions, weight, ammunition capacity) I would also like to know the durability of this system, how would it stand up in these condidtions;
gritty, sandy, windy desert deployments (sand and grit can get in joints and exposed areas to quickly wear away vital systems and joints)
long term deployment in damp rainy, climates (the dampness can erode joints, bearings, armor and other vital systems)
river fording (how water proof/resistant is it and to what depth)
target rich envirnonments (how capable is it at determing freind from foe, can it be spoofed or made to think a friend is a foe and vice versa. how does it determine targets, can it be programmed to take out officers first, if so, how)
capture (if it is somehow captured, can it be re programed to work for your enemies, will it self destruct, how will it determine that it has been captured, how will it self destruct, a simple mother board fry or an elaborate shrapnellating deonation)

I plan on flying these into enemy territory so they don't have to travel too far. Also the unit can go into 'economy mode' in which it shuts down all non essential systems. This means that it could be told to go to a city 10 miles away. It will go into economy mode in which it will only have threat assesment and navigation activated and the tracks will be moving. As soon as a threat is percieved the unit goes into 'combat mode' in which it is 100% opperational. I don't think I will use them in any kind of junge or forest setting because it will be so crowded that the CA-23 would be useless anyway. If captured the people who are monitering the system will send an encoded message that causes the units to explode by overloading the fuel cells with massive amounts of electricity. I am still working on the target identification.

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Oh! One thing! How well will these things deal with landmines? Will they basically just become expensive ways of clearing mines, or do they have any way of detecting landmines? Also, if they don't have a way of detecting 'em, do you intend to include it?

Oh! One thing! How well will these things deal with landmines? Will they basically just become expensive ways of clearing mines, or do they have any way of detecting landmines? Also, if they don't have a way of detecting 'em, do you intend to include it?

You bring up a very interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. I guess I should create a sensor to detect land mines. Thanks!

what about deserts? its said that sand damage killed more Apaches in desert storm than the entire Iraqi military establishment, its a real threat to mechanical systems, we have an alloy thatis used in ourfast attack ground vehicles and in ships that is virtually impervious to wear, its fairly light and strong (not unlike titanium alloy, only impervious to wear and corrosion) that would seem ideal for this system and we could be persuaded to part with the formula for limited production rights, or we could become the suplier for monetary compensation.

I don't think you ever mentioned this, but what is it made out of? We've made metals in the past they look down on titanium and weigh only 2x the amount titanium would weigh. We call it Iomun we use it for our robots. it's about $2.50 a pound.

what about deserts? its said that sand damage killed more Apaches in desert storm than the entire Iraqi military establishment, its a real threat to mechanical systems, we have an alloy thatis used in ourfast attack ground vehicles and in ships that is virtually impervious to wear, its fairly light and strong (not unlike titanium alloy, only impervious to wear and corrosion) that would seem ideal for this system and we could be persuaded to part with the formula for limited production rights, or we could become the suplier for monetary compensation.

Welcome aboard. Why not be the supplier for monetary compensation?

Hmm, another little question. Since it's designed for urban combat, can the robot see 360 degrees? If it can't, it'll be ambushed very easily by foes hiding behind cover 'till it (Or they, if there's more than one of the robots) pass, then just wiping them out before they can respond, since the enemy will have more than enough to to line up their shots, whilst the robots continue oblivious.

Also, on that note, why not give the robot an extremely light automatic weapon mounted on the top on a rotating turret for 360 degree fire? As mentioned above, it could be ambushed and destroyed, but with this turret, you can quickly lay down suppression fire to stop the enemy firing until the robot has turned to bring it's heavy weapons to bear, and since the turret will be...well, pathetic (Seriously, it just has to be something to make the enemy duck down.), it'll be extremely cheap. (Relatively speaking.)

Hmm, another little question. Since it's designed for urban combat, can the robot see 360 degrees? If it can't, it'll be ambushed very easily by foes hiding behind cover 'till it (Or they, if there's more than one of the robots) pass, then just wiping them out before they can respond, since the enemy will have more than enough to to line up their shots, whilst the robots continue oblivious.

Also, on that note, why not give the robot an extremely light automatic weapon mounted on the top on a rotating turret for 360 degree fire? As mentioned above, it could be ambushed and destroyed, but with this turret, you can quickly lay down suppression fire to stop the enemy firing until the robot has turned to bring it's heavy weapons to bear, and since the turret will be...well, pathetic (Seriously, it just has to be something to make the enemy duck down.), it'll be extremely cheap. (Relatively speaking.)

The machine is able to turn 360 degrees and has a very quick response time. If it is being shot at it will turn towards where the firing is coming from and scan the area for any life forms. It will then conclude if what it found is friend or foe. If foe it will eliminate the threat quickly and effeciently.

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I laugh at your machine. Although sophisticated, it is stupid because you built it Albinoism.

[OOC: Yeah yeah, flame elsewhere. You'll notice Albinoism started this topic to showcase his new robot design, as well as improve and modify it with input from the International Community. Notice the lack of the phrase 'And be flamed by 2 year olds' on that sentence?]

lets say, 5USD per pound (manufactured) or about 2.50 USD per pound blank (special manufacturing equipment required, 10,000 USD per unit)

Hello, im sure this is a misunderstanding.. but could you please check the second to last item in my storefront (link is in my signature below)?

This is my idea, and I am requesting the credit and profits you may have attained so far for this item. Im sorry for this inconvenience, but the item has been in my storefront since I first made it and I have other nations that can vouch for this. Thank you.

Hello, im sure this is a misunderstanding.. but could you please check the second to last item in my storefront (link is in my signature below)?

This is my idea, and I am requesting the credit and profits you may have attained so far for this item. Im sorry for this inconvenience, but the item has been in my storefront since I first made it and I have other nations that can vouch for this. Thank you.

I am sorry for this mistake. I can't give you any profits because I haven't gotten any. I didn't know you had the same idea. I am probably going to change the picture so that I don't have to delete my work and so we don't have any confusions like this again. Sorry.

This is my idea, and I am requesting the credit and profits you may have attained so far for this item. Im sorry for this inconvenience, but the item has been in my storefront since I first made it and I have other nations that can vouch for this. Thank you.

Um, it's actually not your idea since it's the idea of someone at a film studio [and I can recall players using the future-model Ground Hunter Killers, and you're certainly not the first to use a tracked light bot with a pair of heavy guns] and 'first person to steal an idea from a movie' does not gain magical copyright on it.

Um, it's actually not your idea since it's the idea of someone at a film studio [and I can recall players using the future-model Ground Hunter Killers, and you're certainly not the first to use a tracked light bot with a pair of heavy guns] and 'first person to steal an idea from a movie' does not gain magical copyright on it.

[OOC:He's right you know. >.>]

Um, it's actually not your idea since it's the idea of someone at a film studio [and I can recall players using the future-model Ground Hunter Killers, and you're certainly not the first to use a tracked light bot with a pair of heavy guns] and 'first person to steal an idea from a movie' does not gain magical copyright on it.

But, it was my idea to sell it on here and thats why I do have rights to it. People sell real technology, and certain items on here..rights of which are retained to those people. It really has nothing to do with the fact that I got it from a movie, since most of the military equipment used on NS comes from RL. Me thinking of the idea to selling that particular item from some movie that half the people here may have not even seen makes it more original.

Anyway Albinoism's one is different then yours I have the description from your's
"This unique weapons platform was recently developed by The Cottonmouth's Multi-Armaments Corp. and was specifically designed for defense purposes. It has a built-in advanced AI unit which is able to be electronically programmed to engage general or specific targets. It uses a state-of-the-art Infra Red vision system which enables it to operate in complete darkness, as well as close in combat situations. It is armed with two GAU Miniguns which are directly linked to the bots sight and sensor system. Even though this robot has a good one and a half inches of armor, it is not recommended to put this advanced system up against enemy infantry divisions at close
quarters."
the relation to your's is miniguns and infra red. People sell M16s all the time and they never pay the original owner... If you make up the technology it's your's but not if you stole it from a movie... Like I could use Kill Zones soldiers modified them a bit and then changed their name but used the same picture it still would be kill zones soldiers intill you change it enough for the majority to agree with you...

Im not saying I didnt get this idea from a movie though. Theres no point in changing it because the only pics you can get to represent the bot are the actual pics from the movie. The whole point of it here is that it be very similiar if not the same as the robot in the movie so that people who have seen the movie can easily relate the robot in my storefront, to the looks and actions of the robot in the movie.

Official Statement from Tech-Com Corporation
"We are willing to provide the weapons(miniguns, machine guns, rockets) for this machine AND provide funding for it... all that we request is the design plans for the final version. The Red Tide Goverment would love to have these. We also have a question regarding design. Would a single model be able to mount different types of weapons on different 'arms'(IE a machine that has both a minigun and a rokcet launcher)?"

Me thinking of the idea to selling that particular item from some movie that half the people here may have not even seen makes it more original.
OOC: Woah. Anyone who's not seen Terminator and T2 - watch them you fools!

What about AI? Can it (beyond choosing between friend and foe) analyze the tactical situation at hand, rapidly determine threat levels, find multiple ways to achieve objectives, can change objectives on the fly etc.?

What about AI? Can it (beyond choosing between friend and foe) analyze the tactical situation at hand, rapidly determine threat levels, find multiple ways to achieve objectives, can change objectives on the fly etc.?
If Albinoism is using my boards, then yeah, it can.

OOC: Woah. Anyone who's not seen Terminator and T2 - watch them you fools!

Actually it was from Terminator 3 you moron.

Actually it was from Terminator 3 you moron.
What's that mate? I've not even seen it and I've seen these things (ground HKs). They're in the badass flashback scenes, and they're named in the arcade game. Don't be so quick to call people morons dude.

Uh.. you should go watch the movies again. The machines in the flashbacks are built by machines, the robot we are talking about here was built by the U.S. military and are showed only in Terminator 3.

Evidence (http://orionrobots.co.uk/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Terminator%20Hunter%20Killer)
sure, the ones before were huge. Yeah, looks like your right in a way as there were smaller versions in the third one.. but versions of the terminal badasses in the first two.

Uh.. you should go watch the movies again. The machines in the flashbacks are built by machines, the robot we are talking about here was built by the U.S. military and are showed only in Terminator 3.
I'm not watching the third one out of principle, and I don't give a damn what film the pic came from. The things were in the first two.

How is that evidence? Im not saying there werent robots in the T1 and T2 movies, im just saying they are not the one that was in T3, and indeed, they are not.

How is that evidence? Im not saying there werent robots in the T1 and T2 movies, im just saying they are not the one that was in T3, and indeed, they are not.
They look damn similar, especially seeing as there's nothing to compare to for scale. I fail to see how my comment proclaims me as a moron.
Anyways we should stop filling Albinoism's thread with drivel. Maybe we should start a "was The Cottonmouth right to flame Slaytanicca" thread or someshit.

OOC:Sigh... the ones in the first and second movies are the size of a house and have laser cannons... the ones we are talking about are just small enough to fit through a large doorway and have miniguns.

OOC:Sigh... the ones in the first and second movies are the size of a house and have laser cannons... the ones we are talking about are just small enough to fit through a large doorway and have miniguns.
I know. I believe a previous post I made proves I have and had this knowledge. First page in this thread.

How is that evidence? Im not saying there werent robots in the T1 and T2 movies, im just saying they are not the one that was in T3, and indeed, they are not.
Yeah, and you also said I was a moron.

OOC

Right, I'll do some designs for my boards, with their technologies and capabilities, and post a link here when I'm done. I'm thinking I'll do it here (http://s8.invisionfree.com/The_Axis_of_Apathy/index.php?showtopic=20).

TCm, if you want to continue this debate on why you were or were not justified in calling me a moron for recommending a couple of films I suggest we do it elsewhere. I'm not going to reply in kind but let's just say my opinion of you right now is pretty low.

OOC: Woah. Anyone who's not seen Terminator and T2 - watch them you fools!

This sarcasm is the only reason I called you a moron, I dont know why you are making such a big deal about it.. just take it. The point here is that this thread should be mine because this my my, NationStates idea. So you can respond or not respond I dont care.. you probably will considering how smartass you are. 'my opinion of you right now is pretty low.'... like I care?

P.S.~ The bots look nothing alike, btw.

This sarcasm is the only reason I called you a moron.
Dude I wasn't being sarcastic, but I can see how you though I was. My apologies.

I dont know why you are making such a big deal about it.. just take it.
Hell no. I put up with enough of this shit RL, a beauty of the internet is you can defend yourself without getting the shit kicked out of you. You call me a moron, and I'm bloody well going to defend myself.

The point here is that this thread should be mine because this my my, NationStates idea.
Naaaah, make an IC complaint if you want, but if someone happens to have seen the same film you can't really make them pull their thread down. Besides vertical-standing tracked robots like that are in all sorts of films, not just the Terminators. And they're pretty damn popular films (obviously you realise this to call me sarcastic)

So you can respond or not respond I dont care.. you probably will considering how smartass you are.
Dude, you have to be pretty convinced of your judgement to try and impose it on someone else, and the only one I see doing this is you.

'my opinion of you right now is pretty low.'... like I care?

I think I worked that one out for myself.

P.S.~ The bots look nothing alike, btw.
Oh aye, the same as the Alien Ressurection aliens look nothing like the ones from the first film. Honest mistake dude.

This sarcasm is the only reason I called you a moron, I dont know why you are making such a big deal about it.. just take it. The point here is that this thread should be mine because this my my, NationStates idea.

Nope. Best you can get is 'if you use this I'll ignore you.' First to steal an idea does not gain magical copyright / patent rights over it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Other%20stuff/reibann.gif

[OOC: Maybe i'm the only one not seeing this, but I can't seem to find anything on Cottonmouth's storefront that says ANY of his stuff is copyrighted? Am I just blind, or do we have a loophole here?]

Oooo... Slaytanicca posted, what I tell ya... j/k.. sorry I called you a moron and everything, I just didnt think this would backfire on my so much and I guess I overreacted. Sorry again.

GMC Military Arms, my first post here was very polite and he did kindly give me credit and whatnot, so im just gonna let it go from here.

Production rights for specialist items are retained to only the Cottonmouth civilian and military armament corportations. Please ask before you proceed to manufacture weapons of war sold in this storefront. Thank you.

Second Paragraph. Nice Rinceweed.

[OOC: Look, i'll sum up the differences here quickly (I had a post written up that went into detail of the differences, but IE managed to fuck it up as I posted it, so i'm having to redo it quickly).

First off, the sensors are different, since yours has Infra-Red, Alb's has Heat Sensors, Motions Sensors, Heat Sensors, a Mine Detector, and a Laser Targeting device.

Second, his mentions armor placement, features of the robot (The ability to 'stand'), etc. Yours mentions armor thickness and....well, that's it.

Third, his mentions the mobility of it, whereas yours leaves it to the imagination.

Fourth, although it's probably a mistake, his uses chainguns, not miniguns, and they are linked to Radar as well as the other sensors, whereas yours is only linked to the IR. (I'm assuming Alb's Radar is either not there, or was failed to be mentioned.)


See the differences?]

[OOC: Oh, and I think that's all the differences. If anyone else spots anymore, just tell me.]

[OOC: Look, i'll sum up the differences here quickly (I had a post written up that went into detail of the differences, but IE managed to fuck it up as I posted it, so i'm having to redo it quickly).

First off, the sensors are different, since yours has Infra-Red, Alb's has Heat Sensors, Motions Sensors, Heat Sensors, a Mine Detector, and a Laser Targeting device.

Second, his mentions armor placement, features of the robot (The ability to 'stand'), etc. Yours mentions armor thickness and....well, that's it.

Third, his mentions the mobility of it, whereas yours leaves it to the imagination.

Fourth, although it's probably a mistake, his uses chainguns, not miniguns, and they are linked to Radar as well as the other sensors, whereas yours is only linked to the IR. (I'm assuming Alb's Radar is either not there, or was failed to be mentioned.)


See the differences?]

[OOC: Oh, and I think that's all the differences. If anyone else spots anymore, just tell me.]

I meant miniguns. Sorry about that. Also the unit has radar, sorry about forgeting about that too. Cottenmouth won't get full credit because in the end this unit will be different from his in some major ways.

In the end maybe. Still the same picture as mine though.

In the end maybe. Still the same picture as mine though.

Ok. I have others anyway.

Oooo... Slaytanicca posted, what I tell ya... j/k.. sorry I called you a moron and everything, I just didnt think this would backfire on my so much and I guess I overreacted. Sorry again.
OOC: Nah, no worries, sorry for dragging it out this far. And I conciede I can be a fucking smartarse sometimes :D
With respect to the 'your picture' thing, Albinoism did post three pics, one of which you happened to use first. And he's not tealeafed your stats, he's doing all his own work. I can see how you might be hacked off though.

Alright, if they are miniguns, use a "slow" fire rate of 950 per minute per minigun and 6000 Rpm for laying down extreme covering fire.

Alright, if they are miniguns, use a "slow" fire rate of 950 per minute per minigun and 6000 Rpm for laying down extreme covering fire.

ok. Done. Also incase I didn't answer this the 'arms' will be interchangeble with other 'arms' that have rockets attached.

I'm worried about the feed for the miniguns. Realistically to keep a low centre of gravity the ammo should be stored in the base. How's it getting to the guns?
I love the idea of rockets by the way, a LAW could work wonders.

I'm worried about the feed for the miniguns. Realistically to keep a low centre of gravity the ammo should be stored in the base. How's it getting to the guns?
I love the idea of rockets by the way, a LAW could work wonders.

I'd suggest chain feeding em, the ammo can be stored in the base and fed up, through the body, into the arms and from thence into the guns, a little complicated and might have jamming problems. the other solution is have the chains go straight form where ammo is stored to the guns which leaves them exposed and might limit whatever independent movement the guns might be capable of.

BTW whats the turn radius and speed of this thing?

It can turn 180 degrees. I don't really know the speed yet.

The Holy Empire of Albinoism has started the development of a new type of weapon. Not just any weapon, but one that is fully autonomous and highly advanced.

We wish to offer plasma weaponry technology in exchange for more detailed plans for this machine.

Ok, anyway.....

360 turning, the ammo should be fed from the "torso area" . It's ok to make a high center of gravity as long as the base is wide.

I find that this would look a lot like a tank with a head and body, correct?

If this is to resemble a tank I suggest not using treads, but repulsorlift engiens. Treads can get stuck in trenches and can run over mines, but if we use repulsorlift we can go over the trenches and if we were to disturb the mines enough to detonate them we wouldn't be hit as hard.

For the weaponary I suggest auto-targeting guns, they are faster and we won't have to rely on a driver. We could put auto cannons on the arms as a primary weapon, rockets on the base to allow easier building destruction, and either anti-air missles or cannons on it's shoulder or back.

It can turn 180 degrees. I don't really know the speed yet.
no, radius, how much room does it take to turn all the way around (the whole thing, not just the top part, tracks and all)

Since it uses two tracks, we can probably assume it has a zero turn radius, since it can turn on the spot.

Official Statement from Tech-Com Corporation
"We are willing to provide the weapons(miniguns, machine guns, rockets) for this machine AND provide funding for it... all that we request is the design plans for the final version. The Red Tide Goverment would love to have these. We also have a question regarding design. Would a single model be able to mount different types of weapons on different 'arms'(IE a machine that has both a minigun and a rokcet launcher)?"

OOC:Response... also, for the guys who are offering future technology to this guy. He is modern tech, this entire thing is modern tech.

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies would be extremely interested in aquiring production rights for the CA-23 once a final design is settled upon.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

The Democratic Colonies is still quite interested in aquiring production rights to the CA-23. If you could offer an inital purchase price for production rights, we believe negotiations could begin.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe, Colonial Department of Defense

The Federation of Althis would like to purchase a couple of the prototypes when theyre ready. How much longer will it be?