imported_ViZion
21-12-2004, 08:15
President Maybury of ViZion calls upon the International Community to join forces once again, putting aside differences with other nations, to tackle a greater problem: Terrorist.
ViZion, today, was viciously and deliberately attacked, with nearly 400,000 dead in the wake of a nuclear bomb blast in ViZion City (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383259).
Also, Euroslavia was attacked, 2,000 children between the ages of 4-9, where the targets: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383467
The terrorists have vowed to destroy ViZion, Jarridia, and their allies. But, the allies of ViZion and Jarridia are not the only ones who need to be concerned.
Simply look at history, and ask those who know history: Once a major terrorist attack against a larger nation happened, it's only a matter of time before terrorism covers the globe.
We urge all nations to join a coalition to end terrorist before it spreads across the globe and into your nation.
ViZion also vows to hunt down and destroy all governments who knowingly support terrorists, rather it be finances, supplies, or a place to stay or train.
Also, for those who don't seem to look at the first few posts of this thread, please look below at the quotes I've taken from my replies.
President Maybury,
While the Commonwealth mourns the loss of innocent civilians, the Commonwealth must also refuse to join in this crusade against terrorism. Before your government, or any other condemns us, we ask that our reasons be heard.
Too often, the world acts and sees only in two colors. Black and white. Two colors that oppose each other, the absence of light or good versus the confluence of all light or evil. However, even myself in my youthful days learned in art classes that there is not just black and white, but there are greys, and blues, and reds, and greens. To try and ascribe to the Mona Lisa, or the work of David, or any other work of naturalistic art a mere two colors does injustice to the entire body of art.
My point is that in this complex inter-connected world, to simply divide the world into good and evil (as the Commonwealth is also aware of your Axis of Evil list) is wholly impractical and unjust. In the more at hand matter of terrorism, terrorism itself can not even be classified as just evil. For example, say a nation that has a minority ethnic group decides to oppress this minority through draconian measures. Do the oppressed not have a right to defend their lives, which are in jeopardy, by whatever means they might have at their disposal. If aligned against a massive authoritarian state, diplomacy shall not work, and nor will raising an army. However, if you can cripple the oppressors through acts of terror, acts that forcibly alert the silent majority to the plight of the minorty, why should one not follow such a course of action?
That is in fact part of the history of this Commonwealth. The terrorism of our native oppressed people forced a change in our government to the better. A government that looks at all people as equals.
This does not mean that we condone nuclear detonations in civilian areas. More than likely most acts of terrorists are just acts of vengenance, as regretfully experienced by your nation earlier today. And we do not condone the acts of those terrorists, and we support your nation in its attempts to bring those terrorists to justice. We do not knowingly facilitate the actions of terrorists, because to admit to having another venue of aid would defeat the theory of last resort. We do not knowingly harbour terrorists. We do not knowingly finance terrorist operations, again as it nullifies the idea of last resort.
In conclusion, we caution you, terrorism is sometimes the last resort of those who have a legitimate cause. Would you want to be the nation that condemned a minority to elimination? To a genocide? A coalition against all terrorism would have doomed the native Azazians to a certain death hundreds of years ago. And for this reason, we ask you to temper your response.
The deepest sympathies of those of the Commonwealth are with your nation and the families of those devestated by today's attacks.
Ivan Valovich
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Do not worry, we respect your position and opinion on this stance.
We would like to, however, point out a few glaring things that stick out to us. If the event that a minority is being oppressed, they have every right to defend them selves, as it is the majority who commits the act of terror, not the minority. Keep in mind, terrorism comes from terror, as in causing terror.
This coalition is dedicated to fighting the terrorists committing those sorts of acts upon innocent people. Those who are committing terror and chaos for enjoyment, not to defend them selves from an aggressor or oppressor.
We would also like to point out that in the Axis of Evil list, those listed are what you could consider terrorists, who cause terror and chaos by killing their own people, or other nations people, people who have done nothing wrong besides being born "the wrong color" or "the wrong nationality" or believe in "the wrong God" (if any God at all) Those are nation, or should I say, governments that are simply evil.
But, back to the subject of terrorism. We do respect your position, and a sovereign position at that. We have no plans on condemning any nation who does not wish to join this coalition.
Official Statement from the People's Communist Part of Brazil
"There is a good feeling behind this alliance, a sentiment that is benevolent and noble. However, the FPCB cannot just throw themselves behind such an alliance at such a time.
We are a proud, revolutionary soceity, our internal domestic revolution is permenant and we walk the path to true communism on a global scale. However, with the examination of historical events, we have found that terrorism is a very debatable topic, and we have also found that a specific coalition on the eradication of terrorism would be ineffective and also counter-revolutionary, a violation of state sovereignty.
The FPCB sponsors and supports organizations world wide that are fighting for a peaceful and social democratic system within their own nation. However, in the course of events any nation may brand these as 'terrorists.' As such, by the definition of this alliance, and the suggestion made by the nation of DPUO, we would be in the crosshairs.
Before we even can condone the actions of this coalition, we must find a definition of terrorism. Not long ago, our nation watched as the sovereign social democratic state of Northern Serbia rised because an opposition group to the tyrannical regime dared to fight for their freedom. This is an example to the world, we cannot just make special cases. Often, 'terrorism' is sparked by rational desire. If we are ever to protect ourselves from this, we must understand it first.
In fact, without 'terrorism,' it is quite possible that your nations would be under a repressive, non-democratic leadership, because other nations would strike you down when you and your cormades have the bravery, the courage to step up and fight!
In the light of these points, the FPCB can only condemn this coalition that can be used to strike down those who would seek a better life through their nation by revolution and courage. Until a definition of terrorism established by this alliance can be made, they can attack any paramilitary or opposition force, branding it a 'terrorist' group. This will not be allowed."
Signed
O Diretor de Casos Extrangeiros Felipe Guadalupe Saño de Chavez
http://carmen.ajax.org/images/people/rice,condoleeza-2.jpg
At we have told Azazia, what we define terrorism as is not fighting to defend your self or fight off an aggressor or oppressor, but those who attack to cause terror and chaos, such as Angelic Freedom or Terror of the World. Terrorists often say they fight for freedom, but often what they say and what they do are not the same. Angelic Freedom is one example. They claim to be fighting for freedom, but the only "freedom" they give is freedom from these peoples lives. They target civilians, and particularly children, slaughtering them only for their own joy.
THAT is what we are fighting.
We also wish to point out that no nation is making a sovereign decision when it openly affects other nations. We refuse to honor any nation as "sovereign" after knowingly supporting terrorists, terrorists who go around attacking other nations for utter joy. They have no sovereignty, as sovereignty means internal issues... supporting terrorists who go around and attack other nations, other people, is not internal.
We respect every nations opinion, and we respect their official position on rather they wish to fight terrorism in a coalition or not, but please, get your facts straight, read what we have said so you know what we're fighting before you make assumptions.
Azazia, Dhabi, and DontPissUsOff - Thank you.
OOC: Praetonia, if you look into the other thread, they have vowed to attack others, not just ViZion. And this has been the first attack on ViZion for a long time, since the last NS-wide terrorist problem.
ViZion, today, was viciously and deliberately attacked, with nearly 400,000 dead in the wake of a nuclear bomb blast in ViZion City (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383259).
Also, Euroslavia was attacked, 2,000 children between the ages of 4-9, where the targets: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383467
The terrorists have vowed to destroy ViZion, Jarridia, and their allies. But, the allies of ViZion and Jarridia are not the only ones who need to be concerned.
Simply look at history, and ask those who know history: Once a major terrorist attack against a larger nation happened, it's only a matter of time before terrorism covers the globe.
We urge all nations to join a coalition to end terrorist before it spreads across the globe and into your nation.
ViZion also vows to hunt down and destroy all governments who knowingly support terrorists, rather it be finances, supplies, or a place to stay or train.
Also, for those who don't seem to look at the first few posts of this thread, please look below at the quotes I've taken from my replies.
President Maybury,
While the Commonwealth mourns the loss of innocent civilians, the Commonwealth must also refuse to join in this crusade against terrorism. Before your government, or any other condemns us, we ask that our reasons be heard.
Too often, the world acts and sees only in two colors. Black and white. Two colors that oppose each other, the absence of light or good versus the confluence of all light or evil. However, even myself in my youthful days learned in art classes that there is not just black and white, but there are greys, and blues, and reds, and greens. To try and ascribe to the Mona Lisa, or the work of David, or any other work of naturalistic art a mere two colors does injustice to the entire body of art.
My point is that in this complex inter-connected world, to simply divide the world into good and evil (as the Commonwealth is also aware of your Axis of Evil list) is wholly impractical and unjust. In the more at hand matter of terrorism, terrorism itself can not even be classified as just evil. For example, say a nation that has a minority ethnic group decides to oppress this minority through draconian measures. Do the oppressed not have a right to defend their lives, which are in jeopardy, by whatever means they might have at their disposal. If aligned against a massive authoritarian state, diplomacy shall not work, and nor will raising an army. However, if you can cripple the oppressors through acts of terror, acts that forcibly alert the silent majority to the plight of the minorty, why should one not follow such a course of action?
That is in fact part of the history of this Commonwealth. The terrorism of our native oppressed people forced a change in our government to the better. A government that looks at all people as equals.
This does not mean that we condone nuclear detonations in civilian areas. More than likely most acts of terrorists are just acts of vengenance, as regretfully experienced by your nation earlier today. And we do not condone the acts of those terrorists, and we support your nation in its attempts to bring those terrorists to justice. We do not knowingly facilitate the actions of terrorists, because to admit to having another venue of aid would defeat the theory of last resort. We do not knowingly harbour terrorists. We do not knowingly finance terrorist operations, again as it nullifies the idea of last resort.
In conclusion, we caution you, terrorism is sometimes the last resort of those who have a legitimate cause. Would you want to be the nation that condemned a minority to elimination? To a genocide? A coalition against all terrorism would have doomed the native Azazians to a certain death hundreds of years ago. And for this reason, we ask you to temper your response.
The deepest sympathies of those of the Commonwealth are with your nation and the families of those devestated by today's attacks.
Ivan Valovich
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Do not worry, we respect your position and opinion on this stance.
We would like to, however, point out a few glaring things that stick out to us. If the event that a minority is being oppressed, they have every right to defend them selves, as it is the majority who commits the act of terror, not the minority. Keep in mind, terrorism comes from terror, as in causing terror.
This coalition is dedicated to fighting the terrorists committing those sorts of acts upon innocent people. Those who are committing terror and chaos for enjoyment, not to defend them selves from an aggressor or oppressor.
We would also like to point out that in the Axis of Evil list, those listed are what you could consider terrorists, who cause terror and chaos by killing their own people, or other nations people, people who have done nothing wrong besides being born "the wrong color" or "the wrong nationality" or believe in "the wrong God" (if any God at all) Those are nation, or should I say, governments that are simply evil.
But, back to the subject of terrorism. We do respect your position, and a sovereign position at that. We have no plans on condemning any nation who does not wish to join this coalition.
Official Statement from the People's Communist Part of Brazil
"There is a good feeling behind this alliance, a sentiment that is benevolent and noble. However, the FPCB cannot just throw themselves behind such an alliance at such a time.
We are a proud, revolutionary soceity, our internal domestic revolution is permenant and we walk the path to true communism on a global scale. However, with the examination of historical events, we have found that terrorism is a very debatable topic, and we have also found that a specific coalition on the eradication of terrorism would be ineffective and also counter-revolutionary, a violation of state sovereignty.
The FPCB sponsors and supports organizations world wide that are fighting for a peaceful and social democratic system within their own nation. However, in the course of events any nation may brand these as 'terrorists.' As such, by the definition of this alliance, and the suggestion made by the nation of DPUO, we would be in the crosshairs.
Before we even can condone the actions of this coalition, we must find a definition of terrorism. Not long ago, our nation watched as the sovereign social democratic state of Northern Serbia rised because an opposition group to the tyrannical regime dared to fight for their freedom. This is an example to the world, we cannot just make special cases. Often, 'terrorism' is sparked by rational desire. If we are ever to protect ourselves from this, we must understand it first.
In fact, without 'terrorism,' it is quite possible that your nations would be under a repressive, non-democratic leadership, because other nations would strike you down when you and your cormades have the bravery, the courage to step up and fight!
In the light of these points, the FPCB can only condemn this coalition that can be used to strike down those who would seek a better life through their nation by revolution and courage. Until a definition of terrorism established by this alliance can be made, they can attack any paramilitary or opposition force, branding it a 'terrorist' group. This will not be allowed."
Signed
O Diretor de Casos Extrangeiros Felipe Guadalupe Saño de Chavez
http://carmen.ajax.org/images/people/rice,condoleeza-2.jpg
At we have told Azazia, what we define terrorism as is not fighting to defend your self or fight off an aggressor or oppressor, but those who attack to cause terror and chaos, such as Angelic Freedom or Terror of the World. Terrorists often say they fight for freedom, but often what they say and what they do are not the same. Angelic Freedom is one example. They claim to be fighting for freedom, but the only "freedom" they give is freedom from these peoples lives. They target civilians, and particularly children, slaughtering them only for their own joy.
THAT is what we are fighting.
We also wish to point out that no nation is making a sovereign decision when it openly affects other nations. We refuse to honor any nation as "sovereign" after knowingly supporting terrorists, terrorists who go around attacking other nations for utter joy. They have no sovereignty, as sovereignty means internal issues... supporting terrorists who go around and attack other nations, other people, is not internal.
We respect every nations opinion, and we respect their official position on rather they wish to fight terrorism in a coalition or not, but please, get your facts straight, read what we have said so you know what we're fighting before you make assumptions.
Azazia, Dhabi, and DontPissUsOff - Thank you.
OOC: Praetonia, if you look into the other thread, they have vowed to attack others, not just ViZion. And this has been the first attack on ViZion for a long time, since the last NS-wide terrorist problem.