NationStates Jolt Archive

NOTE: This is not another "ooh look at me I'm making a WWII thread" thread. This is because the previous WWII thread that I joined (which may have qualified for that title) was created by a player who doesn't seem to be active. I'm going to remake the thread and make it actually work.

The year is 1940, the date: May 10th. The Great War is well underway, Japan and China have already been at since June of 1937, and Hitler is threatening to control all of Europe with his invasion of Poland and mad annexations. The Blitzkrieg on Western Europe has begun, Belgium, France, Luxembourg and the Netherlands are all subject to invasion.

This is the start, where the road is paved clear for new assaults, wars, and technology to come forth. Here you will take control of a nation involved in the conflict. Here you will have a chance to do things the real Mussolini, Hitler or Churchill failed to think of. Lead your troops to great victory, plan your own offensives, even bring about a switch in allegience! Imagine the destruction if the United Kingdom joined the Axis, or if Spain helped invade France from the beginning. Imagine what would happen if Russia invaded Japan before Pearl Harbor began, or if Turkey launched a invasion to crush all of Africa?

Please remain mature, roleplaying experience on these forums is preferred, but show me good grammar, an understanding of what roleplaying is, and intelligence, and I will most likely let you in. Knowledge of WWII history is also preferred, necessary in fact. Research facts before you just jump to a conclusion about what is going on. Make sure you know what you are talking about. And above all, remember, you are roleplaying a real person who had real beliefs, Roosevelt would have never up and decided that National Socialism was the way to go. In fact, it would be an insult to Roosevelt's pride and honour if you had him join the Axis Nations. Keep it realistic, and remember, there is nothing wrong with bringing a nation in before it was brought in during reality. This is going to be our game, not a history lesson.

Certain nations were not included because they have absoltuely no chance of defending themselves against the Axis. Have fun, and let the war begin.


List of Important Nations

Allied Nations:

United Kingdom + Colonies - Kanabia
France + Colonies - New Scott-land
China - Soviet USSR
Norway - Cotland
The Netherlands (Holland) + Colonies - Warta Endor
Belgium and Luxembourg - Lachenburg
Canada - Delancy
South Africa - Ollieland
Syria - Dhulus
Australia and New Zealand - Anneburg
Denmark
Brazil
India


Axis Nations:
Germany - Tomzilla
Italy - Jagonia
Finland - Lucifir
Japan - [b]Tenarius


Neutral Nations:

Ireland - Wiatava
U.S.S.R. - Pushka
United States - Sharina
Spain - Spain
Turkey - Hanseania
Sweden - Miirland
Mongolia - Saint Beutocelli
Switzerland - San Lucia
Latvian, Estonian, and Lithuanian Partisans - East Lithuania
Greece - Gloxinia
Mexico - Truitt
Romania
Hungary - Anti-Nazis
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia


I'll be taking Japan for this RP, there are other nations as well, and if you request them (note that the information has to be valid, and I will make sure you know what the details on that nation was for the date), you can be them. If this ends up filling up, I will add lists of other nations people can be, to keep the ball rolling smoothly.

Enjoy!


IC Thread:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381191

Bump.

Activity is picking up, so BUMP.

Shouldent the United States be in the allies category. If it is I will be the United States but if not I will be Germany.

During the 1940's America had not actively declared itself part of the war, and as such was a Neutral Country. It did not actually join the Allies in the War until Pearl Harbor occured in December of 1941, although it was in actuality still supplying Allied Countries with weapons, and in Britain, the Eagle Squadrons of the RAF were formed of American Volunteer Pilots.

I personally believe the United States should remain a Neutral Nation until it declare war, or until an Axis Nation declares war on it (such as an attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, if you decided to wait that long.)

Anyway, its up to you, Germany or the US.

Although you do not include this nation on your list, I would like to play as the "neutral" nation of Switzerland.

The Neutral Nations I included were ones I deemed as large or very important...and to be honest I forgot about Switzerland.

Switzerland approved!

OOC: I'll be USSR, although its a bad time to be USSR in 1940 but sure. i'll make it work.

It's a worse time to be France in 1940, am I right? I'm right. Oh yes, and you are confirmed. Better hurry people, its first come first serve here!

It's a worse time to be France in 1940, am I right? I'm right. Oh yes, and you are confirmed. Better hurry people, its first come first serve here!

OOC: Wait one sec its 1940 so Germany hasn't declared war on USSR yet. As for France hmm, i don't remember 7 million French being killed in first two weeks of war.. caught upprepared thanks to Stalin disarming soviet army. But that happened in 1941. Basically right now USSR is neutral, non-agression pact has not yet been broken. But if we could for example move the plot up a year, to a summer of 1941, then USSR Would be one of the allies.

I'll be The Soviet Union then....


!EDIT!
Forgot it was taken,I'll be China

I'll be The Soviet Union then....

OOC: Too late comrade, it already taken by me

Ne plach.

OOC: So basically as i understand it USSR is just hanging on the road side not bothering anyone? Nice.

OOC: I suppose you're correct, it should technically fall under the Neutral category. And even if 7 million russians died, at least they didn't lose half of their nation to Germany and have the other half under the command of German Puppets!

I have toyed with the idea of moving it to 1941, but I really liked the idea of starting at the beginning of the war, to give people a chance at doing things differently.

OOC: I suppose you're correct, it should technically fall under the Neutral category. And even if 7 million russians died, at least they didn't lose half of their nation to Germany and have the other half under the command of German Puppets!

I have toyed with the idea of moving it to 1941, but I really liked the idea of starting at the beginning of the war, to give people a chance at doing things differently.

OOC: War began in 1939, officially, but Germany was annexening the hell out of Europe even before that.

Deutschland please.

Well, if you check the starting date, its just a couple months after the Polish Invasion ended and its right on the starting date of the blitzkrieg into West Europe. So its pretty much the start of major, things-getting-very-seriously-rough hostilities.

China and USSR approved. And you aren't sitting by the wayside yet, technically Russia is at war with Finland according to everything I'm reading.

Deutschland approved, Sieg Heil, Heil Tomzilla! (Couldn't help myself, sorry. ;))

Well, if you check the starting date, its just a couple months after the Polish Invasion ended and its right on the starting date of the blitzkrieg into West Europe. So its pretty much the start of major, things-getting-very-seriously-rough hostilities.

China and USSR approved. And you aren't sitting by the wayside yet, technically Russia is at war with Finland according to everything I'm reading.

Filand lost that one, but the Russkies suffered terrible loses and had to resort to bombing civilians to get Finland to surrender.

This seems quite interesting!

I'd like to be the USA.

I love alternate history and I'd love to see what can happen if I can play the USA differently than it did in real life.

Glad to see that you are interested. USA approved, lets see how you and I can do things differently, since it's going to come down to a Naval War between us sooner or later. :D

Well, if you check the starting date, its just a couple months after the Polish Invasion ended and its right on the starting date of the blitzkrieg into West Europe. So its pretty much the start of major, things-getting-very-seriously-rough hostilities.

China and USSR approved. And you aren't sitting by the wayside yet, technically Russia is at war with Finland according to everything I'm reading.

Oh yeah thats right, Finland. My grandfather was in a labor camp in Finland during WW2. Okay then, but shouldn't you add Finland to the least? The only advantage Fins had was their snipers, we called them "Kukushkas", they account for most of Russian casualties.

Sounds like you know what you're doing. I'll take the UK (I presume it includes all of the commonwealth nations)

Deutschland approved, Sieg Heil, Heil Tomzilla! (Couldn't help myself, sorry. ;))

That actually means victory welfare, welfare. Maybe the translator on google isn't working properly.

Hello everyone.

If no one is going to complain about it, might I be allowed to play Turkey?
If playing Turkey is not an option, how about letting me take care of Norway instead...

Or perhaps even both?

Yours sincerely,
H

OOC: I've not roleplayed before, (On Nationstates, in a War type thread) So I'd have to learn. So if your willing to have me, I'd take France, if it's viable, or, Any one of the neutral countries. Maybe Spain?

Damn you. You took Japan. :sniper: :mp5:

Filand lost that one, but the Russkies suffered terrible loses and had to resort to bombing civilians to get Finland to surrender.

The russians invaded Poland, Finland and the Baltics on November 30th, 1939. I searched up to 1941 but found no traces of a Finnish Surrender, if anybody else wants to peek around it would be appreciated, just to see if the USSR really is at war.

OOC:Oh you might also add Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania to that list, those are the countries USSR took over in 1940 while the un-agression pact was still not broken. Anyways, i need atleast one enemy.

Shouldn.t the smaller western European countries be on the list? Holland also had modernday Indonesia and some territories in South America. I would like to RP Great Britain+Colonies if you aprove. BTW I got two questions. Is this going to be a realistic RP? I have quite some info on troops/ units used in various battles or is it just "Germany sends 200000 SS troops to Russia" And the colonies of GB, does Australia, New Zealand and South Africa belong to that? I mean, they were quite indipendant at that time. They were only linked to GB by the commonwealth.

The russians invaded Poland, Finland and the Baltics on November 30th, 1939. I searched up to 1941 but found no traces of a Finnish Surrender, if anybody else wants to peek around it would be appreciated, just to see if the USSR really is at war.

It might have been a peace treaty because when the Germans invaded Russia, the Finns joined in and invaded the lands they lost.

United Kingdom is approved.

I was thinking they should be combined, the UK and the Commonwealth Nations, but seeing as how many people are joining, we should consider leaving Australia and Canada seperate.

France is viable, as is spain. If you want France, speak up and its yours. Note that it also includes all French Colonies in Africa and Asia.

Turkey is allowed, as is Norway. You can't have both unless nobody takes either or. Make your decision quick. :)

As for the translation...I dunno, I don't use a translator, I was just seeing if I couldn't be weird and insane, which I am.

I'll take France then, Yes I'm aware of all the colonies... Ugh! lol =P But, if a 'better' RPer shows up, and would Like France, I'll move to Spain, or another country.

Warta Endor - Somebody got to the UK first, sorry. And I don't think I'm going to include South Africa, Canada, New Zealand and Australia on that list. And I'm going for a realistic RP, I want to see RPs of stuff happening on the front lines, soldiers, actual characters, decisions being discussed by the government. Let's get a real RP going here, not some noobfest of stats and such. Obviously you want to post stats, but lets not be noobs and send tons of troops at each other for no reason with no explanations or roleplaying of it.

Tomzilla - Perhaps, I just want to know when the war ended, because I can't find anything of it up to July 1941, when I gave up searching.

I considered those smaller nations, they are still there, you can still take them over, go ahead, but I had to put this together in a hurry once things started going.

OK, I will take Holland then. (damn I wanted GB:P)

The russians invaded Poland, Finland and the Baltics on November 30th, 1939. I searched up to 1941 but found no traces of a Finnish Surrender, if anybody else wants to peek around it would be appreciated, just to see if the USSR really is at war.

Finland and USSR signed a peace treaty on March 12, 1940. Finland surrendered some land but remained independent.

Warta Endor - Somebody got to the UK first, sorry. And I don't think I'm going to include South Africa, Canada, New Zealand and Australia on that list. And I'm going for a realistic RP, I want to see RPs of stuff happening on the front lines, soldiers, actual characters, decisions being discussed by the government. Let's get a real RP going here, not some noobfest of stats and such. Obviously you want to post stats, but lets not be noobs and send tons of troops at each other for no reason with no explanations or roleplaying of it.

Tomzilla - Perhaps, I just want to know when the war ended, because I can't find anything of it up to July 1941, when I gave up searching.

I considered those smaller nations, they are still there, you can still take them over, go ahead, but I had to put this together in a hurry once things started going.

Technically I think all of those Colones were Free to choose to enter the war or not. I know Canada (For Symbolic reasons) waited a week to enter the war, Maybe it would be realistic to some extent to include them?

Alright, thank you very much for that info Tomzilla.

Canada did that as an attempt to prove its independence, even though it was a Commonwealth Nation, but anyway, I'm going to list them as independent nations for people to control.

And remember people; that list is usually just the more important nations that I can remember. It isn't the definitive list, keep reminding me of nations to add if you remember somebody important that I forget.

Warta Endor's claim to The Netherlands is approved. France is approved. Everybody's approved so far. Whee!

Just one more question, when does the real RPing begin? I'm very busy this week and probaly next week to.

i want italy. :sniper: :mp5:

No offence intended Covenet elites, but i'm a bit dubious of RPing with someone that uses an abundance of :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: smileys.

The real RPing...I haven't decided on an exact date yet. I want to see who joins up, see how everybody's schedule is. I'm pretty open for awhile, but I can't say the same for everybody else.

Covenet elites: So far you have one post and poor grammar. Please specify why I should let you have Italy when other perfectly good, experienced players could come in and take it instead?

Can I RP Switzerland? I'm not a very experienced RPer but I will try.

I'm sorry Anneburg, but somebody has already claimed Switzerland, see the list on the first post.

Awwwww, Can I take New Zealand then?

Wow, fast reply. Sure, New Zealand is fine.

Wow, fast reply. Sure, New Zealand is fine.

Thanks, yeah I was anxious for a positive reply.

Personally I think Australia and New Zealand should probably come under one player. Would simplify things a bit and convey well how the nations armed forces interacted.

Can somebody please take Finland? Also we not gonna RP in this thread as i understand it. Right?

Hmmm, yeah that's a good point. Anneburg, would you complain if I put Australia and New Zealand under your command?

We are not going to RP in this thread no, this is the OOC/Sign-Up thread.

Yeah, somebody pick Finland, it's not like they sucked in war, on the contrary, they were pretty good! They just didn't have the numbers that Russia could boast.

We are not going to RP in this thread no, this is the OOC/Sign-Up thread.

Yeah, somebody pick Finland, it's not like they sucked in war, on the contrary, they were pretty good! They just didn't have the numbers that Russia could boast.

Their main advantage were their snipers and their highly skilled skie troops. They were fast and their main tactic was to quickly come in, make few shots and move out.

Hmm, I think we need more Axis players in general...

Hmmm, yeah that's a good point. Anneburg, would you complain if I put Australia and New Zealand under your command?

Not at all! Thanks!

Alright, you are now the proud owner of Australia and New Zealand. I should be able to stir some things up now. :D

OOC: Bump, if any of you are active, in the event that I will eventually have to sleep/run an errand/play World of WarCraft/and so on/and so on... Anybody want to volunteer to help moderate this? Approve nation requests, settle disputes, and so on? If you have enough posts, seem neutral and you have a reputation for being respectable, I'll accept you. :P

*yawn* i'd like to, but it's almost 5AM and i'm off to bed :p

OOC: Heh, that's alright. Goodnight then, enjoy your sleep, I'll sit here and hold the fort...

OOC: Bump, if any of you are active, in the event that I will eventually have to sleep/run an errand/play World of WarCraft/and so on/and so on... Anybody want to volunteer to help moderate this? Approve nation requests, settle disputes, and so on? If you have enough posts, seem neutral and you have a reputation for being respectable, I'll accept you. :P

I could if you want me too. I can't give a promise of how long I'm here for, nor can I rate on the ability of anyone to RP, but I can hold the fort.

Not to sound offensive, but I really don't have enough knowledge as to how good a roleplayer you are. If in the future you can prove yourself to be a good roleplayer (which so far you seem intelligent and moderate, with a good understanding of grammar), then I'll consider you. Sorry, but I've had troubles with bad moderators in the past, so now I'm very careful about who I choose.

Thanks for allowing me to play as the USA.

I feel I need to voice a couple of questions / concerns.

First, we need to set guidelines or something to prevent "I knew the attack was coming because historically it happened". For example, D-Day. Historically, Germany lost D-Day because of Hitler and the fear of his commanders to wake up Hitler.

But in this WW II RP, the German player "anticipates" D-Day and builds way more fortifications and stuff than in RL history because he *knew* D-Day was gonna happen.

Or....

We all know about Pearl Harbor. Suppose the USA player (if it wasn't me) decides to prevent Pearl Harbor by simply putting up planes and such before the Japanese attacked, quite opposite from what happened in real life Pearl Harbor.

These kind of situations need to be moderated and such. How will we do this?


My second question... can I RP different presidents or leaders in the USA (like if I want Roosevelt to lose the 1940 elections or something, or have more warlike leaders put into place, etc.)?

Would this be acceptable?

Not to sound offensive, but I really don't have enough knowledge as to how good a roleplayer you are. If in the future you can prove yourself to be a good roleplayer (which so far you seem intelligent and moderate, with a good understanding of grammar), then I'll consider you. Sorry, but I've had troubles with bad moderators in the past, so now I'm very careful about who I choose.

lol, Don't worry about it. :p I understand completely eh?

And to add to the US Questions, For France. Am I allowed to change what the French thought? LIke they were completely astounded that the Maginot Line failed, Whereas I presumably know it will fail, and can prepare a backup plan. In real life, they would never have used it, they were set to fight for the Maginot Line, but I could change it, or can't I?

I would be interested in playing the nation of Belgium.

I'd like to be Italy.

Italy and Belgium are confirmed; welcome to the War gentlemen.

As for the whole French thing...as soon as it starts to fail you can start coming up with new plans, but until then, the Generals are stuck in their ways. You'll have to live with it for at least a couple days after they go around it or crush the weak spots with armour, hehe.

Italy and Belgium are confirmed; welcome to the War gentlemen.

As for the whole French thing...as soon as it starts to fail you can start coming up with new plans, but until then, the Generals are stuck in their ways. You'll have to live with it for at least a couple days after they go around it or crush the weak spots with armour, hehe.


I'd like a response to my questions if possible. :)

I also have a question (oh no, not another!:D) There was a sort of combined headquarters for South-East Asia in feb-mar 1942 when the japanese were on the loose and no one had a clue what to do. Can you start up alliances and combined HQ and stuff like that eventhough they didn't exist in RL?

EDIT: Damn, have another one! In many european countries you had Fascist parties like in Holland the NSB. Do they play a rol?

Wow, I completely missed those with all the hubbub of new players, sorry Sharina.

Thanks for allowing me to play as the USA.

I feel I need to voice a couple of questions / concerns.

First, we need to set guidelines or something to prevent "I knew the attack was coming because historically it happened". For example, D-Day. Historically, Germany lost D-Day because of Hitler and the fear of his commanders to wake up Hitler.

But in this WW II RP, the German player "anticipates" D-Day and builds way more fortifications and stuff than in RL history because he *knew* D-Day was gonna happen.

Or....

We all know about Pearl Harbor. Suppose the USA player (if it wasn't me) decides to prevent Pearl Harbor by simply putting up planes and such before the Japanese attacked, quite opposite from what happened in real life Pearl Harbor.

These kind of situations need to be moderated and such. How will we do this?


My second question... can I RP different presidents or leaders in the USA (like if I want Roosevelt to lose the 1940 elections or something, or have more warlike leaders put into place, etc.)?

Would this be acceptable?

Answer to the Second Question: Of course, it's your nation from this point on, do what you want with it. =)


The First thing:

Hmmm, its a very good point and one I have been thinking of myself. There is no easy way to avoid it, except to state that it is illegal and have the most neutral players act as moderators to make sure nobody goes through these major preminition things, making sure that everybody is playing realistically and intelligently. Personally, I am going to try and avoid fighting any of the major historical battles just to keep everybody on their toes and avoid that whole situation.

I would like to take on the role of Canada, if that is alright of course.

I also have a question (oh no, not another!:D) There was a sort of combined headquarters for South-East Asia in feb-mar 1942 when the japanese were on the loose and no one had a clue what to do. Can you start up alliances and combined HQ and stuff like that eventhough they didn't exist in RL?

Yup, just keep it realistic. Remember that in some cases, certain nations would never work with another nation because they hated them so much. For instance, the U.S.S.R and Germany would have NEVER allied EVER, not unless they could eliminate Stalin and put a non-communist government in place, or if Hitler was eliminated and a Communist put in his place.

Keep it realistic, alliances can form that were previously not there, battles may take place that never happened, wars may start that nobody dreamed of before, but remember that everything will be in dissaray and chaos will be ensuing. Remember, just because nations will be working together doesn't mean they will get along. I'm determined to make sure nobody is doing ridiculous things in this.

I would like to take on the role of Canada, if that is alright of course.

Sure, one Canadian coming right up.

Can't wait till the RPing starts! good night all.

When does the RPing start by the way?

Goodnight, I can't wait either. ^_^

I stated before that I'm not quite sure yet, it's going to be at least a day so that more people can start up.

I'll see you guys tomorow then.

I'll see you guys tomorow then. (I'll be home around this time tomorow)

if this get off id like to take finland tg if its already taken or when ur starting

Finland approved.

Finland approved.

uh does mean its already taken, :confused: or im now finland

It means I've approved you.

Very well then, Turkey it is then!

*scampers off to read up on Turkish involvement in the World Wars*

So, the show should be on the road about this time tomorrow?

- H

uh does mean its already taken, :confused: or im now finland

I am a man who gonna fight you.

Thanks for allowing me to play as the USA.

I feel I need to voice a couple of questions / concerns.

First, we need to set guidelines or something to prevent "I knew the attack was coming because historically it happened". For example, D-Day. Historically, Germany lost D-Day because of Hitler and the fear of his commanders to wake up Hitler.

But in this WW II RP, the German player "anticipates" D-Day and builds way more fortifications and stuff than in RL history because he *knew* D-Day was gonna happen.

Or....

We all know about Pearl Harbor. Suppose the USA player (if it wasn't me) decides to prevent Pearl Harbor by simply putting up planes and such before the Japanese attacked, quite opposite from what happened in real life Pearl Harbor.

These kind of situations need to be moderated and such. How will we do this?




First of all, Hitler lost D-day for two reasons

1. Most of his troops were on eastern front
2. Allies send a false coded message, and they knew that Germans would be able to get it. Because of that message Germans thought that invasion will a hundred miles away from there it actually happened, and thats why you met so little resistance on the beaches.

Yup, just keep it realistic. Remember that in some cases, certain nations would never work with another nation because they hated them so much. For instance, the U.S.S.R and Germany would have NEVER allied EVER, not unless they could eliminate Stalin and put a non-communist government in place, or if Hitler was eliminated and a Communist put in his place.

You do realize that Germany and USSR were helping each over with the invasion of Poland, Latvia and Estonia? We were not complete allies but we were atleast not enemies, until Hitler broke the pact.

I do realize that, but tensions were still high between them, and the Nazi's were always anti-communist. There was no way a lasting alliance could have been made between them even if one side wanted it.

I do realize that, but tensions were still high between them, and the Nazi's were always anti-communist. There was no way a lasting alliance could have been made between them even if one side wanted it.

Yeah i agree with that, they were indeed anti-communist, plus had a nasty habbit of thinking that they are genetically superior then slavs. Well they learned their lesson through defeat. Anyways, then shall we start RPing?

I'd still like to give it a little more time before anything major starts, seeing as how only 1 allied and 2 axis members appears to be online, not sure about the neutrals.

But if you really really really want to start now, I guess it could be done.

Very well then, Turkey it is then!

*scampers off to read up on Turkish involvement in the World Wars*

So, the show should be on the road about this time tomorrow?

- H

Perhaps, it might start sooner though.

And remember, you are welcome to join in the fighting for your own cause; just because Turkey remained mostly neutral in WWII doesn't mean you have to remain neutral.

First of all, Hitler lost D-day for two reasons

1. Most of his troops were on eastern front
2. Allies send a false coded message, and they knew that Germans would be able to get it. Because of that message Germans thought that invasion will a hundred miles away from there it actually happened, and thats why you met so little resistance on the beaches.

Actually, D-Day could have been more bloody and possibly repelled if the German commanders woke up Hitler. The German tanks near the invasion beacheads did not dare to move to the beaches because they were afraid to disobey Hitler by moving out of their assigned "zone".

If Hitler was woke up earlier, and then he orders the tanks near Normandy to attack the invasion forces, then D-Day could very well have failed.

Very true, Armoured Units on the Beaches would have completely ruined the invasion. A single HE round into an opening transport would be sufficient to finish off most of them.

huh well lets make this orignaland not have this turn into a history lesson lets just play it out and d-day was really a clear cut victory for anyside the US was nearly wiped out, except for the airborne (which were scattered wildly across france

Just so you guys know, I am still on and if we start today/tonight, I would be happy to do so. (not to rush anything, I can wait).

I am Canada.

Bump!

hum.......reading up on finlands role in ww2 getting ready :rolleyes:

Well, when do you guys want to start this? I could start it earlier, I really don't care at this point. In any case I'm gonna start writing up the information on the Japanese Military in 1940.

arnt there still like 5-6 countires unacocunted for maybe u should give sum of the stronger countries a second nation to look after than we start this...i dont really care though even we fight this though midnight as long as its over by school tomorrow 6 am i have to start getting ready and im sure u all have jobs to go to aswell :mp5:

o and forgot this im basically just gonna use the stockpiled german weapons i already have ie: mausers and panzersquast, dont really have many machine guns and submachine guns and only have 2 old battleships navy wise (unless u guys let me use my agis class cruisers lol), but still finland wasnt a super power so r milatarys macth up perefectly :mp5:

Well, this is most likely going to go for a lot longer than one day...threads like this can't be solved in one day, it could be weeks, even months before this could be RPed to the finish.

So, tonight or tommorow will we start?

Tonight methinks.

Do you have a time? Estimate?

hows that gonna work i mean people have jobs do we just quit and all say were coming back at a certain time or sumthing and pick up for there :mp5:

is it okay if i use a mix of ww2 weapons there all from that era but there mostly allie like thomspons and m1911 a couple m1 and than hteres the mix of axis weapons i have is it okay if i use both sets (axis and allied) :mp5:

You don't really have to come back at specific times...this is fairly standard for the NS forums. The catch is that people post when they arrive and read other posts. If you Scroll down to Notification Type under the post options and choose 'No Email Notification' or something below it, it will be added to a list of Threads under your Profile that you have subscribed to. That is called 'Tagging' the thread.

Doing so will give you continual access to the thread.

It really depends on when I have the energy, which probably won't be after a short nap. 10 hours at the most, but it could be shorter.

I CALL USA! or general of the USA

-survo

USA is taken, but you might be able to negotiate with Sharina for control of part of the US forces.

I CALL USA! or general of the USA

-survo

u could take full control on one of the like 8 countries still ope :mp5: n tho

could i control part of the USA army? i am great at this type of thing. I am Survo, the guy who made Germany win WWII in another RP, i know my histroy and believe that i can help out. PLease let me in. I do not want to be a minor country or Germany. please, i would really like it if i could.

Norway, Sweden and South Africa arent minor nations. Furthermore, this RP is not going to go exactly like the actual conflict. Therefore, you could be Spain and decide to join the Axis, or even play Sweden and give up your neutrality for the Allied cause.

PLEASE! i really want to be part of the US!

Are we ready to take off yet? Or are some people still not seated? :confused:

It looks like we may have a couple more spots to fill.

Survo, someone has already chosen the U.S. I suggest that you either RP as another nation, or you dont RP at all.

Actually, D-Day could have been more bloody and possibly repelled if the German commanders woke up Hitler. The German tanks near the invasion beacheads did not dare to move to the beaches because they were afraid to disobey Hitler by moving out of their assigned "zone".

If Hitler was woke up earlier, and then he orders the tanks near Normandy to attack the invasion forces, then D-Day could very well have failed.

Well maybe it was a factor, although it sounds more like one of them myths. But still the most major factors were listed by me in my previous reply.

hum.......reading up on finlands role in ww2 getting ready :rolleyes:

your skiing skills ain't gonna save you this time. :)

i was asking if i could just be a general of the US

your skiing skills ain't gonna save you this time. :)



LOL sorry finland I have nothing against you whatsoever but that was really funny Pushka!!! I give you props man. :D

i was asking if i could just be a general of the US

Just wire a telegram to Sharina he is the one in control of US

lol yeah im never skied in my life

It looks like we may have a couple more spots to fill.

Survo, someone has already chosen the U.S. I suggest that you either RP as another nation, or you dont RP at all.

Well put, and yes, we still have a couple slots that should be filled before we begin.

your skiing skills ain't gonna save you this time. :)

Niiiice, hehehe.

basically since i first saw this tread 4 hours ago ive been waiting and stockpiling ww2 stuff

I've been stockpiling WW2 info since I joined the old thread that never started a couple days ago, so I'm pretty well prepared...except I still can't find any numbers on the Japanese Army. Does anybody have a site that lists Military Numbers in WWII?

as far as finland goes i couldnt really find anything but about japan i heard they quite literally had 10s of thousands of planes at there disposal just not enuff good pilots so again im pretty much just guessing for finland and using my OWN milatary might :mp5:

Tens of thousands is an exaggeration. The only near-exact number I can pull out off the top of my head is the Nihon Kaigun, which had around 1,500 planes dedicated to it. Beyond that, eh, probably a few thousand more. All I know is that in the early part of the war they had a superior Air Force, and throughout the entire rest of the war, their Navy was superior, they just had a run of bad luck (losing 5 carriers and several battleships in the battle of Midway), although America would have eventually outdone them in production speed and the Nuke would have convinced the Japanese Government to back up no matter how good their Navy was.

Norway please

Do you have the WWII knowledge and grammatical skills to hold the post of Norway? I can't judge you by one post and two words.

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Thanks for the bump.

Anyway, I've got stuff to do, I'll be back in a few hours I hope. Keep this up for me if you can guys, prepare your militaries. In fact, don't hesitate to post your militaries here, just general numbers, types of weapons and vehicles used, etc etc etc.

Hmm, I was thinking Italy and then found out that it has been taken, and then Swedan and too lazy to find it, so what are some good nations still open Ten.?

Hey Mr. F., I didn't leave yet, good thing too.

Norway, Sweden, Spain, South Africa, Mongolia, and Greece are all of the decent nations left, in comparison to things like Latvia and Luxembourg. ;)

as of now 120,000 genral men, how there gonna be broken up is any1s guess. im use to modern so im gonna have to change a few things and that number increases by the hour

700 cargo and transport c-37s

700 lancastor bombers

1,500 german meserfeit

2,000 25 pund british mark 2 howiters

10 bm-7 Arkansas Class battleship (left overs for the Great War)

40,000 Thompsons

100,000 german mausers

30 b-52 stratosphere bomber (this didnt show up til like late '45)

100,000 panzerfaist (one time use and they are relatively cheap and easy to produce) which is why you need so many of them

40 Panzers

5 Tigers

50,000 mg-42 (standard german machine guns simple to produce)

20,000 9mm pistols

thats all i have as of now but ive been stockpiling all day and will continue on through the night and during the war :mp5:

Mongolia? Lol, those people wanted to join USSR but we turned them down. Mongolia doesn't have an army, they have just recentely ended their age of feudalism. Latvia had an army and even tried to give USSR a fight, although it was still conquered and absorbed, quickly and painlessly.

The stratosphere and Tigers are technically not created yet, so why would Finland have them when nobody else does?

Although I believe plans for the Tiger will be laid down some time in the next couple years...even so, thats a German invention.

Nitpicky? Yes, but Finland wasn't known for its superior technology.

as of now 120,000 genral men, how there gonna be broken up is any1s guess. im use to modern so im gonna have to change a few things and that number increases by the hour

700 cargo and transport c-37s

700 lancastor bombers

1,500 german meserfeit

2,000 25 pund british mark 2 howiters

10 bm-7 Arkansas Class battleship (left overs for the Great War)

40,000 Thompsons

100,000 german mausers

30 b-52 stratosphere bomber (this didnt show up til like late '45)

100,000 panzerfaist (one time use and they are relatively cheap and easy to produce) which is why you need so many of them

40 Panzers

5 Tigers

50,000 mg-42 (standard german machine guns simple to produce)

20,000 9mm pistols

thats all i have as of now but ive been stockpiling all day and will continue on through the night and during the war :mp5:

Wait i don't remeber Fins having battleships, especially american ones, and american guns. Remember, Finland is officially allied with Germany, that means that neither US, nor UK would supply it.

thatdoesnt matter this isnt a history lesson its gonna b diffrent besides its all ww2 stuff so it all fits and actually in the last 5 months of the war finland betrays germany and fights against her and actually IS supplied by the allies but that probally wont happen here

Mongolia doesn't have an army, that is correct...no reason why Mongolia couldn't attempt to form an army. I didn't say it would be an easy nation, but it certainly has potential, just as long as the U.S.S.R doesn't notice it hiding there...which of course wouldn't happen.

thatdoesnt matter this isnt a history lesson its gonna b diffrent besides its all ww2 stuff so it all fits and actually in the last 5 months of the war finland betrays germany and fights against her and actually IS supplied by the allies but that probally wont happen here

That was 1945 in real life, this is 1940 in an Alternate Universe.

besides the united states did sell ww1 stockpile battleships to sevral countires in the 20s and 30s including finland

That was 1945 in real life, this is 1940 in an Alternate Universe.

right so i can have american guns and uk bombers right im not gonna buy or pruduce a buttload of german stuff for one rp :mp5:

thatdoesnt matter this isnt a history lesson its gonna b diffrent besides its all ww2 stuff so it all fits and actually in the last 5 months of the war finland betrays germany and fights against her and actually IS supplied by the allies but that probally wont happen here

We are talking about year 1940, not year 1944, then Finland joined the Allies. But sure if this is how we play it then this is how we play it. Don't mind if i have T-34s before 1943. Also don't mind if i have PPSH before 1942.

The WWI battleships I don't mind, as any WWII battleship could plow a hole through a WWI version, especially a stockpiled out-of-date not-very-well-upgraded one. The Thompsons are a bit more iffy for me, I'd just use German Rifles if you really want to use simpler ww2 weapons.

right so i can have american guns and uk bombers right im not gonna buy or pruduce a buttload of german stuff for one rp :mp5:

Technically your nation's economy has nothing to do with Finland's economy for this RP. Finland is its own entity for the duration of this RP, whereas your nation will not be affected at all.

You can have the American and British Equipment on the condition that you explain why the Brits and Americans sold it to a nation that has been supporting Hitler and the German annexations and subsequent invasion of Poland.

The WWI battleships I don't mind, as any WWII battleship could plow a hole through a WWI version, especially a stockpiled out-of-date not-very-well-upgraded one. The Thompsons are a bit more iffy for me, I'd just use German Rifles if you really want to use simpler ww2 weapons.

fine ill wait til this resolves to the near end and than ill whip out the thompson ill just get sum mp-42s

Technically your nation's economy has nothing to do with Finland's economy for this RP. Finland is its own entity for the duration of this RP, whereas your nation will not be affected at all.

You can have the American and British Equipment on the condition that you explain why the Brits and Americans sold it to a nation that has been supporting Hitler and the German annexations and subsequent invasion of Poland.

fine fine no lancasters than, as far as the american stuff goes most of that stuff was post ww2 the thompsons could b bought in a hardware store or catalog so what if my government got the catalog abd ordered 40k worth..... but if i cant use the lancaster what was the german bomber again i totally forget

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OOC: Just for Kicks, Im going to post Belgium's Total Troops strength, as of 1940. I will use info for my later RP.

Total Belgian Troop Strength:

In total the Belgian army had 900000 soldiers, 170000 officers, 38000 horses and 1670 artillery pieces (without the trench mortars).

Belgian Organisation in WW2

Tank Company (1940)

CHQ: 3 AFV

3 Pltns: 3 AFV


Notes: AFV would be either all T-13 or three T-13 and nine T-15. One T-13 company was organic to each infantery and cavalery division, and one mixed company to each cavalery division.

Armored recce company (1940)

CHQ: 2 AGC-1

2 Pltns: 3 AGC-1


Notes: There was only one such company in the Belgian army

Rifle company (1940)

CHQ: 1 officer (pistol)
1 NCO
10 Riflemen

3 Pltns: PHQ: 1 officer
1 NCO
4 riflemen

4 Secs: 1 NCO with SMG
1 Browning automatic rifle
8 riflemen
Mort. Sec: 1 NCO
1 rifleman
3 50 mm mortars with 3 crew each


Notes: Approx. 1 in 6 companies had 1 UK supplied ATR with 2 crew
The Rifle Company might be directly supported by up to 1 MG platoon, 1 howitzer platoon, 1 AT platoon or rarely, the regimental scout platoon:
Battalion or regimental MG platoon

PHQ: 1 officer
1 NCO
2 riflemen

4 MG Secs: 1 NCO
8 crew
1 US M1917 .30 cal watercooled MG


Regimental howitzer platoon

PHQ: 1 officer
1 NCO
2 Crew

4 Howitzer Secs: 1 FRC 76 mm IG
1 transport (Lt truck or Vickers Utility Tractor)
1 NCO
1 driver
4 crew


Regimental AT platoon

PHQ: 1 officer
1 NCO

4 AT Secs: 1 FRC 47 mm ATG
1 Tractor
1 NCO
1 Driver
9 Crew


Regimental scout platoon

PHQ: 1 officer
1 NCO
3 Riflemen

2 bicycle secs: 1 NCO
1 LMG with 2 crew
8 Riflemen

1 motorised sec: 1 NCO
1 driver
1 LMG with 2 crew
8 Riflemen
1 Lt truck


Composition of the Belgian Army on the 10th of May 1940
I. Infantery divisions

1 ID : 3th, 4th and 24th Line regiment, 1st artillery regiment, 1st Engineer batallion
2 ID : 5th, 6st and 28th Line regiment, 2nd artillery regiment, 12th Engineer batallion
3 ID : 1st, 12th and 25th Line regiment, 3rd artillery regiment, 3rd Engineer batallion
4 ID : 7th, 11th and 15th Line regiment, 8 th artillery regiment, 4th Engineer batallion
5 ID : 1st, 2nd and 4th "jagers te voet" (don't know the exact translation), 11th artillery rgt., 5th Engineer btn.
6 ID : 9th Line, 1st Grenadiers, 1st Carabiniers, 6th artillery Rgt., 7th Engineer Btn.
7 ID : 18th Line, 2nd Grenadiers, 2nd Carabiniers, 12th artillery Rgt., 6th Engineer Btn.
8 ID : 13th, 19th and 21st Line, 5th Artillery Rgt., 10th Engineer Btn.
9 ID : 8th, 16th and 17th Line, 4th Artillery Rgt., 9th Engineer Btn.
10 ID : 3rd, 5th and 6th "jagers te voet", 10th artillery Rgt., 8th Engineer Btn.
11 ID : 14th, 20th and 29th Line, 9th Artillery Rgt., 11th Engineer Btn.
12 ID : 2nd, 22nd and 23rd Line, 7th Artillery Rgt., 2nd Engineer Btn.
13 ID : 32nd, 33rd and 34th Line, 21stArtillery Rgt., 14th Engineer Btn.
14 ID : 35th, 36th and 38th Line, 22nd Artillery Rgt., 13th Engineer Btn.
15 ID : 31st, 42nd and 43rd Line, 23rd Artillery Rgt., 16th Engineer Btn.
16 ID : 37th, 41st and 44th Line, 24th Artillery Rgt., 18th Engineer Btn.
17 ID : 7th, 8th and 9th "jagers te voet", 25th Artillery Rgt., 17th Engineer Btn.
18 ID : 39th Line, 3rd Grenadiers, 3rd Carabiniers, 26st Artillery Rgt., 15th Engineer Btn.

1st "Ardennes" Division : 1st, 2nd and 3rd "Ardeense jagers" (don't know the exact translation), 1/19th Engineer Btn.
2nd "Ardennes" Division : 4th, 5th and 6th "Ardeense jagers", 2/19th Engineer Btn.


II. Cavalery Divisions

1 CD : 1st Guides, 2nd and 3rd Lancers, 1st and 3rd Carabiniers-cyclists, 17th Artillery Rgt., 25th Engineer Btn.
2 CD : 1st and 2nd "jagers te paard" (don't know the exact translation), 1st Lancers, 2nd and 4th Carabiniers-cyclists, 18th Artillery Rgt., 26th Engineer Btn.

Motorised Cavalery Brigade : 2nd Guides, 4th Lancers


Infantry Battalion (374men)

BHQ : 1 Major, 2 Officers, 1 Clerk, 22 Riflemen
(Admin staff & Signals Section)

3 Rifle Companies: (4 Off, 213 Riflemen)

3 Rifle Platoons:
4 Double Sections:
Light Automatic Section (6 men)
5 Rifles, 1Light/Auto + Pistol
Rifle Section (8 men)
8 Rifles, 1 Grenade Launcher/Mortar
1 MG Platoon:
2 MMG

1 MG Company:(4 Off, 168 Riflemen)

CHQ
3 Platoons:
2 Sections(18 men)
2 MMG
1 Gun Platoon:
3 Guns


Notes:
Rifles are Fusil 1889
Light/Autos are Fusil-Mitrailleur 1930 (Basically a BAR)
Grenade Launcher/Mortars are Lance Grenades De 50mm DBT
MMGs are MG 221 or Milrailleuse & Hotchkiss
Guns are 75mm L24 Bofors M34 Mountain guns,
76mm L9 FRC Infantry Guns,
or rarely 81mm Brandt M1927 mortars.

From 1940 1 in 6 Battalions get 1 Boys AT rifle per platoon.
At regimental level:
A/T Company 6 47mm SA-FRC guns + Vickers Armstrong Utility tractors

900000......ummmmm i need to bolster my ransk byabout 700000 lol and than find way to organize them which ill probally do as we go along and as far as the english and american stuff goes becuae i dont really HAVE anything else ill use it but only in spareling numbers so please stop sending me TG about how i got it theres many ways to get that stuff........ie: by the cilivian model and than retrofit, it as far as planes go. and as far as guns go u can buy those ANYWERE :mp5

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bump....still need moe countries

Since Luxemborg is so small and insignificant, you might as well put it under the control of France or Belgium. Also, I suggest cutting off or combining some of the neutral nations.

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bump join already!!!!!!!!!

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Well, it doesn't really look like there's going to be any more people joiing any time soon, so how about we just start the whole thing?

If anyone else comes bobbing along later on we could always say that their country had decided to stay neutral up until this point in the war, couldn't we?

In any case; finding info on the Turkish army at the outbreak of WW2 is a bit more difficult than I had at first imagined. Oh well, it's not as though I'm pressed for time or anything...

On a final note - could neutral countries begin to post their actions now? seeing as how they weren't really a part of the whole war-circus to begin with?

I'm not talking about anything fancy, just the casual political manuver and the odd fortification effort here and there...

Hey all, I'm back. Hans - That is fine by me, I'm going to start the IC thread now methinks. I'm having trouble finding info on the Japanese Military as well; the Navy I have aced, but I can't figure out how many soldiers or ground-based aircraft they actually had...I think around 3-4 thousand aircraft, but as for soldiers...all I know is that they peaked at 6 million at some point during the war, probably in 1942, at the height of their Empire.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381191

There ya go.

Oh yes, and I realized that I forgot the Phillipines, so they have been added to the list.

I gave Luxembourg to Belgium, it needs it more than other nations do.

Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have been combined to give whoever takes them a little bit more of a fighting chance.

I also added Syria, since...well, why not? Might as well keep the list as big as possible so people see things they might like.

I would like to represent Syria if I could. Please let me know of any instructions that might help me out.

Thanks.

I can't really think of anything in particular to help you with...just do some research on the web to see Syria's role in WWII, or what it's capabilities were.

APPROVED.

Gracias,

Though being the last british fight on cavalry makes it interesting. It will be tough, hope you don't mind me taking them in a different dirrection.

God help me on the military stats. I found 30,000 vichy forces, but not much else. Gorilla war anyone? :)

Until

Gracias,

Though being the last british fight on cavalry makes it interesting. It will be tough, hope you don't mind me taking them in a different dirrection.

God help me on the military stats. I found 30,000 vichy forces, but not much else. Gorilla war anyone? :)

Until

At least you found some military stats. :P

After several days of failure, does anybody mind if I just declare that Japan has 2 million ground troops available at this time, to be distributed throughout Manchuria, Japan, and Japanese territories, relative to each one's importance?

After several days of failure, does anybody mind if I just declare that Japan has 2 million ground troops available at this time, to be distributed throughout Manchuria, Japan, and Japanese territories, relative to each one's importance?

Okay, I'm back.

2 million ground troops seems reasonable for an imperial type of government and with Japanese citizens willing to fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend their homeland.

If 2 million is too much, then perhaps 1.5 million? Just a thought.


I'll try to start RP'ing the politics of the USA in the next few days, as I try to find out more historical info and different senators, president candidates, etc.

I have a couple of ideas how to shift the USA into a different direction.

Idea 1: Roosevelt loses the 1940 elections because of a scandal. (Gonna be difficult to come up with a plausible scandal)

Idea 2: Roosevelt is assassinated by a secret organization that also plays a role in the RL super-mysterious Oslo Documents.

I'd like your opinion which idea would be better to RP with. :)

2 million seems reasonable to me considering that the IJA's peak was 6 million soldiers in the middle-late 1942. Those are the only stats I could find though.

Both ideas seem very plausible to me, it makes me wonder where you are going with this though...hmmm...

There is one concern that will probably effect a lot of the RP.

What day in 1940 (If indeed you wanted 1940 instead of 1939 before the Poland invasion)? The timeline is quite packed with things that happened, and much of Europe being taken out in only a matter of days really brings home the point.

Thanks for the claification.

The year is 1940, the date: May 10th. The Great War is well underway, Japan and China have already been at since June of 1937, and Hitler is threatening to control all of Europe with his invasion of Poland and mad annexations. The Blitzkrieg on Western Europe has begun, Belgium, France, Luxembourg and the Netherlands are all subject to invasion.

There ya go.

:: Smacks head.:: Right! Right in front of me... :: Sigh::

Thanks.

:: Smacks head.:: Right! Right in front of me... :: Sigh::

Thanks.

Hehe, no problem, everybody makes mistakes. :)

Irrelevant for me, but perhaps some people playing navy rich country's would find this list very useful.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/dido_class.htm

I've found some fact's and figures, but very few, and all 'estimated' or 'best guesses' for France. So any help in that matter would be appreciated.

Okay, I'm back.

2 million ground troops seems reasonable for an imperial type of government and with Japanese citizens willing to fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend their homeland.

If 2 million is too much, then perhaps 1.5 million? Just a thought.


I'll try to start RP'ing the politics of the USA in the next few days, as I try to find out more historical info and different senators, president candidates, etc.

I have a couple of ideas how to shift the USA into a different direction.

Idea 1: Roosevelt loses the 1940 elections because of a scandal. (Gonna be difficult to come up with a plausible scandal)

Idea 2: Roosevelt is assassinated by a secret organization that also plays a role in the RL super-mysterious Oslo Documents.

I'd like your opinion which idea would be better to RP with. :)


How about you have FDR die of Polio in 1940 (instead of 1945) and some Right-Wing Radical wins the election that year. Then you could go from there.

just got back from school i guess we still need more countires

Actually, we could probably start. All of the Axis nations are filled up, along with all of the significant Allied nations. Neutral nations aren't really that important, but the do add a little "spice" to the entire affair.

Therefore, I say we let people join for the rest of the night. Then tomorrow, we can start the RP. Otherwise, everyone is eventually going to lose interest and leave.

I've found some fact's and figures, but very few, and all 'estimated' or 'best guesses' for France. So any help in that matter would be appreciated.

Yeah I can imagine. Since France split after the conquering by Germany into the Vishy and Free France segments there were to faces to France until the allies managed to get a foot hold on the European continent. It's interesting that France Controlled Syria, I am getting quite a bit of stuff on France though i didn't expect to. Wonder why this wasn't coverd in my history classes?

You have my condolences if you wish to play both sides, but I am guessing that you are going to stick with Charles De Gaulle as your leader as opposed to Petain.
http://www.geocities.com/iturks/html/appointment_with_history.html

final numbers, im not postering all the specs but my milatary (im using mine with ww2 tech weapons) numbers 700k which closleys resembles the actual number of fin troops engaged during the war and considering im not a main country 700k is fine enuff

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Yeah I can imagine. Since France split after the conquering by Germany into the Vishy and Free France segments there were to faces to France until the allies managed to get a foot hold on the European continent. It's interesting that France Controlled Syria, I am getting quite a bit of stuff on France though i didn't expect to. Wonder why this wasn't coverd in my history classes?

You have my condolences if you wish to play both sides, but I am guessing that you are going to stick with Charles De Gaulle as your leader as opposed to Petain.
http://www.geocities.com/iturks/html/appointment_with_history.html

Aye, it'd be hard to play both sides. So instead I have to do my best to ensure there isn't a 2nd side to play eh? ;)
And where bouts you live?

Aye, and thanks for the site.

Aye, it'd be hard to play both sides. So instead I have to do my best to ensure there isn't a 2nd side to play eh? ;)
And where bouts you live?

Aye, and thanks for the site.

Heh, I keep finding stuff on France! Argh!!!!!

Well they have a military force of 400,000ish

60,000 in africa
100,000 in Vishy France
200,000 kIA's
18,000 in Britan (If I can read right)
And the rest were shiped to Germany for forced labor to aid the military machine. I forget the date but it's easy to locate if you look up the Vishy in Google.

All their navy is destroyed or captured by 1941. Most in Britan after the Vishy took over, there were a few in the Syrian

The Finland claim to 700,000 seems a bit too high in comparison, but that is my opinion. death statistics say that 80,000 died in action.

Japan should have 2,500,000 soldiers, though boats and such I didn't look into. But Japan should add a few more to their ranks. Supposedly 2,000,000 died in action.

I am going to go with 70,000 soldiers 100 tanks, 10 planes, 5 battle ships, and 10 destoryers. I see no data what so ever about soldier numbers so I think this would be a fair number. Though I think that Germany will be aiding me. ;)

Where do I live personally? I live in beautiful upstate NY.

Ah I asked because it might make a difference where you live. (For School History taught)
One of our textbooks showed who said what in their textbooks around the world after WW1. It was surprising to see how differently it was taught in all the different countries.

May 10th was the day the Invasion of Belgium and Netherlands and stuff started. I'm trying to find a total Military force, prior to the Germany invasion. All I've found so far is..... wait.. I think I might have it half a sec.

Ok this is all I have found.
First,
"against 94 French divisions" So 94 Divisions.
And a Division:
Division 3 or more Brigades or Regiments 10,000 to 15,000 Lt. Gen or Maj. Gen.

So.... Anywhere between 940,000 and 1, 410,000 Men.
This came from:
http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/units.html
and the first paragraph of:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/5/14/55627/2665

:confused: Can I use these numbers?

And wasn't Syria under French Control until a year after the war? :confused: Again. In which case, wouldn't you be an ally/Allies team member rather than an Neutral?

Heh, Thanks for the link. It really helps. Not having input on whether I am looking at the right info is tough. And I could use all the help I can get it seems.

Good luck on defending with those troops. I think historical opinion is against their value as fighting units. :P

If anyone sees anythign usefull on the oil trade in the middle east please let me know.

And wasn't Syria under French Control until a year after the war? :confused: Again. In which case, wouldn't you be an ally/Allies team member rather than an Neutral?

Yeah, I have no idea what to do really. If you stick to De Gaulle as the lead and let France fall then it's not an issue and the Vichy who run Syria will put me in a position of axis till someone takes over our nation. If that does happen...

If not and you retain control of France regardless of the destruction then I would have to choose between allegance and German forces.

I guess we will have to see. But there is a lot of critical oil resources here, I would hate to see them sit around with no one paying the proper export tarriffs. Palistine has a few Diamond mines too. It's affully tempting to claim the Holy Land as my own. Might be a civil war... ;)

All the numbers look fine, and you are right about the Syria thing...Syria is being thrown into the Allies list (like we need another one, Urg...)

okay we have ENUFF countries,sure u dont have the 5 neutral countires uv been trying to fill but mainwhile uve added like another 7-8 nations orgianlly not on the list lets start this

RevertRomance: It's been started for a day. Look on the bottomish area of the first post for the IC Thread.

RevertRomance: It's been started for a day. Look on the bottomish area of the first post for the IC Thread.

wait wtf dontuTG peopel and tell them its on or sumthing

what the hell is IC thread

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381191

There ya go.

I figured that anybody reading the thread would notice. :P

what the hell is IC thread

...IC, In Character, as opposed to Out Of Character...

Hey Tenarius,

The IC thread says Non combat. Is there a place that will have combat? Or was that to keep out people till you got things set up?

Wait i don't remeber Fins having battleships, especially american ones, and american guns. Remember, Finland is officially allied with Germany, that means that neither US, nor UK would supply it.

Finland recieved British equipment, eg, Hurricane fighters, up until 1940.


50,000 mg-42 (standard german machine guns simple to produce)


The MG-42 only came around in 1942, hence the designation.

Hey Tenarius,

The IC thread says Non combat. Is there a place that will have combat? Or was that to keep out people till you got things set up?

I stated at the beginning of the thread, but I'll make things clearer here:

If you are going to attack somebody, once the war on your front starts, I'm asking that people please create a thread for their part of the war.

Example: Germany is ready to attack France and Belgium, he could create the following thread: WWII - German West Front (Closed) or something like that. Everybody involved in that part of the war begins posting their combat there. If I decided to attack the U.S.A., I could start a WWII - US Pacific Front thread. It doesn't necessarily have to be named that, but something similar so people can pick it out of a crowd.

Erm, just one thing. Weren't the Phillipines American? They to it over from the spanish in the late 19th century or something.

Erm, just one thing. Weren't the Phillipines American? They to it over from the spanish in the late 19th century or something.

I just looked and you are correct, the Phillipines was U.S. controlled as late as 1948. I guess Sharina gets to play with them then, ah well, makes it easier for me to fight I suppose.

I stated at the beginning of the thread, but I'll make things clearer here:

If you are going to attack somebody, once the war on your front starts, I'm asking that people please create a thread for their part of the war.

Example: Germany is ready to attack France and Belgium, he could create the following thread: WWII - German West Front (Closed) or something like that. Everybody involved in that part of the war begins posting their combat there. If I decided to attack the U.S.A., I could start a WWII - US Pacific Front thread. It doesn't necessarily have to be named that, but something similar so people can pick it out of a crowd.

It should be posted in the Non-combat thread too, because I don't check the International Incidents forum itself all that often.

Erm, just one thing. Weren't the Phillipines American? They to it over from the spanish in the late 19th century or something.

They had a colonial government, but I think they also had their own armed forces. Not sure though.

It should be posted in the Non-combat thread too, because I don't check the International Incidents forum itself all that often.



They had a colonial government, but I think they also had their own armed forces. Not sure though.

I was going to keep a list so that people wouldn't need to check the I.I. thread that often to keep tabs on everything. The only problem I see is that people are going to be doing a lot of posting when war breaks out (with over a dozen players...), and I doubt anybody wants to sift through hundreds of posts to see which ones actually relate to their position and actions.

The Philippines had their own colonial government and I believe a small militia. Even so, it was rather pathetic, and I'm just going to place it under the U.S.'s control as I doubt anybody really wants to play them.

OK...By the way, we should probably get Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia as nations if we can, they all had pretty important roles.

OK...By the way, we should probably get Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia as nations if we can, they all had pretty important roles.

Wow, I'm stupid, haha. I'll add those to the list. I'm sorry, I've just been so busy trying to find some stupid info on the IJN, IJA and IJAF.

I'd like to take South Africa please

I'd like to take South Africa please

Sure, one moment while I change the lists.

All right, space is filling up. Only a few more and it all works.

what is the biggest nation i could be?

If you mean size-population wise, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Mexico and Mongolia are probably your best bet.

http://www.world-war-2.info/weapons/

Just going to need this for latter eh? God I'm so tired.

At the request of my friend Truitt, Mexico is being reserved for him.

Add Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria to Axis. They became allies of Germany in 1940.

I am having problems now with Mexico...I didn't know it would be this hard.

Someone help! *starts to wail at the wall while eating chocolate*

Help how? Like Military forces for Mexico?

Here you go Truitt:

Mexican Armed Forces 1940-41 (http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/mexico/army1940.html)

I would like to be Sweden, because I live here and I believe we did right to be neutral during the ww2! :sniper:

Ahh, thank you.

I thank you all for my struggle *starts to plan Britian and Canada's downfall*

hey, hey, can I be Ireland???

Add Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria to Axis. They became allies of Germany in 1940.

They became co-signers of the Tripartite Pact in November, and I think Bulgaria waited until March of 1941 to sign it, I already checked this out. The current date is in May, not Novemeber.

Sweden and Ireland: Alright, I'll add you to the list.

Mister F.: At least you have some damn numbers, I still can't find ANYTHING FOR JAPAN!!!

Bah! Anyways, I think we have far two many neutral nations. I suggest that you combine Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary into one huge area. Furthermore, take out Mongolia.

Anyways, heres all that I could find on the organization of the Japaneese Army:

Japan Troop Strength (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWjapanA.htm)

It doesn't really matter, it's just a list of nations that people can or cannot take, its not the absolute end-of-the-line what we have to have. I honestly don't see what the point in removing nations from the list would be. Mongolia has potential if somebody actually helped it form a military and bring it into the modern world, like the US did with Japan in the late 1800's.

I might have a friend who'd take over Spain. But he's another noob RPer :rolleyes: So we'll see. I'll get him to post here when he calls me back.

Noob RPers I can deal with, as long as everybody is willing to help educate them and they are willing to accept advice. :)

He's having problems. He logged in with his NS account, and now he can't post, or log out!

Did he verify his account via email?

For THe Forums? Or just for Nationstates? IE: He has a nation.

I mean for the forums. It took me a long while to get to post on the forums because I had to go back, change my email, then change it back to what it was supposed to be, then try to join the forums, then it finally sent me a verification email to verify my posting ability on the NationStates Forums.

Ah, Well We'll see if we can get him on tonight then :headbang:

During the 1940's America had not actively declared itself part of the war, and as such was a Neutral Country. It did not actually join the Allies in the War until Pearl Harbor occured in December of 1941, although it was in actuality still supplying Allied Countries with weapons, and in Britain, the Eagle Squadrons of the RAF were formed of American Volunteer Pilots.

I personally believe the United States should remain a Neutral Nation until it declare war, or until an Axis Nation declares war on it (such as an attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, if you decided to wait that long.)

Anyway, its up to you, Germany or the US.


I would have liked to be the us but I guess it is too late

I would have liked to be the us but I guess it is too late

Yeah, the U.S. is already taken. Sorry.

I want Spain! Hehehe

I want Spain! Hehehe

Alright...


Lots of people are taking nations, but a bunch are posting. If people don't start posting about this soon, I'll be forced to take them off the Nations list!

exactly what tarnaris said (think i may have mispelled it) people arnt posting and my only real enemy right now is the Russians im telling everyone right now that i will give them one more day, tomorrow at a undetermined time I WILL push into russia

(tell me if this goes against the RP i heard people talking about not the time for war well........i dont no when war broke out so im gonna start this off if its okay with everyone) and i hope my allies will back me up on this ;) )

One problem,
So far only Japan has shown up. And I'm not even sure if Russia has shown up yet. :headbang: It would be fighting a Finnish War against an non-existent enemy without any allies. :eek: :headbang:

lol, Ok nevermind, Russia's here eh? >.<

Can someone give me a link to the in character part? I kinda couldn't find it. :headbang: :headbang:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381191

El-Bumpo

I just check the non-combat thread and some else is being Germany. What just happened?

I just check the non-combat thread and some else is being Germany. What just happened?

I haven't seen anybody else being Germany. Perhaps you were thinking of Finland, who has been very odd recently...don't worry, you still have control of Germany.

I dont think anyone else is playing Germany.

Tenarius, if you want to play Japan you might find it difficult witjour a play er to be India.

Y'know, I hadn't thought of that. Kanabia, you want to control India if somebody doesn't take it?

It might be better if you found another player. The Indian Army in WWII was commanded by British officers, but a policy of "Indianisation" of the armed forces was well under way by the outbreak of hostilities. In addition, the Imperial Japanese Army fielded 2 INA (Indian National Army) divisions in Burma commanded by Indian nationalist Subrha Chandra Bose. When the Japanese tired of him in 1944 he went to Germany and commanded the "Tiger Legion", an SS unit composed of Indian POW volunteers. The IJA also fielded smaller units of Burmese, Chinese and Indonesian nationalist troops.

No offence to Kanabia intended!

Yeah there isn't any German players. Not yet anyways. :headbang: Or I missed them.

you can count me in

Tomzilla is Germany.

I put India under the list of players, just because it is simpler.

The Everon Islands: Who do you intend on playing if you join?

Y'know, I hadn't thought of that. Kanabia, you want to control India if somebody doesn't take it?

Well I agree it would probably be better if someone else took that role, I was originally under the impression that India was included as a colony so I was playing it anyway :)

Well I agree it would probably be better if someone else took that role, I was originally under the impression that India was included as a colony so I was playing it anyway :)

I was under that same impression well, but India is rather large and all.

If nobody steps up to join as India, we'll keep it under your command until somebody does. :)

:p France Steps in and takes all the other countries, declaring them as new Colonies. ;)

Common People, you know you want to join!

Alright, a friend of mine may come in, but he wants something big...so if China doesn't post soon, he's probably going to take that.

BUMP, more people should join!!! We need a Norway in particular!!!

A. Bump, B. If anyone could find either a Map, or the Number's of French Colonial Troops in Africa/Colonies I'd appreciate it a lot! After searching for a couple hours, the most I've come out with is a percentage from WW1. :headbang: Worst Case, I use that to determine approx. How many African troops I might have.

I WAS RIGHT...........o lnew that finland shared SOME border with sweden or denmark, or norway and if you look at the map it clearly shows tat finland shares a border with sweden AND norway

Yes...but not Denmark..Or Germany.... and Niether border is really in the west, or the south. :headbang: Which is what I think you used...

Whoa. I return to this WW II thread and there's crap-loads of new posts to read.

Could someone give me a summary of what has been going on here the past few days?

On this thread? A bunch of signup/what not, on the IC thread, a bunch of moving around, and Italy DoW, without Waiting for Germany..... oh, and Finland is going to invade the USSR, but is waiting for.. day or so until they're all back. :headbang:

Finland decided to invade the U.S.S.R. with 75,000 troops. (Haha)

England has declared war on Italy as a pre-emptive strike. France has joined in, and Commonwealth members will probably come in as well. Germany should be attacking any time...but I haven't seen any activity from Tomzilla IC-wise.

Japan has been amassing troops and has requested a surrender from China.

South Africa has sent 3 divisions (2 infantry 1 armoured) to British Somaliland in order to help protect it from Italian expansionism.

The U.S.S.R. is going to squash the Finnish like a bug. (Haha)