NationStates Jolt Archive

Anything that isn't clear in the rules (or plain wrong (gram, sp?)) please post here.

How should the StartingCredits be calculated?

Once decided upon that we can give all the countries a starting bid.

Calendar: Alphabetical or mixed?
Also, how to devide (or not) Australia, USA, Canada, China and Russia?

For more info on rules or if you want to subscribe, go to MAIN thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382224)

"If you want to, you can re-open any auction (even if the country you want to re-open for auction isn’t yours). The country will be placed at the bottom of the calendar. Until re-auctioned the country will remain property of the current owner.
When, after 48 hours, the highest bidder is still the owner, the difference will be substracted from his/her credits. If ownership changes, the winner will have to pay 20% more than his/her actual (and the highest) bid. This means the challenger(s) can only bid a maximum of 83% of his/her credits."

So you could randomly lose your nation without any IC justification? That doesnt sound good...
If someone really wants a certain country, but decides on that after it has already been sold, he gets a second chance. Ofcourse he'll need to pay a lot more (20%). The previous owner will get his bid back ofcourse. You shan't have to pay for something you don't own any more.

Edit: I made a slight change to the rules so that the previous owner has to be informed about his country getting re-opened for auction. (per TG)

OOC: It should definetely be that the person has to give permission for the country to go back up for auction. And if it does they should get the money. On the credit system the amount should be based on a few things, population, economic strength, number of posts, and rping ability.

OOC: It should definetely be that the person has to give permission for the country to go back up for auction. And if it does they should get the money. On the credit system the amount should be based on a few things, population, economic strength, number of posts, and rping ability.

When some-one with a lot of credits REALLY wants this certain country that already is sold, I think it is fair to give him/her that chance, but it will mean he/she gets to pay a lot more for it than the current owner wants to give for it. That's why I stated the 20% extra costs in case of a take-over through re-opening. IC-conquering costs you nothing extra, and you don't have to worry about if you can afford it. (You do need to worry about if you can afford a war, but that's IC, ofcourse)
The money can't go to the previous owner, he/she shall just get back what he/she paid for it. Example: Some tiny NS-nation got lucky with just enough credits to buy Luxembourg for it's starting worth. Someone re-opens and buys Luxembourg for an incredible amount of credits (multiple bidders were involved, and the price skyrocketed this time). That would mean that tiny nation gets that incredible amount of credits? Wrong...

I agree on your first three points: population, economic strength and number of posts. However they all change over time. It would mean that people who subscribe to the auction later, have more credits, while some other nations, who are already in, have a larger population and number of posts. We'll have to figure that out...
RPing ability. That's definitely not a good idea to include. It would mean all the players have to be rated, which is not only hard, but also a lot of work.

For the formula, we'll first have to decide what is an average country, and what is an average NS-population/economic strength/number of posts.

Let's say Venezuela is pretty average. Has some strategical uses, not too big.
We set Venezuela at 100,000.
Now, what is an average NS-population etc?

HEY! I'm asking everybody. Wake up!

Bump. Enthusiasts wanted

Average NS-population will be very high since there are so many billion + nations out there. I have only 509 million so I won't get very many credit will I?

Well, relatively not much. Someone has to tell me what an average population and postcount is, because I wouldn't know.

" "If you want to, you can re-open any auction (even if the country you want to re-open for auction isn’t yours). The country will be placed at the bottom of the calendar. Until re-auctioned the country will remain property of the current owner.
When, after 48 hours, the highest bidder is still the owner, the difference will be substracted from his/her credits. If ownership changes, the winner will have to pay 20% more than his/her actual (and the highest) bid. This means the challenger(s) can only bid a maximum of 83% of his/her credits."

So you could randomly lose your nation without any IC justification? That doesnt sound good..."

"Nope, the current owner will be informed. However this thread is for Subscription only. It's written 3 times, and quite large too. For questions: go to the Discussionthread"

Informed, yes, but there will be no IC justification. They will just be forced into a stupid OOC handover.

(...) On the credit system the amount should be based on a few things, population, economic strength, number of posts, and rping ability.
If you have a good rp-ing ability you are probably better at taking over countries, so that's why we can leave that out of the credit system.

Informed, yes, but there will be no IC justification. They will just be forced into a stupid OOC handover.
Pros: Larger NS-nations (with more credits) will get the more popular countries. Therefor they are lilely to be positioned nearer to each other, making the wars fairer in numbers.
And what if someone set his mind to France, and wanted to save up all his/her credits for that auction. That means he wouldn't bid on his/her second choice if it was auctioned earlier.
Cons: When you spent all your credits, you have nothing to bid with anymore, and 'defend' your ownership.

I think you're right, this rule isn't quite justified as it is. I'm thinking: Re-opening can only happen if at least 3 players request it, and the owner is informed.
Or is it still too mild, or do you think anything else?

I would have thought someone would actually have to invade. And isnt setting it up so the bigger nations have all the good countries bad?

I would have thought someone would actually have to invade. And isnt setting it up so the bigger nations have all the good countries bad?
No, that's exactly what makes it interesting to auction the countries. So you can see what countries have the highest value.

Besides, the bigger nations can buy the better countries, ooor a lot of lesser ones. It's their choice after all.

No, that's exactly what makes it interesting to auction the countries. So you can see what countries have the highest value.

Besides, the bigger nations can buy the better countries, ooor a lot of lesser ones. It's their choice after all.
Yes I agree with auctioning them in the beginning, but if you want a country someone has already bought then you should have to invade. As for bigger nations... it really should be done on size / economy. Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better if you have a bad econ.

Yes I agree with auctioning them in the beginning, but if you want a country someone has already bought then you should have to invade. As for bigger nations... it really should be done on size / economy. Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better if you have a bad econ.

Economy changes faster than pop-size. Also, I don't want people to build an economy because of this thread, instead of just choosing what they want on issues. Or people who build a mega-economy, subscribe, and then go back to where their economy was. That's like cheating.
Maybe it isn't such a problem, but it is a problem needing to be solved. Just like pop-size, which grows steadily, so it'll be less of a problem, but is still subject to changes.

What if you really want Cuba (Which was bought by a small nation, but it actually was your second choice: You saved your credits for bidding on France) and you don't have any land yet.?

Anyway, what's an average population and economy?

URGENT: EarthAuction is going to stop if nobody replies and subscribes. That would be.... now.

EARTHAUCTION CLOSED

(at least for quite some time)