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Invent Military Inc. has come up with a new design for a C-130 gunship callled the AC-130D. It is a C-130 with advanced avionics, a wing span extension for better lift, Titanium alloy armour plating, and new GGE Gilabad General electric engines which are more efficient and powerful.

SPECS
Wingspan-155.5 feet
Weight (maximum at take off)-156,000 LBS
Range-2,370 miles (with max payload)
Max speed-435 mph
Armament
-1 120 m.m. howitzer
-5 7.62 m.m. miniguns
-4 30 m.m. vulcan cannons
-2 25 m.m. Gau cannons

Price 130 million$

I shall purchase 100,000 of the C-130 gunship for a total sum of $100,000,000,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks!

order confirmed!

We would wish to purchase 10 AC-130D Gunships. The total comes to 10 million USD.

OOC: Godmod. The price is way to low.

C-130 Gunship is called a Spectre Gunship.

The "spectre" gunship is only a variant of the c-130 gunship. And dont tell me the price is too low. I had someone say it's too high before.

order confirmed.

(OOC) The AC-130U goes for about 190 million in RL.

And a regular C-130 is at least $50 million :rolleyes:

Invent Military Inc. has come up with a new design for a C-130 gunship callled the AC-130D. It is a C-130 with advanced avionics, a wing span extension for better lift, Titanium alloy armour plating, and new GGE Gilabad General electric engines which are more efficient and powerful.

SPECS
Wingspan-155.5 feet
Weight (maximum at take off)-156,000 LBS
Range-2,370 miles (with max payload)
Max speed-435 mph
Armament
-1 120 m.m. howitzer
-5 7.62 m.m. miniguns
-4 30 m.m. vulcan cannons
-2 25 m.m. Gau cannons

Price 1 million$

$1 million is far too low try 80-100 as amore reasonable ball park figure.

Ditch the miniguns, they aren't that useful, you need to fly far too low for them to do much damage (ever wondered why the AC130 series doesn't use them anymore? it because in veitnam it turned out that when you are in range for the miniguns so are all the GPMGs the enemy might have).

4 GAU-8s is stretching things a bit esspecially in addition to all the other bits even with a patlaod increase, to be honest the howitzer and 2 GAU-8s would be more than enough.

I am still keeping the same stats on the aircraft however I will raise the price.

The miniguns are still effective because they're shooting down! There are only 2 Gaus. The whole point of having all this armament is to increase the effectiveness of the gunship. If you are here to buy something I'm happy to help you but if you are here to critique my product you might as well stay silent.

I never saw the point in modern AC-130's. It cant to area better than a bomber, or percision than a bomber or fighter.

Yeah, well, when you need pin-point,cheap and precise fire power, and missiles take too long, bombers can't make it there in time, and fighters can't loiter in the area long enough to provide sufficient support, well, then the AC-130 has found its nich.

The sound of an AC-130 nearby has been known to make enemies run, or cower in fear too, so heh, good intimidation anyway if all else fails. :p

Yeah, well, when you need pin-point,cheap and precise fire power, and missiles take too long, bombers can't make it there in time, and fighters can't loiter in the area long enough to provide sufficient support, well, then the AC-130 has found it's nich.

The sound of an AC-130 has been known to make enemies run, or cower in fear too, so heh, good intimidation anyway if all else fails.

The AC-130 is no more percise than artillery, and at any ranges artillery cant hit, its probably not a good idea to send AC-130's. A missile is faster than a C-130, so are Bombers usually. Fighters have a longer loiter time than C-130's too, afaik.

The sound of bombers, Strike aircraft, helicopters, and UAV's have as well.

Artillery can't always be counted on to be there, and I don't think that it is as accurate as the Spectre can be when over its target (I'm open to change my view on this point), and while missiles are faster, they are typically more costly to fire. (I'm thinking cruise missiles here, with millions of dollars every launch)

The point is, is that AC-130s have a purpose at some point, or else they wouldn't have gone through about three or so main upgrades was it? (Unsure) They would have been cut a long time ago.

Having such a specified aircraft is simply un-nessecary, however. An AC-130 cant get the kind of accuracy missiles can, nor the destruction a bomber can. Also, artillery is immobile, and with good sighting such as GPS or laser, they have excellent accuracy, while the AC-130 is constantly moving, and having to calculate its position, the target position, the speed, the distance, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you mean, but if such an instance pops up that only a Spectre can solve, but we don't have one, and lives are lost or something because of that, well...it's hypothetical anyway.

About the Spectre's accuracy though, I've seen videos of those things in action from inside the gunship (A camera recorded from where the guns was), and I can only really say that they're VERY accurate.

The AC-130 is no more percise than artillery, and at any ranges artillery cant hit, its probably not a good idea to send AC-130's. A missile is faster than a C-130, so are Bombers usually. Fighters have a longer loiter time than C-130's too, afaik.

The sound of bombers, Strike aircraft, helicopters, and UAV's have as well.
Having such a specified aircraft is simply un-nessecary, however. An AC-130 cant get the kind of accuracy missiles can, nor the destruction a bomber can. Also, artillery is immobile, and with good sighting such as GPS or laser, they have excellent accuracy, while the AC-130 is constantly moving, and having to calculate its position, the target position, the speed, the distance, etc.



Ya.... the AC-130 is not accurate at all[/sarcasam] :rolleyes:


movie (http://digitaldreamteam.com/images/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv)(5mb 7mins long turn up your volume :sniper:

The AC-130 is a superb weapons platform. If properly directed to its target, an AC-130 can be used and has been used within 100 ft of friendly troops. It is armed with a variety of high caliber machine guns and small artillery.

And if anybody, anywhere pays anything near $100 million for any kind of C-130, they have jjust been severely ripped off. I was a mechanic on the KC-130 (aerial refueler/cargo) in the US Marines and I can tell you that the total price of that plane with refueling gear was $27 million. So unless those guns are worth close to $80 million, that AC-130 is severely overpriced. I know that price because I was told it by my Maintenance Chief after being part of a group that damaged a $30,000 dollar part.

(OOC) Perhaps he was quoting the price of the aircraft at is time of purchase and not the price that includes several years of inflation if they had to buy it today?
C-130E Unit Cost: $11.9 (FY 1998 constant dollars in millions) (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=92)
C-130H Unit Cost: $30.1 (FY 1998 constant dollars in millions) (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=92)
C-130J Unit Cost: $48.5 (FY 1998 constant dollars in millions) (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=92)
KC-130 Hercules Unit Replacement Cost: $37,000,000 (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/0/0992276ba1b2f2b68525626e00494022?OpenDocument)
AC-130H $132.4 million (fiscal 2001 constant dollars) (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=71)
AC-130U $190 million (fiscal 2001 constant dollars) (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=71)

the avionics and electronics in the AC-130 are very expenisve which is part of the reason for the cost, as well as the strengthened airframe

Ya.... the AC-130 is not accurate at all[/sarcasam] :rolleyes:


movie (http://digitaldreamteam.com/images/AC130_GunshipMed.wmv)(5mb 7mins long turn up your volume :sniper:

I never said it wasnt accurate at all. However, that video shows they dont even have that great accuracy. They simply have very large explosives. For 180m dollars, you could have 12 Tiger's with rocket pods and MG's, 36 Gazelle's with rocket pods and MG's, A group of artillery and a UAV, 3 B-52's, or a number of A-10's, etc. It is a jack of all trades, but that usually means it does nothing that well.

Stop trying to compare it to a missile or a bomber, they're 2 different roles! A missile or a bomber are precise neutrulization. A Ac-130D is for GROUND SUPPORT! It is meant to support troops on the ground. I did meantion the titanium armour, so that should provide some protection. It would probably take 1 hit from a SAM but it would most likely be gone by that time.

The miniguns are still effective because they're shooting down! There are only 2 Gaus. The whole point of having all this armament is to increase the effectiveness of the gunship. If you are here to buy something I'm happy to help you but if you are here to critique my product you might as well stay silent.

Actually they aren't that effective, they are mildly useful for supressign infantry at clsoe rnage but try reading up on the experiences of vietnam AC119 and AC130 crews and the trouble they had with trucks that miraculously came back to life after taking serveal hundred 7.62mm rounds. The mini guns might be useful if they were your only weapon but with the prescence of bigger heavier weapons you gain the ability to sit back at a longer rnage where your mini guns are useless (again read about the AC119 when it got it's 20mm M61 Vulcans). with the ammount of other weaposn you have the mini guns are totally surpluss to requirements

Read what Strathdonia said: the GAU-8 is the 30mm Avenger gun of the A-10 and since you used the th term "vulcan" it would be assumed you ment soem kind of gatlign weapon. Currently there are very few gatling 30mm weapons in existance, the 30mm GAU-8 being the only western weapon. The 25mm weapons you are reffering to are GAU-12 Equalizers.

Both cannon systems are ncie guns but there is little point in having both types on board as they offer broadly similar perfromance, my suggestion would be to go with 2 of the 30mm GAU-8s as you really don't need any more firepower.


Chellis: the AC-130 does actually have a exceptionally long loiter time and if it is like other memebers of the C130 family then 12hr mission times wouldn't be unusual. The AC-130 doesn't fill the same role as strike fighters or bombers it's more of a larger cousin to the A-10 (or mroe accuractly the A-37 and A-4s of veitnam) and it exists mroe of less solely for the use of special forces who are foten not in a postion where artillery fire is an option. To be honest a smaller air frame would in my mind make a better choice but you work with what you have.

The PRWE wants to order 100 C-130 gunships worth 1.3 billion

This is why I don't post as much as I use to, all people do anymore is argue.

Fighting over the internet is like being in the Speical Olympics, even if you win your still retarded.

ill take 200 for a total cost of 2,600,000,000

money wired opon comfirmation

all orders confirmed!

The AC-130 gunships are very effective! That's why they use them for special operations in Iraq and everywhere else that we've been to since vietnam. They could have saved a lot more lives if they were there during the Mogadishu raid. They used them for ground support during Falujia! It is effective for neutrilizing multiple units quickly.

Specifications
AC-130H Spectre AC-130U Spooky
Primary Function: Close air support, air interdiction and armed reconnaissance
Contractor: Lockheed Aircraft Corp.
Power Plant: Four Allison turboprop engines T56-A-15
Thrust: Each engine 4,910 horsepower
Length: 97 feet, 9 inches (29.8 meters)
Height: 38 feet, 6 inches (11.7 meters)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 155,000 pounds (69,750 kilograms)
Wingspan: 132 feet, 7 inches (40.4 meters)
Range: 1,500 statute miles (1,300 nautical miles)
Unlimited with air refueling 2,200 nautical miles
Unlimited with air refueling
Ceiling: 25,000 feet (7,576 meters) 30,000 ft.
Speed: 300 mph (Mach 0.40) (at sea level)
Armament: two M61 20mm Vulcan cannons
with 3,000 rounds
one L60 40mm Bofors cannon
with 256 rounds
one M102 105mm howitzer
with 100 rounds One 25mm GAU-12 Gatling gun
(1,800 rounds per minute)
one L60 40mm Bofors cannon
(100 shots per minute)
one M102 105mm cannon
(6-10 rounds per minute)
# Countermeasures AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
# AN/AAR-44 infrared warning receiver
# AN/AAR-47 missile warning system
# AN/ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensing system
# AN/ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System
# AN/ALQ-196 Jammer
# AN/ALR-69 radar warning receiver
# AN/APR-46A panoramic RF receiver
# QRC-84-02 infrared countermeasures system
Crew: 14 -- five officers (pilot, co-pilot, navigator, fire control officer, electronic warfare officer); nine enlisted (flight engineer, loadmaster, low-light TV operator, infrared detection set operator, five aerial gunners) 13 total. Five officers (pilot, copilot, navigator, fire control officer, electronic warfare officer); 8 enlisted (flight engineer, All Light Level TV operator, infrared- detection set operator, four airborne gunners, loadmaster)
Unit Cost: $46.4 million (1992 dollars) $72 million
Date Deployed: 1972 1995
Inventory: Active force, 8;
Reserve, 0;
ANG, 0

Remeber the one I'm selling is a new version (AC-130D). And it has some improvements from the "specter" gunships.