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A Diplomatic message from the Nomadic Peoples of Neo Cannen to the UN

Fellow members. We are gravely concerned about Nikoles the Greats territoral expansion designs on south eastern Europe and the rest of the world. We ask for allies to help us defend the soveringty of Turkey and any other nations on his target list

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382500&page=3

please help us.

I cannot send troops or ships to deal with this due to multiple problems I'm dealing with.

However, I don't think this belongs here anyway.

This is more an II post....

This is more an II post....

The conflict is being fought in II. Here I though I would find friends, being a member of the UN. I thought UN members helped other UN members in conflicts of defending soveringty.

In role-play, perhaps. This, however, does not relate to the UN, and therefore does not belong in this forum.

If the conflict is being fought in II, then chances are this either belongs there, or is not needed.

The conflict is being fought in II. Here I though I would find friends, being a member of the UN. I thought UN members helped other UN members in conflicts of defending soveringty.

Why would you think that? Surely that is a matter for individual nations, rather than the UN as a whole?

TilEnca has a strict policy about not going to war under any circumstances, save those of defence of our nation. TilEnca has a bloody history, one we do not wish to continue.

Sorry :}

In role-play, perhaps. This, however, does not relate to the UN, and therefore does not belong in this forum.

If the conflict is being fought in II, then chances are this either belongs there, or is not needed.
[OOC] It's perfectly legal and reasonable for the author to make this appeal. They've done it exactly the right way, with a link to the actual RP topic in the first post.

Of course, it's completely in-character for the vast majority of us to turn a deaf ear to their entreaties. That's very much the UN path ...

[/bitter sarcastic tears]

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As a TBA member notquiteaplace opposes your actions, as we have to defend our allies, and dont want to have to do so.

However, if we defend NTG it will be conditional that they do not oppress the Turks, as the TBA does have the inbuilt clause to stop nazis running it, that protects people persecuted for race or political views or appearance and so on, and they will be breaching it.

NTG would be violating this and admits to it, so we ask they either refrain from doing so or count us out as we signed the TBA for it's principles and it is these we are loyal to.

Neo Cannen is too a TBA member. We believe that it is the responsablity of the TBA to defend the soveringty of Turkey. The first statement of the TBA is this

1- The TBA defence alliance is a peace keeping Alliance We dont start wars we help finish them

Nikolas started this war by invading Turkey. We must attemt to end it.

9- This alliance respects the National Soverign Rights of all Nation's

Turkey's soveringty deserves to be regocnised and defended.

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A Diplomatic message from the Nomadic Peoples of Neo Cannen to the UN

Fellow members. We are gravely concerned about Nikoles the Greats territoral expansion designs on south eastern Europe and the rest of the world. We ask for allies to help us defend the soveringty of Turkey and any other nations on his target list

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382500&page=3

please help us.

i send my army only about 10 million. but very well equipted and stratigetic. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper:

i send my army only about 10 million. but very well equipted and stratigetic. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper:

OOC: Well perhaps you could post that your attacking, and what you are doing.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382500

Is the location of the battle.

Several things, the TBA charter. Like I said NTG contravenes several parts of it, hence me not offereing help unless he agrees to stick to it. Notquiteaplace will consider it's position again and act accordingly.

OOC: 10 million man army? Thats a lot for an early 2003 nation, as for a decmber nation, you would be lucky to have 1 million armed forces, especially if they are well equipped. A gun, armour and some food and transport for one man costs the GDP per capita of one "Frightening" economy assuming poor training and so on. To equip your men well and provide support vehicles is much more. Infact if your army is well equipped and trained your total armed forces including logisitics shouldnt exceed a a tenth of the fraction of the GDP you are spending, and 10% is a lot. So say you are really militaristic and spend 9% 0.9% of your pop should be involved, giving you maybe 500,000 active combat personnel at most. Which is more than the US army despite you being a quarter of her size.

Several things, the TBA charter. Like I said NTG contravenes several parts of it, hence me not offereing help unless he agrees to stick to it. Notquiteaplace will consider it's position again and act accordingly.


Surely if NtG is contrivining the charter he should be stoped?

Yes and I will act. But we might be able to avoid war. The TBA is anti war so we shoudl avoid it.

If the whole alliance backs you, he will back down without bloodshed.

Agreed?

OOC: Im off to the off sire forum, im going to tell all members to go there on the thread and if that fails, post ICly tommorow asking them to react. Dailey gets fed up with me "dragging the alliance through the mud" so Im going to do it his way.

But if doing it his way will stop the alliance functioning, I will do it mine.

Hence the alliance has one day.

Yes and I will act. But we might be able to avoid war. The TBA is anti war so we shoudl avoid it.

If the whole alliance backs you, he will back down without bloodshed.

Agreed?


Agreed. Hopefully the united might of the TBA will make them reconsider.

Yup well, the posts are up. I might track down a few members and Tg if it doesnt seem to work at all.

Yup well, the posts are up. I might track down a few members and Tg if it doesnt seem to work at all.

Thank you for your assistance. I can promise you it will not be forgoten

Hawdawg will aide you in this effort.
We are an Alliance member and will send whatever is needed to thwart this invasion.

-J. Davis
Minister of Defense
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Hawdawg will aide you in this effort.
We are an Alliance member and will send whatever is needed to thwart this invasion.

-J. Davis
Minister of Defense
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Thank you Mr Davis. The location of the battle is here

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382500&page=1

At present we are attempting to disrupt landings with our airforce. We request you help us in this attempt.

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OOC:

Rebeled Elves: You are IGNORED

IC:

The Greek Government has no intention of oppressing the Turks. Here are the following reasons why we are invading.

1. Turkey continuously has violated our air territory in the past many times and still did until now. That led to the death of one of our pilots.

2. Turkish soldiers have been going on our islands that are very close to Turkey and have been burning the Greek flag and then replacing it with the Turkish one.

3. They have always attacked our soldiers on the Greece-Turkey border. Our soldiers did not fire back and tried to escape so they won't cause a war.

4. Cyprus was Greek and was planning to reunify with Greece but Turkey went ahead and disobeyed the U.N. orders and passed the U.N. Buffer Zone that kept the Greek Cypriots safe from the Turks that were located in Northern Cyprus. Now Turkey constantly abuses human rights. They have burned and destroy Orthodox Churches and build mosques on top of the ruins. They committed genocide and kicked many Cypriots out of there homes and now live in the streets. You can even ask a Cypriot yourself.

5. The land the Turks are on belonged to Greece through the Byzantine Empire and during the ancient time there where a lot of populated Greek city-states on the coast of Turkey.

As you can see it was Turkey that has been threatening our national sovereignty. I hope these reasons are enough for TBA to support us morally. We are just giving back the bill to Turks so they can pay up.

OOC:
Rebeled Elves: You are IGNORED


You cant just ignore someone and not give a reason

You cant just ignore someone and not give a reason
OOC: He says he haves a 10 million army and he haves only a population of 56 million. Not even I have 10 million army. So I got reasons to ignore him.

OOC: He says he haves a 10 million army and he haves only a population of 56 million. Not even I have 10 million army. So I got reasons to ignore him.

Alright, if he gives a smaller army will you change your mind?

Alright, if he gives a smaller army will you change your mind?
OOC: Probably but by his post he dosent seem to be a good RPer and I don't want my thread to be filled with bad RPing quality.

OOC:

Rebeled Elves: You are IGNORED

IC:

The Greek Government has no intention of oppressing the Turks. Here are the following reasons why we are invading.

1. Turkey continuously has violated our air territory in the past many times and still did until now. That led to the death of one of our pilots.

2. Turkish soldiers have been going on our islands that are very close to Turkey and have been burning the Greek flag and then replacing it with the Turkish one.

3. They have always attacked our soldiers on the Greece-Turkey border. Our soldiers did not fire back and tried to escape so they won't cause a war.

4. Cyprus was Greek and was planning to reunify with Greece but Turkey went ahead and disobeyed the U.N. orders and passed the U.N. Buffer Zone that kept the Greek Cypriots safe from the Turks that were located in Northern Cyprus. Now Turkey constantly abuses human rights. They have burned and destroy Orthodox Churches and build mosques on top of the ruins. They committed genocide and kicked many Cypriots out of there homes and now live in the streets. You can even ask a Cypriot yourself.

5. The land the Turks are on belonged to Greece through the Byzantine Empire and during the ancient time there where a lot of populated Greek city-states on the coast of Turkey.

As you can see it was Turkey that has been threatening our national sovereignty. I hope these reasons are enough for TBA to support us morally. We are just giving back the bill to Turks so they can pay up.

They haven't threatened you and are no threat, they wouldnt dare touch a TBA member.

Now we would support a government change provided it was a fair one and an extensive rights overhaul.

We have mobilized and will dispatch shortly 3 MEF (Marine Expeditionary Forces) and 2 Invasion Fleets and 2 Battle Fleets to a location North of the Canary Islands. We are alliance members of the TBA and are waiting for a course of action to be dictated by the alliance leadership. You claim to have the Mediterrainen Sea blockaded, but I might remind you that closing international shipping lanes for your personal battles is a big no no. You might want to rethink the global ramifications of such an action.

We also couldn't help but notice the "bulling and chest thumping" you tend to exhibit with other nations. "My nations X is bigger than your nations Y, etc." Just because you have a large nation and a healthy economy doesn't mean others can't wage an effective war against you. It has been proven throughout history that nations will go into debt to right a wrong and what you are doing in Turkey falls under a wrong.

We might remind you, since you like history so much, the Brits did the same thing when they sent an army to crush the rebels in the American colonies and where given a rude surprise. Our nation normally doesn't get involved in wars, however if the alliance dictate we move on you, we won't hesitate.

Have a nice day.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

We have mobilized and will dispatch shortly 3 MEF (Marine Expeditionary Forces) and 2 Invasion Fleets and 2 Battle Fleets to a location North of the Canary Islands. We are alliance members of the TBA and are waiting for a course of action to be dictated by the alliance leadership. You claim to have the Mediterrainen Sea blockaded, but I might remind you that closing international shipping lanes for your personal battles is a big no no. You might want to rethink the global ramifications of such an action.

We also couldn't help but notice the "bulling and chest thumping" you tend to exhibit with other nations. "My nations X is bigger than your nations Y, etc." Just because you have a large nation and a healthy economy doesn't mean others can't wage an effective war against you. It has been proven throughout history that nations will go into debt to right a wrong and what you are doing in Turkey falls under a wrong.

We might remind you, since you like history so much, the Brits did the same thing when they sent an army to crush the rebels in the American colonies and where given a rude surprise. Our nation normally doesn't get involved in wars, however if the alliance dictate we move on you, we won't hesitate.

Have a nice day.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg
OOC: I didnt say just because I am bigger I am stronger. He comes up with these "flare" aircraft and he haves a crappy economy to even be able to make them. And then NC godmodes every battle.

I would help, but I don't know who you are, where you are, what your beleifs are. If you are willing to make a bargain, I will send some of my navy.

OOC: Flares are real, they arent even new technology. They are a well known countermeasure to missiles, in all honesty, ever played an accurate combat flight sim with semi modern aircraft? Because they would have flares.

Firstly, i was googling and found more advanced systems (which I can see being fitted to NQP aircraft some time soon, maybe two or three NS years to finish, infact that will be used with radar jamming too)

http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/corporate/publicity/ads/v11n1/page2.html

Secondly, it mentions flares here, they arent even new technology, read the last paragraph.

http://www.house.gov/israel/news/010804-missile.htm

Thanks forcing me to do a little research is going to benifit my aircraft. some more addresses that will affect my aircraft and their defenses.


http://www.ainonline.com/issues/12_04/12_04_antimisslep18.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/ircm.htm
and that one too.

Infact the modern technology exists for more sophisticated missile defence but for the large part isnt in use effectively. Certain types only stop certain types of missiles.

SOrry to be so random, it's an idea caused by this thread, im running with it.

Because of this I make the followoing IC:

Notquiteaplace sources have been reporting that there has been searching accross several industries for a counter measure system against missiles that is more effective than presently used ones and doesnt include the bugs of existing ones which all have varying strengths and weaknesses. A system for guided and unguided missiles is well under developement, and combines technology bought from many small research firms for Notquiteaplace, so that best of each can be amalgamted into one easy to use package, weighing under 90Kg. The largest part of the research will be designing the system and lowering false alarm rates. The system will use laser technology for passive guided missiles, and disruptive intellgent signal scanning for active technology with the old detection structure remaining in place with a few number of countermeasures as a back up to this system.

I would help, but I don't know who you are, where you are, what your beleifs are. If you are willing to make a bargain, I will send some of my navy.

To The government of Soleo
From Ambasador Midian of Neo Cannen

We are very intersted in your proposal. What would you desire from us in exchange for millitary assistance.

Orginally posted by NTC:
OOC: I didnt say just because I am bigger I am stronger. He comes up with these "flare" aircraft and he haves a crappy economy to even be able to make them. And then NC godmodes every battle.

OOC:
Flare technology has been around forever, granted EVERY plane wouldn't survive a missile attack but the logic of the planes being able to thwart most of the missiles in an attack is sound, especially if they were outfitted with a flare pod that held an enormous amount of flares that could be dropped. As far as godmodding goes I think everyone that competes in a battle godmods to some extent. If you notice everyone that fights always tends to go light on KIA or some other aspect to try and sway the battle in their favor.

Second point, you screamed godmod when he unleashed the gasoline bomb on your ship in the war thread, this technology has been around since the vietnam war. In fact the US military used to call it the poor man's atomic bomb. The damage this weapon would have done of your ship would not have been as light as you claimed. An important note about this missile my colleague failed to mention is the fact that when it ignites it removes all the oxygen from the area it is detonated in and uses it in the fireball. Your men on the ship would have been effectively had there lungs seared and or died for lack of oxygen unless the were in sealed compartments. All of this data can be found via Military History books, via the net, etc. You might want to check out a book called weapons at war from your local library, it might be very helpful for you. I have the set.


-Hawdawg

OOC: seeing as the war is over I think the best action is to maintain a watch on NTG and if he violates these rights act together. I missed a lot of the war while offline, which was a pain. So I managed nothing, but even with your tactics allowed the enemy were there in force against one nation.

If NTG violates his new people's rights, I will liberate Turkey at the head of the TBA's combined forces, or leave the TBA. It's that simple.