NationStates Jolt Archive

You seem to think that you somehow hold the only way with which to close off the mediterranean. You also refuse to budge, for all his efforts Grays Hill could only achieve a few compromises on the matter. I am here to try and push this situation away from the brink (though some might say i am a fool to use thus method). I would like to see a complete return to normality, all RWC shipping should be allowed to pass freely through the 2 passages in question without being impeaded in any way. This may seem unfair but it could stop a very large and bloody conflict spiriling out of control. You may now think that you have no reason to comply, that i have no means other then words short of starting a war to achieve this goal. You are wrong, very wrong. If you were to look at a map of the world you will see that Huzen Hagen controls Eritrea. You will see where Eritrea is and then you will see how this is going to work. You are to lift the restriction or the RWC will place its own blockades infront of the seuz and gibralta. You will find yourself under the same restrictions as us. I would hope we can come to a very rapid agreement before our restrictions are agreed within the allaince and are enforced.

Ferdinand Maticheck II
Prince Regent

The Holy Empire of Bodastan agrees with Huzen Hagen. Bodastan's traders cannot trade with RWC normally. If you do not dis-embargo RWC, we will surely help them in diplomacy to get that restriction down. We hope that war is not neccesary.

Khanel Kudis, Bodari party economy minister
Naren Danis, Bodari party minister for diplomacy

A Blockade of International Waters would lead to highly unwelcome consequences for anybody who decided to do so. If this were to occur then there would be serious political, economic and military ramifications for those who put such a blockade in place.

Chellis has every right to enforce the Gibraltar blockade as it is his territorial waterways and he may let whoom he want through them.

Under-Secretary of State Jim Hokerk

Dumpsterdanian merchant shipping will continue as normal, all reasons to deny us access to this sea are null and void.

Alfarius Damocales,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Defence.

OOC: I think people need to work out some key terms which mean entirely different things but are being used almost interchangeably:

Embargo: An embargo is when a nation stops buying all of a certain good. For example "We have placed an embargo on all goods from RWC countries" "We have placed an embargo on all coffee goods". Thisis merely refusing to trade. There is NO military action involved and it's perfectly legal.

Blockade: A blockade is when you surround a port (or ports) with warships and turn back all traffic in and out. For example "Because you bombed me, I am going to blockade your ports with three hundred warships. All ships will be turned back if they attempt to enter or leave the port." This IS military action (sort of) and all sane nations would attempt to break the blockade with their own warships.

Denial of Passage: This is not a blockade or an embargo. This is merely when a nation does not allow certain shipping to pass through their waters. For example, "RWC nations are not allowed to send shipping through my waters." "Ships carrying drugs will not be allowed into our waters." This is perfectly legally, so long as it is only within their own waters, and although annoying, attempting run or break this kind of economic sanction would usually result in war with you as the agressor. It'll at least get the ships in question sunk or impounded.

This isnt aimed at anyone in particular, except perhaps that Borhams guy.

I think you got the embargo definition a little wrong. According to webster, it can also mean the following.
1 : an order of a government prohibiting the departure of commercial ships from its ports
2 : a legal prohibition on commerce <an embargo on arms shipments>
3 : STOPPAGE, IMPEDIMENT; especially : PROHIBITION <I lay no embargo on anybody's words -- Jane Austen>
4 : an order by a common carrier or public regulatory agency prohibiting or restricting freight transportation

OOC: That's exactly what I said, just in more understandable English. What I said was also more general and therefore didnt require 4 seperate definitions.

an order of a government prohibiting the departure of commercial ships from its ports
That sounds like your definition of blockade to me.
It really doesn't matter though. People can follow whatever definition they want I guess.

OOC: No, because you're not allowing your own ships to leave. Usually, although not necessarily, only ones with a certain type of good, or carrying goods to a certain country, now can you stop spamming HH's thread with an irrelevant quibble over wording.

now can you stop spamming HH's thread with an irrelevant quibble over wording.

OOC: yes, especially as this has nothing to do with you.

Wolfish supports the rights of nations to exclude the RWC from conducting military and commercial traffic through national waterways.

Should the RWC challenge this right, the Wolfish government will take any and all necessary action to defend the Suez and Gibraltar.

Wolfish supports the rights of nations to exclude the RWC from conducting military and commercial traffic through national waterways.

Should the RWC challenge this right, the Wolfish government will take any and all necessary action to defend the Suez and Gibraltar.

And as such NWO and the RBA would also Defend Allied Waterways of the Suez and Gibraltar along with our other allies around the Globe.

No international Laws have been broken on this Issue, as in Real lie Nations need to ask Permission to Access to National Waters of other Nations.

If RWC member Nations Attempt to break theses blockades to MILLITARY ships, not civilian we will have no choice but to aid our allies in there Defense of there National Waters.

As such forcing a Blockade in International Waters is Illegal and is breaking International Laws and yet again would be broken by Allied Forces.

We suggest RWC to stop threatening our Allies because of there National Choices, if RWC members have a Problem you have 2 choices, Leave RWC and don't be affected or play this out on the Discussion Table.

Dr_Twist.

And as such NWO and the RBA would also Defend Allied Waterways of the Suez and Gibraltar along with our other allies around the Globe.

No international Laws have been broken on this Issue, as in Real lie Nations need to ask Permission to Access to National Waters of other Nations.

If RWC member Nations Attempt to break theses blockades to MILLITARY ships, not civilian we will have no choice but to aid our allies in there Defense of there National Waters.

As such forcing a Blockade in International Waters is Illegal and is breaking International Laws and yet again would be broken by Allied Forces.

We suggest RWC to stop threatening our Allies because of there National Choices, if RWC members have a Problem you have 2 choices, Leave RWC and don't be affected or play this out on the Discussion Table.

Dr_Twist.

OoC: IC post and real life? Right...

Anyway, I think the RWC has tried talking this out, it didn't work since Chellis is not prepared to make any compromise because he's making strange demands about that the RWC may not use Bio, Chem or Nuclear weapons, can't invade him for the rest of his natural life and for all this they get the strait opend to them for ten years and he can still close it down at any time to the RWC while they have to live up to their part of the bargain.

Isn't exactly fair huh?

OoC: IC post and real life? Right...

Anyway, I think the RWC has tried talking this out, it didn't work since Chellis is not prepared to make any compromise because he's making strange demands about that the RWC may not use Bio, Chem or Nuclear weapons, can't invade him for the rest of his natural life and for all this they get the strait opend to them for ten years and he can still close it down at any time to the RWC while they have to live up to their part of the bargain.

Isn't exactly fair huh?

OCC: Of course it isn't fair, but that’s how things Happen, people put down stupid requests, it isn't my fault they have put those requests there, its there’s, what do you want me to do? I have no power over what Chellis demands from RWC, however our alliance with Chellis demands that we aid him in a situation that his nation is Violated. All i can suggest is take it as it comes.

OCC: Of course it isn't fair, but that’s how things Happen, people put down stupid requests, it isn't my fault they have put those requests there, its there’s, what do you want me to do? I have no power over what Chellis demands from RWC, however our alliance with Chellis demands that we aid him in a situation that his nation is Violated. All i can suggest is take it as it comes.

OoC: I know what Chellis understands and he'll know that a cornerd cat can make strange jumps...

ooc: for the record Chellis is playing those negotiations beautifully. He doesn't want to open the Suez - so he's making unreasonable demands - very similar to the North / South Korean "peace talks" at Panmunjan.

OOC: Dont you mean Gibralter? Chellis doesnt own the Suez.

OOC: Dont you mean Gibralter? Chellis doesnt own the Suez.


Yep - sorry. The Suez is also closed to the RWC - I got confused.

[*snickers* I'm laughing at the stupidity of this all. Guys, the Suez has a canal and if I'm not mistaken so does the Gibralter Strait. If they want to deny the RWC passage, there isn't anything that can be done about it.]

[*snickers* I'm laughing at the stupidity of this all. Guys, the Suez has a canal and if I'm not mistaken so does the Gibralter Strait. If they want to deny the RWC passage, there isn't anything that can be done about it.]

PCC: You hit the nail right on the head.

ooc: for the record Chellis is playing those negotiations beautifully. He doesn't want to open the Suez - so he's making unreasonable demands - very similar to the North / South Korean "peace talks" at Panmunjan.

ooc: When he said the passage could be discussed i thought we were going to see a new improved version of Chellis, Then i noticed his demands and knew he was still the same ********(you may choose the word yourself).

Doesnt matter, i still have access to the med thanks to Chellis.

Chellis will not allow RWC military ships through the strait, though as we have constantly said, commercial ships are allowed through. We were willing to compromise about the WMD clause, but the RWC is willing to make no concessions.

Chellis has the right to deny anyone passage through the straits. However, if any nation at all blockades international waters from chellis, we will not hesitate to declare war.

Chellis will not allow RWC military ships through the strait, though as we have constantly said, commercial ships are allowed through. We were willing to compromise about the WMD clause, but the RWC is willing to make no concessions.

Chellis has the right to deny anyone passage through the straits. However, if any nation at all blockades international waters from chellis, we will not hesitate to declare war.

OOC: What definition of "blockade" are you using in that last paragraph?

This is all a waste of time for us in any case. We have access to Europe and the mediterreanean through several of our colonies and furthermore trade can commence through the use of the air.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire

OOC: What definition of "blockade" are you using in that last paragraph?

OOC: The one that I shouldn't need to explain, as it is explained in context.

This is all a waste of time for us in any case. We have access to Europe and the mediterreanean through several of our colonies and furthermore trade can commence through the use of the air.

Bureaucrat of the Drum God Empire
Yeah but Planes dont carry what Ships do
(IC)Harlesburg is confused by everyones actions theirv is no need to have Military forces in Chellis Waters unless they were already in the Mediteranian[sp] pocket at the time

Edward The Phoenix Duke De Harlesburg
Lord Of The Confederacy Of Harlesburg

As a sign of peace, if any RWC nation wants to leave the mediterranean with military ships, we will allow it.

As a sign of peace, if any RWC nation wants to leave the mediterranean with military ships, we will allow it.