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ooc: I'm sure that you are all by now familiar with AMF's quarrel with the Macabees, and the resulting Brimstone War. Dumpsterdam engaged in this struggle, knowing full well that some of the nations involved are strictly Future Tech, and that he would possibly have to deal with a FT war on his territory. Two future tech nations, myself and Silver Turtle, have recently began to make moves against him. In my first post in that thread, I specificaly roleplayed my star armada's jump into orbit. Again, no protest from Dumpsterdam. I was gone for a day, and the Island of Rose and others began to move in on Dumpsterdam as well. When I returned, all of a sudden Dumpsterdam was ignoring future tech. Basically, he felt the heat, and found himself a nice and convenient ooc solution to an ic problem. When I protested Dumpsterdam's sudden shift in policy, he kindly informed me that "he couldn't care less" and that "I wanted to RP with him, not he with I". I didn't want to RP with you, you engaged yourself in this war and I was merely fullfilling my IC duty to AMF. I find Dumpsterdam's behavior to be totaly honorless, and I appeal to all the serious RPers on this forum to join me in imposing a complete ignore on him. Such blatant manipulation shouldn't be tolerated amongst us. I await your input in this matter.

A link to the thread in question: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379712

Honorless, yes. Grounds for an ignore cannon, no.

Honorless, yes. Grounds for an ignore cannon, no.

Would you mind elaborating?

ooc: come on now, did you realy have to put this in II. FT can be ignored at any point in a modern war in my opinion. So he is right. Also mass ignores unless done because the person is an outright god moddler are completley NoObIsh. So I will be the first to say.
Have fun ignoring a person for no reason.

ooc: come on now, did you realy have to put this in II. FT can be ignored at any point in a modern war in my opinion. So he is right. Also mass ignores unless done because the person is an outright god moddler are completley NoObIsh. So I will be the first to say.
Have fun ignoring a person for no reason.

This is a fine example of a subjective opinion backed by no logic whatsoever.

ooc: simple question, where is your logic?

Would you mind elaborating?

1. He hasn't godmodded
2. He's modern tech, your FT, he has every right to stop RPing with you
3. Just because he doesn't want to be slaughtered doesn't mean he is a bad RPer, it means he is afraid of a gang of FT nations destroying him. If he isn't a bad RPer he shouldn't be ignored

You only ignore someone when it is impossible to coexist because either they are n00bs or something else. You don't HAVE to RP with him so there is no grounds for a mass ignoring.

Nowhere did Dumpsterdam state that FT was not allowed in an invasion of his. I'm sure Pres and Silver Turtle could have stepped down a tech, made a compromise or not invaded at all, but Dumpster let the Ft through until the moment when he began feeling the heat from FT.

I read what Dumpsterdam did, and yes, I believe that at least for the rest of that thread, you (and others if willing) simply go on without him. dDO not engage, do not have any sort of plotlines have to do with him.


"OoC: I coudn't care less, sorry. I have no quarrels with you in the first place but with AMF, who somehow decided to spend out this invasion to you guys.
I have been MT, and will always be MT, you want this RP with me, not the other way around."


Oh c'mon. People who RP like this are like school yard bullies who take the only football and leave because he is losing. Any thread that has people like this are doomed to failure. Move on, people.


Then again, why not get Dumpsterdam respond to these allegations? Maybe he has a reason.

ooc: simple question, where is your logic?

If you bothered actually reading my initial post you would see it.

If you bothered actually reading my initial post you would see it.

If you would read my post you would see your logic is no good.

2. He's modern tech, your FT, he has every right to stop RPing with you

Yes, but he knew full well that I was FT, and agreed to RP with me based on my tech level. He also informed us that he was going to bring in an FT ally of his own. Apparently, when this ally fell threw, he changed his mind.

3. Just because he doesn't want to be slaughtered doesn't mean he is a bad RPer, it means he is afraid of a gang of FT nations destroying him. If he isn't a bad RPer he shouldn't be ignored

I would say that finding ooc solutions to ic problems would qualify him as a bad rper.

You only ignore someone when it is impossible to coexist because either they are n00bs or something else. You don't HAVE to RP with him so there is no grounds for a mass ignoring.

This is a vague and not very well thought out statement. The grounds for a mass ignore is that Dumpsterdam uses ooc methods to gain an ic advantage.

Nowhere did Dumpsterdam state that FT was not allowed in an invasion of his. I'm sure Pres and Silver Turtle could have stepped down a tech, made a compromise or not invaded at all, but Dumpster let the Ft through until the moment when he began feeling the heat from FT.

Exactly.

I read what Dumpsterdam did, and yes, I believe that at least for the rest of that thread, you (and others if willing) simply go on without him. dDO not engage, do not have any sort of plotlines have to do with him.


"OoC: I coudn't care less, sorry. I have no quarrels with you in the first place but with AMF, who somehow decided to spend out this invasion to you guys.
I have been MT, and will always be MT, you want this RP with me, not the other way around."


Oh c'mon. People who RP like this are like school yard bullies who take the only football and leave because he is losing. Any thread that has people like this are doomed to failure. Move on, people.


Then again, why not get Dumpsterdam respond to these allegations? Maybe he has a reason.

Bravo.

Yes, but he knew full well that I was FT, and agreed to RP with me based on my tech level. He also informed us that he was going to bring in an FT ally of his own. Apparently, when this ally fell threw, he changed his mind.



I would say that finding ooc solutions to ic problems would qualify him as a bad rper.



This is a vague and not very well thought out statement. The grounds for a mass ignore is that Dumpsterdam uses ooc methods to gain an ic advantage.

Firstly, his ft ally fell thorugh so he backs out, understandable. Deciding to leave an RP by ignoring FT nations when he doesn't have the means to fight them isn't bad RPing. Its relizing the RP no longer would make any sense and he would loose the war no matter what.

Also, your response was vague and not thought out. Try giving me one other reason than him ignoring you and I will consider your ignore at least somewhat rational.

If he doesn't want to RP against you, pres, then he shouldn't go against AMF either. If you provoke a war(as macabee's did), the defended gets to pick who his allies are, not the aggresor. If Dumpsterdam doesn't like the name of the game, he can get out of the whole rp.

Yeah, when you're about to get attacked by AMF and all his cronies who hang on his balls all the time, you generally want to cut down on the opposition.

I mean, if AMF ever did anything by himself that would be a different story but it seems there are always a handful of mindless lapdogs who follow his every move.

[OOC: I have only two things to say.

1. This thread is both spammy and flamebait; also it has absolutely nothing to do with RP, and thus is in the wrong forum. It should therefore be deleted or moved.

2. If you RP with a FT nation in a militaristic fashion, and you're a MT nation, then the very action of roleplaying militarily with that FT nation is implicit permission to have a can of whoop-ass opened on you. If you then go and ignore FT to prevent said can of whoop-ass without first attempting to make things work, you are not a good roleplayer. You are an annoying git. ICA=ICC, people. In character actions equal in character consequences. If you have a character commit murder in a foreign country that has the death penalty, you can hardly whinge if that character is then caught, tried, convicted, and executed. The same goes for international-scale events. There's nothing wrong with RPing with people who are not inside your tech-bracket; but if you don't want to get fully involved (and thus be open to being invaded by a far superior force [potentially! technology does not guarantee victory, remember]), then stick to character-development-based roleplay only. It's THAT simple.

'Nuff said.]

I am not a cronie, I am an ally. OOC hatred equals bad.

And Pres, the ignore is a bit harsh. But you do have a point.

From what I can see TST, who I believe is FT, has agreed to cut back and theyve had no problem. You on the other hand just threw the idea of compromise out the window off hand. You didn't even try to negotitaite and talk to him. Instead of blatanly ignoring and bolstering your feelings why don't you go and talk things over to him like a civilised person. Im sure that like TST you guys could come to a compromise if you would actually try to insteadof having things your way 100%.

EDIT: Read TST's post in this thread. it shold be the first one.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380238

Read the OOC parts and the rules that TST put down for the rp.
Rule #1 states: As close to MT as possible.
And TST happens to be FT I do believe and YOUR ally in this war. He found a peacefull compromise why cant you?

OOC: I also agree with the people who are saying that a general IGNORE goes too far. This is one of those times when advance communication would prevent a LOT of problems that didn't need to come up in the first place.

Does Dumpsterdam have to RP with someone he doesn't want to RP with? No. None of us are ever forced to RP with people we don't want to RP with. That would run counter to the whole concept of free-form RP. By that same token, should Dumpsterdam have approached Presgrief about the tech differences? Most likely, yes.

I would recommend putting Dumpsterdam on a "gray list" or what has been called a "soft ignore," meaning that you just choose to stay clear of him without an outright ignore. If you happen to be in the same thread, you still interact, but you don't go seeking each other out. That "gray list" could be a list of RPers you are wary of RPing with and they'll have to prove themselves to you before you start playing with them.

I used the term "gray list" as an alternative to the term "black list" which has an obvious meaning. So far, I don't THINK Dumpsterdam has made a pattern of ignoring well-thought out attacks for his own selfish reasons, but if he does, it will have consequences.

If he doesn't want to RP against you, pres, then he shouldn't go against AMF either. If you provoke a war(as macabee's did), the defended gets to pick who his allies are, not the aggresor. If Dumpsterdam doesn't like the name of the game, he can get out of the whole rp.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Yeah, when you're about to get attacked by AMF and all his cronies who hang on his balls all the time, you generally want to cut down on the opposition.

I mean, if AMF ever did anything by himself that would be a different story but it seems there are always a handful of mindless lapdogs who follow his every move.

Flaming and insulting, how very rational of you. I can't believe that I'm expected to RP with someone like this. Overall, this seems to be the prevailing attitude amongst Macabees' allies. I seriously regret that I've had to be exposed to this primitive grammar school savagery. Let it be seen that I am a loyal and dutiful ally, even in situations where I have to suffer petty insults to fullfill my responsibilities to my allies.

1. This thread is both spammy and flamebait; also it has absolutely nothing to do with RP, and thus is in the wrong forum. It should therefore be deleted or moved.

This opinion of yours mystifies me. I don't even know how to respond to this, as I can't even begin to understand the train of thought which lead you to write this. It has nothing to do with RP? Have you even read the post?

I love how you guys get all pissed off about simple stuff. Quite funny.

OMGZ FLAMEBAITZ.

I love how you guys get all pissed off about simple stuff. Quite funny.

OMGZ FLAMEBAITZ.

I've noticed that you are incapable of presenting logical arguments, so you make your presence know through insults and flamings. Wow, that's impressive. Everyone give Zarbia a hand. :rolleyes:

My argument:

STOP COMPLAINING.

SUCK IT UP.

The simple thing is the very first rule stated in the OOC thread BY YOUR ALLY was to keep it as close to MT as possible. If you didn't know that thats your fault not his. TST is having any problems and he also happens to be FT. Dont twist the facts. It was set up beforehand that this was to be as close to MT as possible if you don't believe i prvided the link to the thread above.

Yeah, when you're about to get attacked by AMF and all his cronies who hang on his balls all the time, you generally want to cut down on the opposition.

I mean, if AMF ever did anything by himself that would be a different story but it seems there are always a handful of mindless lapdogs who follow his every move.


Alright, let me explain a few things to you sir.

Firstly, I asked for assistance because if I did this all by myself it would take months to RP out, as I like to focus on one front at a time (fluid time makes this possible).

Plus you have to realize that I do have a HECTIC personal life that incudes a family that is going through ALOT of shit (found out today my sister may have cancer. YAY!), a girlfriend, two busy jobs, my own medical problems, and many other things that would take me two hours to explain.

It's not that I can't take the whole freakin' lot of you on, it's that I'm not able due to real life circumstances. I would gladly take you all on 1 on 1 if I had eough time to dedicate to it, but I do not.

If you have a hard time understanding this, then perhaps you better be a little more considerate.

The simple thing is the very first rule stated in the OOC thread BY YOUR ALLY was to keep it as close to MT as possible. If you didn't know that thats your fault not his. TST is having any problems and he also happens to be FT. Dont twist the facts. It was set up beforehand that this was to be as close to MT as possible if you don't believe i prvided the link to the thread above.

No one came to any such agreement with me. What was agreed was that I would be able to use FT in my campaign against Dumpsterdam. That he chose to later disregard this agreement and come to some new arrangement without my participation is, at best, an attempt to discredit me.

My argument:

STOP COMPLAINING.

SUCK IT UP.

Sure, we'll see if you suck it up when my allies are finished with you and there's nothing left of your nation to RP.

No one came to any such agreement with me. What was agreed was that I would be able to use FT in my campaign against Dumpsterdam. That he chose to later disregard this agreement and come to some new arrangement without my participation is, at best, an attempt to discredit me.

The number 1 rule of the rp was keep it as close to MT as possible. That was posted by your ally and that meant for everyone. And I see no evidence of him making such an agreement with you allowing you to use FT.

Yes well, that's because this arrangement was made via telegram.

That seems a bit odd. Why would he agree to something like that when he was discussing the exact opposite with TST? WHy would he agree to something that totally 100% contradicted the main number 1 rule of the entire rp?

That seems a bit odd. Why would he agree to something like that when he was discussing the exact opposite with TST? WHy would he agree to something that totally 100% contradicted the main number 1 rule of the entire rp?

Are you suggesting that I'm lieing?

OOC: Effing hell, just drop it and continue the war with him in Modern Tech. Then kick his ass MT style. ;)

OOC: Effing hell, just drop it and continue the war with him in Modern Tech. Then kick his ass MT style. ;)

I would do. My problem isn't with RPing modern tech, its with the fact that he didn't even consult me, and was extremely arrogant when I asked him about it.

Pres, I made a post concerning this in the war thread, read it and see if you agree to it.

Pres, I made a post concerning this in the war thread, read it and see if you agree to it.

I've already replied to said post.

Sure, we'll see if you suck it up when my allies are finished with you and there's nothing left of your nation to RP.

Haha, ok buddy.

We'll see. Your allies aren't doing much destruction and whatnot like they promised. I really wanted to SLEEP IN THE FIRE and all that jazz but looks like that is not going to happen for a long time. ;)

Haha, ok buddy.

We'll see. Your allies aren't doing much destruction and whatnot like they promised. I really wanted to SLEEP IN THE FIRE and all that jazz but looks like that is not going to happen for a long time. ;)

http://oc.blogs.com/photos/funny_ha_ha/stfu.gif

ooc: I've beem monitering(sp) this thread, and well I have come to this conculsion.
Zarbia: Ok I can't think of anymore polite way to say this. Zarbia Shut Up.
Thank you and come again:)

Presgrief: Just give it up, on Zarbia and your's little flame war and the DP thing. Who cares it a silly little war.


Offical Rant of the Dracun Imperium

Didn't you just tell me to stop flaming?

I love the smell of hypocrisy. ;)

Didn't you just tell me to stop flaming?

I love the smell of hypocrisy. ;)

Yes well, if you consider any post against you as flaming, then I suppose I am. :rolleyes:

OOC:Normaly I would ignore you, but since you decided to call me a hyrpocrite maybe you should learn how to read there buddy. It's telling you to shut up, plus I decided you to be the first Recipient of this award

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Kacin_Carter/eb791501.jpg

Wear it proud you earned it
*Exits thread*

OOC:Normaly I would ignore you, but since you decided to call me a hyrpocrite maybe you should learn how to read there buddy. It's telling you to shut up, plus I decided you to be the first Recipient of this award

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Kacin_Carter/eb791501.jpg

Wear it proud you earned it
*Exits thread*

Wow, did you make it yourself? :D

Zarbia: Ok I can't think of anymore polite way to say this. Zarbia Shut Up.

OMFG JOO N00B!!!11! STP FLMING ALREDY!!!1! SHUT UP IS TEH INSULT

Ohwell... this thread is a waste. You know Presgreif, I like alot of the stuff you do at times but this thread isn't one of them (neither were a few other but I'll get to that). I would say that an OOC thread asking everyone to ignore a player is pretty below you. Yeah, it sounds like he pulled some stupid thing out on you and ultimately wasted your time, however threads like this are not roleplay which makes them pretty pointless on this forum and they are serious flame-bait as Zarbia has already proven.

1. This thread is both spammy and flamebait; also it has absolutely nothing to do with RP, and thus is in the wrong forum. It should therefore be deleted or moved.
By this he means that this entire thread is not an RP and is not serving to resolve an RP. The guy isn't a perfect example of a good roleplayer but I think he isn't deserving of this sort of thread... just a good solid ignore so you don't have to deal with him. There is more then one opponent here.

I agree with Ma-tek on this one.

OOC:Normaly I would ignore you, but since you decided to call me a hyrpocrite maybe you should learn how to read there buddy. It's telling you to shut up, plus I decided you to be the first Recipient of this award

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Kacin_Carter/eb791501.jpg

Wear it proud you earned it
*Exits thread*

I wasn't talking to you when I said hypocrite.

What the hell am I doing, this has gotten way out of hand...

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Tactical Grace
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