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Overview: Red Star Industries was commissioned by the Soviet Government to design a battle-cruiser for that nation in 2004. The ship was to have 16in guns, Soviet-made weapons and electronics, and the ability to make speeds in excess of 37 knots based upon nuclear propulsion.

Dimensions: Length 270m
Beam 37.2m (widest point)
Draught 9.1m (mean)
Complement: 1,622 (69 officers, 81 WA, 1,400 other ranks; 72 marines (2 officers, 70 OR)
Endurance: 300 days' steaming, 180 days' combat operations.


Armament

Gunnery (Primary armament): 9 DK-23 16in/54 rifled guns (3x3);
Max. range: 40 Km (conventional shell), 50 Km (rocket-assisted shell)
Best range: 26 Km (conventional shell), 28 Km (rocket-assisted shell)

Secondary armament: 8 AK-130M automatic water-cooled guns (4x2)

CIWS: 8 AK-60MR CIWS

Missiles: 64 SS-N-22 SSMs
80 SA-N-6 SAMs
48 SS-N-27 ASROCs

Aircraft: 2 Ka-27, 3 Shmel/Reys UAVs.

[b]Rounds carried: 630 16in, 480 5.1in (130mm), 120,000 30mm


Compartments

1: Accommodation, bow sonar some, backup signal processing, batteries, nemergency fuel.
2: Emergency fuel, batteries, accommodation, forward galleys, forward CIWS magazine.
3: A turret magazine.
4: B turret magazine.
5: ASROC cells and magazine.
6: Forward secondary armament magazine.
7: SSM cells, midships CIWS magazine, reactors 1-4.
8: After secondary armament magazine, SA-N-6 cells, reactors 5 and 6
9: Reactors 7 and 8, batteries, heat exchangers and turbines.
10: X turret magazine, turbine gearboxes.
11: Turboalternators, batteries and emergency fuel.
12: Aft accommodation, wardroom, after CIWS magazine, air munitions storage.
13: VDS spools and backup signal processing, lift platform and hangar.


Protection

Armour: 500mm composite and 100mm K-5 ERA (vertical), 300mm composite and 150mm steel (horizontal) over magazines; 250mm composite and 70mm ERA vertical armour, 200mm composite and 100mm steel horizontal armour over machinery spaces. All other areas receive 180mm composite vertical and 170mm composite horizontal armour.

All compartment walls 220mm titanium alloy and steel.

All VLS cells individually armoured with 50mm titanium alloy and 50mm thermosetting insulating foam. VLS hatches act as blow-out panels.

All areas supplied with pumps, batteries and small emergency generator.


Electronics

Radar: Garpun-Bal SSM guidance/targeting radar
MR-710 Fregat-MA 3d Air/Surface search radar, datalinked with Kite Screech and Oko radars
4 Palm Frond Nav radar
Volna SA-N-6 fire-control radar
Kite Screech AK-130 fire-control radar
EW: Wine Glass and Bell Shroud ESM Intercept receivers
Bell Squat Jammer systems
Burn Eye anti-LADAR smoke generators; armoured vents in sides of hull
16 PK-10 Chaff Decoy RLs
Sonar: Zvezda-IIM Sonar suite, MKG-345 bow-mounted LF sonar dome
Ox Tail-B LF VDS
Propulsion

Powerplant: Eight OK-1000 reactors, four propeller shafts, driving three azipod propulsion units. Max. speed 43 knots.
Emergency engines: 8 ALG-220 22,000 HP Deltic diesel engines.

nice, 10 knots too fast though



you should install a slider on that rope between the two towers, that would be sure to keep cabin fever to a minimum :D

nice, 10 knots too fast though



you should install a slider on that rope between the two towers, that would be sure to keep cabin fever to a minimum :D
Yeah I not the formost in Navy tech,I had DPUO do it for me and I thank him for it. As for the Slider I think not,We are Russians have drinking is our way of keeping ourselfs Sane!:)

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Phoenix: I beg to differ regarding the speed. Note please the relatively thin armour, relatively light armament, the provision of eight reactors, and the large space available for steam turbines and whatnot. This thing has roughly the same power as the carrier Enterprise, while having a displacement around 8,000 tonnes lighter.

Mhm. I reckon the speed is fine.

meh, thought the main engines were 8 ALG-220 22,000 HP Deltic diesel engines... misseed the nuclear reators : :headbang:

Yeah I not the formost in Navy tech,I had DPUO do it for me and I thank him for it. As for the Slider I think not,We are Russians have drinking is our way of keeping ourselfs Sane!:)

Nice ship, russian way is the best way.

kak dela?

Ya no on? (Sorry, my Russian is below appalling.) Ya dela dobriy (?).

Phoenix: I beg to differ regarding the speed. Note please the relatively thin armour, relatively light armament, the provision of eight reactors, and the large space available for steam turbines and whatnot. This thing has roughly the same power as the carrier Enterprise, while having a displacement around 8,000 tonnes lighter.
600mm = 23.62 inches = NOT thin

That's actually quite heavy for a vessel that I would expect to be in the 65-75,000 ton class. That much armor would actually be decent for a ship nearly twice this size, and yes, 43 knots is indeed about 10 knots too fast for the vessel if it has standard construction (ie, monohull).
Number of reactors is irrelevant (in fact, that many is counterproductive), and a 10% difference in displacement hardly accounts for a 30% difference in speed.


For other things that might use tweaking:
1) Way too many nuclear reactors. They take up a lot of space, and 2 of them is more than enough for the ship.
2) A bit light on the ammunition. Battleships usually have at least 100 rounds for each main gun, and Soviet 130mm guns usually have about 4-500 rounds each.
3) I'd shy away from ERA. For one thing, you need to have very strong explosive charges to launch such heavy slabs, and they will cause significant damage to the main hull armor (and even more to the deck armor - what comes up must come down), assuming you can overcome the basic problems. Additionally, ERA will not prove as effective against naval gunfire and antishipping missiles due to the angles involved. The closer to a right angle, the less effective it is. Also, ERA isn't as good against KE penetrators, so the combination of higher mass, lower speed, and better angle of impact will result in seriously degraded effectiveness of such a system.

tag has been broken because the image broke the page. Also, did you mean [i]Stalingrad class, and if so do you want the thread title fixed?

concur armour is more than sufficient, generally battleships had far less armour than that, usually a 16inch battleship would have a 16 to 18 inches of armour

speed is a trifle fast (around 80km hr) but I think the top speed of the nimitz class is 37 or 38knots and they are powered by two westinghouse reactors, the enterprise has 8 older engines, but that ship is nearly 40 years old, by comparison to the USS Reagan which is state of the art.

I reckon the this babe would weigh in about 60,000 to 70,000 tonnes with that amount of armour and still manage a reasonable rate of speed and devastating firepower.

estimated cost probably around $4 to $8 billion or 1/4 of the last Nimitz class given cheap russian labour.

Also I don't know russian SAMs well enough any more but you probably need a short range anti missile missile to back up your CIWS and a an over the horizon SAM.

love 16 inch guns though they are high maintenaince.

Weird...I thought I'd put much thinner armour than that. Oh well, c'est la vie. SU, I'll be doing some alteration of this beastie, will mail you the new specs shortly. Damned armour...anyway, yeah. Speed down, armour down, reactors down. I keep thinking in QNR terms these days. Also, CSMJ: guess in future I should run these things before the OMP eh? :p

GMC: Thanks, was wondering about that. And yes, should be the Stalingrad class.

Added: Right, how's this look to you sage gentlemen:


General information

Picture:
http://img99.exs.cx/img99/6333/stalingraddrawinglargemodc3mj.gif

Overview: Red Star Industries was commissioned by the Soviet Government to design a battle-cruiser for that nation in 2004. The ship was to have 16in guns, Soviet-made weapons and electronics, and the ability to make speeds in excess of 37 knots based upon nuclear propulsion.

Dimensions: Length 270m
Beam 37.2m (widest point)
Draught 9.1m (mean)
Displacement: 59,150 tonnes (standard), 69,600 tonnes (laden)
Complement: 1,622 (69 officers, 81 WA, 1,400 other ranks; 72 marines (2 officers, 70 OR)
Endurance: 300 days' steaming, 180 days' combat operations.


Armament

Gunnery (Primary armament): 9 DK-23 16in/54 rifled guns (3x3);
Max. range: 40 Km (conventional shell), 50 Km (rocket-assisted shell)
Best range: 26 Km (conventional shell), 28 Km (rocket-assisted shell)

Secondary armament: 8 AK-130M automatic water-cooled guns (4x2)

CIWS: 8 AK-630MR CIWS

Missiles: 64 SS-N-22 SSMs
80 SA-N-6 SAMs
48 SS-N-27 ASROCs

Aircraft: 2 Ka-27, 3 Shmel/Reys UAVs.

Rounds carried: 900 16in, 1,000 5.1in (130mm), 120,000 30mm


Compartments

1: Accommodation, bow sonar some, backup signal processing, batteries, nemergency fuel.
2: Emergency fuel, batteries, accommodation, forward galleys, forward CIWS magazine.
3: A turret magazine.
4: B turret magazine.
5: ASROC cells and magazine.
6: Forward secondary armament magazine.
7: SSM cells, midships CIWS magazine, reactors 1-4.
8: After secondary armament magazine, SA-N-6 cells, reactors 5 and 6
9: Reactors 7 and 8, batteries, heat exchangers and turbines.
10: X turret magazine, turbine gearboxes.
11: Turboalternators, batteries and emergency fuel.
12: Aft accommodation, wardroom, after CIWS magazine, air munitions storage.
13: VDS spools and backup signal processing, lift platform and hangar.


Protection

Armour: 300mm composite (vertical), 100mm composite and 150mm steel (horizontal) over magazines; 250mm composite vertical armour, 110mm composite and 100mm steel horizontal armour over machinery spaces. All other areas receive 150mm composite vertical and 100mm composite horizontal armour.

All compartment walls 220mm titanium alloy and steel sandwich.

All VLS cells individually armoured with 50mm titanium alloy and 50mm thermosetting insulating foam. VLS hatches act as blow-out panels.

All areas supplied with pumps, batteries and small emergency generator.


Electronics

Radar: Garpun-Bal SSM guidance/targeting radar
MR-710 Fregat-MA 3d Air/Surface search radar, datalinked with Kite Screech and Oko radars
4 Palm Frond Nav radar
Volna SA-N-6 fire-control radar
Kite Screech AK-130 fire-control radar
EW: Wine Glass and Bell Shroud ESM Intercept receivers
Bell Squat Jammer systems
Burn Eye anti-LADAR smoke generators; armoured vents in sides of hull
16 PK-10 Chaff Decoy RLs
Sonar: Zvezda-IIM Sonar suite, MKG-345 bow-mounted LF sonar dome
Ox Tail-B LF VDS


Propulsion

Powerplant: Three OK-1000 reactors, three propulsion shafts, driving three azipod propulsion units. Max. speed 38 knots.
Emergency engines: 6 ALG-220 22,000 HP Deltic diesel engines.

Right, this is the modified version. I can't really plonk too many hundreds of 5.1in shells in without having to account for it in compartmenting and whatnot, so I've kept it at 250 rounds per turret.

tag has been broken because the image broke the page. Also, did you mean [i]Stalingrad class, and if so do you want the thread title fixed?
Yeah that's a typo it should be Stalingard not Stalingrad! So yeah I would like the title fixed.