NationStates Jolt Archive

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The Phoenix Milita is done with the old US military style K-pots, bulky flak jackets and old style combat boots and other equipment. TPM forces will now be outfitted with all new gear.
Under the standard uniform, a minimalized kevlar bodysuit, cross zippered/velcro will be worn., over the uniform a new tactical/bulletproof vest and holster rig will be worn instead of the old LCEs.
Also a new full length kneepad will be issued, and the old elbow pads will be worn(over the uniform) in some cases.
All new ruck and assault packs have been designed (to replace the old ALICE packs) with input from infantry soldiers and lessons learned in past conflicts
In additon to the standard weapons assortment (shown in pic and listed below) there are several specialty weapons, grenade and rocket launchers and machine guns as well as weapons add-ons availible for special missions.(these weapons can be found at the storefront or guns galore post)
Weapons:
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1) 5 inch Black S&W Tactical Folding Knife
2) 7 inch Black Ka-Bar Knife
3) P&R Mk47 Medusa Multi-Caliber Revolver
4) PHX Hi-Power 10mm Pistol
5) PHX Desert Fox Pistol
6) PHX AutoMag Pistol
7) H&K MP7 4.6mm PDW
8) MP3 9mm SMG
9) MP2 .50cal SMG
10) M101 Super Nova .08 ga Pump Shotgun
11) M102 Street Cleaner Shotgun/SMG Combo
12) FN-p90 SMG/PDW + Detachable FN-FiveSeven Pistol in place of grip
13) AR-56 5.56mm Assault Rifle
14) AR-47 5.45mm/7.62mm Assault Rifle/Carbine
15) M-4 Bullpup 5.56mm Assault Rifle
16) AR-28 11mm Assault Rifle
17) AR-28 DMR
18) CAR-24 6.62mm Combat Assault Rifle
19) CAR-24A1 6.62mm Carbine
20) AR-22 11mm Heavy Assault/Battle Rifle
21) AR-22A1 11mm Carbine
22) CAR-22 11mm Combat Assault Rifle
23) MG-22 11mm Squad Automatic Weapon/Light Machine Gun
24) SR-22 11mm Semi-Auto Sniper Rifle
25) M82A5 11mm/12.7mm Sniper Rifle
26) SR-48 .408 Bolt Action Sniper Rifle
27) SR-48A1 .408 Self-Loading Sniper Rifle
28) SR-23A1 8mm Semi-Auto Tactical Sniper Rifle

Typical Loadouts
Primary: AR-22 11mm Heavy Assault/Battle Rifle w/8 32 round mags, .8 gauge underbarrel shotgun w/ 2 10 round belts and 2 8 shot boxes
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CAR-22 11mm Combat Assault Rifle w/40mm GL (roughly same ammo amts)
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MG-22 11mm SAW w/ 2 60 rd drums and 2 X 200 rd box
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Secondary:MP7 4.6mm Personal Defense Weapon w/2 30 round mags
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Street Cleaner .08 ga\.12ga Shotgun | 9mm/.45cal SMG combo w 2drums and 2 clips
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Super Nova .08 Pump Shotgun w/ 32 rounds
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MP-2 .500\.454 cal SMG w/2 30 round mags
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MP-3 10\9mm SMG w/2 30 round mags
--or--
AutoMag .44/.454 Pistol w/3 28/22 round mags
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Sidearm:PHX Hi-Power 10mm Pistol w/3 14 round mags
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PHX Desert Fox .454 Pistol w/ 3 14 round mags
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Backup: Mk 47 P&R Medusa 8 shot Multi-Caliber Revolver
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Melee: Tactical Black 7 inch Ka-Bar and Black 5 inch S&W S.W.A.T. Tactical Folder

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Special: 7.62mm or 5.56mm Minigun w/ 550 rd backpack
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SR-48 .408 cal sniper rifle w/4 box magazines
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M240 Bravo 7.62mm Machinegun w/ 200 box plus 3 120 rd belts
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M82A5 11mm/12.7mm Sniper Rifle w/4 box magazines
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60mm Mortar w/ 6 mortars
--or-- M-69 Rotary Grenade Llauncher w/ 50 rd backpack
(used in place of primary weapon)


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Army, Militia and Marine Corps Rank
O-12 Field Marshall
O-11 Marshall
O-10 General of the Army
O-10 General
O-9 Major General
O-8 Lieutenant General
O-7 Brigadier General
O-6 Colonel
O-5 Commander
O-4 Major
O-3 Captain
O-2 1st Lieutenant
O-1 2nd Lieutenant
O-0 Officer Candidate

W-5 Master Warrant Officer 5
W-4 Chief Warrant Officer 4
W-3 Chief Warrant Officer 3
W-2 Warrant Officer 2
W-1 Warrant Officer 1

E-9 Command Sergeant
E-9 Sergeant Major
E-8 First Sergeant
E-8 Master Sergeant
E-7 Sergeant First Class
E-6 Staff Sergeant
E-5 Sergeant
E-4 Corporal
E-4 Specialist
E-3 Private First Class
E-2 Private Second Class
E-1 Private
E-0 Airman/Marine/Soldier/

Navy Rank
O-11 Admiral of the Navy
O-10 Fleet Admiral
O-10 Admiral
O-9 Vice Admiral
O-8 Rear Admiral
O-7 Commodore
O-6 Captain
O-5 Commander
O-4 Lieutenant Commander
O-3 Senior Lieutenant
O-2 Lieutenant
O-1 Ensign
O-0 Officer Candidate

W-5 Master Warrant Officer 5
W-4 Chief Warrant Officer 4
W-3 Chief Warrant Officer 3
W-2 Warrant Officer 2
W-1 Warrant Officer 1


E-8 Chief of the Deck
E-8 Master Chief Petty Officer
E-7 Chief Petty Officer
E-6 Petty Officer First Class
E-5 Petty Officer Second Class
E-4 Petty Officer
E-4 Specialist
E-3 Seaman First Class
E-2 Seaman Second Class
E-1 Seaman
E-0 Apprentice Seaman

KOP and SPX Rank
-Enlisted--
E-3 PVT- Private
E-4 PFC- Private, First Class
E-5 CPL- Corporal
E-7 SGT- Sergeant
E-8 MSGT- Master Sergeant
-Officers-
O-2 2LT- Second Lieutenant
O-3 LT1- First Lieutenant
O-4 CPT- Captain
O-5 MAJ- Major
O-6 COL- Colonel
O-7 CMDR- Commander
O-9 GEN- General
O-10 MAG- Major General


Some Branch and Rank Insigna, Badges, Medals, Awards, Decorations and Ribbons of our Military
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A 7.62mm Minigun is not practical in combat, the thing wieghs to much to be carried around by an infantryman, and the recoil would knock you down. Even blank firing replicas have such a large amount of recoil it requires a special harness. Add the wieght of the battery and gun to the backpack of ammo and you are going to have seriously wieghted down and slow soldiers.

Your men also carry way to many weapons, 1 knife 1 pistol and 1 main weapon would be more than enough, you dont need to have them all outfitted like rambo, and that kevlar suit has got to itch and be hot as fuck I wouldn't wanna wear it.

A 7.62mm Minigun is not practical in combat, the thing wieghs to much to be carried around by an infantryman, and the recoil would knock you down. Even blank firing replicas have such a large amount of recoil it requires a special harness. Add the wieght of the battery and gun to the backpack of ammo and you are going to have seriously wieghted down and slow soldiers.
My men are very strong :D Also they are only used in limited situatons and we have made improvements to the harness of which you speak.

Your men also carry way to many weapons, 1 knife 1 pistol and 1 main weapon would be more than enough, you dont need to have them all outfitted like rambo, and that kevlar suit has got to itch and be hot as fuck I wouldn't wanna wear it.
My men are all rambo(well they think they are), and better to be itchy and hot than to have a bullet fragment or some shrapnel lodge in your groin eh?

ok well i have resized the pic so its a little more browser friendly, you can still see the full picture by clicking on it(click on the small one to see the big one i mean) :)

more of you can comment you know

My men are very strong :D Also they are only used in limited situatons and we have made improvements to the harness of which you speak.

My men are all rambo(well they think they are), and better to be itchy and hot than to have a bullet fragment or some shrapnel lodge in your groin eh?


Tell me, how much does it cost to train all these..... "Rambow's" of yours? I would say upwards of 150k USD each.

Also, how did you modify this harness so that your men can withstand the hugh recoil of a minigun. There is a reason it is only on armor.

It costs about $500,000 to train a TPM Infantryman.
Its a full cross harness with shoulder straps, kidney pads and butt pads like a rucksack strap system combined with the assault sling for the m249 SAW
Arnold (http://www.peerfear.org/download/t2-minigun.jpg) seems to be able to handle it quite well.
But anyway, like I said it is only used in a few situations.

Firstly, TPM, if you're so naive as to believe that Predator and Terminator are an accurate representation of infantry armarment, stop making weapons.

"In the year 1987 the movie "Predator" (starring A. Schwarznegger) hit the screens. One of the most impressive scenes was the one where the US Commandos, led by "Dutch" (Schwarznegger), attempted to fight back the alien Predator. One of Commandos was armed with the distinctive weapon, a 6-barreled rotary Minigun, fed from backpack ammo box. This gave the impression that the Miniguns can be used for infantry support. It must be noted, that in this movie a special, blank firing version of the Minigun was sued. The electric motor was powered via cable, hidden in the actor's pants, and the actor had to carry bulletproof vest and protective mask to avoid injuries from the fast and violently ejecting empty cases. Had this gun being fired using real ammunition, the actor would ended lying on his back, being forced off the legs by the violent recoil. The "backpack" ammo capacity, also, could be worth only several seconds of fire. lets calculate: 2 000 rounds of 5.56mm ammo will weight about 25 kg (55 lbs); 2 000 rounds of 7.62mm will weight about 2 times more, making such load almost impossible to carry on foots. yet this load of ammo will worth only 20 or so seconds of fire. Add some powerful batteries to power electrical drive of about 4KWt (4+ horse-power), and the bulk of the gun itself, and you'll see that even the strongest man won't be able to carry this load, less to fire it with any chance to hit, due to extremely powerful recoil."
-Modern Firearms- Gatling, Vulcan, Minigun and others

Also, to The Infantry, I think he means that's what their full range of weapons they're trained to use. But if he thinks that he can

It costs about $500,000 to train a TPM Infantryman.
Its a full cross harness with shoulder straps, kidney pads and butt pads like a rucksack strap system combined with the assault sling for the m249 SAW
Arnold (http://www.peerfear.org/download/t2-minigun.jpg) seems to be able to handle it quite well.
But anyway, like I said it is only used in a few situations.

$500k USD per soilder and you still have money for weapons. HA!

Also, you fail to note that Arnold is a movie star and as such acts in movies where this stuff is possible. Even with all that harness, no man could withstand the recoil. Maybe a few shots, but not prolonged firing. And the kinda defeats the purpose of a minigun anyhow.

Arnold is a General in my army :),

I've read that little article before and it doesn't mean crap for my purposes, My men dont carry 2,000 rounds, they only carry 550. The M134 Minigun is a REAL weapon, it was only used on a pintile or aircraft mount and never put into service as an infantry weapon because it was too heavy but it's far from impossible. And no this is not used like it was used in those movies but it is quite handy in urban combat.Specifically, in room to room combat, having a gun which can spew 4,000 bullets a minute is worth having accuraccy less than a shotgun.
and for the love of god I only have about 1,000 of the damn things in my whole military so I suggest we drop it.

By the way, USSNA, my yearly defense budget is nearly the size of your entire GDP.

EDIT: also as far as number of weapons, they carry two knives, two pistols and a primary weapon. Snipers and machine gunners also carry a secondary weapon.
Occasionaly secondary weapons will be used in place of or in addition to assault rifles. The reason for the amount of weapons is simply to provide a variety of firepower and redundant backups

Arnold is a General in my army :),

I've read that little article before and it doesn't mean crap for my purposes, My men dont carry 2,000 rounds, they only carry 550. The M134 Minigun is a REAL weapon, it was only used on a pintile or aircraft mount and never put into service as an infantry weapon because it was too heavy but it's far from impossible. And no this is not used like it was used in those movies but it is quite handy in urban combat.Specifically, in room to room combat, having a gun which can spew 4,000 bullets a minute is worth having accuraccy less than a shotgun.
and for the love of god I only have about 1,000 of the damn things in my whole military so I suggest we drop it.

By the way, USSNA, my yearly defense budget is nearly the size of your entire GDP.

Can I ask why you have a gun that can shoot 4,000 rounds per mintue, but only 550 rounds carried? And even then, it takes a while for the electronic motor to spin the gun. It'd only be worth roughly 7 seconds of firing, and even then if its for urban combat the soldier would be dead before the gun spun fully.

Also, as for a kevlar suit: Most modern 7.62mm rounds can easily pierce Kevlar.

Actually, miniguns would be awful for room to room combat, for the same reason soldiers prefer lighter, smaller weapons like Carbines, SMGs. Firstly, while your guys are bumbling around with a gun that large and waiting for it to spin up, you get shot.

If you want high ROF why not just give your men weapons with metalstorm firing systems?

Can I ask why you have a gun that can shoot 4,000 rounds per mintue, but only 550 rounds carried? And even then, it takes a while for the electronic motor to spin the gun. It'd only be worth roughly 7 seconds of firing, and even then if its for urban combat the soldier would be dead before the gun spun fully.

Also, as for a kevlar suit: Most modern 7.62mm rounds can easily pierce Kevlar.
Same reason if your using the 800 RPM M-16 even though you only have 210 rounds carried............ the sustained rate of fire for an M-16 is around 15 RPM...
Well you dont hold the trigger down for a full minute when your using this gun.... you dont hold the trigger down for a full minute on ANY automatic weapon unless you are gettting overrun. The wait time is only a few miliseconds due to the improved dynamo and battery. This gun would mainly be used for clearing out a building full of insurgents or enemy forces. Instead of leveling the building or clearing each room one by one, you would just walk from room to room spraying the walls and tossing a few HE grenades in. Of course your not going to do this unless you have cover. It's also simply used as a typical machinegun on bipod or tripod mount with belts or boxes of up to 1,200 rounds.
Either way this is only a small part of my military and I included it cause it looks f'in cool so can we please drop it :)



The kevlar suit and tactical helmet protect against small caliber rifle rounds, pistol rounds, bullet fragments and shrapnel. The additonal armor in the form of carbide/kevlar vest and the the ballistic helmet stops the 7.62X39mm and the 7.62mm NATO



If you want high ROF why not just give your men weapons with metalstorm firing systems?

You can't sustain a high ROF with metal storm, its a one or two shot deal, miss and your fucked, reloading is a bitch

But if one of my men came at your guy, who is wearing the Kevlar Suit...

Say my guy has a G3A4. 7.62mm NATO configuration.

Your guy is dead.

Well first of all they wear the bullet proof vest OVER the kevlar suit, so unless you hit my guy in the eyes, im afraid its your guy whose dead. :D

Just a question, aren't miniguns electrically operated? So in theory even a really strong guy carrying around a minigun would have to have about three people behind him carrying wired up batteries. Either that or he could pull along a diesel generator... :D

The battery wieghs ~7 lbs :rolleyes:

Would anyone care to comment on anything other than the minigun!?!

The battery wieghs ~7 lbs :rolleyes:

Would anyone care to comment on anything other than the minigun!?!

oh, ok sorry..... :headbang:

Oh yeah, I like the GL with attached micro uzi, very cool concept!

I love how you seaming pull technology out from nowhere.

So you have 4,000 rounds a mintue. Divide that by 60 seconds = 66.667 rounds per second. 550 rounds divided by 66.667 rounds per second = 8.25 seconds of ammo. This all means that you have virtually no time to adjust aiming and you run out of ammo very very very fast.

As for you GDP. I took your population (2,828,000,000) and took 2% of that (a standard peacetime military) and got 56,560,000 (your military size) I then took 45% of that (you army size) and got 25,452,000. I then multiplied that by 500,000 (your training price) and got 127,260,000,000,000. If you dont know you defense budget is $21,604,411,437,336. You are WAY over your budget.

I dont have 56,560,000 soldiers, and i sure as hell dont have 25,452,000 infantrymen...... if I did I would have taken over the world by now.
My total MILITARY is under 20 million
less than half of my ARMY is infantrymen, there are alot of support troops, tankers, aviators, artillery men, the list goes on.
GG

wow, such a small military, and you can defende such a large nation with this small number of troops? I might just have to take you over some day.

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And what is your comment on the minigun?

You dont need 50 million man armies, if you start raising multi-million man armies your economy is going to suffer greatly. In case of invasion I have over 100 million men and women who can be called up in the militia, but thats only a last resort.
China, withn a population of ~2 BILLION has a military of only about 2.5 million

Air Force (470,000 airmen; 2,556 jet fighters; 400 ground attack jets.)
Ground Force (Army) (1.9 million men; 14,000 tanks; 14,500 artillery pieces & 453 helicopters)
Navy (250,000 sailors; 63 submarines; 18 destroyers; 35 frigates)
Granted my economy is 100X better than there's....

On the minigun buzz off already, I said drop it. You dont like it, ignore it.
Works for the purpose that I use them for which is short term suppresing fire and room clearing. I also use the both the regular M134 and the 5.56mm variant as a traditonal medium machine gun, wanna rant about that too? Please don't. Enough with it already.

And I crtisize them too. I know it is a real weapon, just not an infantry one. And you plan on firing in a very limited arch of fire for 1 second? The thing is so heavy that it would require you to do a very heavy swing which would take a couple of seconds to do. Also, these solider must be carriering food and other supplies, so how are these men suppost to move?

How I use them.

Situation: 8 enemy soldiers are barricaded in a small house.
Mission: Kill or capture all enemy forces
Execution: Shotgun/Battering Ram to open the door, flashbang thrown, M134 opens fire, 2 quick bursts into the doorway :mp5: the rest of the team enters, M134 now fires through the walls into the next room, 1 quick burst (in order to get the enemy's heads down) Flashbang + HE thrown in, men w/ SMGs carbines and/or shotguns rush in and spray the area. Repeat for each room. If 1st M134 is out of ammo, second M134 moves in and continues.
Mission over.
Return to M-11 Rover for resupply and transport to the next mission

Also: used as traditonal medium machine gun with a 2 man crew, bipod or tripod and belts or boxes instead of the bac pack.

This is the final word on the matter and I wont respond to anything more on this subject since I have other things to do. :upyours:

Hey, if that is the tactic your goin to use, then hey, go ahead and do it. But I'm sure that your monecy cosuming army could use far better, more efficent techniches.

We do, such as destroying the target rather than clearing it. We use AT-5 rockets and 40mm grenades, precison missiles from aircraft and hummvees, rolling over and blasting away buldings with tanks very often in MOUT, it depends on the situation.

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