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OOC: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381136
Since WA is conviced he can escape wiht 5 men, his leader and some other person from a battle barge with over 8,000 space marines on it ive decided to ignore him, where as if he accpted the fact he couldnt get away but was going to do a rescue mission then well this would never of happened.
Thinking that Jwolf will try and fight his way out he would have been killed in the first seconds when a Space marine hold a Plasma Bolter Rfile to his head pulled the triger. i would take it that his guards would try and fight but they to would die so with no futher ado:-

IC:

Raven looked over JWolfs body, she smired at him then spat on his head "pitty you wont see your homeworld burn under the joint force of the Chronosian and Dark Empire fleets" she smerked. "take there bodies away, have wolf here body cut into 4 peaces send each part to the 4 corners of the empire" she ordered.

On the homeworld of the dark empire, Kimiko was annoyed she was hopeing to battle Jwolf but when he ordered the killing all them people she didnt care. She had ordered the 2nd, 3rd and 4th high fleets to go to the Wolf XXX system and wipe them all out, to leave nothing.

It was done easyly, when the 3rd and 4th high fleets assulted the system, takeing meny loses has the smashed though the astroid belt. From above the 2nd came down evoiding the astroid belt and came down directly onto the dark planet. the battle took over 4 hours but in the end, the wolf forces didnt stand a chance. Then Chronosian forces jumped in reinforceing the High fleets and together the orbital bombardment on the planet turned it into a waste land not fit for a cokroch to live on. nothing was speared as the fleets moved though the system, the orbital star gate was destroyed, civilian ships, destroyed. nothing was speared and when it was done, all the ship left the system but 1. this one fired mutiply nova torpedos into the sun and jumped out. the sun first seemed normal then, slowly it started to brake up and a massive explodtion followed, the shockwave went though the system destroying all in its path and thrus the desution of the Wolf XXX system was completed.

What was left of the Wolf American people gods only know, but what was shore was that now an entire system, 100s of millions of lives lost due to the stupid actions of one man...Lord Jwolf for ordering the Destroyer of the sith to open fire on a Shipyard complex that was only crime was detecting and ordering the ship to tell them who they were. whos only crime was fireing a few warning shots at the area of the cloaked ship to force it to decloak.

OOC: why say Wolf America is ignored when i can make a storie, hes ignored by me now since well he just tryed to godmod his way out of a situation.

Er... it's usually bad form to make a "I ignore you thread" when you ignore someone you generally just ignore them by not RPing with them or talking to/about them.

Ignored.

The Chronosian Emperor loked out at the ruins of the system. "And so we begin, Corpsaccian brothers" He looked to the skies and cackled; smiling at the satisfaction of scourging an entire system of life. "This is to know how the gods feel" Inhuman chants and prayers broadcasted on every channel. "The Black Crusade is begun; let the Fleet of Chaos assemble, one and all over the ashes of this first conquest....And let the galaxy burn"

OOC: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381136
Since WA is convinced he can escape with 5 men, his leader and some other person from a battle barge with over 8,000 space marines on it I have decided to ignore him, where as if he accepted the fact he couldn’t get away but was going to do a rescue mission then well this would never of happened.
Thinking that JWolf will try and fight his way out he would have been killed in the first seconds when a Space marine hold a Plasma Bolter Rifle to his head pulled the trigger. I would take it that his guards would try and fight but they to would die so with no further ado:-

OOC: I told you on the IM to chill. I had three things I could. If you did quit sending me IM, I would have posted. You send me some dumb stuff. I.E. Magic can be use on the ship & Raven & the space marines can’t be hurt by the Force. I was going to post but you pissed me off.
So, I was testing you and failed my test.

The only person near Lord JWolf was Raven not a space marine.

Number 1: Have Lord JWolf and his team all holograms. Being a Jedi Master, Lord JWolf can move his heart beat and other thing around. Have the shuttle in the hanger go boom, sending stuff into the ship life support systems.

Number 2: Use the power of Anubis to knock everybody of the bridge down. Lord JWolf has the gem of Anubis around his neck. Use it to try everybody in the bridge undead. After they are undead, they will do what ever Lord JWolf.

Number 3: Have Lord JWolf duck under the Plasma Bolter Rifles and pull his hunting knife. Then attack Raven's knee joints and leg muscles. (That would take anybody out.)

IC:

Raven looked over JWolf's body, she smirked at him then spat on his head "pitty you wont see your homeworld burn under the joint force of the Chronosian and Dark Empire fleets" she smerked. "take there bodies away, have wolf here body cut into 4 peaces send each part to the 4 corners of the empire" she ordered.

OOC: Lord JWolf is a Jedi Master. His body would be come part of the Force. So, there would not be a body, Corpsac. Use you mind and think about Jedis for little bit.

On the homeworld of the dark empire, Kimiko was annoyed she was hopeing to battle JWolf but when he ordered the killing all them people she didn't care. She had ordered the 2nd, 3rd and 4th high fleets to go to the Wolf XXX system and wipe them all out, to leave nothing.

OOC: I never give you the location of Wolf XXX, I repeat, I never give you the loaction of Wolf XXX.

It was done easily, when the 3rd and 4th high fleets assaulted the system, taking many loses as they smashed though the asteroid belt.

OOC: Yeah, that would happen when you fly into asteroid belt.

From above the 2nd came down avoiding the asteroid belt and came down directly onto the dark planet.

OOC: Then your 2nd fleet ran in space mines and laser fire and missile fire.

The battle took over 4 hours but in the end, the wolf forces didn’t stand a chance.

OOC: It would take me four hours to finished the rest of your fleet.

Then Chronosian forces jumped in reinforcing the High fleets..

OOC: By the time the Chronosian force got there, your fleet was gone.

and together the orbital bombardment on the planet turned it into a waste land not fit for a cockroach to live on. Nothing was speared as the fleets moved though the system, the orbital star gate was destroyed, civilian ships, destroyed. Nothing was speared and when it was done, all the ship left the system but 1. This one fired multiply nova torpedoes into the sun and jumped out. The sun first seemed normal then, slowly it started to brake up and a massive exploitation followed, the shockwave went though the system destroying all in its path and thus the desution of the Wolf XXX system was completed.

OOC: You don't have any ships left.

What was left of the Wolf American people gods only know, but what was shore was that now an entire system, 100s of millions of lives lost due to the stupid actions of one man...Lord JWolf for ordering the Destroyer of the Sith to open fire on a Shipyard complex that was only crime was detecting and ordering the ship to tell them who they were. Who's only crime was firing a few warning shots at the area of the cloaked ship to force it to decloak.

OOC: There are only 6 - 15 million people living on the Dark Planet. The rest of my people live on Earth.

Lord JWolf was in middle the two halves of Kimiko Sith's body in the Kal'nor'tec.

The Corpcosians in the crowd are cheering "Lord JWolf, Lord JWolf, Lord JWolf!!" They did that over and over.

Then Lord JWolf put his hands up to hush the crowd.

"People of the Dark Empire listen to me," he yelled "Meet your new leader."

A man about 6' 7" in space marine armor wearing a black duster walk into the fighting ground. He has jet black hair and goatee with a gray line in the middle.

"This is Commander Hanzi Shakespeare, the Margrave of Drac, the Poison of Slovenia, and your new leader." yelled Lord JWolf.

The crowd when nuts.

Commander Hanzi Shakespeare & Lord JWolf shake hands over the two halfs of Kimiko Sith's body.

"Now, bring be Raven." order Lord JWolf to two guards.

The two guards pull Raven by his hair out to where Commander Hanzi Shakespeare & Lord JWolf are at. She has been beating by guards in the back.

"Miss Raven, stand up." yelled Commander Hanzi Shakespeare.

It took Raven a little bit to get up. She was looking at Lord JWolf & Commander Hanzi Shakespeare in thier eyes.

"You have been charge with being a dumb person." said Lord JWolf.

Commander Hanzi Shakespeare rise his Plasma Bolter Rifle and fire at his head.

His body hit the gound before it knew it was died.

Commander Hanzi Shakespeare & Lord JWolf walk out of the fighting ground and to a waiting land pad.

"Commander Shakespeare, have fun running the new State of the United States of Wolf America." said Lord JWolf at the back of a shuttle.

"I will, Lord JWolf. Just call, if you need us." said Commander Shakespeare.

"I will." said Lord JWolf as he got on to the shuttle.

The shuttle left the landing pad and enter space.

It docked with the WASF The Destroyer of the Sith.

The huge ship and its escorts enter fold and leave the homeworld of the new states of the United States of Wolf America.

OOC: just to clarify your homeworld can't be unfindable; since thats impossible and a god mod. Also; I think two whole fleets, coming to your planet from above, 500 miles from the asteroid belt defenses wouldn't meet lazers and missles ;)

And can't we just resolve this normally and have the duel like you planned instead of fucking everything up and Rping unfairly killing each others leaders....God; I feel like sending Marcus to bitchslap Lord JWolf personally

OOC: just to clarify your homeworld can't be unfindable; since that’s impossible and a god mod.

OOC: The only way he could I found it was to fly all over space. The whole galaxy.

Also; I think two whole fleets, coming to your planet from above, 500 miles from the asteroid belt defenses wouldn't meet lasers and missiles ;)

OOC: Did you read the whole thing I wrote? There a space mines above and below the belt.

And can't we just resolve this normally and have the duel like you planned instead of fucking everything up and Rping unfairly killing each others leaders....God; I feel like sending Marcus to bitchslap Lord JWolf personally

OOC: Can if Corpsac do it, if I can get all the info on his leader & Raven. But he pulled some stuff and said his leader can leave her homeworld because he will died.

Plus, my post counter acted with his post.

I feel like sending Marcus to b**** slap Lord JWolf personally

OOC: Chronosia, can Marcus leave his planet? If so I will role-play with you.

The same deal but I will need all OCC info on Marcus. That you fight where I say because the person who offer the duel will get to pick the location.

Lord JWolf's info is at the top of this post (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6808264&postcount=3)

OOC: yes, the Daemon Emperor of Chronosia can leave his planet; and is eager to claim the soul of Lord JWolf :P
I need some conflict.
The Deal is; if I win, you will become part of the Chronosian Imperium and thgus subervient to the CCA and the GE.
If you win; Chronosia will pay reparations to the USWA for its attack on the Destroyer of Sith. It will seed at least two colony worlds and use them as payment for crimes against WA.
Your terms?

OOC: yes, the Daemon Emperor of Chronosia can leave his planet; and is eager to claim the soul of Lord JWolf :P
I need some conflict.

OOC: Ok. That sound better than Corpsac's leader.

[QUOTE=Chronosia]The Deal is; if I win, you will become part of the Chronosian Imperium and thus subervient to the CCA and the GE.

OOC: About the GE part, I know they are ignoring me. I will become part of the Chronosian Imperium but my government will stay.

If you win; Chronosia will pay reparations to the USWA for its attack on the WASF Destroyer of Sith. It will seed at least two colony worlds and use them as payment for crimes against WA.
Your terms?

OOC: Don't need colony worlds.

Here are my terms & your terms together:

If Daemon Emperor, Marcus, wins, the USWA join the Chronosian Imperium and let a Space Marines chapter be placed on the free planet in Wolf XXX.
Plus, the USWA with pay 2% of our Government Budget for 10 years to the Chronosian Imperium.
My government will stay and my armed forces will fight with me & you, if needed.
My werewolves can train your scouts.
I.E. Show them how to use with the mind (Smell & See & etc.) to find things not the high tech stuff.
My Dark Elves & Elves can train your people in the way of magic.
You can use the Jedi Academy of the Dark Planet anytime the Chronosian Imperium need it
As long the Chronosian Imperium's Siths don't attack the Wolf America's Jedis.

If the Vampire Lord, Lord JWolf, wins, the Chronosian Imperium will join the United States and leave the GE for life. (The Chaos Alliance can stay)
Plus, the Chronosian Imperium with pay 2% of your Government Budget for 10 years to the USWA to pay for its attack on the WASF Destroyer of Sith.
Your government will stay and your armed forces will fight with you & me, if needed.
Your space marines will train the USWA's space marines, anytime the USWA wants

Deal.

Deal.

Are you on AIM, right now? If so, IM me.

There a space mines above and below the belt.

Despite the fact that asteroid belts are extremely low density, something people tend to forget thanks to the media, and wouldn't make for much of an obstacle that's not what bugs me.

It's the sheer volume of space you're supposedly mining. I don't know how far out your asteroid belt is, but saying it has the orbital radius the same as Earth's, and is 500,000 km wide, and 500,000 km thick, that would mean the asteroid belt takes up 2.4x10^29 cubic meters. That leaves 1.4x10^32 cubic meters of empty space you have to mine.

Now lets say you want a mine density of 1 mine per hundred cubic meters. That would mean you need 1.4x10^30 mines. That's 1.4 million trillion trillion mines.
Now if each mine has a mass of 500 kg, then you would need 7x10^32 kg of mass. Which is 351.8 times the mass of the Sun.

So in conclusion. You're mine field gets a big fat zero on the possibility scale. Unless of course you want your mine field to be so sparse that it poses absolutely no threat to any invaders.

Well, thank you for the burst of logic Xess. We've dissected over and over again this guys system; apparently his planet doesn't move around the sun, and the system is surrounded by asteroids, which have missles and lazers and mines defending them. But space is still 3D, so I could be under it from lightyears away and just head that way; straight at the planet, far from any minefields or asteroids, which you have pointed out shouldn't exist :)

Despite the fact that asteroid belts are extremely low density, something people tend to forget thanks to the media, and wouldn't make for much of an obstacle that's not what bugs me.

It's the sheer volume of space you're supposedly mining. I don't know how far out your asteroid belt is, but saying it has the orbital radius the same as Earth's, and is 500,000 km wide, and 500,000 km think, that would mean the asteroid belt takes up 2.4x10^29 cubic meters. That leaves 1.4x10^32 cubic meters of empty space you have to mine.

Now lets say you want a mine density of 1 mine per hundred cubic meters. That would mean you need 1.4x10^30 mines. That's 1.4 trillion trillion million mines.
Now if each mine has a mass of 500 kg, then you would need 7x10^32 kg of mass. Which is 351.8 times the mass of the Sun.

So in conclusion. You're mine field gets a big fat zero on the possibility scale. Unless of course you want your mine field to be so sparse that it poses absolutely no threat to any invaders.

The mines are Gravity Mine.

If the enemy ship get to near to the mines, they target it and latch on. The Mines then self-destuct, leaving a whole lotta damage in their wake

Well, thank you for the burst of logic Xess. We've dissected over and over again this guys system; apparently his planet doesn't move around the sun, and the system is surrounded by asteroids, which have missles and lazers and mines defending them. But space is still 3D, so I could be under it from lightyears away and just head that way; straight at the planet, far from any minefields or asteroids, which you have pointed out shouldn't exist :)

You're quite welcome. And that system is more messed up than I thought :p

Lol, you have no idea....Forests without light; life without heat; Egads Holy Hermaphrodites Xess-Man! Its biology gone awary!

The mines are Gravity Mine.

If the enemy ship get to near to the mines, they target it and latch on. The Mines then self-destuct, leaving a whole lotta damage in their wake

How does this refute my point that you would need more than 350 times the mass of the Sun worth of mines to make the field even moderately dangerous?

Lol, you have no idea....Forests without light; life without heat; Egads Holy Hermaphrodites Xess-Man! Its biology gone awary!

Lol indeed. :D

How does this refute my point that you would need more than 350 times the mass of the Sun worth of mines to make the field even moderately dangerous?

The point is, Corpsac godmode in that post.

The point is, Corpsac godmode in that post.

Huh? I'm talking about your mines in your system. CorpSac has nothing to do with them or my evaluation of them.

god are you people still compaining about this WA YOUR IGNORED BY ME, i made this thread since i wasnt going to make one saying WA your ignored i decided to make a small vary short story about it. See now in my timeline i destroyed WA killed his leader etc, in anyone elces it never happened GET OVER IT WA YOU GODMODED IN THE OTHER THREAD WHY ELCE WOULD YOU DELETE ALL YOUR POSTS, YOU ATTACKED ME FOR NO REASON AND THEN YOU STATED ON AIM THAT YOUR LEADER COULD GET OFF A SHIP THAT HAS OVER 58,000 SPACE MARINES ON IT AND SOMEHOW GET AWAY TO YOUR HOMESYSTEM. GET REAL EVEN I WOULD ACCEPT DEFEAT AT THAT POINT BUT NOO YOU TRYED TO GODMOD SO I SAID I IGNORED YOU AND I HAVE. let this thread die WA is the new Seph but can spell and make a longer post.

Get over it WA you godmoded in the other thread why else would you delete all yourY posts.

OOC: I delete my post because that thread does not exist. I never godmode in that thread.

You attacked me for no reason and then you stated on AIM that your leader could get off a ship that has over 58,000 space marine on it and someow get away to your home system

OOC: I said I going to take the bridge. I could of had.

Get real even I would even I would accept defeat at that point but no you tried to god mode so I said I ignored you and I have.

OOC: Ok, Mr. my leader can't be hurt by Force and magic can't be use on my ship. I never try to god mode. I ignored you in AIM because of three reasons.

Reason One: You said that magic can't be use on my ship. And you never told me why?

Reason Two: You said Raven can’t be hurt by the Force. And never told me that.

Reason Three: I told you chill but you didn't not chill.

Let this thread die.

OOC: You are the one that post it. Have the mods lock this dumb godmoding thread.

WA is the new Seph but can spell and make a longer post.

The only time I have ever god mod was in the battle with Coreworlds. I fix that post after everybody b****ed at.

Despite the fact that asteroid belts are extremely low density, something people tend to forget thanks to the media, and wouldn't make for much of an obstacle that's not what bugs me.

It's the sheer volume of space you're supposedly mining. I don't know how far out your asteroid belt is, but saying it has the orbital radius the same as Earth's, and is 500,000 km wide, and 500,000 km thick, that would mean the asteroid belt takes up 2.4x10^29 cubic meters. That leaves 1.4x10^32 cubic meters of empty space you have to mine.

Now lets say you want a mine density of 1 mine per hundred cubic meters. That would mean you need 1.4x10^30 mines. That's 1.4 million trillion trillion mines.
Now if each mine has a mass of 500 kg, then you would need 7x10^32 kg of mass. Which is 351.8 times the mass of the Sun.

So in conclusion. You're mine field gets a big fat zero on the possibility scale. Unless of course you want your mine field to be so sparse that it poses absolutely no threat to any invaders.


I redid the math for 1 mine per 1000 cubic kilometers(a 10x10x10 km cube), or 1 trillion cubic meters. This would require 1.4x10^20 mines, which is 140 million trillion mines. At 500 kg per mine it would mass 7x10^22 kg, or 96% the mass of the Moon. This more plausible but would mean that the invading fleet would take much less damage as they would encounter around 500-1500 mines on any given approach vector depending on it's size and dispersion. Also, 1000 cubic kilometers is A LOT of space. Any mine would be lucky to sense a ship.

I redid the math for 1 mine per 1000 cubic kilometers(a 10x10x10 km cube), or 1 trillion cubic meters. This would require 1.4x10^20 mines, which is 140 million trillion mines. At 500 kg per mine it would mass 7x10^22 kg, or 96% the mass of the Moon. This more plausible but would mean that the invading fleet would take much less damage as they would encounter around 500-1500 mines on any given approach vector depending on it's size and dispersion. Also, 1000 cubic kilometers is A LOT of space. Any mine would be lucky to sense a ship.

Damn, my head would be hurting after all that.

I just got a idea. Something like Corpsac uses in his system.

Put FTLi units in the belt and have them ran by comupters. How does that sound?

It would lock them out and put them on the outside of the system.

Plus, put senor arrays outside the system ever .5 lightyear in North & North/East & North/West & East & South & South/East & South/West & West. Have them for 100 lightyears around Wolf XXX. They find cloaked & uncloaked ships. And have them ran by comupter, too.

Damn, my head would be hurting after all that.

I just got a idea. Something like Corpsac uses in his system.

Put FTLi units in the belt and have them ran by comupters. How does that sound?

It would lock them out and put them on the outside of the system.

Plus, put senor arrays outside the system ever .5 lightyear in North & North/East & North/West & East & South & South/East & South/West & West. Have them for 100 lightyears around Wolf XXX. They find cloaked & uncloaked ships. And have them ran by comupter, too.

Depends on how large the FTLi field produced by each unit is. Seems reasonable enough, though you wouldn't get complete coverage of the sphere of space at the radius of the belt.

As for the sensor network, a .5 LY sphere as a volume of 4.3x10^47 cubic meters. Saying that the sensor grid starts 100 AU out from the star, the 100 LY radius grid will have an volume of 3.57x10^72 cubic meters. At the given density you would require 8.3x10^24 sensors. At 500 kg a piece that's 4.15x10^27 kg, or 2.2 times the mass of Jupiter. That's not possible or a good idea even if it was. It would be way more expensive, slow and maintanence heavy to build that many sensor emplacements, when you could just build 1 with a range of 100 LY.

Depends on how large the FTLi field produced by each unit is. Seems reasonable enough, though you wouldn't get complete coverage of the sphere of space at the radius of the belt.

1,000 FTLi units in asteroids on each side of the Belt.


As for the sensor network, a .5 LY sphere as a volume of 4.3x10^47 cubic meters. Saying that the sensor grid starts 100 AU out from the star, the 100 LY radius grid will have an volume of 3.57x10^72 cubic meters. At the given density you would require 8.3x10^24 sensors. At 500 kg a piece that's 4.15x10^27 kg, or 2.2 times the mass of Jupiter. That's not possible or a good idea even if it was. It would be way more expensive, slow and maintanence heavy to build that many sensor emplacements, when you could just build 1 with a range of 100 LY.

How about a five sensor arrays in ever 1 LY and 20 LYs around the system? How does that sound?

Pitty wolf dont understand that my Real Barriers are not active all the time just during war times and other important times and that they cover the entire home system so its impossible to enter anywhere in the system. where as if you make a FTLi field just around the edge of your system, it can be bypassed with most forms of FTL.

Pitty wolf don't understand that my Real Barriers are not active all the time just during war times and other important times and that they cover the entire home system so its impossible to enter anywhere in the system.

Well good for you.

Where as if you make a FTLi field just around the edge of your system, it can be bypassed with most forms of FTL.

I'm not going to get into it with you over this.

1,000 FTLi units in asteroids on each side of the Belt.




How about a five sensor arrays in ever 1 LY and 20 LYs around the system? How does that sound?

What's an FTLi unit? Is it the projection device or a unit of measurement?


I'm not sure what you mean with your second question. Could you clarify?

Pitty wolf dont understand that my Real Barriers are not active all the time just during war times and other important times and that they cover the entire home system so its impossible to enter anywhere in the system. where as if you make a FTLi field just around the edge of your system, it can be bypassed with most forms of FTL.

What's the range of your "Real Barrier"? And for that matter, what is it?

What's the range of your "Real Barrier"? And for that matter, what is it?

Here is link to his website (http://www.freewebs.com/nscorpsac/index.htm)

OCC: Why is Wolf America posting in this thread anyways when CorpSac is ignoring you? Are you stupid?

OCC: Why is Wolf America posting in this thread anyways when CorpSac is ignoring you? Are you stupid?
me think he is he should know i cant see his posts anyway.


What's the range of your "Real Barrier"? And for that matter, what is it?

about 5Km above and below the planets and about 4Km from the 8th planet in the system, all the real barrier does is prevent anything thats not done by mother nature happening, since all things have a quntom sig its easy to pic out (natral is different to man made a hell of alot) this goes to magic to if mother nature dont cast it its a tamper from man and the Real barrior prevents it. (its annoying for me since it also mean that my FTL dont work). befor u cry godmod there people who have FTLi fields a 100ly's from there systems and so forth.

me think he is he should know i cant see his posts anyway.



about 5Km above and below the planets and about 4Km from the 8th planet in the system, all the real barrier does is prevent anything thats not done by mother nature happening, since all things have a quntom sig its easy to pic out (natral is different to man made a hell of alot) this goes to magic to if mother nature dont cast it its a tamper from man and the Real barrior prevents it. (its annoying for me since it also mean that my FTL dont work). befor u cry godmod there people who have FTLi fields a 100ly's from there systems and so forth.


So it's within the atmosphere then, got it. Real effective device you've got there, considering it stops, weapons, bombs, man made alloys form working, engines, armour, airplanes... well you get it. Annoying to you? Try crippling :rolleyes:

OCC: Why is Wolf America posting in this thread anyways when CorpSac is ignoring you? Are you stupid?

He and I have a nice convo going about space mines and sensor grids and such. Seems like a better subject than whining about CorpSac.

So it's within the atmosphere then, got it. Real effective device you've got there, considering it stops, weapons, bombs, man made alloys form working, engines, armour, airplanes... well you get it. Annoying to you? Try crippling :rolleyes:
no you idiot, all things like novas, black holes etc are natraul things (thats what i ment by mother nature think outsidethe box for once its not hard), you dont understand much do you. when i sead man made thing i ment man made black holes, Tears in space bloody hell where you from, oh and wolf stop flaiming in my bloody storefront or atlest tell your stupid mate to stop it, thats the final warning.

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