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OOC:
Ok, since when has reading secret IC messages become standard?
>>> http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/61446/page=display_region/region=red_bloc_army
No i want the RP open, Guff is trying to convince all my Allies to Close the RP, when i want the RP open, i have such a massive plan prepared i am going to crush them, More allies however are needed in Europe.

RF, we need this RP open, If its closed we are only playing into the hands to Guff, as i have seen what he has Planned and we will have problems if its Closed.

IF, your Aid in Europe would be greatly appreciated!
Wow you're such a genious! I telegrammed FOUR allies of yours (Euroslavia, Independent Hitmen, Russian Forces and Momanguise) excluding you asking to close the RP. Well we wouldn't be in this kind of trouble when he just accepted but no. After all, we play to win!
And as I expected you like to read OOC and secret IC eh? Did you ever considered that might be classed as foul play? Unfair advantage? Low tactics? Obviously not.
Talking about unfair advantage and other of this low shit I have more of this! Since you and Chellis are such good friends why don't you two work out a perfect RL claims thread for both of you where you can sit and look all day to your nice pieces of land. Don't tell me this is a fine example of claiming territory or anyone would class this as good or at least above average. Or has he been posting large images to lift this RP over the bar of acceptable roleplay? I somehow doubt it. You know what I think? I think he just wants more. It's funny I get accused of claimswanking by Chellis & co and this is accepted by Chellis?
>>> http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=315086

So afraid of losing? Here's an idea: call in a million of your allies and dogpile the persons who were looking for a good and fun RP. Don't care about anyone of the opposition or their desire to leave out the dogpiling. We are winning so we are in charge. Yes dogpiling nations makes up for an amazing and balanced RP story.
Why not start your "alliance politics" to teach you and your precious NWO the diffirence between IC, secret IC and OOC? Why don't you tell Wolfish lurking on an OOC forum isn't legal for RP's? No wait, an alliance needs people like him to pull off low tricks like that otherwise we cannot win every minor skirmish! Here's another stupendous idea: RPs (thus nationstates as a whole) is meant to win and not for fun! We all play to win right? Are a few basic rules most people abide to going to stop a big bad 3.7 billion nation? Hell no! Screw the rules! I'm doing whatever the hell I want whenever I want and I just ignore those away who don't agree.

I am short about this: the RP is over. My apologies to both parties involved. Thank Twist, he fucked it up.
And Twist for once when you reply to this don't start every damn noun or verb with a capital letter, it's very annoying to read. I thought it would be fun to kill time with a good RP during the weekends and after hours but alas, some things never change.

PS: You can also thank Twist for messing up the Kazahkstan thing. He insisted it wouldn't affect the course of NatioStates history in any possible way ie not having to take any dramatic losses.

ooc: Holy buggering shit, I just find out that I have more time on my hands for a great RP and it all collapses.

Damn, I really am peeved about this. Also though, what is 'winning' in NS? Wiping a player out? That is possibly the worst thing about this game, to destroy a nation.

Anyway, not good.

you can't really wipe a player out.
winning isn't the point either.
I don't think that was DT's intention.

Let him moan.

Come on people, move along, nothing to see here.

OCC:

Making a run for it while you can are we? You must be Scared. I have talked to those Nations and they told me they wanted it Open after i explained to them that, If you attack a Member of an Alliance you attack the Alliance as a whole, and the Alliance should stand together to Defend its Members. You have done nothing but Send Propaganda to NWO members and its Allies during the Whole time, trying to convince them that Closing the war is in our Alliances best choice. When will you get it through your Head?

This is nothing but proof to me allies around the globe that the leader of RWC, is scared of all out war with other nations, You alliance is worth Nothing, its on the verge of Collapse you have members leaving left right and center you are at war with NATO and METUS, and now you come to Europe looking for a closed RP, you wouldn't get it because you are such a hated enemy now in NS itself, I am Suggesting to all nations within RWC to leave the Alliance, the leadership of this alliance is corrupt and is only looking for world conquest, we have seen members attack other nations and start world wars, and yet the alliance still hasn’t been fully cleared of its trouble makers.

I can't keep my mouth shut
Shut it and leave.

OCC:

Making a run for it while you can are we? You must be Scared. I have talked to those Nations and they told me they wanted it Open after i explained to them that, If you attack a Member of an Alliance you attack the Alliance as a whole, and the Alliance should stand together to Defend its Members. You have done nothing but Send Propaganda to NWO members and its Allies during the Whole time, trying to convince them that Closing the war is in our Alliances best choice. When will you get it through your Head?

This is nothing but proof to me allies around the globe that the leader of RWC, is scared of all out war with other nations, You alliance is worth Nothing, its on the verge of Collapse you have members leaving left right and center you are at war with NATO and METUS, and now you come to Europe looking for a closed RP, you wouldn't get it because you are such a hated enemy now in NS itself, I am Suggesting to all nations within RWC to leave the Alliance, the leadership of this alliance is corrupt and is only looking for world conquest, we have seen members attack other nations and start world wars, and yet the alliance still hasn’t been fully cleared of its trouble makers. Having a bad time evading all my comments? And this post is the best piece of evidence you can't think logically. Oh wait, you are basicly saying that Russian Forces, Euroslavia and Independent Hitmen are lying?
The question was the same, should the RP be closed?

The Union of Socialist Republics of Russian Forces
Received: 2 days ago I agree! Closed RP would be best for this. I hate the OCC shit too mate.

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The United Freedom Forces of Euroslavia
Received: 4 days ago First of all, I wanna apologize for the God-awful post that I made late that night. That's probably the most embarrassing thing I've done in a long time.

Secondly, I think that we should have an equal amount of nations in the war. Dr Twist, RF, me, ViZion, and maybe one of the other DT Allies, along with you, and your allies. For everyone else, I think it should be closed. That's just my opinion. Make everything fair so the RP will be good. What's your opinion?

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The United States of Independent Hitmen
Received: 4 days ago To a reasonable amount of ppl who will be active. Dont tell twist i said this, but i think having it open to all is asking for it to end in a flame war. Perhaps a limited number of people would be better to keeping the RP going, and it not degenerating into a flame war as so many have recently.

Thats my thoughts, please dont pass them on with my name on.

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Sorry IH, but Twist has a very hard head. Mods are allowed to check the truthfulness of these telegrams. And again you fail to seperate IC from OOC. Maybe you haven't got it through your thick skull, but this whole thread and each reply in it is OOC. There is not a single shred of IC material here so I don't even think how the hell you can state this as a weakness of the RWC. And what have they to do with it? I can also start about you. You apologizes for creating the NWO when it was the most unstable alliance on the globe and everyone was laughing in your face. Or when you cut ties with AMF and then tried to fix them after realizing what you have done. And now you have turned your post and attitude to beg people to leave the RWC? Well how many out of our 63 have left? 10? I could care less, they haven't even been on the forums. I have seen some incoherent posts on Jolt but this one wins with flying colors.

And am I scared for war? If I was I wouldn't be making a plan to invade you... Oh wait, you mean the war with METUS? 3 inactive future tech nations who desperately try to get some of the honour and respect back they enjoyed months ago? I'm shaking in my boots.

PS: Why don't you go into discussion with me about your comment on the RBA board? Or is that too "incriminating"?

OCC:

Making a run for it while you can are we? You must be Scared. I have talked to those Nations and they told me they wanted it Open after i explained to them that, If you attack a Member of an Alliance you attack the Alliance as a whole, and the Alliance should stand together to Defend its Members. You have done nothing but Send Propaganda to NWO members and its Allies during the Whole time, trying to convince them that Closing the war is in our Alliances best choice. When will you get it through your Head?

This is nothing but proof to me allies around the globe that the leader of RWC, is scared of all out war with other nations, You alliance is worth Nothing, its on the verge of Collapse you have members leaving left right and center you are at war with NATO and METUS, and now you come to Europe looking for a closed RP, you wouldn't get it because you are such a hated enemy now in NS itself, I am Suggesting to all nations within RWC to leave the Alliance, the leadership of this alliance is corrupt and is only looking for world conquest, we have seen members attack other nations and start world wars, and yet the alliance still hasn’t been fully cleared of its trouble makers.

OWNED

Shouldn't you be posting with Rudolfensia or East Whittier or Whittier2? It only makes you look even more stupid.

Shouldn't you be posting with Rudolfensia or East Whittier or Whittier2? It only makes you look even more stupid.
I'm not going to honor that with a response.

I'm not going to honor that with a response.

Well you just did. Suck it up.

Well you just did. Suck it up.
I'm not the one with the problem.

Go away whittier, this is not your debate.

Shut it and leave.

Having a bad time evading all my comments? And this post is the best piece of evidence you can't think logically. Oh wait, you are basicly saying that Russian Forces, Euroslavia and Independent Hitmen are lying?
The question was the same, should the RP be closed?

The Union of Socialist Republics of Russian Forces
Received: 2 days ago I agree! Closed RP would be best for this. I hate the OCC shit too mate.

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The United Freedom Forces of Euroslavia
Received: 4 days ago First of all, I wanna apologize for the God-awful post that I made late that night. That's probably the most embarrassing thing I've done in a long time.

Secondly, I think that we should have an equal amount of nations in the war. Dr Twist, RF, me, ViZion, and maybe one of the other DT Allies, along with you, and your allies. For everyone else, I think it should be closed. That's just my opinion. Make everything fair so the RP will be good. What's your opinion?

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The United States of Independent Hitmen
Received: 4 days ago To a reasonable amount of ppl who will be active. Dont tell twist i said this, but i think having it open to all is asking for it to end in a flame war. Perhaps a limited number of people would be better to keeping the RP going, and it not degenerating into a flame war as so many have recently.

Thats my thoughts, please dont pass them on with my name on.

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Sorry IH, but Twist has a very hard head. Mods are allowed to check the truthfulness of these telegrams. And again you fail to seperate IC from OOC. Maybe you haven't got it through your thick skull, but this whole thread and each reply in it is OOC. There is not a single shred of IC material here so I don't even think how the hell you can state this as a weakness of the RWC. And what have they to do with it? I can also start about you. You apologizes for creating the NWO when it was the most unstable alliance on the globe and everyone was laughing in your face. Or when you cut ties with AMF and then tried to fix them after realizing what you have done. And now you have turned your post and attitude to beg people to leave the RWC? Well how many out of our 63 have left? 10? I could care less, they haven't even been on the forums. I have seen some incoherent posts on Jolt but this one wins with flying colors.

And am I scared for war? If I was I wouldn't be making a plan to invade you... Oh wait, you mean the war with METUS? 3 inactive future tech nations who desperately try to get some of the honour and respect back they enjoyed months ago? I'm shaking in my boots.

PS: Why don't you go into discussion with me about your comment on the RBA board? Or is that too "incriminating"?

4/5 of your Alliance is Inactive anyways. You have already begun to Flame in this Thread, So be careful or I will call the Mods.

I don't Believe i have anything to Explain, its Open for all to Read, however the Information is OCC, You are just running Scared now because you wanted a Closed RP when I wanted a Open one, You were going to be attacking me and as such i was going to call upon my allies, If i was going to RP with someone respectable i would close the RP, however this RP would of been left open in my eyes, As such i was going to exercise my right to call in my allies and as such i did. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean i shouldn't do it.

1/5 of your Alliance is Inactive anyways. You have already begun to Flame in this Thread, So be careful or I will call the Mods.

I don't Believe i have anything to Explain, its Open for all to Read, however the Information is OCC, You are just running Scared now because you wanted a Closed RP when I wanted a Open one, You were going to be attacking me and as such i was going to call upon my allies, If i was going to RP with someone respectable i would close the RP, however this RP would of been left open in my eyes, As such i was going to exercise my right to call in my allies and as such i did. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean i shouldn't do it.

You are the one who is scared, you are the one who cant win without the help of a billion others.

ooc: Guys, lets just stop this argument now before people say things they may regret.

1/5 of your Alliance is Inactive anyways. You have already begun to Flame in this Thread, So be careful or I will call the Mods.

I don't Believe i have anything to Explain, its Open for all to Read, however the Information is OCC, You are just running Scared now because you wanted a Closed RP when I wanted a Open one, You were going to be attacking me and as such i was going to call upon my allies, If i was going to RP with someone respectable i would close the RP, however this RP would of been left open in my eyes, As such i was going to exercise my right to call in my allies and as such i did. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean i shouldn't do it.Well if you don't explain things then it can be marked as a sign of weakness. And that's all that matters eh Twist. Have you noticed you're saying the same in every reply? I want it closed, you wanted it open. I want a million allies and you don't. You are weak and I am not. Well who's weak here? When I am open to everyone and letting everyone know what's going on or just shutting up about it and having it your way? Would you have posted something like this if the RP was cancelled? Or does this perfectly fits your idea of winning?

I wouldn't start this thread if I knew beforehand I regret things. I'm not flaming, I'm calling things the way they are. I also don't see what the RWC has to do with this.

The perils of ignorance.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to RP a war with 8 people on each side? Its hard enough with 4 with 8 it would be a mess. First you have different posting time some people are more active then others so some battles are going to be days behind another one so something you do 4 days in the future in another battle could become null and void because of something that got delayed because of a slow poster. Then you have to sort through all the attack figure out whos who and where there forces are. God forbid you launch a general attack at the whole bunch thats a casualty calculating nightmare.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to RP a war with 8 people on each side? Its hard enough with 4 with 8 it would be a mess. First you have different posting time some people are more active then others so some battles are going to be days behind another one so something you do 4 days in the future in another battle could become null and void because of something that got delayed because of a slow poster. Then you have to sort through all the attack figure out whos who and where there forces are. God forbid you launch a general attack at the whole bunch thats a casualty calculating nightmare.
Yeah and when you miss one battle in the consternation they go WTF GODMOD I REFUSE TO PLAY WITH GODMODDERS. Same old story, that's what I tried to prevent but hey, can you expect a normal* RP with someone who plays for more land and to win? It's not that I mind playing with the others, I have nothing against them. I want a war for once without things that make it into 9 out of 10 wars on NS. Those are not worthwhile and certainly not worth to reread again. It's a shame this had to end this way, I would love to have played this after Christmas but thanks to a stubborn element it aint gonna happen.

*normal means a roleplay without lots of OOC garbage and extreme numberwanking. There is always godmodding in every RP so I guess it became standard.

Why not start your "alliance politics" to teach you and your precious NWO the diffirence between IC, secret IC and OOC? Why don't you tell Wolfish lurking on an OOC forum isn't legal for RP's? No wait, an alliance needs people like him to pull off low tricks like that otherwise we cannot win every minor skirmish!

For the record - I have never lurked in any forum - RWC or otherwise. I have never mined a forum for ooc information.

I merely argued with you over what constitutes ooc and ic. I believe if something is said in your characters voice, even if its off the NS site, then its fair game (unless marked secret).

And I'd appreciate in the future, that if you want to insult me - do it in a thread addressed to me, not to someone else.

So what was wrong with the multiple battlefronts idea? Two RWC nations vs two NWO nations per front. Much easier way of doing it, proposed, I believe, by one of your members.

There's a very clear border between OOC, IC and secret IC. No matter where you talk and what you say that has any relation to a RP it's OOC unless you mark it as IC. That's how I always play and that's how the majority plays. Hell, when I discuss things about any RP on msn or any other medium on the internet do I have to add OOC tags? There is absolutely NOTHING in character or even that closely resembles as in character on the RWC forums. The mistake lies there I believe but still people have been using information and secret IC from the forum(s) for their own purposes.

Do you approve that?

And McLeod03, the idea sounds great but I don't feel like playing with someone who publicly admits doing the abovementioned things. I had a feeling Twist would be doing this but I wouldn't shout it in the open if I wasn't very certain about it. Maybe I'll replace the name Dr_Twist with Euroslavia and have a fun RP. There's a person who will never try any of those silly tricks just to win.

This whole thing just serves to corobarate my theory on Inter alliance wars:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374992

RWC, NATO and NWO style alliances are pointless because of it.

I think we have all been here long enough to realise that people will find ways around SIC comments. When you start huge exercises, or buildups, and other nations start sending troops to your nation, anyone with a half decent satellite network is going to find out about it. You can't keep it secret for long, and its hardly "fun" if you don't allowthe people you are attacking to form some kind of defense.

I say we all ignore this OOC bullshit, and start back from where we (the NWO) first got wind of strange goings on in Guffingford. You can't tell me you managed to keep it all entirely secret. Perhaps if NWO allies join once you launch the opening attacks?

Massive build-ups can't be kept secret I completely agree with that statement. But reading my plans of invasion is a diffirent matter entirely.
Read what Twist said on the board. Does that indicate he isn't going to use the secret knowledge? I'm not gonna bet on it.
I don't mind a few allies joining or having a closed RP. Both can be very dynamic but some people are so afraid to lose they have to call in all their allies and their allies making it completely unnecassery to RP in an orderly fashion. You must see Praetonia's link, it has a better explanation for what WILL happen.

So what was wrong with the multiple battlefronts idea? Two RWC nations vs two NWO nations per front. Much easier way of doing it, proposed, I believe, by one of your members.

Yeah. That was me, it was a general idea about the RWC should conduct large scale wars but it seemed very appropriate to this one.

The point is we don't mind the two on two, one on one or one on two scenarios. Thats fine...

What we mind is a million people coming in from every which way getting involved and screwing up the system. The smaller the war the more fun it is simply because you're not having to look 5 pages back for what somebody said X age ago. Also, in those kind of wars you tend to get lots of various forms of wanking especially of the Tech/Numerical variety. I hope you can understand our side on the matter.

With the battlefront idea it can only really work if you also have a coherant central thread/command. I'd be quite happy working in conjunciton with others to set it up properly but like I said it'd only work with a closed thread otherwise it would get into a series of mass wars ending up in flaming, OOC commentary and/or general ignores.

Now, HP calm down, I know your annoyed at Twist, I can't say I am impressed either with his attitude on this matter, but we had best resolve this decently not by having mods come in. Ok? Oh and Twist try and be reasonable, most people here are not here for alliance politics only fun RPs. Besides I would like the opporunity to fight RF/Mormanguise/IH and others in a proper war... :D

I think we have all been here long enough to realise that people will find ways around SIC comments. When you start huge exercises, or buildups, and other nations start sending troops to your nation, anyone with a half decent satellite network is going to find out about it. You can't keep it secret for long, and its hardly "fun" if you don't allowthe people you are attacking to form some kind of defense.

I say we all ignore this OOC bullshit, and start back from where we (the NWO) first got wind of strange goings on in Guffingford. You can't tell me you managed to keep it all entirely secret. Perhaps if NWO allies join once you launch the opening attacks?

I think the point is McL that you don't know where the forces are going to attack but you would take measures but not full scale war footing such as calling in loads of allied troops. If you see what I mean... small-medium deployments would be fine but not 'I'm sending tens of thousands of aircraft and a few million troops'. These come later when battle is joined... :)

As long as NWO stated who would join in later or they properly applied to join later that would be fine (talking max 4 nations... or perhaps one to a battlefront. It's just the idea of a free-for-all... which causes the problems.

Yeah. That was me, it was a general idea about the RWC should conduct large scale wars but it seemed very appropriate to this one.

Yeah, I thought it was, but couldn't be sure.

Besides I would like the opporunity to fight RF/Mormanguise/IH and others in a proper war... :D

How come everyone forgets me???


Guff - To me, that's him OOCly responding to information that he would OOCly know about. As far as im aware, the decision on whether an RP is closed or open is an OOC decision, not an IC one. I can't see him using OOC or SIC stuff ICly really.

So are we going ahead with the split battlefronts idea? What do the RWC say? Personally, I'm all up for it, been FAR too long since I had a decent war, if I ever actually did.

The split battlefronts sounds ok, but we MUST be very firm about this and the number of people musn't be unlimited. If Twist agrees then I want this thread deleted.

How come everyone forgets me???


I didn't but to make yourself visable you could dye yourself different colours :D... No I wasn't sure if you were wanting to get involved.


So are we going ahead with the split battlefronts idea? What do the RWC say? Personally, I'm all up for it, been FAR too long since I had a decent war, if I ever actually did.

Well since I am sure HP would like the war to happen... pretty certain actually. I think we would be very willing to try this out. Perhaps we can set an example of how to actually fight a war.

Now, HP calm down, I know your annoyed at Twist, I can't say I am impressed either with his attitude on this matter, but we had best resolve this decently not by having mods come in. Ok? Oh and Twist try and be reasonable, most people here are not here for alliance politics only fun RPs. Besides I would like the opporunity to fight RF/Mormanguise/IH and others in a proper war... :D

The Point is, He is Attacking me, Not Russian Forces or any one else, All i have done is exercise my right to call upon my allies for my National Defense, he never discuss it with me before his Mobilization or anything, he Started it with his Original OCC thread and then later tried to convince me to Close it, but by that stage o had already made up my mind that it would be Open.

Guffingford Showed his Anger before hand to me that he is only Interested in my Nations Death (OCC Information), So I took my own Steps for my Nations Defense and Revenge for the Attempted Death OCC:ly of my Nation, All I did was Defend myself, and if that’s Illegal ill call the police right now and get them to arrest me.

Also Guffingford, Everyone uses OCC Knowledge in OCC ways, i Communicated with him OCC:ly, it is Still completely OCC.

The problem comes when we start limiting it. In RL, if a smaller group launched an attack on a UN member, wouldn't the UN members get involved in defense? Perhaps if we placed a limit, say 50% of NWO nations military as a MAXIMUM deployed to the war?

I didn't but to make yourself visable you could dye yourself different colours :D... No I wasn't sure if you were wanting to get involved.


Too right. I've got a certain nation with a three word name right at the top of my black list.

The problem comes when we start limiting it. In RL, if a smaller group launched an attack on a UN member, wouldn't the UN members get involved in defense? Perhaps if we placed a limit, say 50% of NWO nations military as a MAXIMUM deployed to the war?

Put it this way.

The more members you have, the harder it is to RP. The only way to compensate this is to increase battlezones. Now like I said stating who you want before hand is fine but not the zillion n00bs and assorted afiliates you get in these kind of wars normally. I mean if you want 15 NWO members fine but we will bring 10-15 RWC members and they would be split down into groups of 1-2 on each side. I.e. some people who take the naval forces in the Baltic, somebody else the Northern thrust. etc...

But this isn't the UN, this is not Real life. If it was real life or a non-RPing game t'would be fine. But one has to think of sensible limits in this environment in order to allow people to have fun in the RPs. You RP you nations as far you can towards the real thing, but you can't run wars/alliances like the real thing... you have to have it very focused and narrow in the warzones.

Also, we should come to think of it ask all nations involved to post their tech up so we get any tech fights out of the way before hand.

The Point is, He is Attacking me, Not Russian Forces or any one else, All i have done is exercise my right to call upon my allies for my National Defense, he never discuss it with me before his Mobilization or anything, he Started it with his Original OCC thread and then later tried to convince me to Close it, but by that stage o had already made up my mind that it would be Open.


The point I am trying to get through to you is that this can be used a pretext to having a much funner and wider war. But it has to be organised and closed in order for it to work.

You can call upon allies but not every single one... see what I wrote to McL for why you simply can't do this if you want a decent RP.

I would like to suggust to the others involved that should Twist insist on this being open a closed war would be available to the others who have expressed an interest. Because come on this isn't about alliances this about groups of rivals having fun :D

Also, we should come to think of it ask all nations involved to post their tech up so we get any tech fights out of the way before hand.

Well, as soon as people respond to the thread about this in the NWO forums, we'll know how many are prepared for a war. Then we can divide it into battlefronts, an start a tech thread. Problem is, if people post EVERYTHING they have, it could clog up the thread quickly. How about explaining it 'if you think it needs explaining'? So anything thats radically different from a recognisable RL design? Although, then, that's pretty much everything I operate.

The point I am trying to get through to you is that this can be used a pretext to having a much funner and wider war. But it has to be organised and closed in order for it to work.

You can call upon allies but not every single one... see what I wrote to McL for why you simply can't do this if you want a decent RP.

I would like to suggust to the others involved that should Twist insist on this being open a closed war would be available to the others who have expressed an interest. Because come on this isn't about alliances this about groups of rivals having fun :D

I personally wouldn't mind for it to be a closed war, but the person wishing for the war is praying for my blood and for me to be put on a stake and burned in the center of a large town center.

The point is, even if you did close it to make it more fun because of what is stated above, it will turn into an Ignore/Flame Feast no matter what happens, and because that person wants me dead i want to do all in my power to make sure he doesn't succeed.

NationStates has hosted several very large RPs - it can work - particularly with a bit of restraint on the part of the players.

The NWO doesn't admit new nations - so most are experienced RPers. So that's one challenge down. Besides, most inexperienced RPers won't want to get in the middle of a bunch of 3B + nations going at it full tilt.

The Principle players (ie Twist, and Guff) should also enforce strict "ooc threads" policy - and multiple fronts ic threads - with a common word in each title.

ie:

OOC - Battlefield Europe (Polish Front)
IC - Battlefield Europe (Polish Front)

Keeping the word "battlefield" (or whatever) in each thread title.

Well, put it this way he may want you dead but it will be an RP he may go on to try and kill you but I would make the point that AMF with your backing (if I remeber rightly) did much the same to several ex-RWCer's for standing up to him. Not thats good or bad or indifferent... I am making the point.

No, we don't want you dead (don't worry i'll talk to HP) and i'm sure we can arrange so that if it turns into something like that you won't be (do a Dumpsterdam for example). It's a question of how the RP goes.

NationStates has hosted several very large RPs - it can work - particularly with a bit of restraint on the part of the players.

The NWO doesn't admit new nations - so most are experienced RPers. So that's one challenge down. Besides, most inexperienced RPers won't want to get in the middle of a bunch of 3B + nations going at it full tilt.

The Principle players (ie Twist, and Guff) should also enforce strict "ooc threads" policy - and multiple fronts ic threads - with a common word in each title.

ie:

OOC - Battlefield Europe (Polish Front)
IC - Battlefield Europe (Polish Front)

Keeping the word "battlefield" (or whatever) in each thread title.

Well since we have two sets of experienced players this should work. But I think we must stress also that any related attacks on either alliances must be submitted in a general area for the creation of a new battlefield if you like.

But well done, you got the jist of what I was saying :D

Well since we have two sets of experienced players this should work. But I think we must stress also that any related attacks on either alliances must be submitted in a general area for the creation of a new battlefield if you like.

But well done, you got the jist of what I was saying :D

He Also pointed out the fact that Large World War sized RP's can work, they just need to be split up into Multiple threads.

There are a few large RP's of this size that have Worked, the Latest For example is AMF's Operation Brimestone, instead of making it one massive endless thread him and his allies had separate threads for different theaters of operation. As such the same thing can happen here, large RP's can work on a Open Scale, If planned Correctly.

Wolfish you got it! I say we do this in the NationStates forum. The things are a lot more serious there and are without the strange negative aura of II. Next thing I want this thread deleted. We should make an OOC thread for this.

I propose the same as wolfish, and specifying who's fighting who. And so on.

He Also pointed out the fact that Large World War sized RP's can work, they just need to be split up into Multiple threads.

There are a few large RP's of this size that have Worked, the Latest For example is AMF's Operation Brimestone, instead of making it one massive endless thread him and his allies had separate threads for different theaters of operation. As such the same thing can happen here, large RP's can work on a Open Scale, If planned Correctly.

*sighs*

How can you plan for open? Open means every Tom, Dick and Harry will get involved. The less you have the more RP managable. The only way to control this RP and to stop players from getting annoyed and ignoring is to close it.

AMF's attack didn't work very well because many of his allies overdid it, it is not an example I care to follow. But spliting up into different warzones is great, have an OOC thread for each to stop massive OOC flame fests. I am not here to discuss AMF's Brimstone Op. it wasn't very well executed in the event, but you can learn a few things from it.

A) Agree Tech levels and players using borderline tech must put it forward before using it.

B) Attacking a player 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 and saying you're going to be destroyed doesn't work.

HP even threw in a random idea of creating a small forum for the purpose so only those who we wanted could get involved but it would count towards NS. Saves on the trolls if you see what I mean and people can watch it with ease.