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A number of armoured vans lay at the base of the Marseilles military airport, as troops went about their regular buisness. The conference hall had been set up in the commercial district of the city, with no official sign of it being as such. It was, however, quite lavish on the inside, quite plausible for such talks as were to commence.

The vans awaited the RWC delegates. They would be taken straight from the airport to the conference area, as RWC hate in France was at an all-time high. It was quite easy to get military-quality weapons in the country, too.

Grays Hill was happy to be able to participate in such historic meetings. The deletate from Grays Hill, the Grays Hillian Sec. of State Beau Bamburg, had arrived, and was loaded into a van and taken to the meeting hall. He has happy to be there, and joyful that a peacefull solution to this situation was capable of being reached.

High Inquisitor Follini a major of the office of external security and affairs will be attending the conference and has arrived at the airport to be transported to the conference.

The two seperate vans arrived at the complex at about the same time. The backed up to the doors, where the delegates were let into the seemingly run down building.

When they stepped in, it was like a whole different world. The seeming apartment complex was actually a beautiful foreign office.The first floor spanned the entire bottom floor as one large room. There was a reception desk, and four pathways to elevators, as well as quick escape routes, though they weren't obvious.

The delegates were lead up the left elevator, each being accompanied by a chellian National Guardsmen to their rooms, though the delegates were free to go whever they pleased, except restricted areas in the building.

The rooms had pretty much anything wanted. Computers on a T1 network, televisions, mini-bars with free food, etc. The delegates also had cars available to them, and prostitution is not illegal in chellis.

OOC: Sorry I am a bit late.

IC:

Ambassador Dureena Nafeel will be attending this conference on behalf of the Shadows and the RWC.

Regards,

The Shadows,

ooc: tgramming the other 2 guys about this thread.

OoC: Chellis, would it be okay to send a delegate to negotiate a right of passage with you at this conference?

The Iron Concordiat of Wirraway's Under Secretary of State, Chester Brown landed in Marseilles and waited to be taken to the conference by the Chellians.

OOC: So the deletages are Belem, The Merchant Guilds, Dumpsterdam, Wirraway, and I?

OOC: So the deletages are Belem, The Merchant Guilds, Dumpsterdam, Wirraway, and I?

OoC: I'm an ex-member but I still have a high interest in the opening of the strait, although my delegate will be trying to get the best deal for Dumpsterdam and not realy for the RWC>

OoC: I'm an ex-member but I still have a high interest in the opening of the strait, although my delegate will be trying to get the best deal for Dumpsterdam and not realy for the RWC>

OOC:Then you should request to go and represent Dumpsterdan at the conferences and leave you stop open for a RWC member.

OoC: Chellis, would it be okay to send a delegate to negotiate a right of passage with you at this conference?

OOC: You can, but Dumpsterdam wont be let throug the straits again until it ends its wars with chellian allies. That, and we may take the delegate as a prisoner, but I can't speak for the local french police.

Zarbia will be sending a delegate to discuss the matter at hand.

Zarbia will be sending a delegate to discuss the matter at hand.

OOC: I thought you were gone.

It would appear that I'm not.

ooc: ok lets get this rolling.

The delegates from The Merchants guild, Wirraway, and Zarbia were taken to the building in a similar fashion, being let to their rooms and everything, with the note that talks would start tomorrow. And so they would.

As the next day dawned, at 8:20 AM, Foreign Minister (Admiral) Amanda Nistalika sat in her chair, a the flat end of a crescent shaped table. There were five seats opposite of her, and two seats next to her, where two men were to feed her information and data as needed. There were also four armed guards in the room, and all the RWC ambassadors were minutely checked for weaponry.

The delegates were invited in at 8:30, after breakfast. Each table had a piece of paper and a pen, and whatever the RWC delegates had requested to bring with them, anything not quite out of the ordinary. Each seat also had a personal phone, which could be called on for service, or to make messages to people outside the conference. The Delegates were seated promptly, and Admiral Nistalika looked at them with a grim look.

"I don't want to be here anymore than you gentlemen do. We are in a very difficult position. Our allies are pushing us to close the strait, and keep the strait closed. We agree with their sentiment. The RWC seems to be habitually aggresive, preparing for wars constantly. One of your leaders has engaged in war with some of our allies, and many of your members have supported him, leaving the alliance if they must.

The RWC has posed itself as a menace, and I personally think it should be destroyed. However, I am a representative of my government, and as such must give the terms I have been asked to give. The papers outline them. Im fine with free responses from any of you, but one at a time if you would, giving me a chance to respond before more discussion."

One of the two men passed papers around. The terms were as follows:

*The Official RWC Recognition of Chellis owning the Gibraltar Strait, and being able to legally close it off at its leisure, being chellian waters.

*The RWC will not engage in an aggresive war against Chellian allies for the next ten years.

*The RWC will sign a Non Aggresion Pact with chellis, which lasts ten years.

*The RWC will not embargo, or in any way hinder trade with Chellis for the next ten years.

*The RWC will not use any WMD, including but not limited to Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical weaponry against anyone for the next ten years. If a member state uses it, the RWC may kick them to maintain the agreement, or it will be void, and Chellis may re-block the strait.

*The RWC will recognize all current Chellian land to belong to Chellis, and chellis alone, including the Cadiz region of Spain.

*The RWC will stop spying on Chellis, and Chellian allies. This includes NATO, even though we are no longer affiliated with them. Kicking of a member state not following this is appropriate patronage.

*The RWC will not build up large amounts of men on Chellian borders for the next ten years.

*The RWC will recognize all terms in this agreement to being in effect forever, unless a date is specified by the agreement.

*The RWC as a whole agree's to this statement, any members who don't agree will be kicked from the RWC or the agreement becomes void.

*In concession, Chellis will do the following:

*Chellis shall not blockade the Straits from the RWC as a whole for the next ten years, though individual members breaking rules may have the strait closed on them individually.

*Chellis will not hinder trade with any RWC member for the next ten years.

*Chellis will not make any imperialistic attack on an RWC nation for the next ten years.

Your treaty needs to be completely revamped as it is lopsided and biased and offers no true concessions for Chellis and attempts to Cripple the RWC.


*The Official RWC Recognition of Chellis owning the Gibraltar Strait, and being able to legally close it off at its leisure, being chellian waters.

Unacceptable. Many RWC nations have assets within the med that need to be defended properly and Gilbraltor is the only way to keep them supplied. However we respect national waters and can agree not to engage in any hostilities while whithin Chellis National Waters.

*The RWC will not engage in an aggresive war against Chellian allies for the next ten years.

Unacceptable. A defensive war can turn aggressive which would then void the treaty,

*The RWC will sign a Non Aggresion Pact with chellis, which lasts ten years.

Acceptable. However bare in mind that the RWC does not enforce upon it members decrees an RWC nation can do as it wishes without official RWC sponsering.

*The RWC will not embargo, or in any way hinder trade with Chellis for the next ten years.

Unacceptable. It is a nations right to choice who they will trade with and the RWC can not force this upon its members.

*The RWC will not use any WMD, including but not limited to Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical weaponry against anyone for the next ten years. If a member state uses it, the RWC may kick them to maintain the agreement, or it will be void, and Chellis may re-block the strait.

Completely and utterly unacceptable. In our world nations are constantly using primarily chemical and nuclear weapons against each other this would severly hinder RWC nations in there own defense and once again violates the basic tenets of RWC laws.

*The RWC will stop spying on Chellis, and Chellian allies. This includes NATO, even though we are no longer affiliated with them. Kicking of a member state not following this is appropriate patronage.

Unacceptable once again. You ask us to do what we can not force our members to do and ask us to cripple ourselves by allowing you and your allies to spy on us.

*The RWC will not build up large amounts of men on Chellian borders for the next ten years.

Acceptable. But as previoulsy stated we can't force our member nations not to do said action, but said action would not be an official RWC action.

*The RWC will recognize all terms in this agreement to being in effect forever, unless a date is specified by the agreement.

No comment neccesary

*The RWC as a whole agree's to this statement, any members who don't agree will be kicked from the RWC or the agreement becomes void.

Once again violation of RWC national soverignty

*Chellis shall not blockade the Straits from the RWC as a whole for the next ten years, though individual members breaking rules may have the strait closed on them individually.

Completely Unacceptable again. You ask us to cripple ourselves indefinately but yet then think you can just put a time limit on closing the straights.

*Chellis will not hinder trade with any RWC member for the next ten years.

see above.

*Chellis will not make any imperialistic attack on an RWC nation for the next ten years.

see above.

Your treaty needs to be completely revamped as it is lopsided and biased and offers no true concessions for Chellis and attempts to Cripple the RWC.


*The Official RWC Recognition of Chellis owning the Gibraltar Strait, and being able to legally close it off at its leisure, being chellian waters.

Unacceptable. Many RWC nations have assets within the med that need to be defended properly and Gilbraltor is the only way to keep them supplied. However we respect national waters and can agree not to engage in any hostilities while whithin Chellis National Waters.

This is an un-negotiable term

*The RWC will not engage in an aggresive war against Chellian allies for the next ten years.

Unacceptable. A defensive war can turn aggressive which would then void the treaty,

Aggresive is different than invasive. Its meant to stop an un-provoked war.

*The RWC will sign a Non Aggresion Pact with chellis, which lasts ten years.

Acceptable. However bare in mind that the RWC does not enforce upon it members decrees an RWC nation can do as it wishes without official RWC sponsering.

Then you never should have come in the first place. We will not sign any agreement unless the entire RWC follows it. Stop wasting our time.

*The RWC will not embargo, or in any way hinder trade with Chellis for the next ten years.

Unacceptable. It is a nations right to choice who they will trade with and the RWC can not force this upon its members.

See above

*The RWC will not use any WMD, including but not limited to Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical weaponry against anyone for the next ten years. If a member state uses it, the RWC may kick them to maintain the agreement, or it will be void, and Chellis may re-block the strait.

Completely and utterly unacceptable. In our world nations are constantly using primarily chemical and nuclear weapons against each other this would severly hinder RWC nations in there own defense and once again violates the basic tenets of RWC laws.

This can be amended to the usage of such weapons only in self defense. Other than that, see above.

*The RWC will stop spying on Chellis, and Chellian allies. This includes NATO, even though we are no longer affiliated with them. Kicking of a member state not following this is appropriate patronage.

Unacceptable once again. You ask us to do what we can not force our members to do and ask us to cripple ourselves by allowing you and your allies to spy on us.

Chellis will not be spying, and we would hope our allies such as NATO would not as well.

*The RWC will not build up large amounts of men on Chellian borders for the next ten years.

Acceptable. But as previoulsy stated we can't force our member nations not to do said action, but said action would not be an official RWC action.

Then there is no point to a conference as such, stop wasting our time.

*The RWC will recognize all terms in this agreement to being in effect forever, unless a date is specified by the agreement.

No comment neccesary

*The RWC as a whole agree's to this statement, any members who don't agree will be kicked from the RWC or the agreement becomes void.

Once again violation of RWC national soverignty

This is a completely unchangable term.

*Chellis shall not blockade the Straits from the RWC as a whole for the next ten years, though individual members breaking rules may have the strait closed on them individually.

Completely Unacceptable again. You ask us to cripple ourselves indefinately but yet then think you can just put a time limit on closing the straights.

In ten years, such tensions should die down. The alternative is an indefinate closing.

*Chellis will not hinder trade with any RWC member for the next ten years.

see above.

*Chellis will not make any imperialistic attack on an RWC nation for the next ten years.

see above.

"We shall not waste our time if the RWC cannot enforce these policies on its members. We are willing to come to terms with any Individual RWC nations who accept these terms, and wish to make that clear. However, this conference is over if the RWC cannot make terms effective over its members. We ask you to leave now, you can find your own way to the damn civilian airport." With that, Admiral Nistalika waved to the guards, who began to escort the delegates out.

"So this wasn't meant to be a conference just an insane chellis ultimatium"

IC:

'We are disappointed Chellis doesn't understand the meaning of 'negotiation', we would like to open up a line of communication about this. But Chellis appears to only want their demands to be met, which are totally unreasonable to ask of any alliance founded on similar principles to the RWC. No doubt had we agreed to them your colleagues in the NWO would attack RWC property and nations with impunnity simply because we would hambstringed by such a treaty. We would like to offer a proposal to you if you are willing to listen.'

"*Chellis shall not blockade the Straits from the RWC as a whole for the next ten years, though individual members breaking rules may have the strait closed on them individually."

The whole point of these talks are to keep the straight OPEN, and not for just 10 years.

Now I have a few things that I think should go into affect.
*All RWC nations should have full access though the channel (military or civilian ships) as long as get the proper clearence, or are escorted from a distance. RWC nations have colonies in the Med. and closing the straight is like signing their death warrents.

"I do not agree with many of the things you put out on the table, but I believe that they can be altared and tweaked to make them fair, and unbiased."

"Chellis is willing to negotiate, but it has two completely un-negotiable terms. The strait is ours to close, being a part of our sovereign waters. If the RWC won't recognize it, we wont negotiate.

We also wont make an agreement where the members aren't held to anything. That could effectively mean nothing happens to them, while chellis is held to its terms.

If these two terms are not able to be completed, we see no reason to further waste our time with this. We will open the strait when we feel it is the right time. If any RWC nation wishes to make a seperate peace with us, with the terms given(or some adjustable, though not the recognizing of chellian lands and the strait being able to be closed), we can make arrangements.

"Chellis is willing to negotiate, but it has two completely un-negotiable terms. The strait is ours to close, being a part of our sovereign waters. If the RWC won't recognize it, we wont negotiate.

OoC: I think MG and the others believe that this still gives you the right to close off the straits to all RWC members while still allowing all others to pass, that woudn't be exactly fair.

OoC: I think MG and the others believe that this still gives you the right to close off the straits to all RWC members while still allowing all others to pass, that woudn't be exactly fair.

OOC: It does, but not for the next ten years.

"I agree that the straight is your to close, but the whole purpose of these talks is to re-open the straight for RWC members. The stipulations about WMD and others have nothing to do with this issue. And I urge Beau Bamburg to realize this and stress it during the talks"- GH President Allan Cooke on the issue of the Straight of Gibraltar.

Once again we can not force our members to recognize the treaty it is there soveirgn right to make there own decisions on the matter. However we can seriously advice them agree to the treaty, but they are free to do what the wish as is there right and the RWC makes no extreneous claims on forcing treaties down members throats that they may not agree with.

Once again we can not force our members to recognize the treaty it is there soveirgn right to make there own decisions on the matter. However we can seriously advice them agree to the treaty, but they are free to do what the wish as is there right and the RWC makes no extreneous claims on forcing treaties down members throats that they may not agree with.

We could make them recognize it, or leave the alliance, for the sake of peace.

And thats against the principles of the RWC.

"We are willing to discuss terms, such as the WMD part, as they are seen as lesser terms. The two terms that must be agreed upon are that all RWC members must have the final terms pressed upon them, and the strait is ours to close. For whatever time limits the agreement is based on, it can be renewed at the end of each period, thereby keeping the straits open to the RWC indefidentally. If the RWC cannot hold these two terms, then we are willing to make individual treaties." Admiral Nistalika.

"How bout we just pay you a billion dollars to open the straigts, never close them for us again and forget this incident"

"How bout we just pay you a billion dollars to open the straigts, never close them for us again and forget this incident"

Thats a good idea. We could give you (Chellis) a constant flow of money.

"How bout we just pay you a billion dollars to open the straigts, never close them for us again and forget this incident"

"How bout, no chance in hell? Chellis isn't open to bribes!" Admiral Nistalika.

Your loss.

We urge Belem not to give up so quickly. These kind of talks can take a while. And with so much at stake, we should take our time and come to a peaceful and respectful resolution.