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Thread for RP. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379712) (This thread split by TJHairball for your convenience.)

[Tag. If Dumpsterdam doesn't IGNORE this like he told me he would any invasion that was connected to AMF, I'll jump in like I intended.]

{Ditto}

[Tag. If Dumpsterdam doesn't IGNORE this like he told me he would any invasion that was connected to AMF, I'll jump in like I intended.]

OoC: I said that I would ignore any dog-pile, getting jumped by 20+ or 10+ nations and getting overrun just by sheer numbers is not my idea of a good RP.

For the rest I don't ignore legal invasions and I hope that most people in this thread actualy want to roleplay then "win".

Oh and please keep this entire conflict MT, propper IC post coming soon as I get back from school.

OOC: *looks over glasses at Dumpsterdam* That wouldn't be role playing, that would be dogpiling. What fun is that?

OOC: *looks over glasses at Dumpsterdam* That wouldn't be role playing, that would be dogpiling. What fun is that?

OoC: Yes grandpa... ;)

ooc: Dumpsterdam, I share your sentiments. I have every intention of making this a good RP, and am eagerly awaiting your post. ;)

[Bump. Dumpsterdam, I hate to sound skeptical, but 4,000 ships? I hope you don't actually have that many and most of that space is used up by allied shipping. I have a rather large navy and it only has a little over 2,000 ships.]

[Bump. Dumpsterdam, I hate to sound skeptical, but 4,000 ships? I hope you don't actually have that many and most of that space is used up by allied shipping. I have a rather large navy and it only has a little over 2,000 ships.]

OoC: I have a rather large amount of ships yes, but we also believe that no ship will ever leave service unless its either sold or sunk.

So the DRN opperates anything from armed schoeners(mainly for training of crews) to the latest Praetonian built super carriers.

There are around 4000 combat ready vessles in the DRN and yes, most of Tallarn is usualy taken up by RWC and other allied nations who are still there. Most nations choose not to withdraw there ships and now they are flying the Dumpsterdanian flag.

*tagged...

[4,000 combat ships?! I hope half of those are decrepit old pieces of junk not worth the piers they're sitting in. Hell, I'm wondering about the non-combat ships such as supply and hospital ships. And we need an OOC thread.]

OOC: Yes, those fighters also have interstellar capabilities, so I'd say they're a tad on the FT side. 'Twas posted before the MT-ish was decided upon.
OOC Thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380238
Used up all my time there.

OOC: Ahh, some free time. Here we go...
And I'd advise you not to refer to me or Pres as "clowns", or the GDODAD as a "wank alliance". But, you'll see why soon enough.

Dump: I've been assuming that Gierling Station would be visible as a prime target from satellite imaging, will edit if otherwise.

OoC: IC attitude, OoC I respect you guys but IC if looks could kill you'd be dead 20 times over.

As for Gierling Station its pretty much visible from space and please, no dropships, I consider those FT.

((OOC: Dumpsterdam, for the love God change your sig. It offends me.))

OoC: But, but, but, but...why?

IC post coming later, school first.

[Why? A space shuttle is half dropships and they're 30 years old. It'd be one thing if they were powered by anti-matter induced fusion reactors with torch drives, but I'm sure they could be toned down in that case.]

[OOC: Hate to butt-in guys, but I felt a need to point out that apart from the fact the Spaceshuttle requires a two-mile or so landing strip, it's also ridiculously expensive. Despite how it may seem, the technology is still in it's earliest infancy (not to mention for the same price you could get several thousand landing craft; and they'd be a lot harder to hit). I think what Dump is getting at is that it's a distinctly FT method.]

As for Gierling Station its pretty much visible from space and please, no dropships, I consider those FT

ooc:And when exactly was it decided that there would be no FT in this thing? I've been RPing FT with this nation for over a year now, my entire defensive strategy is based on networking three different planets and producing the equipment to make the cooperation of these three entities possible, and now all of a sudden its no FT? You knew full well that my nation is FT, you knew full well that alot of the Brimstone nations are FT, and now you expect my soldiers to magically warp backwards in time for your benefit? What's your hangup? I don't tech wank, I roleplay. Anyhow, I'll wait for some kind of decission on this issue before I post IC.

ooc: You knew full well that I am a future tech nation. Now that you're feeling the heat, you suddenly decided that FT is no go. So basically, you found a conveniant ooc solution to an ic problem. How very honorable of you. This is far from over.

[Okay, there are a few things that are obvious to me.

1) Dumpsterdam, you had to have know what you were getting yourself into.
2) Presgrief made it clear from the beginning he was future tech and had no intentions of changing his tech level, by accepting him into the RP without caveats you accepted his tech level.
3) Presgried has also stated that he goes by the saying that "an AK will kill you just as dead as a laser rifle."

Now let's try to make a compromise. Dumpsterdam, I think that for the time being you need to realize that you make a slight boo-boo and you need to accept the consequences, if you think Presgrief isn't taking fair losses once this starts then just walk away. Presgrief, I believe you when you say you're prepared to take decent losses, but I think the dropships are perhaps a little much. If it were me, I wouldn't complain because I can think of some fairly decent ways to stop any such landing, but since Dumpsterdam seems incapable of such why not just convert them into wet navy troop transports?]

[Okay, there are a few things that are obvious to me.

1) Dumpsterdam, you had to have know what you were getting yourself into.
2) Presgrief made it clear from the beginning he was future tech and had no intentions of changing his tech level, by accepting him into the RP without caveats you accepted his tech level.
3) Presgried has also stated that he goes by the saying that "an AK will kill you just as dead as a laser rifle."

Now let's try to make a compromise. Dumpsterdam, I think that for the time being you need to realize that you make a slight boo-boo and you need to accept the consequences, if you think Presgrief isn't taking fair losses once this starts then just walk away. Presgrief, I believe you when you say you're prepared to take decent losses, but I think the dropships are perhaps a little much. If it were me, I wouldn't complain because I can think of some fairly decent ways to stop any such landing, but since Dumpsterdam seems incapable of such why not just convert them into wet navy troop transports?]

ooc: I agree with you in principal. The problem is that I don't have the naval assests on Earth to transport my current 700,000 man army to Dumpsterdam. As a future tech nation, I've put a much greater emphasis on a star fleet. He knows this, and has basically reduced me to a force of some 70,000 by a sudden ooc change of heart. ICly my army has been castrated by the sudden OOC decision. That's just rediculous. Anyhow, I don't see where the huge problem with dropships lies. My using dropships is just like parachuting my men in. Does he have no G2A systems? Also, if Dumpsterdam doesn't have the imagination to effectively rp against my tech, which really isn't all that glamorous, then I don't think he should have engaged himself in a war with serious RPers in the first place.

[Are your dropships that thin-skinned? Could anti-tank weapons take them out once they landed? If yes, you're right that their should be any problem.]

[Are your dropships that thin-skinned? Could anti-tank weapons take them out once they landed? If yes, you're right that their should be any problem.]

ooc: Well, it would take two or three direct hits, but yes. I especially dumb down my tech to make it compatibal with modern and post-modern nations.

[Then I think this particular problem is solved. Any further problems, Dumpsterdam?]

OoC: Like I said, I don't have any problems with you, you want this RP with me, not the other way around remember? Never did I state that I wanted an RP with you, or any other FT nations. I've been saying from the start that there will be NO FT here.

I'm even getting the advice to just ignore you and start off with this RP.

OoC: Like I said, I don't have any problems with you, you want this RP with me, not the other way around remember? Never did I state that I wanted an RP with you, or any other FT nations. I've been saying from the start that there will be NO FT here.

I'm even getting the advice to just ignore you and start off with this RP.

ooc: 1) I didn't want this RP with you, I'm simply fullfilling my obligations to my ally.
2) Entering into a war against Metus means entering into war against FT nations, of which you were well aware. It isn't very realistic that you go to war with a group of nations and then pick and chose your enemies.
3) I was informed that you agreed to allow future tech in this campaign. Apparently, you changed your mind, and came to a new arrangement without my participation. The fact that you failed to inform me of any amendment of the original agreement, or seek my participation in said amendment leads me to believe that you intentionaly created a situation which would cause a disagreement.
4) You need not inform me that you have much support from people of little or no consequence to myself who encourage you to be as arrogant and condesending as possible, as this is a certainty. That you chose to emphasize to me this fact shows only that you do not feel yourself secure in your position, and therefore feel the need to hide behind others and their opinions.
5) I did not want to waste my time on this in the first place, as your nation and your allies function on a level of the NS heirarchy much lower than that which I have become accustomed to, and indeed a part of. This war is AMF's little pet project, and I agreed to indulge him. Never did I think that I would actually have to face criticism from the likes of yourself and your friends. I have much more important matters to attend to than this silly little war of miniscule proportions, and I shall be glad to be rid of you and this so-called war RP.
6) If it sooths your ego, you may tell yourself that you are "ignoring" me. Know somewhere deep in your heart however that our engagement ended because I have come to the conclusion that you are arrogant, petty, manipulative, and in general, a waste of my precious time.

ooc: 1) I didn't want this RP with you, I'm simply fullfilling my obligations to my ally.
2) Entering into a war against Metus means entering into war against FT nations, of which you were well aware. It isn't very realistic that you go to war with a group of nations and then pick and chose your enemies.
3) I was informed that you agreed to allow future tech in this campaign. Apparently, you changed your mind, and came to a new arrangement without my participation. The fact that you failed to inform me of any amendment of the original agreement, or seek my participation in said amendment leads me to believe that you intentionaly created a situation which would cause a disagreement.
4) You need not inform me that you have much support from people of little or no consequence to myself who encourage you to be as arrogant and condesending as possible, as this is a certainty. That you chose to emphasize to me this fact shows only that you do not feel yourself secure in your position, and therefore feel the need to hide behind others and their opinions.
5) I did not want to waste my time on this in the first place, as your nation and your allies function on a level of the NS heirarchy much lower than that which I have become accustomed to, and indeed a part of. This war is AMF's little pet project, and I agreed to indulge him. Never did I think that I would actually have to face criticism from the likes of yourself and your friends. I have much more important matters to attend to than this silly little war of miniscule proportions, and I shall be glad to be rid of you and this so-called war RP.
6) If it sooths your ego, you may tell yourself that you are "ignoring" me. Know somewhere deep in your heart however that our engagement ended because I have come to the conclusion that you are arrogant, petty, manipulative, and in general, a waste of my precious time.


OOC: Basicly what your saying is that we should all have to rp with you (when it means that it will mean certainanialation as MT has no chance against FT) just because its you and that you havent been informed by someone of evry little update. Anyone with sense should have worked out that this would not be a future tech rp. In the first threads it was stated that this would not involve FT and yet you whine about not being able to rp when you are no saying "didn't want to play with you anyway". Whats your problem, you should be happy that you cant rp with him as it means you dont have to get involved in this war you dont want any part in

OOC: Basicly what your saying is that we should all have to rp with you

No, what I'm saying is that if you go to war with a future tech nation, expect to be at war with a future tech nation. Doesn't that make sense?

(when it means that it will mean certainanialation as MT has no chance against FT)

If you actually bothered to read through this thread you would see that I specified that I dumb down my tech so that it is on equal playing grounds with MT. Anyone with an imagination can defeat my armies, as I don't tech/number wank. I do this thing called roleplay, which apparently is beyond you.

just because its you and that you havent been informed by someone of evry little update.

Well, when there's only three players participating in a thread (as there was when this decision was reached) I don't think its much to ask to be included in such decisions.

Anyone with sense should have worked out that this would not be a future tech rp. In the first threads it was stated that this would not involve FT

Again, if you actually bothered to read what was written, you would see that FT was originaly to be allowed in this campaign.

and yet you whine about not being able to rp when you are no saying "didn't want to play with you anyway".

Firstly, I find it unfortunate that you must reduce yourself to insults in order to prove your point. Secondly, this sentence makes no sense.

Whats your problem, you should be happy that you cant rp with him as it means you dont have to get involved in this war you dont want any part in

I don't have a problem, I am quite pleased to be rid of this burden. You on the other hand quite obviously do have a problem, namely, you are spamming and hijacking someone elses thread with your own inconsequential and not very well articulated opinions.

1) I didn't want this RP with you, I'm simply fullfilling my obligations to my ally.

1) Then you must attack him at permisable tech level, not using FT stuff. If your stuck use borderline tech, I keep a MT presence for this reason. But you are the one attacking Dump, you have to go to his agreed tech level, he doesn't have to go to yours.

2) Entering into a war against Metus means entering into war against FT nations, of which you were well aware. It isn't very realistic that you go to war with a group of nations and then pick and chose your enemies.

2) See above. But your effectively saying if some MT alliance/nation declared war on lets say the RWC we would be able to sic our FTer's on them... plausable but not good play if you've got MTer's which I know Metus has, since it's a tad 'unfair' to send Heavy Battleships against nations whose best defence against them is going to anti-satellite lasers and missiles... if you see my point.

3) I was informed that you agreed to allow future tech in this campaign. Apparently, you changed your mind, and came to a new arrangement without my participation. The fact that you failed to inform me of any amendment of the original agreement, or seek my participation in said amendment leads me to believe that you intentionaly created a situation which would cause a disagreement.

3) As above. You should have asked Dump, as to what the level was in the campaign directly but Dump should have stated before that it was MT only. So it's a dual fault there...

4) You need not inform me that you have much support from people of little or no consequence to myself who encourage you to be as arrogant and condesending as possible, as this is a certainty. That you chose to emphasize to me this fact shows only that you do not feel yourself secure in your position, and therefore feel the need to hide behind others and their opinions.

4) So you and your allies don't help each other in arguements?

5) I did not want to waste my time on this in the first place, as your nation and your allies function on a level of the NS heirarchy much lower than that which I have become accustomed to, and indeed a part of. This war is AMF's little pet project, and I agreed to indulge him. Never did I think that I would actually have to face criticism from the likes of yourself and your friends. I have much more important matters to attend to than this silly little war of miniscule proportions, and I shall be glad to be rid of you and this so-called war RP.

5) Eh... *sigh* thats a damn close to a personal flame...

6) If it sooths your ego, you may tell yourself that you are "ignoring" me. Know somewhere deep in your heart however that our engagement ended because I have come to the conclusion that you are arrogant, petty, manipulative, and in general, a waste of my precious time.

6) Arrogant = Dump isn't (I know him well OOCly but I am and so are you as your 5 comment stated so well).
Petty = Who isn't on NS? see most major war threads people always argue over points of tech etc.
Manipulative = Nah Dump isn't... (Again however I am and proud of it :D)

Effectively your OOC flaming Presgrief... so I suggust you stop it play at an approx. MT level, because your are the offensive force not Dump if t'were the other way around the way you want it's fine... but it isn't :)

Note: Wasn't intended to be a flame, it got that way a little due to Presgreif's comments about an OOC friend.

Dumps first post in the RP thread includes this:
Keep this MT, I think a mach 7 fighter is FT
Think its quite clear on what tech level Dumpsterdam wants to play and since you're attacking his homeland, he's the one deciding what tech will be used (doesnt matter what his reasons are)

Or have we come to a points where invaders, warmongerers and attackers decide what tech level the victim has to accept?

Dumpsterdam through in with the belligerent in this war, he knew what he was getting into, or he should have at any rate. He certainly knew he'd be invaded in return for that and he had a chance to back out.

He never chose to fight with a FT nation, the FT nation decided to fight with him - in general NATO and Co did not start the war, however, in this particular instance NATO and Co decided on their own to invade Dump. - thereby, Dump choose the tech level.

Look guys, you don't like it,get the hell out.