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Press Release from the Department of Defense

"At this time, the Militant Imperium of Tyrandis confirms that TSTRATCOM has in its possession, a biological agent that will cause the hyperstimulation of melanin-producing glands, resulting in the skin of its victims to become pitch-black.

The weapon is in the form of a virus that infects melanin production centers, causing them to "go haywire" and begin producing the enzyme at an accelerated rate. Research on this agent was done at the Socotra Institute of Technology.

The only symptoms from this infection are: Darkened skin colour, mild fever, headache, and nausea. It is fatal in approximately 0.5% of cases.

Mode of transmission for this weapon has been marked classified.

Currently, the Imperium possesses roughly ten tons of the agent, stored in sterile facilities. Furthermore, roughly 2 tons of A00492D have been weaponized for use in SLBMs.

Further testing of this virus is continuing."

OOC: Basically, it's a psychological weapon for use against white supremacists.

Interesting, to say the least. Great idea- this will really get under Fabus's skin.

-Colin Graves

OOC: For sale?

Interesting, to say the least. Great idea- this will really get under Fabus's skin.

-Colin Graves

The Protectorate of Angelico lodges an official condemnation of such aggregious use of pun. Shame on you. Shame.

The Protectorate of Angelico lodges an official condemnation of such aggregious use of pun. Shame on you. Shame.

Whatever. We strive to be humorous.

USE IT ON FABUS!!! Glorius! You must! I'll pay you a billion dollars! That would be the single greatest thing ever!

o.o.c. I can see it now.

"Nato begin destruction of Fabus the insane.

Today NAto drooped a virus that made the racist turn black and shoot himself.

There are parades in the streets of every known country at the news of this."

Then again he'll ignore it cause he's an asshole.

Actually, I think that this virus has more viability than DA's RSBWs.

I would laugh my head off if this virus actually DID hit DA. They'd probably go freakin' psycho.

Actually, I think that this virus has more viability than DA's RSBWs.

I would laugh my head off if this virus actually DID hit DA. They'd probably go freakin' psycho.


Ooc-

I don't accept that skin color has anything to do with something a virus could affect. Skin color is determined by genetic coding that is determined by race. Each race has different genetic coding. I wouldn't ever accept an attack from something I consider "voodoo science" (Politicized science that all races are totally the same) Just recently, a medical company made a pill that for some reason, only works on black males, genetics are behind this reason.

There was the UN, the BBC, the Pentagon, all talking about how it is totally possible for a racially specific biological weapon to be coded against the target races unique genetic coding. Racial differences are real. Race is not just skin deep.

Thus as somebody who believes true science, I could no more accept a virus altering skin color through bogus levels of false crap, than I could accept somebody saying the Pope is a Protestant. Sking color is determined by genetics, which is determined by race. You cannot alter it without altering genetics, and even then, a white with black skin would still be genetically a caucasoid.

AHEM.

If you're going to roleplay it, roleplay it. However, the remarks that are being made OOCly would constitute flamebaiting, so knock it off.

Thanks.

To clarify -- I see nothing wrong with roleplaying the concept of this virus -- but the OOC remarks are out of line.

Ooc-

I don't accept that skin color has anything to do with something a virus could affect. Skin color is determined by genetic coding that is determined by race. Each race has different genetic coding. I wouldn't ever accept an attack from something I consider "voodoo science" (Politicized science that all races are totally the same) Just recently, a medical company made a pill that for some reason, only works on black males, genetics are behind this reason.

There was the UN, the BBC, the Pentagon, all talking about how it is totally possible for a racially specific biological weapon to be coded against the target races unique genetic coding. Racial differences are real. Race is not just skin deep.

Thus as somebody who believes true science, I could no more accept a virus altering skin color through bogus levels of false crap, than I could accept somebody saying the Pope is a Protestant. Sking color is determined by genetics, which is determined by race. You cannot alter it without altering genetics, and even then, a white with black skin would still be genetically a caucasoid.

OOC: You are partially correct.

I'm taking AP Biology at this time, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Levels of melanin influence the color of a person's skin, the more you have, the darker you are.

The various races DO have differences in their genetics, but that simply determines their natural rate of melanin production. My virus kinda juices it up a bit, causes the victims to have dark skin.

Again, this virus does not alter genetics. It simply alters physical appearance.

EDIT: Also, this weapon will be made for sale later.

OOC: Have to agree with Tyrandis, it is valid as increasing melanin production would darken the skin; its a biological fact

OOC: You are partially correct.

I'm taking AP Biology at this time, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Levels of melanin influence the color of a person's skin, the more you have, the darker you are.

The various races DO have differences in their genetics, but that simply determines their natural rate of melanin production. My virus kinda juices it up a bit, causes the victims to have dark skin.

Again, this virus does not alter genetics. It simply alters physical appearance.

EDIT: Also, this weapon will be made for sale later.


Yawn, I'm in college, since AP biology is basically level 1 College Biology, I think I slightly outrank that... And the point remains, I believe your virus holds no merit in anything even remotely possible, it's basically voodoo, and thus I'd never accept it as a legitimate weapon. Oh, I still technically IC wise ignore you, since you took the lord's name in vain, ooc, in one of my threads. You'll need to do some good apologizing to get off the IC ignore list.

ooc: University level Forensic Biology, with Bioscience :P
Where does that put me?

OOC:
I'm sorry, DA, but if you're saying that you'll only RP with people who never say anything that offends you at all... as you refused to do with me once or twice back when I was Seryown, and as apparently you're doing with Tyrandis... you might as well just RP on a completely different forum, because on this one you've limited the number of people you can RP with to about ten or fifteen people. I'm not going to yell at you, I'm simply suggesting that you move to another forum(perhaps even create your own), where you and others who will never say anything that remotely offends you can RP together without having to go out of your way to avoid ninety percent of the people RPing.

IC:
Ninurta commends the advances in science that made it possible for Tyrandis to produce such a weapon, but we ask that the weapon be destroyed immediately so that it may never be used against another nation. We do not see a practical application of this weapon to defend Tyrandis, so we do not feel that Tyrandis should be producing it.

ooc: University level Forensic Biology, with Bioscience :P
Where does that put me?


Ooc- My mother is a doctor, and she says race is a real thing that has significant genetic differences. Many people in my family are doctors and some even work for government contractors and the gov't itself (one of my cousins works for NASA)

Ooc- My mother is a doctor, and she says race is a real thing that has significant genetic differences. Many people in my family are doctors and some even work for government contractors and the gov't itself (one of my cousins works for NASA)

OOC: Like I said before... Race does have an impact on genetic characteristics, but my virus doesn't worry about that. All it does is infect melanin production glands and cause them to produce the enzyme at an accelerated rate.

The underlying genetic code is unaffected, it's just the physical character that's changed.

Also, I'm still not quite sure why you'd IGNORE for the sake of a slip of the tongue. Either way, I did probably go over the line a bit.

Also, I'm still not quite sure why you'd IGNORE for the sake of a slip of the tongue.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in Vain.

OOC:
I'm sorry, DA, but if you're saying that you'll only RP with people who never say anything that offends you at all... as you refused to do with me once or twice back when I was Seryown, and as apparently you're doing with Tyrandis... you might as well just RP on a completely different forum, because on this one you've limited the number of people you can RP with to about ten or fifteen people. I'm not going to yell at you, I'm simply suggesting that you move to another forum(perhaps even create your own), where you and others who will never say anything that remotely offends you can RP together without having to go out of your way to avoid ninety percent of the people RPing.


Ooc- You little liar, if you remember, it was you who refused to RP with me numerous times, as Sevaris, ITD, and Kahta can all attest to. I have logs, I even have a post in II about it, and you finally relented and agreed to keep RPing after enough people stated they wanted to see the RP continue.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6888210&postcount=3

Race is genetic, yeah, but its all about the genes affecting Melanin production. If we altered genes to produce more melanin it would work; like how we use jellyfish pigment to make mice glow.

Ooc-

I don't accept that skin color has anything to do with something a virus could affect. Skin color is determined by genetic coding that is determined by race. Each race has different genetic coding. I wouldn't ever accept an attack from something I consider "voodoo science" (Politicized science that all races are totally the same) Just recently, a medical company made a pill that for some reason, only works on black males, genetics are behind this reason.

There was the UN, the BBC, the Pentagon, all talking about how it is totally possible for a racially specific biological weapon to be coded against the target races unique genetic coding. Racial differences are real. Race is not just skin deep.

Thus as somebody who believes true science, I could no more accept a virus altering skin color through bogus levels of false crap, than I could accept somebody saying the Pope is a Protestant. Sking color is determined by genetics, which is determined by race. You cannot alter it without altering genetics, and even then, a white with black skin would still be genetically a caucasoid.


DA, go take a biology class. Better yet, I'll link you to dictionary.com's definition of melanin: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=melanin.

Melanin is a pigment, it's actually what causes tanning and in high enough concentrations will make somebody's skin go pitch black, not black in the way you mean it. The inverse of that is a complete lack of melanin, it's called albinoism.

DA, go take a biology class. Better yet, I'll link you to dictionary.com's definition of melanin: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=melanin.

Melanin is a pigment, it's actually what causes tanning and in high enough concentrations will make somebody's skin go pitch black, not black in the way you mean it. The inverse of that is a complete lack of melanin, it's called albinoism.

So, 2 whites could have a black kid?

So, 2 whites could have a black kid?


According to his logic, or should I say lack of logic... His degree in biology is probably from the University of Karl Marx, the same place he got his economic ideas at, most left-wing ARA nuts are also lunatics when it comes to their economic theories (Socialism, communism, etc)

ooc: this weapons doesnt claim to change race, it just changes skin color.

perfectly reasonable, god damn it ;)
and
So, 2 whites could have a black kid?
I don't know about that but I have seen 2 black parents give birth to a white kid, this was on ABC news, DNA of the parents matched up, it was two black gave birth to a white kid lol

According to his logic, or should I say lack of logic... His degree in biology is probably from the University of Karl Marx, the same place he got his economic ideas at, most left-wing ARA nuts are also lunatics when it comes to their economic theories (Socialism, communism, etc)

OOC:WAIT! HOLD UP! You are a right-wing fascist in real life? OH MY GOD!

This virus does not concern itself with genetics however, it only goes after Melanin production centers. This thing actually has just as much viability as your RSBWs, if not more.

Making melanin production go into overdrive isn't exactly race specific.

So, 2 whites could have a black kid?

No, they couldn't, because dark skin is dominant to light skin in terms of alleles. Take a basic biology class, you'll know all about it.

SS's point was that my weapon was feasible because human skin darkens when melanin is generated. Try reading for content.

OCC:Two white people having a black kid is posible. Highly unlikely but posible. There is also the posability that a black child would have white spots on his or her body. Hell they even showed it on the discovery channel. And they also showed a case of a woman who was white turn black overnight. They even showed photographic proof.

So, 2 whites could have a black kid?

Perfectly feasible, as I recollect. The dominant gene for skin colour in that particular area might be white, indeed the only gene for it might be white - though moles would attest otherwise - but genetic mutation alone would be happily able to account for it. As a matter of fact, I've seen at least one photo of the opposite effect in action - a kid who was born in some African country, of two black parents, had a negroid skull and general body structure (and yes, there are certain differences, but they're minute in genetic terms, as by the way is skin colour), but was as white as I am. Possibly whiter, in fact. Sadly, I don't quite recall whether he had the ability to tan or not, which should have been impossible if his melanin level was zero (or unnoticeable if it were very low).

Incidentally, for all those who are so unversed in biology that they're unfamiliar with the concept of genes and their properties, here's (http://www.biology-online.org/3/1_genetic_control.htm) a brief guide on exactly how it is possible for a white couple to give birth to a black child, or vice-versa. To quote from here:

Although there are 16 possible combinations in expressing the skin phenotype, there are 5 different possible genotypes that the genes of melanin can express for, as indicated above. Each expression of melanin has an accumulating effect on skin tone, until maximum expression of melanin through 4 dominant alleles leads to a black skin phenotype.

Therefore, when any person is born, they will be one of five colours. After this, external factors such as UV sunlight from the sun will change the skin colour away from the genetic expression of its initial colour.

As one can see, it is perfectly possible, by strange chance or by mutation of the relevant base sequences, for skin colour to bear no relation at all to that of the parent. It's just the sheer brilliant efficiency and effectiveness of natural building that means most of the time it works as one would expect.

OOC: surely the effect wouldnt be permanent as once the virus leaves, the body would go back to normal, meaning that the skin would over several months go back to normal surely? Though there would be vitamin D problems and possibly SAD in this time (though my knowledge on SAD is limited, my powers of logic arent limited so much)

Presumably so. It would be, I would expect, much the same as an attack of mumps - when the virus is finally driven off by the auto-immune system, the body's properties return to normal. The length of time for which the pigment would remain in the skin is an interesting question.

No, somebody with pale skin cannot have a child with dark skin unless both of them had parents with dark skin. However, the body function that regulates melanin levels is hard coded into the genetic structure. I myself am of Scandinavian descent, so my skin is relatively pale and burns easily but it'll also eventually tan into an extremely dark color (for someone of my complexion) if I spend a great deal of my summer outside in the sun.

And for the record, I no more believe in this one race bullcrap than you, although my reasons are different. Anthropologically speaking, there are three distinc sub-species of humans; caucasian, african, and asiatic. Within those three broad groups there are ethnic variations that depend on enviroment, typical diets of a specific group of people, and many more factors.

I'm also curious if you automatically classify people as "left wing?" It shouldn't surprise me, really, since you and your ilk tend to be so good at classifying people.

No, somebody with pale skin cannot have a child with dark skin unless both of them had parents with dark skin.

You sure? (Just to sate my own will not get it wrong.) I'll swear that it's possible - unlikely, to be sure, but possible, if only by mutation.

OOC: surely the effect wouldnt be permanent as once the virus leaves, the body would go back to normal, meaning that the skin would over several months go back to normal surely? Though there would be vitamin D problems and possibly SAD in this time (though my knowledge on SAD is limited, my powers of logic arent)

OOC: That is correct. Basically, I'm using this weapon as a psy-ops tool.

IE: Suppose I go to war w/ Nazi nation X, where X is the white supremacist that's threatening me.

I just load up a few IRBMs or SLBMs with this baby and unleash it on their force concentrations. It's really good for mass demoralization.

You sure? (Just to sate my own will not get it wrong.) I'll swear that it's possible - unlikely, to be sure, but possible, if only by mutation.

I'll admit I oversimplified it a tad, but well, it's DA. I figure 4 allele charts are about as much as he can handle, anything complex like skin color that requires a really large allele chart would overload his brain.

I'll admit I oversimplified it a tad, but well, it's DA. I figure 4 allele charts are about as much as he can handle, anything complex like skin color that requires a really large allele chart would overload his brain.

OOC:Hahahaha.

I'll admit I oversimplified it a tad, but well, it's DA. I figure 4 allele charts are about as much as he can handle, anything complex like skin color that requires a really large allele chart would overload his brain.

Not necessary. Leave personal attacks out of this.

This virus does not concern itself with genetics however, it only goes after Melanin production centers. This thing actually has just as much viability as your RSBWs, if not more.

Making melanin production go into overdrive isn't exactly race specific.


The Pentagon, BBC, and another news source all stated that the RSBW agents are a very real possibility and can be done with the proper resources. I think you're not the Pentagon, sir.

OCC:Two white people having a black kid is posible. Highly unlikely but posible. There is also the posability that a black child would have white spots on his or her body. Hell they even showed it on the discovery channel. And they also showed a case of a woman who was white turn black overnight. They even showed photographic proof.

So, if I were to have a kid with another white girl, if just COULD be black? Lets say she's Irish, and I'm Scottish. Its possible to have a black kid between us?

You say that as though it affects my point.

OCC:It would be highly unlikely. And I mean highly as in a extreme longshot. But there is that chance of genetic mutation that can cause it to happen. But It would be highly unlikely.

So, if I were to have a kid with another white girl, if just COULD be black? Lets say she's Irish, and I'm Scottish. Its possible to have a black kid between us?

It goes deeper than that. Are there any people, now or in the past, that have had people with dark skin in her's and yours direct family line? How many, if any? How many generations back? These are all factors in determining whether the child could have dark skin. However, if you consider yourself to have pale skin and the same with the girl, you would have to have millions of children before the possibility ever came into play.

Oh, and another thing DA:

Just because the Pentagon suggests that one could be viable and does not even begin to think about the other, does not mean that the other is completely out of the realm of possibility, as you seem to assume.

Alright, let me say this. An RSBW may, I say may be a feasible idea (and I personally reckon it's not, unless that is you want to wipe out just about everyone with it) with the appropriate resources. A few other ideas that fall into this bracket include: cold fusion, cars powered by air, and food pills. See any of them coming around the corner? No. And they're a damned sight more practicable than any "race-specific weapon," which has already been so thoroughly demolished as a useful weapon (certainly for the foreseeable future) that it's laughable that anyone would continue trying to argue the case for them.

Not necessary. Leave personal attacks out of this.

As you say. However, I find it odd that the most recognized symbol of "racial purity" and ethnic hatred would be banned, yet when the attitudes crop up they aren't cut down. However, it isn't my business what Max does with his site.

OOC> Okay, the virus is unlikely. But it would be fun as hell. And I think race is just as much a social construction as anything else. I mean, there was a time when there was real debate whether or not the Irish were white. And Arabs, Persians, Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews, etc are Caucasian ... are they white? This is the point I'm trying to raise here. The fundamental fact of the human race is not that we are 'black' (or brown as most African-Americans are) or 'white' (which really means everything from alabaster to quite dark) but that we all belong to the species homo sapiens sapiens. We share something like 98% of our DNA with the chimpanzees.

Furthermore, DA, if your RP reflects your personal beliefs (and it seems to) ... I don't think Jesus, as a Jew (probably what we now call Sephardic) would appreciate that. I firmly believe that whenever racists use God to justify their beliefs, that they are taking the Lord's name in vain. I firmly believe that all human beings are reflections of God, no one group less than the other. Of course, if this is not the case and Mississippi is just an elaborate RP and I am misinterpreting your OOC comments that you've made, then I apologize and this doesn't apply to you.

Furthermore, if I have overstepped the boundaries of good taste, I will delete this post. (Especially if mods say so) But I think my point is as valid as anyone's in a funny post about viruses that is becoming a discussion of race very quickly.