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Do you pride yourself on your people's equality of rights?

Do you seek to further the cause of freedom the world over?

Do you believe that the state should support the working majority?

Are you willing to fight for the rights of the common man?


If you answered "yes" to any of these questions (or even better all of them), then The International wants to hear from you!

The International is a strong alliance of Centrist and Leftist nations, who are committed to:

*Fighting for the rights of the working class and the oppressed peoples of the world;

*Fighting the rise of Right-wing destruction and aggression;

*Working to improve the lot of the common man;

*Working to protect Left and Centre nations from Right-wing aggression.

The International accepts any nation that is willing to, with us, work for the betterment of mankind, the creation of a truly equal society, and the destruction of oppressive and exploitative regimes the world over.

You don't have to be aggressively Left-wing to be a member of The International!

We are not an alliance of aggressive Marxist terrorists. We have centrist and Leftist nations in our ranks, and have worked with capitalists on many occasions to reach mutual agreement.

We believe in achieving accommodation with and working with the moderate Right to achieve our goals.

We have in the past worked with capitalist nations in order to better the lives of the ordinary man, without the needless confronation of the past. It is time for us to forget the Cold War, and instead work together against the greater threats and problems of today and tomorrow.

We protect our members.

All members of the International can sign up for the Mutual Protection treaty. There is no longevity or rank requirement for this, and rest assured, if you're in need of defence, The International will come to your aid.

The International is a democratic organisation.

We are currently readying a system for the election of important posts within The International. Anyone can reach one of them; why not enter the running?

The International listens to YOU.

Unlike many alliances, we do not run our alliance dictatorially. The International does not take actions on the whim of the leadership. Nor do we ignore that which we find unfavourable. The International is committed to preserving and encouraging the rights of men to free speech, and we respect and abide by that right in our alliance.

The International is a great place to meet nations.

We have several experienced and powerful nations among our honoured members. The International is an excellent method of meeting nations, forging alliances, or just having a bit of fun on the Anarchy Board!

Finally, and most importantly: The International wants YOU to be a member!

If you're interested in joining up, post a message here. If you have to wait a bit, don't worry; we're only human! :)

Nations awaiting approval (with apologies for delay):

*Shanagolia
*Malkyer
*DemonLordEnigma
*Henrytopia
*Notquiteaplace
*Praetonia

Aye, I said yes to all of the above, I even have been Left-Winged quite often.

Do you pride yourself on your people's equality of rights?

Do you seek to further the cause of freedom the world over?

Do you believe that the state should support the working majority?

Are you willing to fight for the rights of the common man?






Hell no!


Bastard

Ha! You think that rights and civil liberties dictate the worth of a nation! It is their power and their rulers who determine the power that nations wield!

We say, no! We do not enjoy this Aliance!

"Upper Xen is a centrist nation, dedicated to defending the rights of sentient beings. This alliance is in line with our values and we therefore ask for membership."



Taira Yuna
Sec. of State
Gordon Lew
President
Republic of Upper Xen

Do you pride yourself on your people's equality of rights?

Do you seek to further the cause of freedom the world over?

Do you believe that the state should support the working majority?

Are you willing to fight for the rights of the common man?






Hell no!



Thanks for the invite though.
OOC: I say. Lol

Im tempted by the invite but will take it up when I finish my civial war. In a couple of days.

Upper Xen, I'll get onto prodding the alliance about membership right away. I apologise for the delay you're likely to experience (we're all over the world, so timezones are a problem) but in my capacity as Chief Prodder I shall do what I can. :)

NQAP, g'luck with the war, and don't forget us!

Do you pride yourself on your people's equality of rights?

Do you seek to further the cause of freedom the world over?

Do you believe that the state should support the working majority?

Are you willing to fight for the rights of the common man?

Yes

Ideally, yes, but in purely pragmatic terms, I don't have enough military power to back myself up when 'debating' 3 billion population right wing ubercapitalist nations, so I follow an isolationist foreign policy instead.

18% of the government budget goes to welfare spending--I think it's safe to say that Evil Woody Thoughts does support the working majority even though for the most part we are capitalist.

Depends on what I'm up against. If 30,000 n00ks are staring me in the face, I'll probably remain neutral.

Haha! Well I shall poke him in the other direction! You have no idea what you have gotten yourself into!

OOC: lol

Of course, of course. We are all bound by the realities of military might, are we not? But here at The International, we are committed to assisting our comrades should they be attacks, and in most cases should they be attacking too. When some 3bn capitalist goes for one of us, that one of us can soon find himself with a lot of big guns behind him.

Anyway, do consider. I'm happy to answer any queries regarding mechanisms and whatnot for the alliance.

Alexias, if you have something useful to add, add it. If not, depart and cease filling the thread with spam, please.

Well, Upper Xen is one of those superpowers-though a minor one. We have at least 1.8 billion people, 20,000,000+ soldiers in the Army alone.....this is conservatively calculated using 4% of my population.

We also have a high-tech army, plenty of SSBN's, the Headcrab Bomb, and we have command of Mexico, where we have bases which the alliance can use.

We are not very weak. If anything, we are in a position to contribute greatly to this force.

This is realised. I assure you, I meant no disparagement of your capabilities. *Continues prodding*

It is quite alright, I was declaring that this alliance has a heavy player, that's all.

Anyway....I am committed.

Ooc: WTF?

I am a centrist force.....and I certainly don't need pokage. I get enough of that.

Isn't this alliance the same one which was once led by Communist Louisiana? Or have I got you mixed up with the wrong "International"?



Oh... I suppose I can't help but comment but 4% of your population in the military and high tech (probably all trained to American standard plus I would imagine)? Even with a frightening economy most nations would have trouble with that. *shrugs*

OOC: Well, we pour a lot funds into the military......USD$11 billion+ to be exact.

So I feel somewhat justified in doing that.

Isn't this alliance the same one which was once led by Communist Louisiana? Or have I got you mixed up with the wrong "International"?



Oh... I suppose I can't help but comment but 4% of your population in the military and high tech (probably all trained to American standard plus I would imagine)? Even with a frightening economy most nations would have trouble with that. *shrugs*

It is that self-same Internationa. Might I ask, have you had a previous altercation with us, before my time?

Of course, of course. We are all bound by the realities of military might, are we not? But here at The International, we are committed to assisting our comrades should they be attacks, and in most cases should they be attacking too. When some 3bn capitalist goes for one of us, that one of us can soon find himself with a lot of big guns behind him.

Anyway, do consider. I'm happy to answer any queries regarding mechanisms and whatnot for the alliance.

Alexias, if you have something useful to add, add it. If not, depart and cease filling the thread with spam, please.

Is there a formal treaty proposal somewhere to codify this alliance? Joining an international alliance requires the approval of Parliament (any vote is expected to be very close, as Evil Woody Thoughts has been relatively isolationist for a very long time). The Parliament would need a treaty document to ratify.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is also concerned about the effect that aggressive members would have upon the rest of the alliance, and expresses grave concern that a single warmongeror within the International could incite a war and use the alliance to drag everyone else into it. The Ministry recommends that a mechanism be implemented whereby individual members could use their own judgement in determining whether to help another alliance member who incited an offensive war. However, there is far less political opposition within Evil Woody Thoughts to a defensive alliance.

We look forward to hearing back from you.

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

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OOC: My participation in the alliance would be limited at best for the first few weeks, as there will be periods over Christmas break where I will not have internet access.

What about combating aggressive Left wing-ism? Why just the right, hmmm?

The republic of Schoenburg would like to join your Alliance. We are strongly commited to placing the people first. Our former country "The republic of Irish-Germanic states" once had a population of 2.85 billion people. It was destroyed however by the corperate greed and ensuing civil war. Our people are, as you can imagine highly for a left wing agenda. While not a powerful nation, one day will rise up, and our people are wiley fighters. We pledge our support to you, and hope to expand the ideals of the common man!
[people first]
The visionary 9

Is there a formal treaty proposal somewher to codify this alliance? Joining an international alliance requires the approval of Parliament (any vote is expected to be very close, as Evil Woody Thoughts has been relatively isolationist for a very long time). The Parliament would need a treaty document to ratify.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is also concerned about the effect that aggressive members would have upon the rest of the alliance, and expresses grave concern that a single warmongeror within the International could incite a war and use the alliance to drag everyone else into it. The Ministry recommends that a mechanism be implemented whereby individual members could use their own judgement in determining whether to help another alliance member who incited an offensive war. However, there is far less political opposition within Evil Woody Thoughts to a defensive alliance.

We look forward to hearing back from you.

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

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OOC: My participation in the alliance would be limited at best for the first few weeks, as there will be periods over Christmas break where I will not have internet access.

I regret to say that, at present, we do not to my knowledge has a strict, codeified constitution. We instead operate along an alomst ad hoc constitutional basis, with precedents being used to determine legality of actions. Though it sounds chaotic, it seems to work; it worked for Britain for a long time, after all.

To your concerns over military drag, so to speak, I have good news. Members are obliged to defend other members only, and then only with what they find themselves able to give. Should a member take an offensive against their foe, although they can appeal to the alliance (both as a group and as members) they cannot legally oblige the members to aid them.

The republic of Schoenburg would like to join your Alliance. We are strongly commited to placing the people first. Our former country "The republic of Irish-Germanic states" once had a population of 2.85 billion people. It was destroyed however by the corperate greed and ensuing civil war. Our people are, as you can imagine highly for a left wing agenda. While not a powerful nation, one day will rise up, and our people are wiley fighters. We pledge our support to you, and hope to expand the ideals of the common man!
[people first]
The visionary 9

"Schoenberg, huh? We would like to establish relations with your nation, if possible, and provide military aid."

Gordon Lew
President
Rep. of Upper Xen

What about combating aggressive Left wing-ism? Why just the right, hmmm?

How many Leftist nations have you seen:

*Committing mass genocides
*Attacking Right nations because they don't like them being Right Wing?

Interesting to note that you're a member of an alliance targeting no less than four of our members, too. We'll be looking forward to hearing from the WACL.

The republic of Schoenburg would like to join your Alliance. We are strongly commited to placing the people first. Our former country "The republic of Irish-Germanic states" once had a population of 2.85 billion people. It was destroyed however by the corperate greed and ensuing civil war. Our people are, as you can imagine highly for a left wing agenda. While not a powerful nation, one day will rise up, and our people are wiley fighters. We pledge our support to you, and hope to expand the ideals of the common man!
[people first]
The visionary 9

I shall add you forthwith to the list of members awaiting approval. Bear with me, please. :)

This sounds cool and I'm intrested but I don't understand some of it. :confused: But, yeah. I'd like to.

"Schoenberg, huh? We would like to establish relations with your nation, if possible, and provide military aid."

Gordon Lew
President
Rep. of Upper Xen

You are welcome to establish military aid to our nation. Currently Edolia is helping us rebuild our shattered infastructure. Your aid would be much appreciated. What are you able to provide us with in terms of aid, equipment, or treaties? Also will these commitments be within the sphere of the "international" orginization set up within this thread.

OOC: how I long for the old days it was so easy to make a difference with a massive nation of some 2 billion people.
:(

Bearing with as we speak.

I'm hungry.

I'm gonna go get a burrito.

See you guys.

I referred to Schoenburg.

This sounds cool and I'm intrested but I don't understand some of it. :confused: But, yeah. I'd like to.

What don't you understand? Remember, I'm here to answer questions (for another few minutes anyway, then I must go to bed). Post what's causing difficulty and I'll do what I can to help. :)

I regret to say that, at present, we do not to my knowledge has a strict, codeified constitution. We instead operate along an alomst ad hoc constitutional basis, with precedents being used to determine legality of actions. Though it sounds chaotic, it seems to work; it worked for Britain for a long time, after all.

To your concerns over military drag, so to speak, I have good news. Members are obliged to defend other members only, and then only with what they find themselves able to give. Should a member take an offensive against their foe, although they can appeal to the alliance (both as a group and as members) they cannot legally oblige the members to aid them.

I suppose I could ask the Parliament to ratify the precedents one by one, though that would be a lengthy process and entail some interesting debates.

Is this a newly forming alliance, or are these precedents recorded somewhere?

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

Iuthia just really doesn't agree with Communist Louisiana's methods or even just the nation in general. It's proven time and time again to be rather crappy when it comes to diplomacy and to have completely the wrong drives for a nation which is supposed to be about the people.

So generally we find ourselve not against the International, just not particularly warm to it because of it's associations.


OOC: Well, when you say "20 Million man army" I'm assuming you are talking about that being the number of fighting men you have. Now given the average cost of an American soldier per year, at a rough estimate being $200'000 each for equipment, supplies, training and pay, we are looking at around four trillion dollars being needed... also you have the problem of supplying them which would probably need at least another 20 million men, and thats being kind. Eitherway, eleven billion won't cut it for something that large.

Of course, these are very rough estimates based on figures I've been given from people with a reasonable amount of knowledge in these things... most reasonable nations concider 1% of your population being in the military (including support/admin personnel) being a large percentage. America is currently barely at 0.5% of it's military being in the army with other modern nations being either a little more (still below 1%) or less. Nations like North Korea have large percentages because it's next to China and has to defend itself, however it's soldiers are relatively poorly trained, ill equipped and they can only defend their borders as they have no force projection capabilities... meanwhile their people are starving occasionally in order to feed this army as it drains all the important reasources which would otherwise be put into education and other uses. It also limits how many people can be working a wage and paying taxes to the government (which in turn supplies the government with more income).

Basically, higher percentage militaries are often ill equipped, poorly trained cannonfodder... they win by having alot of cannonfodder and can't really project it's forces anywhere outside it's nation. People usually have smaller percentages and instead have well trained soldiers with good equipment which can be placed where they are needed anywhere in the world. Thats all I'll say on it. It's alot because I want to get it in one and give it a rest.

You are welcome to establish military aid to our nation. Currently Edolia is helping us rebuild our shattered infastructure. Your aid would be much appreciated. What are you able to provide us with in terms of aid, equipment, or treaties? Also will these commitments be within the sphere of the "international" orginization set up within this thread.

OOC: how I long for the old days it was so easy to make a difference with a massive nation of some 2 billion people.
:(

We can ship you OICW rifles, Casspir NGUX APC's, Crotale NG SAM missiles and advanced F-16UXmk1 jet fighters upgraded with Block-60 electronics and halfnium aircraft engines.

Just specify the amount you need, and we will ship it. We can help you set up armories in your land and give production rights, if you wish.

I suppose I could ask the Parliament to ratify the precedents one by one, though that would be a lengthy process and entail some interesting debates.

Is this a newly forming alliance, or are these precedents recorded somewhere?

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

Though the Alliance is itself fairly mature, many of the precendents are more recorded in people's minds than anywhere else. We're unfortunately rather in the midst of re-organising ourselves. We do hope, however, to have a written constitution available soon.

Iuthia, I recognise your concerns. CL's leadership style is not to everyone's taste; that said, I am confident that the International is rather less dictatorial than it once was.

Iuthia just really doesn't agree with Communist Louisiana's methods or even just the nation in general. It's proven time and time again to be rather crappy when it comes to diplomacy and to have completely the wrong drives for a nation which is supposed to be about the people.

So generally we find ourselve not against the International, just not particularly warm to it because of it's associations.


OOC: Well, when you say "20 Million man army" I'm assuming you are talking about that being the number of fighting men you have. Now given the average cost of an American soldier per year, at a rough estimate being $200'000 each for equipment, supplies, training and pay, we are looking at around four trillion dollars being needed... also you have the problem of supplying them which would probably need at least another 20 million men, and thats being kind. Eitherway, eleven billion won't cut it for something that large.

Of course, these are very rough estimates based on figures I've been given from people with a reasonable amount of knowledge in these things... most reasonable nations concider 1% of your population being in the military (including support/admin personnel) being a large percentage. America is currently barely at 0.5% of it's military being in the army with other modern nations being either a little more (still below 1%) or less. Nations like North Korea have large percentages because it's next to China and has to defend itself, however it's soldiers are relatively poorly trained, ill equipped and they can only defend their borders as they have no force projection capabilities... meanwhile their people are starving occasionally in order to feed this army as it drains all the important reasources which would otherwise be put into education and other uses. It also limits how many people can be working a wage and paying taxes to the government (which in turn supplies the government with more income).

Basically, higher percentage militaries are often ill equipped, poorly trained cannonfodder... they win by having alot of cannonfodder and can't really project it's forces anywhere outside it's nation. People usually have smaller percentages and instead have well trained soldiers with good equipment which can be placed where they are needed anywhere in the world. Thats all I'll say on it. It's alot because I want to get it in one and give it a rest.

Well, the number was for the Ground Forces alone, and it does count support personnel.

Still, you do have a point.....

Though the Alliance is itself fairly mature, many of the precendents are more recorded in people's minds than anywhere else. We're unfortunately rather in the midst of re-organising ourselves. We do hope, however, to have a written constitution available soon.

Iuthia, I recognise your concerns. CL's leadership style is not to everyone's taste; that said, I am confident that the International is rather less dictatorial than it once was.

In that case, I will wait for the reorganization to be complete before recommending a course of action to Parliament.

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

How many Leftist nations have you seen:

*Committing mass genocides
*Attacking Right nations because they don't like them being Right Wing?

Interesting to note that you're a member of an alliance targeting no less than four of our members, too. We'll be looking forward to hearing from the WACL.
Quite many, actually. Communist countries constantly oppress innocents, and Communism itself calls for "aggressive spread of Communism."

I respect entirely your reasoning; it's not a particularly easy thing to persuade a parliament to accept an idea like this when there's little evidence to persuade with! Would you like me to inform you when we have a Constitution completed?

Bump for more potential members

I respect entirely your reasoning; it's not a particularly easy thing to persuade a parliament to accept an idea like this when there's little evidence to persuade with! Would you like me to inform you when we have a Constitution completed?

Yes. Please send me the required information in a telegram. Hopefully it won't be displaced by UN spam telegrams asking me to approve assinine proposals, but that's the risk of being a UN delegate. Hopefully, our new national slogan will have a curtailing effect on such problems.

Prime Minister Woody II

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

My nation, though relatively weak in military, economic, and political matters, would like to join this alliance. Though I am a little cautious about war since my nation has such a pathetic military, I still want to join.

Chellis should hope it not have to enact the horatio doctrine in future dealings with this alliance, if it intends to violate nations sovereignty in order to free 'oppresed peoples'.

Chellis should hope it not have to enact the horatio doctrine in future dealings with this alliance, if it intends to violate nations sovereignty in order to free 'oppresed peoples'.

OOC: Please clarify the Horatio Doctrine for us newbies...

Oh come on now, that's just not true!

OOC: Please clarify the Horatio Doctrine for us newbies...

Allows Chellis to intervene on the behalf of nations if their sovereignty is compromised. Usually militairaly.

How many Leftist nations have you seen:

*Committing mass genocides
Answer:
Democratic Republic of Congo (1975-2002)
Rwandese Republic (1959-1994)
Republic of Sierra Leone (1991-2002)
Republic of Burundi (1994-2002)
The former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 1990-1999
The former Soviet Union (1923-1926)

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

*Attacking Right nations because they don't like them being Right Wing?
Answer:
North Korea vs. South Korea
North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam
South Yemen vs. North Yemen

Again, I could go on, but...

bumped for new potential members, again.....

Tag for potential membership

Answer:
Democratic Republic of Congo (1975-2002)
Rwandese Republic (1959-1994)
Republic of Sierra Leone (1991-2002)
Republic of Burundi (1994-2002)
The former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 1990-1999
The former Soviet Union (1923-1926)

I could go on, but I think you get the idea.


Answer:
North Korea vs. South Korea
North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam
South Yemen vs. North Yemen

Again, I could go on, but...

If only any of those nations were Communist and existed in NS...

OOC:
Apparently the International has existed for quite some time, hasn't it? But hasn't been formalized with a treaty or charter? Maybe it's time for that, if so, I would be very interested.

Hey Hallad! How long have you been a part of this?

Hallads been in from the start, I believe. I've been in since after the start... since i'm older than CL and CR ( i think i'm bigger than CR).

VIVE LE INTERNATIONALE! VIVE LE REVOLUTIONE!

Roach-Busters would like to sign a non-aggression pact with this alliance.

OOC:
Apparently the International has existed for quite some time, hasn't it? But hasn't been formalized with a treaty or charter? Maybe it's time for that, if so, I would be very interested.

Hey Hallad! How long have you been a part of this?

I was one of the origonal 20. :)

OOC: Do you think any more of the originals will stay on?

I'm still here, and I don't have any plans to leave, so...

I was the 30th i think....

Bump

To Kanhite:

Listen, mate: not ONE of those countries can be described as actually Communist (despite the fact they misapprpriated the name and may share some of the ideals; would you describe Nazi germany as Communistic?)

OOC:
Apparently the International has existed for quite some time, hasn't it? But hasn't been formalized with a treaty or charter? Maybe it's time for that, if so, I would be very interested.

Hey Hallad! How long have you been a part of this?

We've been around for some time, yes. Currently we're working on a charter, so bear with us.

OOC: I assume the list of applicants will be updated when the charter gets released right? Or will this happen sooner?

Anyway.....BUMP for any interested peoples.....

I'll add to the list of waiting people if they confirm they're interested; at the mo, a lot of people say "maybe" but don't say, "yeah, I'm in."

The Grand Duchy of Yafor, led by a duke who is elected, is very interested in joining. We offer a strong business environment, a stable economy, and a new nation for you to enter in...(this isn't a formal RP, just a fact thing). I know my nation is new, but my old nation's e-mail address didn't work, so I had to change. May I join?

If you're geniunely interested, why not? I'll add you to the list also.

Bump

OOC: I was thinking....just an idea, perhaps the International could have some kind of "Radio Free Europe" style shortwave station, that could broadcast to all kinds of nations.

Excellent idea! I just hope some of them will actually get on...damned time-zones! :(

Why would I not be interested?

Hey, just makin' sure :)

C'mon people! The International is for everyone who loves liberty, not just Communists.

OOC: Bump

Actually that is not true, non-communist nations cannot be considered for membership in The International, that would contradict the foundation the Alliance was built on. Though still i would encourage moderate nations to ally themselves with our Alliance, non-communist/socialist/marxist nations are not eligible for membership.

The Protectorate of Angelico hereby humbly petitions the alliance known as The International for immediate membership.

The Protectorate of Angelico submits the following as evidence of its suitability for membership:

The Protectorate of Angelico has recently passed legislation guaranteeing all persons within its borders the right to work at a livable wage in safe and fair working conditions without consideration of that person’s sex, age, ethnicity, veteran status, sexual orientation, or non-job-related disability.

The Protectorate of Angelico has recently abolished the abusive and corrupt Angelican Secret Police, a holdover agency from the Soviet era responsible for the deaths of hundreds and the disappearance of thousands.

The Protectorate of Angelico has abolished conscription as a means of recruitment for national service.

The Protectorate of Angelico has abolished the death penalty in all cases except treason and terrorism.

The Protectorate of Angelico is in the process of reforming its Army, Navy, and Air Force in order to allow for significant military capabilities on a regional and global scale.

The Protectorate of Angelico considers the sovereignty of the individual soul to be of greater significance than any state’s sovereignty.

Should the Protectorate of Angelico be accepted for membership, the Protectorate will immediately train, equip, and activate an entire Army Corps for fast deployment expeditionary warfare.

Should the Protectorate of Angelico be accepted for membership, the Protectorate will make available embassy and consular facilities in capital of Sofia and port city of Varna, respectively, for all members of The International.

Should the Protectorate of Angelico be accepted for membership, the Protectorate will allow all member nations limited access to the Angelican Multi-Agency Intelligence Analysis Center, the state of the art intelligence collection, analysis, and dissemination facility.

We, the assembled Congress of the Protectorate of Angelico, do endorse this document.


I, the President of the Protectorate of Angelico, do ratify this document.


Alexi Tatyanov

Having perused your supplied document, I am of the opinion that you are, in company with those listed in the "awaiting" list, exactly what we seek for our alliance. Your recognition of the sanctity of (most) human life is particularly telling. Your offer of a dedicated military force is a measure which all members would do well to adopt, as well.

I am fully behind your application, and will do all possible to encourage The International to accept you and those who have applied also.

I apologise further for the delay being suffered by you and the other applicants.

Bump

*Bumps*

bump

OOC: Am I going be considered? I am a communist nation and would like to join some fellow comrades, but no one has replied to my original request. I'm just wondering. I can wait; I'm used to waiting for the Revolution... :)

Iuthia just really doesn't agree with Communist Louisiana's methods or even just the nation in general. It's proven time and time again to be rather crappy when it comes to diplomacy and to have completely the wrong drives for a nation which is supposed to be about the people.


We're a democratic organisation. Not everyone agrees with CL and alternate opinions and suggestions are welcomed.

Shanagolia, i've added you to the list.

Actually that is not true, non-communist nations cannot be considered for membership in The International, that would contradict the foundation the Alliance was built on. Though still i would encourage moderate nations to ally themselves with our Alliance, non-communist/socialist/marxist nations are not eligible for membership.

Not really. Many of our nations have drifted to the center since it's founding. It is natural that we should seek members with different ideals but committed to fighting the far-right. Thus, I believe membership should be open to consideration for all that wish it regardless of how their economy is run.

Agreed. I'm a Centre nation, Kanabia's a Centre nation; Hallad's a Centrist one too, as I recall. We welcome all who are moderate and willing to work with us to defeat the Far Right and improve their people's lot.

Kanabia's a Centre nation

Haha, I wouldn't go that far :D

Can I have the forum link please?

Can I have the forum link please?

Check TG's.

Thanks, Kanabia. Now if only the Revolution would come. :D

Agreed. I'm a Centre nation, Kanabia's a Centre nation; Hallad's a Centrist one too, as I recall. We welcome all who are moderate and willing to work with us to defeat the Far Right and improve their people's lot.

True, but It's rather varied since I am a far left.

its nice to see the recruitment thread finally after all the time waiting and argueing

bump

Bump

As a left leaning nation, Jangia would be proud to be a member of this distinguished body of nations. At the moment, our military is still being set up, but we hope to have our capabilities nailed down soon. Once we do, it would be a pleasure to support this alliance.

The International welcomes your application! I will add you immediately to The List (TM).

Agreed. I'm a Centre nation, Kanabia's a Centre nation; Hallad's a Centrist one too, as I recall. We welcome all who are moderate and willing to work with us to defeat the Far Right and improve their people's lot.

Sure, on a scale of only Socialism Hallad is centre.

The Socialist Federation of Keslovakia would be glad to join such an alliance that fights for the rights of all the people. After all it 'tis the working people that make a nation! We wish to join the International. If you would like more details please Telegram me!

Socialist Federation? *slaps Keslovakia*

Hands off! That's my title, bitch! :D

Added. I apologise again for the time elapsing between application and admission, since I'm just seeking to check up on final admission procedures. :)

Added. I apologise again for the time elapsing between application and admission, since I'm just seeking to check up on final admission procedures. :)

Are you supreme head of the International now?

He's the Magistraite of Recruiting...

ah right .:)

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OOC: Will there be the use of standardized weapons in this alliance?

I have a tank design in mind....

OOC: get on that scene like a God machine! bump for a response

Not sure. It seems like a good idea, actually, but I'll have to wait to co-ordinate things or whatever. BTW, all nations on The List please check TGs within the next 5 minutes.

DPUO, check TG's

Done. Bit of a bugger, this.

I might need help redesigning a tank...I'm at a New Coke level of embarassment.

I'll do what I can. Is it the T-4?

Yes.......*fake Strongbad voice* very yes!

I'm not the list. If its because I may have a weak military, I am working on improving it. Otherwise, I understand if you guys are busy but why are people who applied after me already on it? :(

Nah, I just plain forgot. :) Memory like a sieve, me...oh and UX, I posted on El Tank.

I think my nation fits the description "moderate right," though recently I've taken more humanitarian stands internationally. I wish to join this alliance, but it's only fair to inform everyone that I don't like Communists. This is of course not saying that I will not help a communist nation that I am allied with, but I may be less than genial to communist representatives. As for my military and economic strength, my military is not best, though it's good, and my economy is strong, though not as strong as I'd like it to be.

Well, let's see how it goes, eh? Hey, you might hate us all, but there's only one way to find out. :)

Alright, I'll try to be nice :p

That's okay, I understand. My brain is fried right now, so I can't remember anything I did today.

OOC: The T-4 no longer is that terrifyingly sucky...check it out.

Half off for International members.

Socialist Federation? *slaps Keslovakia*

Hands off! That's my title, bitch! :D


Two Tears ago I had a large nation (over 3 Billion people, it ceased to exist a year ago) I had the custom title of Socialist Federation then. :rolleyes:

For more info, find my history, posted around here somewhere..and read it.

So no, you stole my title, bitch! :p

No. It was yours a year ago.

DPUO, do you accept my offer?

Ug? Offer?

Ug? Offer?

To sign a non-aggression pact with this alliance.

bump for any new people and to get the flow going....

I can't speak on behalf of us all. I'd be cautious about it, frankly. You seem to swing from being moderate to extreme at a moment's notice.

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Aaaw, and I want the International!:p

Seriously, this sounds like a good alliance. I'm centre-left I guess, with 21% of my budget going to Social Equality.

Notquiteaplace varies but at welfare present it is 13% while social equality is 1%. This isnt a large amount in itself but we provide many things at low prices or for free, such as low cost housing and food.

However we have a unique tax and distribution system, which ensures everyone has the money to live well if they have a job and can still afford to live without one. We are a rich country and the rich are still rich, but we value everyone equally and are definately not a right leaning state.

We have restored order and are rebuilding well. We wish to join, and will lend military might that exceeds what you would expect for our size to it (we have a strong navy and airforce and an unusual army).

Adding you both. Unusual eh? Well, I am interested. :)

Two Tears ago I had a large nation (over 3 Billion people, it ceased to exist a year ago) I had the custom title of Socialist Federation then. :rolleyes:

For more info, find my history, posted around here somewhere..and read it.

So no, you stole my title, bitch! :p

interesting how you lie, since it's impossible to have a 3 billion strong nation 2 years ago, even with the pop bug.

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Bumpskiy

So.....when does voting end?

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My question.....

Voting on what? Sorry, I'm getting a tad frazzled, what with all this and ship designing and things.

Membership, for us and the potential members

As far as I know, you've all been approved, hence your being cleared from the List (TM)

bumpski

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OOC: Unusual in the sense that it is post modern, but still in this quarter of the century (if a real nation existed with the size and money of mine, perhaps it would be possible). But basically my mechanised infantry have crude powered armour, which protects them from most small arm shots (there are wekaer spots on the armour though) and some units have heavier armour and weapons than that. But in numbers my army is less than one million, probably even with all the spec ops units like engineers, paratroops and amphibious assault.

But it wouldnt require new technology to do, just practice a lot of research with existing tech. For instance software that reads the wearer's motions and moves the armour with them, would be do able, but would take a good amount of research to make viable. Which is what we did. All units still carry modern weapons or modern tech level ones.

Anyway, the rest of my forces are still pretty much cutting edge as opposed to post modern.

Sounds...interesting. :P

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Should I post the radio station concept here or on the International forums?

Hmm. I'd put it on the forums, for now.

OOC: How do you feel about a dictatorship being involved? Mine is not exactly the most usual dictatorship you'll meet.

Meh, give us a quick run-down while I put you on the applicants' list. I can't predict the reactions of the International, but I don't think we have anything against dictatorships as a whole.

OOC: To get an idea, imagine a nation where the leader is an android built by an empire long dead, advanced AIs and people interact on a daily basis, dragons and ships advanced enough to travel thousands of lightyears in less than a month tangle in the occasional battle, and the people are a combination of not wanting organization while continuously putting all power in the hands of one person. Business and the military compete with each other for employees while at the same time science runs rampant. Religion is not popular but at the same time is not hindered. It is basically a nation built from the ground up by the people of it and shows all of the eccentricies of them.

Another fun example: The military is organized in small numbers, attempts at any form of an education system beyond homeschool and apprenticeships failed, and while the people are constantly striving forward and making up their own rules as they go along they are still yearning for the past and what they so completely lost (part of why Enigma stays in power is he is a link to that past). It's basically what you would get if people had to rebuild civilization and had no memory or data of what it is like.

Sounds very interesting indeed...

You just have to be careful of the xenophobia. They look down on humans as being inferior (sadly, they have genetic evidence to back this view, so it's not going away) and most other races have to fight to make a niche in the society. Part of why defenses are so strong. But, the society as a whole functions.

The Protectorate of Henrytopia would like to formally apply for acceptance into The International. Although we are a small and fairly new nation, our views are similar. We wish to ally ourselves with like nations in an effort to spread our message throughout the world. The rights of the people should be protected, they are the reason we serve. We do not have a large military force, although we have a well trained commando force which recently liberated a blue ipod and a half eaten bag of Twizzlers during the recent implosion of The Dominion of Incantare Beliarh (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382339&page=5&pp=15). Said ipod has been given to the people and is proudly displayed in the National Museum for all to view and learn of the unfortunate events that occurred at Beliarh, probably due to their practices of allowing large corporations to be above the law.

Henry Brash VIII,
The Protectorate
The Protectorate of Henrytopia

Added. :) Sounds very interesting. I just regret not getting in on that ssoner, really. We could use some nicer chairs for the office...

We are preparing to send another crack unit of commandos to assist the Slaytaniccans in their effort, we have asked for rights to claim any high back leather office chairs after the action. We would be willing to offer these as a good will gesture to the cause.

Why thankyou!

It seems like the action at Incantare Beliarh is coming to a close and our support for the action will yield us with the office chairs. We will have an envoy deliver them to you once we have them in our possession.

DPUO, may I join this little alliance fo yours?

Hell, yes! *Adds you to list* I shall have to go prod people now :)

We will be receiving further instructions in the near future I take it?

Yep, just as soon as I'm done prodding and checking with people and things. Thanks for being patient. :)

Absoultely no problem at all. Just send me a notice so I can make an official notice with my news services etc.

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The Ambassador from The Protectorate of Henrytopia brings greetings from The Protectorate Henry Brash VIII and good news from the war ravaged front of Incantare Beliarh (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7752631#post7752631).. with the help of the Slaytaniccan forces, we have in our possession a great number of high back leather office chairs that we would like to send as a gift. Per our recent communique, there was mention of a need for some comfortable office chairs. Please advise where and when you would like to take delivery so we can formalize the exchange and possibly send out a dispatch to the media?

Regards,
Ambassador Altus Valure
The Protectorate of Henrytopia

Our humblest thanks to you! Y'know, as we recline here in this frankly ridiculously big chairs, we're thinking hard on your applicationa... ;)

OOC: Just one thing: Should I wait until I get more programming, or start up the station now?

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Anybody else willing to defend liberty? Join us now!

OOC: bump

What would be our purpose for joining this alliance of yours?

The love of the freedoms that most men take for granted: freedom of speech, of meeting, of assosctiation. Freedom to think for yourself, make your own decision and choose your own path. Freedom to speak against the government. Freedom to stand proudly, regardless of race, creed, politics or culture, and not fear for your life. That kind of thing.

Would oppressing whites for a short period of time be a minus?

Well yes, but then again, I think there are extenuating circumstances. I'd have to put it before the Alliance and see what the general consensus is. Personally, I couldn't give a shit if you shot every last white in TBD - except the ones who spoke with a southern drawl, who you should hang. But there you go, that's me.

So long as the people are happy and your approval rating is sky high, damn the torpedoes I say.

-The Protectorate, Henry Brash VIII..

OOC:

This would be a double-edged sword.....on one hand, you might end up with a fiasco that will haunt you like the Japanese-Americans in WWII (restricting hundreds of thousands of people just because they are a certain race, with no proof), on the other hand, if the White Burnsians are genuinely supportive of the Fabus monarchy and are very, genuinely likely to become a Fifth Column, then by all means, restrict them.

IC: We will welcome the Burnsians. We also extend any possible aid that they will need.

OOC: So that means I get a ticket in?

IC:

Consider us applied.

OOC: So that means I get a ticket in?

IC:

Consider us applied.

We, grudgingly, also vote the Burnsian's in.

OOC: Grudgingly? Sigh. Are there forums or something or am I just 'in'?

There be fora. You're being processed.

OOC: Im ready to join. Have I been processed?

IC: Notquiteaplace would like to re present it's request to join.

It would be hard to classify us as left or right wing on various things as our exact political inclinations vary greatly, but overall we find ourselves in agreement with moderately left wing nations. We can lend a compact but potent military where needed and a sophisticated navy. We are a stable state normally and have yet to provoke a war but have been able to support allies on one or two occasions.

You're piqueing my interest. A small but professional armed force is ofetn far more effective than a large and "professional" one.

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Im a 1.3 billion nation and my armed force numbers around 2.5 million for all forces, as well as about a million logistics, support and other. There is a militia of about 2 million for defense purposes only.

We have about 500,000 mechanised armoured infantry
about 240,000 proper battlesuits of various weight classes
about 125,000 armoured vehicles of all sorts (artillery, tanks and flak, and anti personnel tanks)
about 100,000 non armoured spec ops troops
about 10,000 aircraft of which about 2400 are ready at minimum notice for defence at home, with a few being pulled off abroad being little problem
Various fleets, of ships, each fleet including a handful of carriers, ranging from small ones that carry 40 aircraft, to super carriers with 120 capacity.

Our defense spending is 8% of our GDP which works out at ($40000 * 0.08 * 1300) $4160bn in USD of which $3600bn is allocated to actual forces , our armed forces are valued at four times this, but we only have a very small sum of money allocated for new purchases, most goes into maintaining and replacing exisiting equipment as it ages.

(if you want a comparison, the US has approx 9.75% of my military budget to spend and considering I have about ten times the armed forces in terms of manpower as far as airforce and navy go, I think it's actually a fairly realistic comparison) (or maybe I will spend more on my infantry training if that's the case)

It's hardly a tiny armed force, but it's fairly elite/professional and employs 0.3% of our population, excluding the militia.

OOC: Im not sure if I'd be accepted... my nation is capitalist, but then we do spend a lot of money on state health, education and welfare (check out thirdgeek) and we're listed as a Left-Wing College State.

As we now accept Centrist nations, I vote "Da" on Praetonia's Entry, if he chooses to try to get in.


NotQuiteAPlace: i'm twice your size and your army is bigger than mine. Meh. But your definetly not godmodding.

OOC: Yeah I saw that thread, I was going to compliment you on your sportsmanship actually.

Yeah my army is a slightly extreme but very plausible army, which is why it's fun to play, it could happen, but hasnt on Earth.

As we now accept Centrist nations, I vote "Da" on Praetonia's Entry, if he chooses to try to get in.
Im not that centrist... if anything Im a Socialist Democracy: http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com?nation=praetonia 59% of my budget goes to state services.

We would like to join we're leftwing in freedoms but we're Capitalist.




ooc Ubarcapitalizt but uh, if I get in telegram me beecause I hate to route through 12+ pages, and if a war comes up or anybody needs any help telegram me.

Way of Waylend!

~Presidente Kim O

Im a "capitalist paradise" with a 92% income tax rate.

Figure that out! Well okay I have, business is largely free but the few taxes and strains on business are generally less if lots of investment is managed or the business works efficiently or they employ a lot of people at a wage above $6.50 USD per hour. (though we have no minimum wage lawy, hence the government picking up)

There is a large amount of tax extracted from people's incomes, but not their shares (the rate on this is lower), and this is redistributed to everyone, guaranteeing every citizen an income of $5000 Usd per person even if unemployed, in addition to the wage they earn. There is then a grant paid to every person per hour they work, to reward hard workers, and the exceptionally high earners get a small amount back.

This system guarantees everyone enough to live, and rewards hard workers, with bigger rewards for the talented. Of course we would suffer a brain drain, but barring a civil war which was totally un predictable, Notquiteaplace is stable and safe to live in and has a wonderful tropical climate with lots of beaches.

OOC: Yeah I saw that thread, I was going to compliment you on your sportsmanship actually.

Yeah my army is a slightly extreme but very plausible army, which is why it's fun to play, it could happen, but hasnt on Earth.
Hey, thanks :D

Ill join ... again .:P

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Should we let Holy Paradise broadcast on RFW?

Only if you call him a murderous bastard every 3 seconds in an astonishingly loud voice for his support of RB's Howard Zinn thing.

I take it no, then.

Meh, your call. I say not unless you ridicule him, berate him, and possibly insert a cactus into his pyjamas. :D

I haven't been allowed to access the forums yet.

Hmm. Sterange, no? Well, I shall validate ye!

W00t!

OOC: Nice sig TBD, can you give it to the Borman empire? It suits him so much better. :p (see the TBA thread, its 33 pages of which about 15 odd pages worth of posts are him bumping fr new recruits) But that is necessary for alliance recruiters I guess.

Do we have an official status on our membership? I was reading back to the first post and we are still listed as waiting approval.

Kind Thanks,
H.B.

P.S. We hope you are enjoying the leather office chairs.

To The Governing body of "The International"
From Ambassador Arron of Neo Cannen

We are very interested in joining your alliance. Your statement speeks books to us. We too are a nation of democratic socialists and we see what you are trying to do as a great mission.

Henrytopia: Not certain what your starus is, I'll pop in and find out for you.

Neo-Cannen: Added to list; apologies for me absence. Getting to my machine has been tricky.

Thank you, we appreciate your consideration. Understandably, it is a busy time for all of us in the government employ with some of celebrating different holidays.

Regards,
H.B.

Bump - any prospective members, we can be found at http://www.s4.invisionfree.com/the_international

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OOC I think I deserve a response is it because I say I'm black online but if you ever met me you would know that I was white? Is it cause of my tasteless suto-something awful humour, or did someone just miss my post?
Eh I'm just wondering.

It's 'cos someone missed your post. Namely, me. :) Sorry 'bout that.

Bumpskiy - note to self, get listed people sorted!

bump - all new applicants will be validated shortly and apologies for any delays.

Bump...

DPUO, which of these people waiting haven't been cleared?

DPUO, we expressed some interest in the International earlier, but we are wondering how that Charter is coming along? We need something to propose to the Parliament to ratify...

Just a friendly reminder.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Evil Hippie Empire of Evil Woody Thoughts

As far as I'm aware, it's still a work-in-progress sort of thing. I can't apologise enough for this pointless delay. By the way, I think the applicants are about due for entry - nobody's objected, yet.

I-Bumps-for-The-International!

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OOC: *crosses fingers*

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Whoever joins will get a free

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Bump - Dammit people! Come on! Get these fellas in and/or out!

I am still a member of TI, guys. I am in ComIntern and TI.

OOC: Well I quit the TBA, over a long term problem so Im really hoping for membership.

Fellow members of the international, I call for millitary assistance to defend Beligum against this groundless attack. There was no provocation and no need for conquest here.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383961&page=1

OOC: Still no awnser on membership yet? Or have I just missed it? Anyway could you tell me as soon as you can? thanks.

Bump - *kicks TI*

OOC: Is this an April fool's joke?

Nah, it's called foolish optimism.

Has it just ground to a halt? Stopped? Or died?

The communist nation of SRoR has interests in joining this orginization

Sevaris would like to join.

Has it just ground to a halt? Stopped? Or died?

Sort of halted. I need to prod it into action, basically, but I'm being cautious due to internal oddities. *Pokes TI*...no peace for the wicked.

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