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CNN JERUSALEM: In a move that was predicted by CNN analysts, President Kenny Williams of IDF has ordered that tha Suez Canal be closed to all RWC shipping. The move was made due to the current war and the fact that it was feared RWC members would strike Israel for being a NATO member. When asked about the effects on RWC nations, Kenny Williams said, "I apologize for any harm this will cause them, but they attacked NATO and I can't be responsible for them not realizing the consequences of their actions."

OOC: Sorry for the poor post, but I have to go soon.

As founding member of the WTO, I formally denounce this action.
OOC: I could really care less, but this is my job.

As founding member of the WTO, I formally denounce this action.
OOC: I could really care less, but this is my job.
OOC: Since you are an NWO member you shouldn't condemn this action as I'm doing this to help your alliance and leader.

The Empire wishes to point out the fact that any ship carrying the Dumpsterdanian flag should be granted passage as any other neutral vessle.

The Empire is no longer a part of the RWC and wishes to be treated that way by NATO and NWO members.

Alfarius Damocales,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Defence.

OOC:Yes... but he is the leader of the WTO... which supports free trade and etc. etc. So it is his JOB to condem you.

Yea, I really didn't want to condemn this, but I had to. And, I am going to change that ruling after the vote we are currently going through.

The Empire wishes to point out the fact that any ship carrying the Dumpsterdanian flag should be granted passage as any other neutral vessle.

The Empire is no longer a part of the RWC and wishes to be treated that way by NATO and NWO members.

Alfarius Damocales,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Defence.
To Dumpsterdam, Aust, Macabees, and all others in a state of war against NATO or the NWO

While we recognized you are no longer RWC members, the ban of travel will be extended to you during this time of war. We see that you are still too close to the RWC and are actually helping them in many cases or trying to undermine NATO.

To Dumpsterdam, Aust, Macabees, and all others in a state of war against NATO or the NWO

While we recognized you are no longer RWC members, the ban of travel will be extended to you during this time of war. We see that you are still too close to the RWC and are actually helping them in many cases or trying to undermine NATO.

You are invited to commit proof of this, we still have allies within the RWC that is correct but we are no longer giving any aid in fights against NATO or any of their lap-dogs.

We have enough of you warmongers currently in our waters.

Alfarius Damocales,
Imperial Councillor,
Minister of Defence.

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OOC: I am suprised you didn't do this earlier or more of this hasn't happened... but anyway... btw doesn't United Elias own the Suez in E II... which I believe is the general world format we are playing on atm?

IC:

We are saddened that such action takes place and would remind NATO that it was a rogue submarine that attacked their founder AMF not a RWC attack, nor was it ordered by the Macabean Government.

Thus we can point out as in law the submarine was not part of the Macabean navy at the time after going rogue, thus detaching itself and becoming traitorous. Thus it was not an attack upon yourselves by a RWC nation at the time.

Thus your corresponding assault on the nations involved (and many others who dared to support the violated nations) including many RWC was in breech of international law (OOC: like it matters), and obviously just a flimsy excuse to go into a pre-determined war with the RWC.

Regards,

The Shadows,

Shah Khosru III sees this as a bit of a suprise. Has the government of IDF decided to close the canal to all RWC members or just those involved in hostilities? The Parthian government is worried about the continuation of oil shipments through the canal and the potential effect upon the economy of the Shahdom.

Will this affect ships traveling thru the canal not alligned to RWC?

OOC: yes UE owns the suez canal and if you start bitching about how you dont recognise land borders bla bla bla then you shoudl stop playing. These rps are firmly in earth 1. We are very leniet in allowing you to rp as isreal (when it belongs to western asia). Anyway we have memebr of the RWC who are in the NWO and METUS so you should think about what you are doing. IC post coming after your explanation as ot how you can do this

[tag] And the canal stays open....for now.

OOC: I've always played as 1967 border Israel complete with the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, and Sinai Penninsula and with it the Suez Canal. UE isn't involved in this RP anyways. I've RPed these same lands since I've existed and am more active in RP than UE anyways.

If you don't want to recognize my claims I don't recognize yours, simple as that. Most RWC members are Earth II IIRC so if you want to play by Earth I as those whining are, then you should ignore the claims of your allies. The Canal is closed to RWC members, if you want oil, find another way. I run the canal and paid the costs when I dredged the thing to allow larger ships to access it. I also recall no RWC members denied my claim when I made extra efforts to allow you to use it when Chellis closed Gibraltar in November.

And HH, I don't care about RWC members in other organizations. I'm not a part of them, only NATO.

OOC: I am suprised you didn't do this earlier or more of this hasn't happened... but anyway... btw doesn't United Elias own the Suez in E II... which I believe is the general world format we are playing on atm?[OOC: I ignore any of the non NS Earths, so I disagree with the notion that Earth II or any of the other Earths are "the official" format we're playing on.]

Chellis agree's with IDF's actions, and will declare war on anyone who violates his block.

OOC: Did the RWC actually attack Nato?

Official Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

"As previously stated in the affair concerning the Chellian closing of the Gibraltar Strait, the Imperium fully recognizes the right of IDF to close the Suez, as it is recognized as the sovereign territory of Israel.

Tyrandis announces full diplomatic and military support to the IDF government in this matter. The rights of sovereignity take precedence over the objections of all those affected."

OOC: Did the RWC actually attack Nato?
OOC: Mac attacked AMF on two separate occasions a month apart and then claimed it was with a rogue submarine. It was an intentional act since Mac and the RWC mobilized to coincide with it and were planning a strike. Mac didn't even reveal the prescence of his "rogue" submarine until after it was killed to make sure it did it's damage.

OOC: Mac attacked AMF on two separate occasions a month apart and then claimed it was with a rogue submarine. It was an intentional act since Mac and the RWC mobilized to coincide with it and were planning a strike. Mac didn't even reveal the prescence of his "rogue" submarine until after it was killed to make sure it did it's damage.

Yeah, I know about that...I just thought maybe the RWC actually attacked nato...

OOC: Mac attacked AMF on two separate occasions a month apart and then claimed it was with a rogue submarine. It was an intentional act since Mac and the RWC mobilized to coincide with it and were planning a strike. Mac didn't even reveal the prescence of his "rogue" submarine until after it was killed to make sure it did it's damage.


OOC: We were neutral during that conflict and we are a RWC member, so it cannot be an offical RWC war, because we would of been involved.

OOC2: Keep in mind that my response will be strictly Earth V, which you also have control of the canal on.

IC:

"The Great Sixth Reich recognizes IDF's right to the Suez Canal, but we are curious of why we are not allowed through just because we are a Right Wing Collective nation. The Great Sixth Reich is a long time customer of IDF Shipyards, a member of the ANP with IDF, and The Great Sixth Reich grants IDF free access to the normally tolled Danish Straits (look here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7593014&postcount=786)). We also were not involved in ANY wars with NATO, and we actually just applied to join NATO."
-Adolf Gorreing, Chief Officer of Foreign Affairs.

IC:

"The Great Sixth Reich recognizes IDF's right to the Suez Canal, but we are curious of why we are not allowed through just because we are a Right Wing Collective nation. The Great Sixth Reich is a long time customer of IDF Shipyards, a member of the ANP with IDF, and The Great Sixth Reich grants IDF free access to the normally tolled Danish Straits (look here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7593014&postcount=786)). We also were not involved in ANY wars with NATO, and we actually just applied to join NATO."
-Adolf Gorreing, Chief Officer of Foreign Affairs.

Parthia too recognizes IDF's right to close the canal as part of our joint control agreement. However, if IDF is closing the canal to Parthian shipping, we may have some slight issues mostly involving oil traffic and the effect of that on our economy. The Parthian government would like to remind IDF that Parthia is not involved in any hostilities nor intends to get involved in the current NATO conflict.

-Foreign Minister Piruz Savhadkohi

"The RWC did not attack AMF as a whole. Rogue members did so and they did not represent us in doing so. The RWC alliance leader has actually forbidden us from aiding Mac in this matter." -Emperor Kersk-

OOC: I'll make a special exception to Parthia, but he may not ship war material to RWC members via the canal. Parthia has helped IDF in the past and earned this exception. As for Great Sixth Reich, NATO rejected your application based on the fact you were planning on spying against us. ITD, you may not have attacked us, but RWC is planning on attacking in Europe and we can't allow any equipment to travel through the canal that can help the war effort.

OOC: yes UE owns the suez canal and if you start bitching about how you dont recognise land borders bla bla bla then you shoudl stop playing. These rps are firmly in earth 1. We are very leniet in allowing you to rp as isreal (when it belongs to western asia). Anyway we have memebr of the RWC who are in the NWO and METUS so you should think about what you are doing. IC post coming after your explanation as ot how you can do this
I've ignored Western Asia's claims, basically, any claim over 3 RL countries is Pointless.

OOC:As for Great Sixth Reich, NATO rejected your application based on the fact you were planning on spying against us.

OOC:

1. NATO:

That's not offical information, or that's just false. Look in the NATO Recruitment Thread. The last post that addressed me was by Jonothana on December 12th who said "TG6R: Your application is being discussed."

And I can say that it would be extremely ignorant for anybody to think that I could spy for RWC, as I've made a grand total of 3 IC posts in over five months on the RWC Forums (Want to know what they were?: One was about the Doomingsland war, One was me stateing I was joining NATO in a news thread, and the last was a post saying that I have no intentions of spying and that I was just going to give them a better impression of RWC), which are not even online anymore, and since I do not have any Instant Messenger software, I cannot talk to them real-time. The only way would be telegrams, but I've only sent one telegram to another RWC member in my entire history, and that was just about his land on Earth V. If there is a way of proven this, I will prove it.

It really angers me that you make up some thing about "spying" and call it a "fact". A fact is a proven piece of information. It would be impossible to prove that I'm a spy, because I'm not a spy (I AM NOT A SPY!).

I am really are not that active in the RWC.

2. ANP

We are allies. Yes, we are allies. Look at the ANP member list. The Great Sixth Reich would protect IDF if it ever came under attack. Remember our stance in the Drum Gods war?

IC:

"Your heavy discounted prices at our commerical airports and your special Danish straits rights are on the verge of being changed...

If you give us freedom to use the Suez Canal, we'll even let you inspect our ships. We are allies. We see no reason why you would not allow our ships to use your nation's canal."

OOC: I'm not giving you access Great Sixth Reich.

OOC: I'll make a special exception to Parthia, but he may not ship war material to RWC members via the canal. Parthia has helped IDF in the past and earned this exception. As for Great Sixth Reich, NATO rejected your application based on the fact you were planning on spying against us. ITD, you may not have attacked us, but RWC is planning on attacking in Europe and we can't allow any equipment to travel through the canal that can help the war effort.

OOC: Thank you. I will not ship any war material through the canal as you requested.

(Tag)

OOC: I'm not giving you access Great Sixth Reich.

OOC:

Fine. I'll consider that backstabbing of an ally (Remember: ANP. Remember: Drum Gods.).

Also remember that ONLY discounts as an ally are being taken away, except the Danish Straits. So don't even try saying your taking away my "discounts", because after purchasing over 80% of my navy at your shipyards and continueing to buy more, I never got any discount.

OOC2: Remember: Earth V Response ONLY:

IC:

Press Release:

Reich News Netowork (RNN)-BERLIN: IDF has lost today the many privileges it enjoyed in The Great Sixth Reich for a complete backstabbing it committed yesterday: Closing the entire Suez Canal for civilian shipping from The Great Sixth Reich, apparently for dislike to a collective it might still belong to*. Why they have dislike for the collective is, as President Kenny Williams said, "they attacked NATO", which is a completly misleading statement, as it is known throughout the world that just a few rogue nations that belonged to RWC attacked NATO members, and the RWC actually forbid any more RWC nations from getting involved. The Great Sixth Reich even made an extremely kind proposel to allow the invidual inspect of every ship to insure that war materials are not transport to RWC members, but IDF refused to budge. The following is a complete list of updates:

The Danish Straits will always be at the same condition to IDF as the Suez Canal is The Great Sixth Reich. Danish Straits are closed to IDF as of now. Adolf Gorreing, Chief Officer of Foreign Affairs, said on the matter, "I apologize for any harm this will cause them, but they backstabbed The Great Sixth Reich and I can't be responsible for them not realizing the consequences of their actions."
Elimination of IDF's current "Preferred" status for allowing prefered
Elimination of any discounts at ALL airports in The Great Sixth Reich.
Elimination of any discounts at ALL seaports in The Great Sixth Reich.
Elimination of any discounts at The Cryonics Storefront in The Great Sixth Reich.
Elimination of any discounts from any industry in The Great Sixth Reich.
Elimination of discounts of Hienkelsteiner Beer to IDF.

IDF reportedly gained so many discounts and special privileges from IDF's status of an ally on The Great Sixth Reich Foreign Office's list for the longest time of any ally, over five months**, second only to Sharina.

However, Adolf Gorreing, Chief Officer of Foreign Affairs, also decided to grant IDF an extremely lengthy time to change their mind and return to ally status: Six Years.

OOC:

*I have serious doubts that RWC exists anymore, as their forums shut down a while ago and nobody contacted me after that.

**That's completly true, you helped my nation develop, and we wanted to return the favor.

OOC:

*I have serious doubts that RWC exists anymore, as their forums shut down a while ago and nobody contacted me after that.

**That's completly true, you helped my nation develop, and we wanted to return the favor.

OCC: They Moved there Forum, That’s why there Old Forum was shit down. Looks like you have been kept in the loop rather well there. Anyways, even if it was opened to you why would you need to move Thought there? I see no reason why you would need to, unless you plan on doing other things in there?

What exactly is going on with the RWC, who are they, and why does everyone hate them?

I need to enter the loop.

What exactly is going on with the RWC, who are they, and why does everyone hate them?

I need to enter the loop.

OCC: The Macabees Attacked AMF AMF and allies Attacked The Macabees, RWC went Insane and NWO and RBA became there Enemies as well, now RWC is doing a military buildup in Europe to go to war with NWO and RBA, which at this rate have no Chance in winning. Basically the World Hates RWC because they no longer care for World Stability and only interested in Conquest. That’s the very watered down version.

OOC: It's really unfair that I'm having sancations against me when I do not even know where this people who I'm supposed to be "spying for", as NATO says, have their frigin' forum! So I have no clue what is going on, and people still hate me.

OOC: It's really unfair that I'm having sancations against me when I do not even know where this people who I'm supposed to be "spying for", as NATO says, have their frigin' forum! So I have no clue what is going on, and people still hate me.

Yeah, same here.

Why don't you just put sanctions on the troublemakers, instead of the whole friggin' collective. It's not fair to those RWC nations who do not seek to instigate conflicts with others.

Yeah, same here.

Why don't you just put sanctions on the troublemakers, instead of the whole friggin' collective. It's not fair to those RWC nations who do not seek to instigate conflicts with others.

OCC: I guess if you don't like it there’s one Choice on the Matter, Leave RWC, Don't come blaming us, Blame you’re Fellow Alliance Members who created the Situation in the first Place.

OCC: I guess if you don't like it there’s one Choice on the Matter, Leave RWC, Don't come blaming us, Blame you’re Fellow Alliance Members who created the Situation in the first Place.

I've got a better idea. I'd rather see all the troublemakers removed from the Collective. They're giving us all a bad name. I already put the olive branch of peace towards NATO to attempt to ebb the flow of hate between us, but nobody seems to care. It's ridiculous.

Prime Minister Timothy Ell

I've got a better idea. I'd rather see all the troublemakers removed from the Collective. They're giving us all a bad name. I already put the olive branch of peace towards NATO to attempt to ebb the flow of hate between us, but nobody seems to care. It's ridiculous.

Prime Minister Timothy Ell

OCC: Its the leaders of RWC that started this War, and there close Allies in RWC itself, I personally highly doubt that RWC as a whole would kick out the Trouble makers because they go all the way to the Top, As we see with the Mobilization in Europe. The point is, I personally doubt RWC will change with its Present Leadership.

It is unlikely for members of NATO to make a separate peace with members of an organization, whose members are engaged in combat in support of a cowardly attack on our founder. Nevermind the members are "ex-members". We shall see what happens after hostilities are completed.

In short - we note the branch, we question the motives.

It is unlikely for members of NATO to make a separate peace with members of an organization, whose members are engaged in combat in support of a cowardly attack on our founder. Nevermind the members are "ex-members". We shall see what happens after hostilities are completed.

In short - we note the branch, we question the motives.

I and many Pacitalians alike are against conflict between RWC members and NATO members. I am a senior member of the RWC, Dr_Twist, I don't think you can count me in that group.

Prime Minister Timothy Ell

OOC: It's really unfair that I'm having sancations against me when I do not even know where this people who I'm supposed to be "spying for", as NATO says, have their frigin' forum! So I have no clue what is going on, and people still hate me.

OOC: Welcome to the RWC, reviled the world over.

OOC: Welcome to the RWC, reviled the world over.

OOC: Um, yeah. ;) WOO GO RWC!!111

lol

Ah, you poor soul. May your unfounded, uneducated ignorance go down in history for its infamous idiocy.

Prime Minister Timothy Ell

OOC: Reason #239 the olive branch is being questioned. That, and treating an OOC comment as an IC comment makes you look... how do I put this...

:confused: <-- like that.

OOC: Reason #239 the olive branch is being questioned. That, and treating an OOC comment as an IC comment makes you look... how do I put this...

:confused: <-- like that.

OOC: Oh, dude, sorry. I got sidetracked by a billion MSN convos... hold on, I'll change that to OOC. ;)

And could you possibly list the other 238 reasons? :p

Trust me, my peace offer is genuine. I don't make claims unless I actually want to back them up.

I've got a better idea. I'd rather see all the troublemakers removed from the Collective. They're giving us all a bad name. I already put the olive branch of peace towards NATO to attempt to ebb the flow of hate between us, but nobody seems to care. It's ridiculous.

Prime Minister Timothy Ell

OCC: I used to attempt to Mediate Between the Alliances Before this, and Nothing Every Happened, RWC would never turn up and even if they didn't they wouldn't agree to anything. The Point is it has been tried again and again, but RWC just isn't interested in Peace with NATO, and is no looking at war with NWO and the RBA. All i can say is, if you come for us, I will leave a massive boot print in RWC's ass.

OOC: Oh, dude, sorry. I got sidetracked by a billion MSN convos... hold on, I'll change that to OOC. ;)

And could you possibly list the other 238 reasons? :p

Trust me, my peace offer is genuine. I don't make claims unless I actually want to back them up.
If you completely cut off all relations with the RWC, I will end my sanctions against you.

The government is contemplating resigning from the RWC, but we don't intend to cut off all relations with RWC members. Especially those who are very strong allies. The Great Sixth Reich is an example of this.Timothy Ell
Prime Minister of Pacitalia

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister of Pacitalia
It should be noted that my offer applies to GSR also.
But you must cut all ties.

OCC: I used to attempt to Mediate Between the Alliances Before this, and Nothing Every Happened, RWC would never turn up and even if they didn't they wouldn't agree to anything. The Point is it has been tried again and again, but RWC just isn't interested in Peace with NATO, and is no looking at war with NWO and the RBA. All i can say is, if you come for us, I will leave a massive boot print in RWC's ass.

OoC: Excuse me Twist? You talking about the peace-talks where you pulled the plug because it took us two days to form up our 3 delegates?

I think you do, so you didn't do squat, except piss us off.

but RWC is planning on attacking in Europe and we can't allow any equipment to travel through the canal that can help the war effort.

If you notice, that is secret IC. So, there's no way you would be able to know about it.

Good job.

OCC: I used to attempt to Mediate Between the Alliances Before this, and Nothing Every Happened, RWC would never turn up and even if they didn't they wouldn't agree to anything. The Point is it has been tried again and again, but RWC just isn't interested in Peace with NATO, and is no looking at war with NWO and the RBA. All i can say is, if you come for us, I will leave a massive boot print in RWC's ass.

one word: liar
Who ended the Wolfish Blockade? I did because i thought it was important to keep our allied to eachother(stupid of me), you preferred to send troops in. Did you ever PM, TG or contact me after this situation? No you didnt, my MSN adress was available to you on our forums and you didnt do a thing.

I offered to start peacenegotiations with NATO in TIORs ooc thread, did they accept it? No, because they like the rivalry between us, they dont want peace.
They rely on their spy in our forum and think they can beat us with OOC info. They think i'm stupid(think again). AMf refuses to talk about an agreement concerning nations like Dumpsterdam because he likes to make war.

Next time, get your facts straight.

IDF, you're quick to point the finger at spies but your precious NATO had a spy in our forums.

It should be noted that my offer applies to GSR also.
But you must cut all ties.

OOC: No problem. We hardly knew RWC existed anymore anyway as they never sent us a link to the new forums, which would have been weeks ago.

I will formerly leave the RWC if this blockades are dropped, like IDF's. We have no connection to these attacking nations, so we would never be shipping materials to them anyway.

What should I make? A "resigning" thread?

OOC: It is true that we are at war with many RWC nations and the only one of them to have left is Dumpsterdam. Zarbia and the rest are RWC members so that alone is reason to close the canal for you.

for you.

OOC: Who's "you"? There's many people who have posted lately.

Please clear this up before you leave on vacation: If I leave RWC, will you drop the blockade? Remember that I have no connection to these RWC nations at war.

It was for Parthia. If you leave the RWC you will be allowed to use it. But, that only applies for you and Parthia. All other RWC nations won't be allowed to use it until the end of hostilities.

Of course we won't let you send arms or war material through the canal at this time, but your merchant ships will be free to use it.

It was for Parthia. If you leave the RWC you will be allowed to use it. But, that only applies for you and Parthia. All other RWC nations won't be allowed to use it until the end of hostilities.

Of course we won't let you send arms or war material through the canal at this time, but your merchant ships will be free to use it.

Now I understand.

I still need a little more time to think this over, and as it says you'll be on vacation soon, I'll assume that the blockade will be dropped after I post my withdraw from RWC.

We'll mainly be sending oil tankers through the canal, as we control 25% of the world's oil on Earth V (We have the Arctic Ocean). We'll reframe from sending any war materials through.

IDF has been returned to Preferred Ally status by our Foreign Affairs Office.

We ask that Nikolaos the Great be barred from the Suez canal as well.

We support IDF's closing of the Suez Canal to RWC members. We will support your nation fully if any hostilities begin.

Premier Daniel Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL

Pacitalia has resigned from the RWC.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382101

We ask that Nikolaos the Great be barred from the Suez canal as well.
If IDF dares to block access to the canal to us it will be meet with military force. We are no longer apart of the RWC.
-Emperor Nikolaos

OOC:

1) IDF, you said you were closing the Suez because the RWC is "planning for a strike in Europe" but there is no way for you to know this because those were SECRET IC posts.

2) Wow, two nations leave the RWC because they get threatened with no passage through a canal. Good riddance.

OOC:

1) IDF, you said you were closing the Suez because the RWC is "planning for a strike in Europe" but there is no way for you to know this because those were SECRET IC posts.

2) Wow, two nations leave the RWC because they get threatened with no passage through a canal. Good riddance.
OOC: For 2) I dont know if you where talking about me but when I withdrew from the RWC I didn't know about this.

2) Wow, two nations leave the RWC because they get threatened with no passage through a canal. Good riddance.

Maybe if you actually READ my topic, instead of not caring and jumping to conclusions, you'll see that's not WHY Pacitalia left. We left because idiots are giving the alliance a bad name, and we want no part in it anymore.Timothy Ell
Prime Minister of Pacitalia

We left: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7725538#post7725538

So we get to access the canal?

OOC: For 2) I dont know if you where talking about me but when I withdrew from the RWC I didn't know about this.

I'm not talking about you. Why did you leave though?

I'm not talking about you. Why did you leave though?
OOC: Because the RWC was giving a bad name to my nation because of that AMF and The Mecabees conflict and stuff where heating up so I decided to leave until everything can cool down.

OOC: Because the RWC was giving a bad name to my nation because of that AMF and The Mecabees conflict and stuff where heating up so I decided to leave until everything can cool down.

OOC: I'm happy we have the same views... Did you see the new Converative Collective? I already joined it and I think you should too.

OOC: Just a note... Zarbia, I thought you said you had upcoming finals.

OOC: Just a note... Zarbia, I thought you said you had upcoming finals.

I did.

OOC:

1) IDF, you said you were closing the Suez because the RWC is "planning for a strike in Europe" but there is no way for you to know this because those were SECRET IC posts.

2) Wow, two nations leave the RWC because they get threatened with no passage through a canal. Good riddance.
OOC: Read the damn posts preceding this Zarbia. My war with you and other RWC nations is reason enough to block access.

We left: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7725538#post7725538

So we get to access the canal?
IC: Yes and so does Pacitalia. NtG gets access too.

OOC: I'm glad that some nations care more about preserving a good name and sticking to an idealogy instead of picking fights with alliances that can whip them.

Now we know who the loyal ones are.

OoC: Nevermind, this isn't important anymore, United Elias owns the channel anyway and his post indicated the channel would stay open.

One obstacle removed, three to go.

Pacitalia has resigned from the RWC.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382101Whittier welcomes this move by Pacitalia.
However, as stipulated in another thread, the only way we can lift sanctions against your nation or support the NS community lifting its sanctions, is if it you also cut ALL ties with RWC member nations.
In your message of withdrawal from the RWC, you stated that you are leaving the RWC because of you are concerned about the effects sanctions are having on your people. However, in the same message your government stated that your nation will continue to have ties with RWC member nations. Whittier law does not permit us to lift sanctions against your nation at this time, sanctions cannot be lifted until all ties with RWC member nations are cut.
As such, we are also asking our allies to keep their sanctions in place.
Note that this applies to Great Sixth Reich also.
We cannot accept half measures.

If IDF dares to block access to the canal to us it will be meet with military force. We are no longer apart of the RWC.
-Emperor Nikolaos
an attack on IDF is an attack on Rudolfensia.
The suez is not international waters and as such IDF has every right to close it.

OoC: Nevermind, this isn't important anymore, United Elias owns the channel anyway and his post indicated the channel would stay open.

One obstacle removed, three to go.
OOC: I don't recognize UE owning the Suez. Most people are recognzing IDF as the owner.

We have no complains being on Earth I and being Earth I Israel. The Suez Canal is open on Earth I!

We have no complains being on Earth I and being Earth I Israel. The Suez Canal is open on Earth I!

Good to hear that, I think we can safely assume IDF is spewing bullshit and nobody bothered to check the RL claim threads.

OOC: I don't recognize UE owning the Suez. Most people are recognzing IDF as the owner.

But you do recognize Chellis's claim of Gibraltar?

United Arab Emirates and Qatar hearby cut off all oil and gas shipments to any RWC member until such times that all hostilities are broght to a negotiated end. (Earth V)

United Arab Emirates and Qatar hearby cut off all oil and gas shipments to any RWC member until such times that all hostilities are broght to a negotiated end. (Earth V)

Doesn't matter, I own more oil than you do on Earth V (I got the Arctic Ocean, Norway, Ghana, and East Timor) and the only nation embargoed is New Zambuda.

Good to hear that, I think we can safely assume IDF is spewing bullshit and nobody bothered to check the RL claim threads.



But you do recognize Chellis's claim of Gibraltar?
Yes. All these different earths be damned.

Yes. All these different earths be damned.


Uhm, there all on the same earth, Western Asia has the claim for Israel btw so I don't see IDF listed here anywhere.

Good to hear that, I think we can safely assume IDF is spewing bullshit and nobody bothered to check the RL claim threads.



But you do recognize Chellis's claim of Gibraltar?

I roleplay for all intents and purposes as IDF owning the Suez, because WA never joins in these RP's.

I roleplay for all intents and purposes as IDF owning the Suez, because WA never joins in these RP's.

I usually just recognize the most active RPer with owning the land they claim.

I usually just recognize the most active RPer with owning the land they claim.

OOC: I guess this one concerns me...

If you're in an RP with a player such as IDF (who has made a previous agreement with me to not RP in the same threads) then you accept his claims as listed (when they are in such a conflict). Previously, the Suez was not a "shared" claim in this manner (where the other nation does not or cannot exist when and where the other does)...so it's really up to you to deal with it.


As for the player who stated (effectively) "I ignore anyone with claims to more than 3 RL nations," I have this to say: the British empire and almost every other European nation did more than that during the imperial age (excepting Germany, which was slow to start and had only limited interests). In terms of the territory they controlled vs. the territory that is or can be made into other nations, they would've ALL violated your opinion. The "British Mandate of Palestine" included Jordan, Israel (and the disputed territories of Israel), and parts of modern Lebanon...it's now (in RL) just about 3-4 nations (depending on how you count it). The overall British holdings in the ME (immediately after WWI, before they gave the French half of it) included Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and all of those tiny arab powers as well. This would indicate that a claim over several real national territories is perfectly reasonable.

Furthermore, such territories could, theoretically, be reunited quite simply--at the end of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the main reason that Israel didn't go on to conquer much of Egypt, all of Jordan, and Syria was because the USSR threatened to "interfere" because Israel (associated with the USA) had just beat down the Soviet client states in the ME.

Unhindered, Israel might've even gone into Saudi Arabia and might've chosen to deport the arab inhabitants therein rather than letting them sit in the 'lost' territory as they did in the West Bank (which was not annexed due to international pressure and population concerns).

Do not be so hasty as to discount supernations (those that incorporate what would normally be the territory of several states or nations). The USA is effectively one such nation and the EU seems on the brink of becoming another. The USSR was one but has since collapsed. To its own scale, the modern "Germany" was also one such supernation (made out of dozens of smaller german republics) and it might be argued that the issues with WWI and WWII result from the uncertain boundaries of the German supernation (Austria was basically meant to be a part of Germany, but its patchwork state (resulting from the Austro-Hungarian Empire) meant that minority groups, which did not fit the form of the ideal superstate, would be an issue.).

OOC: I guess this one concerns me...

If you're in an RP with a player such as IDF (who has made a previous agreement with me to not RP in the same threads) then you accept his claims as listed (when they are in such a conflict). Previously, the Suez was not a "shared" claim in this manner (where the other nation does not or cannot exist when and where the other does)...so it's really up to you to deal with it.


As for the player who stated (effectively) "I ignore anyone with claims to more than 3 RL nations," I have this to say: the British empire and almost every other European nation did more than that during the imperial age (excepting Germany, which was slow to start and had only limited interests). In terms of the territory they controlled vs. the territory that is or can be made into other nations, they would've ALL violated your opinion. The "British Mandate of Palestine" included Jordan, Israel (and the disputed territories of Israel), and parts of modern Lebanon...it's now (in RL) just about 3-4 nations (depending on how you count it). The overall British holdings in the ME (immediately after WWI, before they gave the French half of it) included Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and all of those tiny arab powers as well. This would indicate that a claim over several real national territories is perfectly reasonable.

Furthermore, such territories could, theoretically, be reunited quite simply--at the end of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the main reason that Israel didn't go on to conquer much of Egypt, all of Jordan, and Syria was because the USSR threatened to "interfere" because Israel (associated with the USA) had just beat down the Soviet client states in the ME.

Unhindered, Israel might've even gone into Saudi Arabia and might've chosen to deport the arab inhabitants therein rather than letting them sit in the 'lost' territory as they did in the West Bank (which was not annexed due to international pressure and population concerns).

Do not be so hasty as to discount supernations (those that incorporate what would normally be the territory of several states or nations). The USA is effectively one such nation and the EU seems on the brink of becoming another. The USSR was one but has since collapsed. To its own scale, the modern "Germany" was also one such supernation (made out of dozens of smaller german republics) and it might be argued that the issues with WWI and WWII result from the uncertain boundaries of the German supernation (Austria was basically meant to be a part of Germany, but its patchwork state (resulting from the Austro-Hungarian Empire) meant that minority groups, which did not fit the form of the ideal superstate, would be an issue.).
good post with good logic.

Realistically, it's simple.

If you're in an RP, you work out who has what and you go from there. Bringing in "claims" from any outside source is ridiculous - why involve someone who doesn't want to be there?

After four bad experiences with "claims thread" nonsense, I consider them nothing more then "guidelines", to be accepted or ignored as the RP dictates.

This does solve the whole "multi-earth" and "multiplanar" design questions, and avoids the "but I'm on Earth XXXVIII and you haven't blockaded that one, because QWERTYUIOP owns it there!" bickering bs. It requires a more fluid mind to incorporate, but the rewards are there.

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