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Dimmimar begins to build Cobalt bomb

Dimmimar
17-12-2004, 23:51
"Hello, I'm James Handerson and this is DNN News."

"Today the Ministry of Defence broke it's twelve year silence and announced that Dimmimar was building a Cobalt bomb, a Weapon of Total Destruction. The Cobalt bomb is different from other nuclear missiles, it concentrates less on explosion and more on radioactive elements. The amount of radiation released by the bomb would linger for up to three thousand years, eliminating all life on Earth."

"However, this news was met with outright opposition by many people. The Society for Life or SOL, staged a mass-rally outside the Dimmimaran parliament, stopping the High Imperator from getting to his house. It seems that the Cobalt bomb is a no-no."

"Let's see this recording of a brief interview with the Minister of Defence, Bernard Hacker."

*The image changes to a small man, pursued by the media*

"Mr Hacker, surely this bomb is lethal, why would Dimmimar want to use it, or even possess it?"

"This will cement our power in the world, I am proud of our scientists for developing such a bomb."

"But still, even if we deployed it, It would still destroy all life, including us!"

"This weapon is a last resort, and if you will please excuse me I have a meeting to attend."

*The camera returns to the studio*

"Well, now onto other news, a woman today was killed when....."
Dimmimar
18-12-2004, 00:11
bump
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 09:12
1 thing, america has already made a cobalt bomb and cobalt is a extremely, extremely,*carries on 100 times* magnetic substance, they use it to keep taps in place becaus it doesn't rust.
the bomb has about 1 ton of cobalt and 1 speck of ignition(probably anti-matter), becaus cobalt is a fast burner to explode, i could split the world in2 and if not, nock the world off its axis and send us into another planet or the sun(wich in contrary with your story is named 'sol'
Axis Nova
18-12-2004, 09:13
1 thing, america has already made a cobalt bomb and cobalt is a extremely, extremely,*carries on 100 times* magnetic substance, they use it to keep taps in place becaus it doesn't rust.
the bomb has about 1 ton of cobalt and 1 speck of ignition(probably anti-matter), becaus cobalt is a fast burner to explode, i could split the world in2 and if not, nock the world off its axis and send us into another planet or the sun(wich in contrary with your story is named 'sol'

Your information is rather incorrect in many aspects.
Dimmimar
18-12-2004, 12:04
Erm actually, Cobalt would not knock the world of it's axis, it would merely irradiate it until humans would die out. Antimatter has not been made, and no country, even America has the resource to produce one, let alone detonate it!
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 12:15
1 thing, america has already made a cobalt bomb and cobalt is a extremely, extremely,*carries on 100 times* magnetic substance, they use it to keep taps in place becaus it doesn't rust.
the bomb has about 1 ton of cobalt and 1 speck of ignition(probably anti-matter), becaus cobalt is a fast burner to explode, i could split the world in2 and if not, nock the world off its axis and send us into another planet or the sun(wich in contrary with your story is named 'sol'
What the hell?? That's just... wrong... it's just wrong.
Camewot
18-12-2004, 12:26
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Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 13:03
i got the info from my science teacher, true antimatter isnt made yet, but cobalt is and explosive substance often used to hold taps in place. i don't think its a radiating substance

to prove how explosive it is, it actually destroys some of its own MATTER, and e=m(cc) means: energy made = mass destroyed x light speed squared, in 1 ton i cm cubed is destroyed so 1cm cubed x light speed squared =36926037000000000000000000000000000 cm cubed of energy trying to get out, thats 36926037000000000000000000000 m cubed, thats 3692603700000000000000 km cubed area of energy put into the explosion, and thats einstiens theary
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 13:12
Cobalt? Explosive? No... I dont think so...
Xenonier
18-12-2004, 13:17
1 thing, america has already made a cobalt bomb and cobalt is a extremely, extremely,*carries on 100 times* magnetic substance, they use it to keep taps in place becaus it doesn't rust.
the bomb has about 1 ton of cobalt and 1 speck of ignition(probably anti-matter), becaus cobalt is a fast burner to explode, i could split the world in2 and if not, nock the world off its axis and send us into another planet or the sun(wich in contrary with your story is named 'sol'

Google is your friend Tau. It will probably have links to websites who can say this far better than most ever could.

I was under the impression We can make antimatter (Antiparticles, if you really want to be scientific), but enough to ever be useful? No possible way thus far.

As for cobalt bombs, the only one I know of is the theorised one. That is essentially a "dirty" (In Laman's terms) radioactive bomb that , Instead of generating additional explosive force from fission of the uranium (As I remember happens in it's closest bomb relatives, Hydrogen bombs) bomb, the cobalt is Changed (Or Transformed, transmuted, whatever you wish to call it) into cobalt-60, which has a half-life of 5.26 years and produces gamma rays. The gamma rays are the deadly radiation Dimminar is talking about.

Or that's how I remember it. I haven't studied bombs of this type since I left Russia over 8 years ago ... my memory is probably sketchy.
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 13:18
You really dont understand do you... yes, it contains a lot of energy, if it were all turned into energy, but it isnt. In a fission explosion only about 0.015% of the substance is turned into energy...

BY your reckoning pretty much everything is incredibly explosive. Except light.

EDIT: That was @ Tau.
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 13:23
its not a fussion explosion
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 13:24
I didnt actually say it was.

What type do you think it is?
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 13:30
i would say combustion, if it was fussion then its still 66.666...g if 1 metric ton is used
The Atreides Empire
18-12-2004, 13:34
Cobalt bombs? like on startrek voyager?
Lindim
18-12-2004, 14:10
You really dont understand do you... yes, it contains a lot of energy, if it were all turned into energy, but it isnt. In a fission explosion only about 0.015% of the substance is turned into energy...

BY your reckoning pretty much everything is incredibly explosive. Except light.

EDIT: That was @ Tau.

OOC: The Hiroshima atomic bomb had a 1.5% percent efficiency.

Anyways, what Xen was talking about is called an isomer bomb, and the science behind is very, very sketchy, and many respected scientists doubt the findings of the Texas team that proposed the isomer bomb.

I still can't imagine what a Cobalt Bomb would be made of. Besides magic.
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 15:52
its made of cobalt and somthing to ignight it
Lindim
18-12-2004, 15:55
its made of cobalt and somthing to ignight it

Was that a joke? If so, haha. :p
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 15:59
i would say combustion, if it was fussion then its still 66.666...g if 1 metric ton is used
Combustion! E=MC2 (it doesnt do the squared thing) has NOTHING TO DO WITH COMBUSTION!

*shakes head in disbelief*

@Lindim: sorry about the wrong stat, but I knew it was something low like that. You get a lot of left-over material.
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 16:14
it tells us how much energy is made when matter is destroyed, it has everything to do with any explosion
Praetonia
18-12-2004, 16:20
In combustion, matter is not destroyed. Oxygen is reacted to form a new molecule. NOTHING IS DESTROYED. Example, using hydrogen:

You start with

Two molecules of H2 and one of 02.

You combust them.

Energy is released, and two lots of H2O are formed. Nothing is destroyed, only re-arranged. The theory of relativity does not apply. You really dont understand this, Tau.

Anyway, an explosion is the rapid release of gas, it is not a large release of energy.
Tau un ben
18-12-2004, 16:38
ok i was rong
Dragonryders
18-12-2004, 17:12
Hiroshima bomb 'lost' only 1 gram of matter. Anyway, you might want to read 'On the Beach' by Nevil Shute. I believe he also mentioned something about 5 years half-life.
It's the radioactive fallout that kills the world, in that book. Very interesting because the book is written in 1957, and describes 1961.
Xenonier
19-12-2004, 08:24
OOC: The Hiroshima atomic bomb had a 1.5% percent efficiency.

Anyways, what Xen was talking about is called an isomer bomb, and the science behind is very, very sketchy, and many respected scientists doubt the findings of the Texas team that proposed the isomer bomb.

I still can't imagine what a Cobalt Bomb would be made of. Besides magic.

OOC: I agree - I can't see one being made on our current knowledge anytime soon, unless ou governments know more than we do.

Which means that Dimminar would have a challenge to do this properly, if respected scientists doubt the theories behind it.
Dimmimar
19-12-2004, 09:53
OOC:
Look, it is possible to create a Cobalt bomb. But their would be absolutely no use for it! I mean you can hardly launch in as a first strike!
Dragonryders
19-12-2004, 15:02
OOC: I agree - I can't see one being made on our current knowledge anytime soon, unless ou governments know more than we do.
The bombs used in the book were Cobalt bombs. So back in 1957, the writer knew about them. By now, they can definitely be built. It's just one really big dirty bomb. Any moron with some grands can purchase a dirty bomb, so any government as suffisticated and control-freaked as the USA can build a Cobalt Bomb.
Tau un ben
19-12-2004, 21:34
yes
Lindim
19-12-2004, 21:41
The bombs used in the book were Cobalt bombs. So back in 1957, the writer knew about them. By now, they can definitely be built. It's just one really big dirty bomb. Any moron with some grands can purchase a dirty bomb, so any government as suffisticated and control-freaked as the USA can build a Cobalt Bomb.

One, it is a story, two, no matter how big a dirty bomb you make, it could not fit the specifications in the original post.
Mondoth
19-12-2004, 21:53
been watching planet of the apes have we? (or one of those cult sci-fi flicks from the sixties about how nukes are gonna end the world) a cobalt bomb would have nothing like the effect you describe (which is exactly what was described in whatever movie i'm thinking of) a cobalt bomb is only slightly dirtier than the hiroshima bomb but with the explosive force more akin to a modern warhead. anti matter (or anti particles what have you) have been created in laboratory conditions only anti hydrogen has been created this way and the most ever created at one time; 10 whole atoms. the longest any single atom has survived in a secure laboratory setting with out outside interference; .00006 seconds.
Lindim
19-12-2004, 22:00
been watching planet of the apes have we? (or one of those cult sci-fi flicks from the sixties about how nukes are gonna end the world) a cobalt bomb would have nothing like the effect you describe (which is exactly what was described in whatever movie i'm thinking of) a cobalt bomb is only slightly dirtier than the hiroshima bomb but with the explosive force more akin to a modern warhead. anti matter (or anti particles what have you) have been created in laboratory conditions only anti hydrogen has been created this way and the most ever created at one time; 10 whole atoms. the longest any single atom has survived in a secure laboratory setting with out outside interference; .00006 seconds.

Excellent points.

Also proof that intelligence is not revealed through grammar. :P
Tau un ben
21-12-2004, 19:52
in theary the only way to contain anti-matter is in a vacume box held with magnets, otherwise when it hit the side it would blow up
Tau un ben
12-01-2005, 08:16
is this thread done or what?
Dragonryders
12-01-2005, 20:42
I don't see anyone replying...
Ratheia
12-01-2005, 21:37
-OfficialR atheian Government Response-

Amusingly enough, we have already placed Cobalt Bombs on several of our ICBM's.