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The Colonial Arms Corporation is pleased to present the CP21 Pistol for international export. Chambered for the 5.7x28mm cartridge that is also used in the P90 Submachinegun, the CP21 Pistol offers superior accuracy and armour penetration while greatly simplifying the logistics of supplying a military on the move with sufficent ammunition. Be it in desert, jungle, or urban environments, the CP21 is designed to provide excellent performance as a military or government issue sidearm.

The CP21 is capable of firing in semi-automatic, three round burst, or fully automatic modes. While occasional jamming while firing in the fully automatic mode sometimes occurs in the current production model of the CP21, the Colonial Arms Corporation is attempting to correct this minor and occasional malfunction issue.

According to independent testing, the CP21 is capable of penetrating standard PAGST vests at 300 meters and standard CRISAT (kevlar + titanium) vests at 100 meters. Because of this, and since the ammunition between the commonly carried P90 and the CP21 can be interchanged with a simple change in magazine types, the CP21 is frequently found in the hands of Colonial special forces and intelligence operatives worldwide who report the ability to swap ammunition so easily between an SMG and a pistol to be of considerable utility.



The CP21 5.7mm Pistol (Black Combat Slide)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/aae1fa64.jpg

The CP21 5.7mm Pistol (Alternate Sights, Chrome Ceremonial Slide)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/gun-sword_1749_7168540.gif

A drug enforcement agent armed with a CP21
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/tomr4_3.jpg

Full Weapon Specifications
Standard Caliber: 5.7mm
Length, overall: 230mm
Barrel length: 135mm
Weight unloaded : 1100g
Capacity: 24 (5.7mm Rounds)


The CP21 5.7mm Pistol is being offered at $350 per pistol, with cleaning kit, maintenence guide, spare parts kit, combat thigh holster (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/1301304d.jpg), black combat slide and chrome ceremonial slide included.

Production rights are available for a sum of one billion dollars.

OOC: Comments, advice welcome.

From a purely gun freak's perspective you have a look on the HKpro website for the "fixed" version of the tomb raider pic, ie the one where angela isn't breaking rule no2:
"always keep your finger off the trigger until youa re goign to fire"



Oh you might have at least gone for a decent PDW round like Leiter wise solution or .224BOZ as 5.7mm FN hasn't quite crakced up to all that it promised.

OOC: Any other comments or suggestions? Was going with 5.7mm a bad choice?

I'll take 1 million of them for 680 million dollars.

Thems is happylicious.

But seriously, that is one awesome gun.

I'll take 1 million of them for 680 million dollars.


Your order has been confirmed, shipments to your nation will begin immediately. The Colonial Arms Corporation appriciates your business, and since The People's Republic of Ronius Vigilantes is the first major buyer of the CP21, a price discount of 10 million dollars has been awarded to you. Your total is 670 million US dollars.

Wishing your nation the very best,

- President Melissa Galianos, Colonial Arms Corporation


OOC: Thank you for the kind words Ronius Vigilantes.

Comments? Is 5.7mm a good caliber? Does the pistol need a larger magazine?

From a purely gun freak's perspective you have a look on the HKpro website for the "fixed" version of the tomb raider pic, ie the one where angela isn't breaking rule no2:
"always keep your finger off the trigger until youa re goign to fire"
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maybye shes shooting at a bird

The Colonial Arms Corporation is pleased to announce a price drop for the CP21 5.7mm Automatic Pistol. These fully capable weapons are now available for a sum of $350 per pistol with cleaning kit, maintenence guide, spare parts kit and combat thigh holster (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/1301304d.jpg) included.

I am sorry to rain on your parade, but you have totally wanked the statistics on this weapon. The problem as I see it is that you STOLE EVERYTHING (statistically) FROM THE Five-SeveN AND CALLED IT YOUR OWN!

Here's the tried and true FN Five-SeveN:

Chambering: 5.7x28mm SS190
Length: 208 mm
Barrel length : 122.5 mm
Weight: ca. 620 g with empty magazine; ca. 760 g loaded
Magazine: 20 rounds

Compared to the "CP21":

Standard Caliber: 5.7mm
Length, overall: 208mm
Barrel length: 135mm lengthened by 12.5 mm
Weight unloaded : 680g difference of 20 grams
Capacity: 24 (5.7mm Rounds) increaded by 4 rounds

Whoopty-fucking-doo, you increased the magazine size by four rounds, made the thing slightly heavier, and wanked the barrel length so that the firing mechanism is tiny. Tell me, how do you achieve only “occasional jamming while firing in the fully automatic mode” with a mechanism that has been tightened by 12.5 mm?

Really, though, I’m not so much mad as just annoyed that someone would have the gall to copy a weapon this closely and market it as something original. The most original thing you did was doctor a picture of the gun shown in Tomb Rader.

Please don’t do this again, and if you do, don’t tell me that it is superior to the weapon you copied. Wanking doesn’t fix basic physics, size-weight ratios, or practicality.

Why did you bump a 6 month old thread??? It's not like he sells it anymore...

He's advertising it to THL. I just felt the need to tell her why she shouldn't use it, and in doing that I felt I should say something about wanking equipment. My apologies.

Ah, ok, cool, but you should have TGed THL or posted in THL's thread, not here.

I am sorry to rain on your parade, but you have totally wanked the statistics on this weapon. The problem as I see it is that you STOLE EVERYTHING (statistically) FROM THE Five-SeveN AND CALLED IT YOUR OWN!

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Whoopty-fucking-doo, you increased the magazine size by four rounds, made the thing slightly heavier, and wanked the barrel length so that the firing mechanism is tiny. Tell me, how do you achieve only “occasional jamming while firing in the fully automatic mode” with a mechanism that has been tightened by 12.5 mm?

Really, though, I’m not so much mad as just annoyed that someone would have the gall to copy a weapon this closely and market it as something original. The most original thing you did was doctor a picture of the gun shown in Tomb Rader.

Please don’t do this again, and if you do, don’t tell me that it is superior to the weapon you copied. Wanking doesn’t fix basic physics, size-weight ratios, or practicality.

OOC:

First off, I would like to apologize for any anger I have caused you, as you seem to be very upset by my actions. I would like to explain myself, and the pistol, but I would like to get that out of the way first. I certainly did not mean to upset anyone when this sidearm was conceived of.

The pistol was, yes, based heavily on the Five-Seven. I put it together essentially working with the thought of "How could the Five-Seven be improved? What features of it could be more effectively utilized? What would be such an improvement that users might want to replace thier Five-Sevens with this newer, improved pistol?" To answer these questions, I looked at the Five-Seven's strengths - magazine capacity and penetrative ability.

I believe one of the major strengths of the Five-Seven to be its rather large magazine capacity of 20 rounds, which is the largest non-extended magazine I have ever seen for a pistol. Now, with this strength identified, I thought that a fully automatic firing mode would be a good way to more effectively take advantage of this strength. The Five-Seven already has a 20 round magazine, why not allow its user to fire that large magazine in a faster firing mode than semi-automatic? With that feature decided upon, I looked at the rest of the Five-Seven.

With penetrative ability being a highly touted strength of the Five-Seven, I hoped that I could improve upon that even more with an extended barrel. Going by your comment though, I suppose I made it too long - this was the type of thing that I was hoping someone would have mentioned when I was asking for comments. With this new knowledge in hand, I'll either shorten the barrel or lengthen the entire CP21 inorder to make it more workable in reality. If someone would have told me that the barrel was too long earlier, I would have gladly changed it - I did not realize that it was too long. Realizing my mistake in this area, and working with the gun length/barrel ratio of 1.7:1 (which I hope is reasonable), I'll be changing the length of the entire pistol to 230mm. While we clearly have a disagreement on our hands over the validity of the CP21 as a design in principle, and my intentions in putting it together, I would like to thank you for pointing out that the barrel was too long. I was seeking this type of help.

The other changes that I made were not as major in nature. Four rounds were added in order to further take advantage of the new automatic firing mode, and provide more available power to the user overall. Weight was increased, although by your comments, I suppose it isn't heavy enough. Again, thank you - I didn't realize that it was too light. I'll change the weight to 1100 grams, which I'm hoping is more feasible.

I added the comment about “occasional jamming while firing in the fully automatic mode” in an effort to give the CP21 a weakness in that its not paticularly reliable, and thus keep it firmly outside of "uber-perfect gun" territory. I realize now that I failed in other areas, namely weight and length when attempting to do so, but the jam-prone nature of the CP21 was supposed to be the primary weakness that kept it RP balanced.

The CP21 was supposed to be superior to the Five-Seven in that it had an automatic firing mode, a longer barrel, and four more rounds, but inferior in that it was heavier (although I now realize not heavier enough), unreliable and prone to jamming, and now, due to your pointing it out, longer and larger. With both advantages and disadvantages, I hoped to create a balanced alternative to the Five-Seven with different strengths and weaknesses.

Now, as I did at the begining of this post, I will admit that the CP21 was heavily based on the Five-Seven, and was infact an effort to create a similar-but-different alternative to it. I looked at the Five-Seven to find strengths, and then added and expanded on these strengths. Then, I added weaknesses which were not found in the Five-Seven. It was not my intention to wank, or to simply copy the Five-Seven in its entirety, rename it, and sell it. It was my intention to create a pistol superior to the Five-Seven in some ways, but inferior in others - an alternative pistol for those willing to put up with some jamming in order to get automatic fire from a slightly larger magazine and longer barrel.


And while I think it looks quite good, I didn't photoshop that photo of Angelina Jolie. It's taken from official film promotional material, so I can't take credit for that.